Canucks Draft 2008 Thread - 10th Overall

Hopefully we take whoever falls to us (Wilson, Boedker, Hodgson).

But this is the Canucks, and Delorme is still the head scout.

I heard this year is going to be deep with defenseman, why not draft a defenseman instead and trade one of our own (Edler, Bieksa, Krajieck) for immediate offensive help?

I heard this year is going to be deep with defenseman, why not draft a defenseman instead and trade one of our own (Edler, Bieksa, Krajieck) for immediate offensive help?

Sounds good to me.

Return should be good enough to justify trading Edler tho.. I mean real good.

Bieksa and Krajicek is free trade bait IMO.

I heard this year is going to be deep with defenseman, why not draft a defenseman instead and trade one of our own (Edler, Bieksa, Krajieck) for immediate offensive help?

I'd be perfectly happy if we drafted Myers with the 10th overall pick.

I wouldn't be suprised if he's drafted before we get to pick but even if that happens we'll likely get one of Boedker, Wilson, or Hodgson.

Don't know if this is posted elsewhere but here are some of the latest rankings

Sbisa is sure shooting up the rankings. So another d-man to consider

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=11183&hubname=

In an effort to make the playoffs *now*, our new GM will trade the #10 pick to Toronto (and new TO GM Dave Nonis) for Jason Blake.

Don't know if this is posted elsewhere but here are some of the latest rankings

Sbisa is sure shooting up the rankings. So another d-man to consider

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=11183&hubname=

Wow I've never actually seen the ISS logo before. That's really cute they did one of those contests among 5 year olds to create the logo.

I heard this year is going to be deep with defenseman, why not draft a defenseman instead and trade one of our own (Edler, Bieksa, Krajieck) for immediate offensive help?
Drafted defenseman likely won't be ready for at least a year or two at the earliest though. I'd still take the "best player available" because of this.

I'd be amazed if all 4 Myers, Wilson, Hodgson and Boedker were all available at # 10

I'd be amazed if all 4 Myers, Wilson, Hodgson and Boedker were all available at # 10

Obviously not.

At least one of them should be.

I know its not preferable to draft for the Sedin's winger but this Russian player sounds like the perfect fit who is eligible for the 2008 draft:

Keeping the Euro theme going, Prospect Pulse takes a look at Kirill Petrov. Petrov, a winger from AK Bars Kazan who can play either side, is the Russkie who has the scouts all aflutter. Described as a dominant and exciting player, Petrov is a physically mature player who can do it all.

Expected to be at least a Top 10 pick and possibly a Top 5 despite the lack of a transfer agreement, Petrov could be best described as a power forward with outstanding touch. He excels on the cycle and is supposed to be nearly impossible to knock off the puck. Requires very little room to make a play, he is dangerous from the blue line in every time he steps on the ice. The winger can keep the puck for as long as he wants it, Georges Laraque style, but can either score himself or make plays when need be.

In addition to his puck skills, Petrov is a powerful skater who can back opposing defenders into the zone with ease. Once he has gained the blue line, the other team is forced to give him an inordinate amount of attention or he will burn them. He has quickness to go with his straight ahead speed and can find openings almost anywhere, and doesn't need much time or space to get off his hard and accurate shot. Has soft hands and is adept at touch passes.

The only negatives that I can find written about him is that he doesn't like to share the puck and his defensive game is described as "willing to make a fair effort in his own zone" (Red Line Report).

Colin Wilson is the ugy im really hoping for, sounds like exatly my kind of player. I dont know about Boedkker...he sounds like a glorified Grabner.

Would anyone be upset if the Canucks took Tedenby? I could see him moving up into the top 10.

Would anyone be upset if the Canucks took Tedenby? I could see him moving up into the top 10.

Rather take Petrov if we are going off the board a bit with the #10. If Tedenby was taller than 5'8 or had a history in his family of a late growth spurt then I'd be more inclined to take him.

Why in the world would we want to draft Petrov? He is a clone of Michael Grabner, and absolute clone. Not to mention he's russian. When was the last time we successfully brought a russian over? Kirill Koltsov in 03, for what half a year?

I'm looking at Colborne, Wilson, Myers. I would LOVE to move up and grab Bogosian.

Don't be surprised to see us trade our pick to Ottawa, I could see both teams looking to make a splash, especially since the draft is in Ottawa.

Why in the world would we want to draft Petrov? He is a clone of Michael Grabner, and absolute clone. Not to mention he's russian. When was the last time we successfully brought a russian over? Kirill Koltsov in 03, for what half a year?

I'm looking at Colborne, Wilson, Myers. I would LOVE to move up and grab Bogosian.

Don't be surprised to see us trade our pick to Ottawa, I could see both teams looking to make a splash, especially since the draft is in Ottawa.

Where did I state that Petrov was my first choice? I was just saying that I'd take Petrov ahead of Tedenby. FYI Petrov is 6'3 200+ lbs RW, and plays a power forward style so how you think he is a Grabner clone is beyond me. He's not my first choice at #10 but he's not a bad pick either seeing as 6'3 power forward with hands and that can skate don't exactly grow on trees.

It is very possible that Petrov could be available in the second round unless some GM goes off the board and takes him in the first round.

Also, Petrov has been on par with Nikita Filatov in the U-18 tournament and could turn out to be a sleeper.

Draft anyone who can score.

I;d love to get Wilson. If Wilson, Boedker, Myers and Hodgson are all gone, I'd take a close look at drafting Beach.

Draft anyone who can score.

with insight like that, have you submitted your application for the vacant GM position?

:D

After the disastrous Toejam (of Toejam n Earl fame) experiment, I'd like to see them go back to bipedal homos. :sarcasm:

The draft won't help our needs for the coming year... drafting for offensive potential doesn't make sense right now. Yes, we do need scorers, but outside of 1 player, will any make a huge impact on their new team this year? It makes more sense, like others have suggested, to draft a defenseman since it is a relatively deep draft in that position, and trade one of our younger somewhat proven defensemen for a young forward who has at least translated some talent into success at the NHL level.

More indication that Petrov must be a consideration

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2008-04-14-red-line_N.htm

Would anyone be upset if the Canucks took Tedenby? I could see him moving up into the top 10.

If they passed up Wilson/Hodgson/Bodker for him I would be pretty pissed. Tedenby definitely has a lot of skill from what I've read, but his size is definitely concerning. I wouldn't take him over the three previous players or Kyle Beach.

Why in the world would we want to draft Petrov? He is a clone of Michael Grabner, and absolute clone. Not to mention he's russian. When was the last time we successfully brought a russian over? Kirill Koltsov in 03, for what half a year?

Did you not read what Untouchable posted?

Keeping the Euro theme going, Prospect Pulse takes a look at Kirill Petrov. Petrov, a winger from AK Bars Kazan who can play either side, is the Russkie who has the scouts all aflutter. Described as a dominant and exciting player, Petrov is a physically mature player who can do it all.

Expected to be at least a Top 10 pick and possibly a Top 5 despite the lack of a transfer agreement, Petrov could be best described as a power forward with outstanding touch. He excels on the cycle and is supposed to be nearly impossible to knock off the puck. Requires very little room to make a play, he is dangerous from the blue line in every time he steps on the ice. The winger can keep the puck for as long as he wants it, Georges Laraque style, but can either score himself or make plays when need be.

In addition to his puck skills, Petrov is a powerful skater who can back opposing defenders into the zone with ease. Once he has gained the blue line, the other team is forced to give him an inordinate amount of attention or he will burn them. He has quickness to go with his straight ahead speed and can find openings almost anywhere, and doesn't need much time or space to get off his hard and accurate shot. Has soft hands and is adept at touch passes.

The only negatives that I can find written about him is that he doesn't like to share the puck and his defensive game is described as "willing to make a fair effort in his own zone" (Red Line Report).

How is he anything like Grabner? It's like comparing Todd Bertuzzi and Pavel Bure.

I;d love to get Wilson. If Wilson, Boedker, Myers and Hodgson are all gone, I'd take a close look at drafting Beach.

If those four are gone, that means one of the big four dman or Filatov hasn't been taken yet.

Wow, Petrov is big. 6'3 220lbs at 17 years old means that he'll only get bigger. How is his skating?

If he's that good, take a flyer on him and throw the rookie max to bring him over.

Wow, Petrov is big. 6'3 220lbs at 17 years old means that he'll only get bigger. How is his skating?

If he's that good, take a flyer on him and throw the rookie max to bring him over.



Can play either wing (ie RW)
Likes to cycle
Strong on the puck
Likes to shoot
Finds open space
Big body

Sounds exactly like the perfect Sedinmate.

Petrov sounds like an interesting pick but I rather they see if they could snag him in the 2nd round. Because unless he's made similar statements to Filatov's about wanting to come to North American immediatly it's just too much of a risk at 10th Overall.

Also I would want to find out whether he's the sort of player that gets involved in the physical game...

Here's a list of past 10th overall picks:

2007 - Keaton Ellerby
2006 - Michael Frolik
2005 - Luc Bourdon
2004 - Boris Valabik
2003 - Andrei Kostitsyn
2002 - Eric Nystrom
2001 - Dan Blackburn
2000 - Mikhail Yakubov
1999 - Branislav Mezei
1998 - Nikolai Antropov
1997 - Brad Ference
1996 - Lance Ward
1995 - Radek Dvorak
1994 - Nolan Baumgartner
1993 - Jocelyn Thibeault
1992 - Andrei Nazarov
1991 - Martin Lapointe
1990 - Drake Berehowski

Wow..what a lacklustre amount of picks. Perhaps the actual draft pick itself is a more valuable trade asset than the potential draft pickup (based solely on history).

To be fair, the last few years at the number 10 position have been solid for the most part (Kostitsyn onwards).

Dan Blackburn is also a great goalie until his injury

1993 - Dennis Pederson
1994 - Mattias Ohlund
1995 - Jean-Sebastien Giguere
1996 - Derek Morris
1997 - Daniel Cleary
1998 - Michael Henrich
1999 - Jani Rita
2000 - Ron Hainsey
2001 - Ales Hemsky
2002 - Alexander Semin
2003 - Dustin Brown
2004 - Drew Stafford
2005 - Marek Zagrapan
2006 - Jiri Tlusty
2007 - Lars Eller

They should trade the 10th pick and their 4th rounder for the 13th overall pick! They'll get a way better player!!

1993 - Dennis Pederson
1994 - Mattias Ohlund
1995 - Jean-Sebastien Giguere
1996 - Derek Morris
1997 - Daniel Cleary
1998 - Michael Henrich
1999 - Jani Rita
2000 - Ron Hainsey
2001 - Ales Hemsky
2002 - Alexander Semin
2003 - Dustin Brown
2004 - Drew Stafford
2005 - Marek Zagrapan
2006 - Jiri Tlusty
2007 - Lars Eller

They should trade the 10th pick and their 4th rounder for the 13th overall pick! They'll get a way better player!!

Why would we give more to downgrade our pick?

1993 - Dennis Pederson
1994 - Mattias Ohlund
1995 - Jean-Sebastien Giguere
1996 - Derek Morris
1997 - Daniel Cleary
1998 - Michael Henrich
1999 - Jani Rita
2000 - Ron Hainsey
2001 - Ales Hemsky
2002 - Alexander Semin
2003 - Dustin Brown
2004 - Drew Stafford
2005 - Marek Zagrapan
2006 - Jiri Tlusty
2007 - Lars Eller

They should trade the 10th pick and their 4th rounder for the 13th overall pick! They'll get a way better player!!

Oh the sarcasn!:sarcasm:

Why would we give more to downgrade our pick?

Because history says it's a way better deal! No team would give an even trade giving up the 13th pick for the 10th pick. They'd be getting hosed!

Because history says it's a way better deal! No team would give an even trade giving up the 13th pick for the 10th pick. They'd be getting hosed!

Okay Flinch Jr.

Okay Flinch Jr.

I don't see your problem with that trade, based on your suggestion that teams should look at the value of their draft pick based on the history of players picked at that spot, rather than the actual players that will likely be available to them in the upcoming draft.

If, like you said, the Canucks should consider moving the 10th pick because a bunch of lackluster players have been picked at that spot, then they shouldn't have a problem giving up extra value to move down to a spot that has historically produced better players. Given what you posted, what is wrong with that logic?

Why would we give more to downgrade our pick?

how did you not catch the sarcasm and why are you debating this with him?

MS i'll post the same question to you, but :handclap: on the sarcasm.

I am now sold on Kirill Petrov, he may have the same skill set as Filatov in a much bigger frame.

1st round: One of the big ten(Boedker, Hodgson, Wilson, Meyers)
2nd round: Kirill Petrov

Why would we give more to downgrade our pick?

Amazing. Just.... amazing...

Wow, Petrov is big. 6'3 220lbs at 17 years old means that he'll only get bigger. How is his skating?

If he's that good, take a flyer on him and throw the rookie max to bring him over.
Another Russians that might never come to north america? no, thanks

Another Russians that might never come to north america? no, thanks

Agreed but that's why they would really need to interview Petrov to find out where his heads at.

I truly believe that this draft pick has more trade value than it does draft value. We could package it with someone like Schneider and get a young player about to his his prime (hello Jeff Carter?)

1993 - Dennis Pederson
1994 - Mattias Ohlund
1995 - Jean-Sebastien Giguere
1996 - Derek Morris
1997 - Daniel Cleary
1998 - Michael Henrich
1999 - Jani Rita
2000 - Ron Hainsey
2001 - Ales Hemsky
2002 - Alexander Semin
2003 - Dustin Brown
2004 - Drew Stafford
2005 - Marek Zagrapan
2006 - Jiri Tlusty
2007 - Lars Eller

They should trade the 10th pick and their 4th rounder for the 13th overall pick! They'll get a way better player!!

:laugh:


This is Post of the Year so far. Well done.

(Bonus Points for confusing Pauser)

:laugh:


This is Post of the Year so far. Well done.

(Bonus Points for confusing Pauser)

I thought those were the only points awarded in this game?

I thought those were the only points awarded in this game?
They're kind of like second assists on empty net goals.

Zack Boychuk has 11 goals in 12 playoff games. He's doing it when it counts. I hope his size doesn't prevent him from being seriously considered by Canuck management this coming draft.

I'm beginning to think we need more Canadian leaders among our core players, especially come playoff time.

Zack Boychuk has 11 goals in 12 playoff games. He's doing it when it counts. I hope his size doesn't prevent him from being seriously considered by Canuck management this coming draft.

I'm beginning to think we need more Canadian leaders among our core players, especially come playoff time.

his height might be a problem, at 5'9, but I wouldnt mind taking him or Hodgson. We need Canadian muscle. As we all know, Delorome likes big skating guys over shorter players even if they are effective.

I love how the reply to Pauser's stupid post confused him...nice stuff.

Zack Boychuk has 11 goals in 12 playoff games. He's doing it when it counts. I hope his size doesn't prevent him from being seriously considered by Canuck management this coming draft.

I'm beginning to think we need more Canadian leaders among our core players, especially come playoff time.


Pretty impressive considering he's playing in the WHL. His points dipped quite a bit from his 91 points in 2006/2007, but his upside is quite high if he can avoid the height issues.

Agreed but that's why they would really need to interview Petrov to find out where his heads at.
I wonder if Tambellini is doing that while in Russia?

Along with trying to get Shirokov and Kablukov to come over as well.

Hodgson is ranked 9th and has been lights out at the U19s

I hope we get him!

just wondering...but would the canucks trade the 10th pick to the devils for gionta + their first round pick.


just wondering please dont flame ;)

just wondering...but would the canucks trade the 10th pick to the devils for gionta + their first round pick.


just wondering please dont flame ;)

No chance.

just wondering...but would the canucks trade the 10th pick to the devils for gionta + their first round pick.


just wondering please dont flame ;)

maybe but not for gionta

what position are you drafting at?

just wondering...but would the canucks trade the 10th pick to the devils for gionta + their first round pick.


just wondering please dont flame ;)

Devils draft 24th, right?

I'd do that trade.

just wondering...but would the canucks trade the 10th pick to the devils for gionta + their first round pick.


I wouldn't touch it.

I've good things about Nazem Kadri and his stats during this years playoffs with Kitchener are pretty impressive (although that team is stacked). If he slips past the 2nd round the Canucks should consider picking him.
http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/stats/player.php?id=4566

Zack Boychuk has 11 goals in 12 playoff games. He's doing it when it counts. I hope his size doesn't prevent him from being seriously considered by Canuck management this coming draft.

I'm beginning to think we need more Canadian leaders among our core players, especially come playoff time.

His performance in the WHL playoffs is pretty damn impressive. Given how NHL like the style of WHL is it definatly gives some hope that he's going to be able to handle the rough play once he bulks up.

I've good things about Nazem Kadri and his stats during this years playoffs with Kitchener are pretty impressive (although that team is stacked). If he slips past the 2nd round the Canucks should consider picking him.
http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/stats/player.php?id=4566


He's not eligible this year, he's 2009 draft eligible - born in October 1990.

Hodgson is ranked 9th and has been lights out at the U19s

I hope we get him!

same here, plus he poses leadership qualities as he is wearing the C for Canada.

Go Canada go!

He's not eligible this year, he's 2009 draft eligible - born in October 1990.

I'm suprised. He must be a sure fire 1st rounder next year as long as he keeps developing.

I watched the final 5 minutes of the 2nd and 3rd period of Sweden vs. Canada U18. I was mostly keeping an eye on Mattias Tedenby based on what I read in the prospects forum (that he's one of, if not the best skater(s) in the draft and that he could be steal). Here are my (limited) notes:

(#21) Mattias Tedenby :
Size: Listed at 5'9, personally I thought he looked quite a bit shorter than Ryan Shannon but that might have just been the size of the international rink and what looked like higher boards. Didn't look like a genetically skinny Raymond type and seems like he could add bulk.
Skating: His skating is so fluid that he looks like a figure skater. Great agility/ability with backwards, forwards, and lateral skating. Pretty good balance/centre of gravity but definatly needs more strength/bulk.
Defense: He will go in to try to dig pucks out but I noticed he most often just skates by a swipes his stick like a whip to try and retrieve pucks. His coach didn't seem to trust him (or at least his line) defensively as he was held off the ice for portions of the third even when they were down by a goal.
Passing: I was impressed. Very accurate passer with good vision as far as I could tell in my limited viewing.
Shooting: Didn't really see him shoot that much but aparantly he's got a good shot.
Skill: Only saw brief flashes of stickhandling but looked like he had very soft hands.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=6013&lang=en

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Prospect forum post on Tedenby by SEL watchers : http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=466622


Mattias Tedenby - 5'9 161 lbs
Strengths - This kid is all about speed. He has absolutely blazing speed and is able to pull moves off at top speed. He's a lot of fun to watch as he scores a lot of highlight reel goals. He's very creative with the puck and doesn't mind getting his nose dirty to create a scoring chance. Uses his low center of gravity to protect the puck well.
Weaknesses - Some call him selfish and say he needs to learn how to use his linemates better. The kid has quite a bit of self-confidence and always wants the puck on his stick because he knows he can get the job done. Which is great but at the pro level he will need to learn to use his linemates better.
Career Potential - 2nd line offensive dynamo
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=463335&page=2

I still want Zach Boychuk; however, I'm liking Cody Hodgson since I saw him in the U18's....neither would be a bad pick.

I doubt either will be available, but Colin Wilson and Mikkel Boedeker are the two I like the most.

Hodgson is ranked 9th and has been lights out at the U19s

I hope we get him!

Toronto doesn't pass on him! :)

I like Beach or Wilson(if available) for the Canucks

Okay Flinch Jr.

Remember: it's not paranoia when everyone is out to get you.

Colin Wilson is the ugy im really hoping for, sounds like exatly my kind of player. I dont know about Boedkker...he sounds like a glorified Grabner.

I've been able to catch a couple games of Boedker and I'm in lurve with him.

Defensively solid, plays in the O and can skoar skoar skoar. :handclap:

Depending on who is still available, I wouldn't be upset if we picked him up.

where can you watch the U19 games? which channel?

I've been able to catch a couple games of Boedker and I'm in lurve with him.

Defensively solid, plays in the O and can skoar skoar skoar. :handclap:

Depending on who is still available, I wouldn't be upset if we picked him up.

ur the 2nd guy who said they've seen him play and likes the way he plays.

I hope we pick him up. We need anotehr fast guy.

where can you watch the U19 games? which channel?

They were on TSN but I think you're too late. Maybe they'll replay the gold medal game (Canada vs. Russia) again sometime tonight but I havn't seen any commercials for it (if it's on it will probably be 1-3am).

They were on TSN but I think you're too late. Maybe they'll replay the gold medal game (Canada vs. Russia) again sometime tonight but I havn't seen any commercials for it (if it's on it will probably be 1-3am).
Thanks, then i cant watch it anyways since i dont have tsn.

The Canucks have only drafted four OHL players in the last nine years and zero in the last four. Do you think this trend will continue?

Agreed but that's why they would really need to interview Petrov to find out where his heads at.

IMO, to spend another pick at players who might not come over to NA is an unnecessary risk unless you are talking about elite talents like Malkin. Shirokov said he will come over in an interview too, but so far he hasnt done that. Koltsov said he will come over, but he hasnt been doing that either.

IMO, to spend another pick at players who might not come over to NA is an unnecessary risk unless you are talking about elite talents like Malkin. Shirokov said he will come over in an interview too, but so far he hasnt done that. Koltsov said he will come over, but he hasnt been doing that either.

Exactly, that's why they would need to see how ambitious he was to challenge himself best league there is. If they didn't like what they heard during their interviews then obviously they shouldn't draft him.

As for Koltsov, if it wasn't for the lockout he probably would have stayed in North America to wait for his chance to be called up (and aparantly his game was improving by the time he left).

The Canucks have only drafted four OHL players in the last nine years and zero in the last four. Do you think this trend will continue?

Ray Payne the new scout has been stationed there, I dont see the trend continuing, especially if Hodgson some how drops to us.

It's 12:30AM PST, TSN is replaying the Gold Medal game (Russia vs. Canada) incase anyone is interested. I'll try to take some notes.

It's 12:30AM PST, TSN is replaying the Gold Medal game (Russia vs. Canada) incase anyone is interested. I'll try to take some notes.

i would watch it but my brain is completely fried from AP Chem/Calc studying

i would watch it but my brain is completely fried from AP Chem/Calc studying

Thanks for that information.

Thanks for that information.

you're welcome sir

I would LOVE to get Cody Hodgson, but in the likely event that he is taken, I wouldn't mind if the Canucks trade down to take Jordan Eberle. I've said it before, but I just have a feeling this kid is going to be a really good player and a steal.

Boedker, Wilson, Hodson or Boychuk. Guaranteed that one will be availible when we draft so we can't really go wrong but then again...it is Canucks drafting :sarcasm:

ur the 2nd guy who said they've seen him play and likes the way he plays.

I hope we pick him up. We need anotehr fast guy.

He's more like the 183047th guy to say that. There have been quite a few scouts - on and off the Prospects board - that have seen Boedker play, as well as many non-scouts like me. Boedker is pretty awesome.

It's going to be pretty hard if I was choosing at 7 or 8. Hodgson, Wilson, or Boedker.

After the performance that Hodgson put up, I can't see him falling to 10. Boedker has had a terrific playoff as well and seems to be rising in everyone`s opinion. Maybe Colin Wilson will fall to us.

After the performance that Hodgson put up, I can't see him falling to 10. Boedker has had a terrific playoff as well and seems to be rising in everyone`s opinion. Maybe Colin Wilson will fall to us.

gotta trade up for Hodgson. He's EXACTLY what this team needs to build around. He's got the smarts, leadership, and talent to Have a Trevor Linden type impact at a young age. When's the last time this team had a forward that you could throw out there in all situations and have confidence in?? Linden back in the early 90's? That's the kind of forward this team is sorely lacking.

After Stamkos, four of the next five picks are likely to be defensemen (Doughty, Schenn, Peterangelo, Bogosian) with Filatov in there somewhere rounding out the top 6.

I would be most interested in (in order): Mikkel Boedker, Colin Wilson and Cory Hodgson. But we draft 10th and there is every chance that Toronto, NYI, Columbus and Phoenix are just as interested in these three players. So if the draft strategy is to do what it takes to get one of these three players, we might have to trade up to do it.

However there are some wild cards. Kyle Beach definitely has top 10 skills, it is only the questions about his attitude and concussions that will prevent him from going in the top 10. But he is also the type of player that someone just might fall in love with and be willing to draft quite high.

Tyler Myers is also intriguing. A 6'7" defenseman with Chara type potential could easily go in the top 10. Phoenix took Turris last year, so might want to go defense.

There is also a chance that a Russian Kirill Petrov or Swede Mattias Tadenby attracts someone's attention in the top 10.

If any of these players (Myers, Beach, Petrov, Tadenby) is pick before us, we would almost suredly get a shot at one of Boedker, Wilson of Hodgson.

I watched two periods of Canada's 8-0 blowout of Russia (1st and 2nd periods) and I have to say the player that impressed me most was Jordan Eberle. Definatly more so than Hodgson, Filatov, Petrov, or Hodgson. I wasn't able to focus on Myers or Teubert enough that I could give much of a report other than to say, 'they're big'.

Eberle - Seemed a bit smaller than 5'11 .. lighter looking frame (but not Mason Raymond level).. Very soft hands with good moves, toe drags etc... Seemed to be able to elevate the puck towards the top corners with absolute ease, scored 2-3 goals in the game (2 in the first period).. quick release.. petty hard shot.. fairly good speed but I don't think I saw his highest gear. Played on the PK and looked effective. Needs to add strength/bulk.. got plastered into the boards.. seemed to know where to go to get open for Hodgson.. crisp passer.

It was hard to evalute Filatov and Petrov when it seemed like much of their team had given up.

I am reading that Kyle Beach is Toronto's guy and Phoenix have a lot of interest in Tyler Meyers. If this is the case on draft day which could realistically happen, since each team boasts their own ranking of players, then this could only be great news for the Canucks for picking up one of Hodgson, Boedker, and Wilson.

(in no particular order)

1-5 - Stamkos, Schenn, Bogosian, Filatov, Doughty

6-onwards - Pietroanglo, Meyers, Beach, Hodgson, Wilson, Boedker

Any way the Hodgson can surprise and make the NHL next year? Or is there no chance...

Also who does he play for now? CHL or College?

Any way the Hodgson can surprise and make the NHL next year? Or is there no chance...

Also who does he play for now? CHL or College?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2008/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Cody-Hodgson
CHL, OHL, Brampton Battalion.

As for whether he will be NHL ready I don't know enough to say but I'd suggest asking in the prospects forum.

Any way the Hodgson can surprise and make the NHL next year? Or is there no chance...

Also who does he play for now? CHL or College?

I think that of the prospects that might fall to 10, Colin Wilson might be the most "NHL ready". He is older than most of the other draft prospects, has already played a year in the NCAA, and has the size (215 lbs, 6'3" (don't quote me on the height, I am too lazy to look it up). The only thing that would stop him from making the jump is his skating, but apparently he has got a muscle-imbalance issue taken care of and has been working hard on his skating

I think that of the prospects that might fall to 10, Colin Wilson might be the most "NHL ready". He is older than most of the other draft prospects, has already played a year in the NCAA, and has the size (215 lbs, 6'3" (don't quote me on the height, I am too lazy to look it up). The only thing that would stop him from making the jump is his skating, but apparently he has got a muscle-imbalance issue taken care of and has been working hard on his skating

If Filatov goes before our pick, I really hope Wilson is around. He could be the top-notch center prospect we are looking for.

I am reading that Kyle Beach is Toronto's guy and Phoenix have a lot of interest in Tyler Meyers. If this is the case on draft day which could realistically happen, since each team boasts their own ranking of players, then this could only be great news for the Canucks for picking up one of Hodgson, Boedker, and Wilson.

(in no particular order)

1-5 - Stamkos, Schenn, Bogosian, Filatov, Doughty

6-onwards - Pietroanglo, Meyers, Beach, Hodgson, Wilson, Boedker


Beach is a wild card. If Beach and Meyers both go in the top 9, then as long as Delorme doesn't pull a brain fart, we are assured one of Boedker, Wilson or Hodgson.

If Filatov goes before our pick, I really hope Wilson is around. He could be the top-notch center prospect we are looking for.
do you think he can be the next Langkow?

do you think he can be the next Langkow?

Langkow? He is much bigger than Langkow. If you are looking for a comparison, I would compare him to maybe Arnott?

We should trade up from 40th to late 20s or early 30s and try to get Eberle or Ennis.

I think that Gillis allready has his pick,and nobody is talking about this guy!
If you heard the Gillis press conference,,,this team lacks a puck moving d-men,which,really did not sound topromising for Salo,,Ohlund,Kreijek.
Think that we are picking M,Del,Zotto.Thats if we do not move up.
As for Colin Wilson,do we really need another college player?We allready have Kesler,and P,White.
My Picks,for around the 10 spot would be
M.Botieker,J.Bailey.C.Hodgeson,,all good goal scorers.
Check out the read on the draft,,link below,,very good read.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=21732

Langkow? He is much bigger than Langkow. If you are looking for a comparison, I would compare him to maybe Arnott?
o, i mean his production, which means he is good enough for first line center, but not good enough to carry the line. Thats what i think base on the two games i have watched. And he sure didnt use his size to his advantage, and i didnt realize that he is that big.

I think that Gillis was taking about a puck moving defenseman at the moment. DelZotto wouldn't crack our roster for 2 or 3 years.

Our biggest need in our prospect pool is a big center who can be a leader.

o, i mean his production, which means he is good enough for first line center, but not good enough to carry the line. Thats what i think base on the two games i have watched. And he sure didnt use his size to his advantage, and i didnt realize that he is that big.

I can only guess what his production would be like at this point. I would still say he will have more or less the same amount of points as Arnott. First line center upside...if he is developed properly he could be on the verge of carrying a line at his prime.

EDIT - here is a pretty good article about him
http://islanders.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=361566

I can only guess what his production would be like at this point. I would still say he will have more or less the same amount of points as Arnott. First line center upside...if he is developed properly he could be on the verge of carrying a line at his prime.

EDIT - here is a pretty good article about him
http://islanders.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=361566
nice article, thanks

I like Hodgson a lot, I think he has Mike Richards/Rod Brind'amour-type upside. If he's available at the 7/8 spot I'd think definitely try to trade up.

When Mike Gillis was hired he mentioned that he wanted to look for players with high intelligence, and cited Joe Sakic as an example. Hodgson very much fits into this mold, although obviously isn't as good. I hope we get him.

Of course this means we'll draft a gomer like Tyler Myers :rolleyes:

I like Hodgson a lot, I think he has Mike Richards/Rod Brind'amour-type upside. If he's available at the 7/8 spot I'd think definitely try to trade up.

When Mike Gillis was hired he mentioned that he wanted to look for players with high intelligence, and cited Joe Sakic as an example. Hodgson very much fits into this mold, although obviously isn't as good. I hope we get him.

Of course this means we'll draft a gomer like Tyler Myers :rolleyes:

Hodgson is not going to be available at #10 spot, or I very highly doubt it. I really hope Vancouver drafts one of Mikkel Boedker or Colin Wilson if they can instead of Tyler Myers. I think Phoenix is going to take a shot at Myers with the #8 pick anyway. Boedker would be a perfect fit on this team

OP, that's a terrible #1 choice.

my #1 choice is Stamkos.

we probably won't get him, but hes my #1 choice.

Wilson, Boychuk, Boedker, Hodgson would all be nice.
No way all 4 are gone.
If all 4 are gone, go for one of the top d-man in the draft (bogosian, pietrangelo, schenn, etc)

I think that Gillis was taking about a puck moving defenseman at the moment. DelZotto wouldn't crack our roster for 2 or 3 years.

Our biggest need in our prospect pool is a big center who can be a leader.But,you can pretty much say that about most of them,,with the exception of Stamkos,,and maybe Filatov,who has not even decided to play in North America.

But,you can pretty much say that about most of them,,with the exception of Stamkos,,and maybe Filatov,who has not even decided to play in North America.

I know but we have a top 4 locked up for the next few years and Bourdon and Edler coming up, both good puck moving d-men, but still have some growing to do.

I know but we have a top 4 locked up for the next few years and Bourdon and Edler coming up, both good puck moving d-men, but still have some growing to do.Edler,in my opinion,has been a gem,of a find:handclap:I like Bourdon,s potential,but needs to stick this year,or there is a problem.Maybe Gillis has plans,to move Bourdon,in a package?

I don't know what to expect if we draft Myers.. does he lack "O" upside?

I don't know what to expect if we draft Myers.. does he lack "O" upside?

Another defenseman that will take years to get into our top 6 because our top 6 is full.

We need center prospects.

Another defenseman that will take years to get into our top 6 because our top 6 is full.

We need center prospects.

agreed and congrats on 5,000 posts sir.

I don't like Myers one bit. I just don't see the hockey smarts. He's big and fast. That's it.

agreed and congrats on 5,000 posts sir.

Thank ya!

I don't like Myers one bit. I just don't see the hockey smarts. He's big and fast. That's it.

Can you imagine a Bourdon-Myers pairing??:laugh:

Does anyone know what players in this draft would be able to step into the Canucks lineup this season and make some sort of positive impact?

Does anyone know what players in this draft would be able to step into the Canucks lineup this season and make some sort of positive impact?

Stamkos
maybe Filatov
maybe Doughty

Stamkos
maybe Filatov
maybe Doughty

I heard Schenn is as NHL ready as it gets.

Does anyone know what players in this draft would be able to step into the Canucks lineup this season and make some sort of positive impact?

Besides Stamkos and maybe Filatov, I think Luke Schenn could make an NHL team on a bottom pairing.

THE HOCKEY NEWS RANKINGS:

Rk Name Height Weight Position Team Birthdate
1 Steven Stamkos 6'1 183 RC Sarnia Sting Feb-90
2 Alex Pietrangelo 6'4 202 RD Niagara IceDogs Jan-90
3 Drew Doughty 6'1 209 LD Guelph Storm Dec-89
4 Nikita Filatov 6'0 170 LW CSKA May-90
5 Zach Bogosian 6'2 202 RD Peterborough Petes Jul-90
6 Luke Schenn 6'2 210 RD Kelowna Rockets Nov-89
7 Kyle Beach 6'3 205 LW Everett Silvertips Jan-90
8 Colten Teubert 6'3 197 RD Regina Pats Mar-90
9 Zach Boychuk 5'10 190 LC Lethbridge Hurricanes Nov-89
10 Colin Wilson 6'1 200 LC Boston University Oct-89
11 Josh Bailey 6'1 190 LC Windsor Spitfires Oct-89
12 Cody Hodgson 5'11 185 RC Brampton Battalion Feb-90
13 Colby Robak 6'3 195 LD Brandon Wheat Kings Apr-90
14 Michael Del Zotto 6'0 190 LD Oshawa Generals Jun-90
15 Mikkel Boedker 5'11 200 RW Kitchener Rangers Dec-89
16 Tyler Cuma 6'1 190 LD Ottawa 67's Jan-90
17 Tyler Myers 6'7 205 RD Kelowna Rockets Feb-90
18 Mikhail Stefanovich 6'2 200 RW Quebec Remparts Nov-89
19 Luca Sbisa 6'2 190 LD Lethbridge Hurricanes Jan-90
20 Jared Staal 6'3 200 RW Sudbury Wolves Aug-90
21 Mattias Teddenby 5'9 170 LW HV 71 Jrs. Feb-90
22 James Livingston 6'2 200 RW Sault Ste. Marie Mar-90
23 Brandon Burlon 6'1 190 LD St. Mikes Buzzers Mar-90
24 Phillippe Cornet 6'0 180 LC Rimouski Mar-90
25 Cody Goloubef 6'1 180 RD University of Wisconsin Nov-89
26 Mitch Wahl 5'11 195 RC Spokane Chiefs Jan-90
27 Harri Sateri 6'0 190 G Tappara Dec-89
28 Kirill Petrov 6'2 220 LW Ak Bars Kazaan Apr-90
29 A.J. Jenks 6'2 205 LW Plymouth Whalers Jun-90
30 Philip McRae 6'2 195 LC London Knights Mar-90
31 Patrice Cormier 6'2 200 LC Rimouski Jun-90
32 Josh Brittain 6'4 210 LW Kingston Jan-90
33 Evgeni Grachev 6'4 217 RW Yaroslavl Feb-90
34 Tyler Beskorawany 6'4 205 G Owen Sound Attack Apr-90
35 Yann Sauve 6'2 215 LD Saint John Seadogs Feb-90
36 Kristoffer Berglund 5'10 180 LD Bjorkloven Aug-88
37 James Wright 6'3 185 LC Vancouver Giants Mar-90
38 Eric O'Dell 5'11 165 RC Sudbury Wolves Aug-90
39 Chris Carrozzi 6'3 190 G St. Michaels Majors Mar-90
40 Greg Nemisz 6'3 200 RC Windsor Spitfires Jun-90
41 Kevin Poulin 6'1 205 G Voctoriaville Apr-90
42 Peter Delmas 6'2 175 G Lewiston Maineiacs Feb-90
43 Corey Trivino 6'1 170 LC Stouffville Spirit Jan-90
44 Viktor Tikhonov 6'2 190 RW/C Cherepovets May-88
45 Johan Motin 6'1 205 RD Bofors Oct-89
46 Shawn Lalonde 6'1 175 RD Belleville Bulls Mar-90
47 Eric Doyle 6'4 190 RD Swift Current Broncos Apr-89
48 Roman Josi 6'0 186 LD SC Bern Jun-90
49 Robbie Czarnik 6'1 175 RW US Under 18's Jan-90
50 John Carlson 6'2 215 RD Indiana Jan-90
51 Jordan Eberle 5'10 175 RC Regina Pats May-90
52 Thomas McCollum 6'2 205 G Guelph Storm Dec-89
53 Mark Barberio 6'1 210 LD Moncton Wildcats Mar-90
54 Tomas Kundratek 6'1 185 RD Trinec Dec-89
55 Tyler Ennis 5'9 160 LC Medicine Hat Oct-89
56 David Toews 5'11 180 LW Shattuck St. Mary's Jun-90
57 Geordie Wudrick 6'2 200 LW Swift Current Broncos Apr-90
58 Jimmy Hayes 6'5 215 RW US Under 18's Nov-89
59 Grant Scott 6'4 210 RW US Under 18's Jan-90
60 Jamie Arniel 5'11 185 RC Sarnia Sting Nov-89
61 Robert Mayer 6'2 195 G Saint John Oct-89
62 Joe Colborne 6'5 190 LC Camrose Kodiaks Jan-90
63 Nathan Moon 6'0 185 RW Kingston Jan-90
64 Philip Larsen 6'1 180 RD Frolunda Jrs. Dec-89
65 Steven Delisle 6'6 210 RD Gatineau Jul-90
66 Steven West 6'0 195 RD US Under 18's Feb-90
67 Jake Gardiner 6'1 175 LD Minnetonka Jul-90
68 Milan Doczy 6'5 210 RD Owen Sound Jan-90
69 Michael Stone 6'2 190 RD Calgary Hitmen Jun-90
70 Justin Florek 6'5 195 LW US Under 18's May-90
71 Cody St. Jacques 6'0 185 G Guelph Storm May-90
72 Vyacheslav Voinov 5'11 200 RD Chelyabinsk Jan-90
73 Lukas Stoop 6'0 180 RD Davos Mar-90
74 Maxime Sauve 6'0 175 LC Val D'Or Jan-90
75 Anton Gustafsson 6'3 205 LC Frolunda Jrs. Feb-90
76 Matt Zarbo 6'2 190 LW Boston Jr. Bruins May-90
77 Nate Condon 6'0 180 LC Wassau West May-90
78 Vinny Saponari 6'0 180 RW US Under 18's Apr-90
79 Stefan Della Rovere 6'0 200 LW Barrie Colts Feb-90
80 Chet Pickard 6'2 210 G Tri-City Dec-89
81 Adam Henrique 6'0 185 LC Windsor Spitfires Feb-90
82 Michael D'Orazio 6'0 205 RD Owen Sound Aug-89
83 Eric Mestery 6'5 200 RD Tri-City May-90
84 Joel Champagne 6'3 215 LC Chicoutimi Jan-90
85 Chris Doyle 6'0 200 LC PEI Rocket Mar-90
86 Nicolas Deschamps 6'1 175 LC Chicoutimi Jan-90
87 Jacob Markstrom 6'3 180 G Brynas Jan-90
88 Danny Kristo 5'11 175 RW US Under 18's Jun-90
89 Eddie Lack 6'4 192 G Leksand Jan-88
90 Kruise Reddick 5'9 170 LC Tri-City Jul-90
91 Mark Cundari 5'11 200 LD Windsor Spitfires Apr-90
92 Anders Lindback 6'6 195 G Brynas Apr-88
93 Dmitri Kugryshev 5'10 190 LW CSKA 2 Jan-90
94 Emil Bejmo 6'0 170 LC Farjestad Oct-89
95 Aaron Ness 5'11 190 LD Roseau HS May-90
96 Brian Lashoff 6'3 195 LD Barrie Colts Jul-90
97 Harry Young 6'5 210 LD Windsor Spitfires Nov-89
98 Tomas Kubalik 6'3 190 RW Plzen May-90
99 Andrei Loktionov 6'0 190 LW/C Yaroslavl May-90
100 Jordan Southorn 6'2 190 LD PEI Rocket May-90

If Cody Hogdson is ranked 12th then that's a strong indication that this draft is very deep and I hope Delrome and Co. do not get overwhelmed with all this talent in the draft.

Colborne at 62, eh?

What's caused the mighty drop? Is it just because of the league he plays in?

I would love to pick him up in the 2nd or even 3rd round if he's still around.

It's easy to look at Colborne as another Kiel McLeod, I guess...not saying that he is, I've never seen him play. But big guys with limited skill will post huge numbers in the BCHL.

THE HOCKEY NEWS RANKINGS:

Rk Name Height Weight Position Team Birthdate
1 Steven Stamkos 6'1 183 RC Sarnia Sting Feb-90
2 Alex Pietrangelo 6'4 202 RD Niagara IceDogs Jan-90
3 Drew Doughty 6'1 209 LD Guelph Storm Dec-89
4 Nikita Filatov 6'0 170 LW CSKA May-90
5 Zach Bogosian 6'2 202 RD Peterborough Petes Jul-90
6 Luke Schenn 6'2 210 RD Kelowna Rockets Nov-89
7 Kyle Beach 6'3 205 LW Everett Silvertips Jan-90
8 Colten Teubert 6'3 197 RD Regina Pats Mar-90
9 Zach Boychuk 5'10 190 LC Lethbridge Hurricanes Nov-89
10 Colin Wilson 6'1 200 LC Boston University Oct-89
11 Josh Bailey 6'1 190 LC Windsor Spitfires Oct-89
12 Cody Hodgson 5'11 185 RC Brampton Battalion Feb-90
13 Colby Robak 6'3 195 LD Brandon Wheat Kings Apr-90
14 Michael Del Zotto 6'0 190 LD Oshawa Generals Jun-90
15 Mikkel Boedker 5'11 200 RW Kitchener Rangers Dec-89
16 Tyler Cuma 6'1 190 LD Ottawa 67's Jan-90
17 Tyler Myers 6'7 205 RD Kelowna Rockets Feb-90
18 Mikhail Stefanovich 6'2 200 RW Quebec Remparts Nov-89
19 Luca Sbisa 6'2 190 LD Lethbridge Hurricanes Jan-90
20 Jared Staal 6'3 200 RW Sudbury Wolves Aug-90
21 Mattias Teddenby 5'9 170 LW HV 71 Jrs. Feb-90
22 James Livingston 6'2 200 RW Sault Ste. Marie Mar-90
23 Brandon Burlon 6'1 190 LD St. Mikes Buzzers Mar-90
24 Phillippe Cornet 6'0 180 LC Rimouski Mar-90
25 Cody Goloubef 6'1 180 RD University of Wisconsin Nov-89
26 Mitch Wahl 5'11 195 RC Spokane Chiefs Jan-90
27 Harri Sateri 6'0 190 G Tappara Dec-89
28 Kirill Petrov 6'2 220 LW Ak Bars Kazaan Apr-90
29 A.J. Jenks 6'2 205 LW Plymouth Whalers Jun-90
30 Philip McRae 6'2 195 LC London Knights Mar-90
31 Patrice Cormier 6'2 200 LC Rimouski Jun-90
32 Josh Brittain 6'4 210 LW Kingston Jan-90
33 Evgeni Grachev 6'4 217 RW Yaroslavl Feb-90
34 Tyler Beskorawany 6'4 205 G Owen Sound Attack Apr-90
35 Yann Sauve 6'2 215 LD Saint John Seadogs Feb-90
36 Kristoffer Berglund 5'10 180 LD Bjorkloven Aug-88
37 James Wright 6'3 185 LC Vancouver Giants Mar-90
38 Eric O'Dell 5'11 165 RC Sudbury Wolves Aug-90
39 Chris Carrozzi 6'3 190 G St. Michaels Majors Mar-90
40 Greg Nemisz 6'3 200 RC Windsor Spitfires Jun-90
41 Kevin Poulin 6'1 205 G Voctoriaville Apr-90
42 Peter Delmas 6'2 175 G Lewiston Maineiacs Feb-90
43 Corey Trivino 6'1 170 LC Stouffville Spirit Jan-90
44 Viktor Tikhonov 6'2 190 RW/C Cherepovets May-88
45 Johan Motin 6'1 205 RD Bofors Oct-89
46 Shawn Lalonde 6'1 175 RD Belleville Bulls Mar-90
47 Eric Doyle 6'4 190 RD Swift Current Broncos Apr-89
48 Roman Josi 6'0 186 LD SC Bern Jun-90
49 Robbie Czarnik 6'1 175 RW US Under 18's Jan-90
50 John Carlson 6'2 215 RD Indiana Jan-90
51 Jordan Eberle 5'10 175 RC Regina Pats May-90
52 Thomas McCollum 6'2 205 G Guelph Storm Dec-89
53 Mark Barberio 6'1 210 LD Moncton Wildcats Mar-90
54 Tomas Kundratek 6'1 185 RD Trinec Dec-89
55 Tyler Ennis 5'9 160 LC Medicine Hat Oct-89
56 David Toews 5'11 180 LW Shattuck St. Mary's Jun-90
57 Geordie Wudrick 6'2 200 LW Swift Current Broncos Apr-90
58 Jimmy Hayes 6'5 215 RW US Under 18's Nov-89
59 Grant Scott 6'4 210 RW US Under 18's Jan-90
60 Jamie Arniel 5'11 185 RC Sarnia Sting Nov-89
61 Robert Mayer 6'2 195 G Saint John Oct-89
62 Joe Colborne 6'5 190 LC Camrose Kodiaks Jan-90
63 Nathan Moon 6'0 185 RW Kingston Jan-90
64 Philip Larsen 6'1 180 RD Frolunda Jrs. Dec-89
65 Steven Delisle 6'6 210 RD Gatineau Jul-90
66 Steven West 6'0 195 RD US Under 18's Feb-90
67 Jake Gardiner 6'1 175 LD Minnetonka Jul-90
68 Milan Doczy 6'5 210 RD Owen Sound Jan-90
69 Michael Stone 6'2 190 RD Calgary Hitmen Jun-90
70 Justin Florek 6'5 195 LW US Under 18's May-90
71 Cody St. Jacques 6'0 185 G Guelph Storm May-90
72 Vyacheslav Voinov 5'11 200 RD Chelyabinsk Jan-90
73 Lukas Stoop 6'0 180 RD Davos Mar-90
74 Maxime Sauve 6'0 175 LC Val D'Or Jan-90
75 Anton Gustafsson 6'3 205 LC Frolunda Jrs. Feb-90
76 Matt Zarbo 6'2 190 LW Boston Jr. Bruins May-90
77 Nate Condon 6'0 180 LC Wassau West May-90
78 Vinny Saponari 6'0 180 RW US Under 18's Apr-90
79 Stefan Della Rovere 6'0 200 LW Barrie Colts Feb-90
80 Chet Pickard 6'2 210 G Tri-City Dec-89
81 Adam Henrique 6'0 185 LC Windsor Spitfires Feb-90
82 Michael D'Orazio 6'0 205 RD Owen Sound Aug-89
83 Eric Mestery 6'5 200 RD Tri-City May-90
84 Joel Champagne 6'3 215 LC Chicoutimi Jan-90
85 Chris Doyle 6'0 200 LC PEI Rocket Mar-90
86 Nicolas Deschamps 6'1 175 LC Chicoutimi Jan-90
87 Jacob Markstrom 6'3 180 G Brynas Jan-90
88 Danny Kristo 5'11 175 RW US Under 18's Jun-90
89 Eddie Lack 6'4 192 G Leksand Jan-88
90 Kruise Reddick 5'9 170 LC Tri-City Jul-90
91 Mark Cundari 5'11 200 LD Windsor Spitfires Apr-90
92 Anders Lindback 6'6 195 G Brynas Apr-88
93 Dmitri Kugryshev 5'10 190 LW CSKA 2 Jan-90
94 Emil Bejmo 6'0 170 LC Farjestad Oct-89
95 Aaron Ness 5'11 190 LD Roseau HS May-90
96 Brian Lashoff 6'3 195 LD Barrie Colts Jul-90
97 Harry Young 6'5 210 LD Windsor Spitfires Nov-89
98 Tomas Kubalik 6'3 190 RW Plzen May-90
99 Andrei Loktionov 6'0 190 LW/C Yaroslavl May-90
100 Jordan Southorn 6'2 190 LD PEI Rocket May-90

If Cody Hogdson is ranked 12th then that's a strong indication that this draft is very deep and I hope Delrome and Co. do not get overwhelmed with all this talent in the draft.

Interesting rankings of some of these guys. Teubert and Beach have top 10 potential, but if Boedker and Hodgson both drop out of the top 10 I would be surprised. Likewise Petrov, Colborne and Nemisz are lower than any other ranking I have seen.

Really quite suprised to see John Carlson drop all the way to 50. I would take him in my top 15.

That is one retarded ranking. No chance in hell Hodgson drops to 12 and Boedker at 15 is laughable.

Eberle at 51 is a joke.

THN isn't very biased over the NHL draft, they know prospects but not where theyre at.

Colborne at 63 is ridicoulos as well.

I didn't realize this was the THN rankings... I suppose I should have checked that before reading too much into them.

GARY JOYCE'S Mock Draft from ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3381639

Here's where we think these 18-year-olds will go and where they'll be at age 23:

1. Tampa Bay Lightning
• Steven Stamkos, Sarnia (OHL), C: The easy call. He was the best player on the Canadian team at the World Under-18 Championship as an under-ager last year. Said one opponent who had seen a lot of Stamkos: "It's hard when the smartest player on the ice is the best athlete."
Five-season projection: First-line center, first power-play unit (possibly on the point) and first on the penalty kill. Or forming the league's best 1-2 (1-1A) combination with future Hockey Hall of Famer Vincent Lecavalier.

2. Los Angeles Kings
• Drew Doughty, Guelph (OHL), D: Hard to pick between Nos. 2 and 3. Doughty gets the nod on this list because of his superior hockey sense and puck skills. Not tall at 5-foot-11 and stocky at 211 pounds.
Five-season projection: Top 2 defenseman, power-play quarterback.

3. Atlanta Thrashers
• Zach Bogosian, Peterborough (OHL), D: The difference between Doughty and Bogosian is the difference between what is today and what might be down the line. Doughty was an impact defenseman for the Canadian under-20 team, a pretty tough act. Bogosian, a native of Massena, N.Y., is bigger and probably a better athlete who has made improvements in the second half of the season. "Bogosian hasn't played his best hockey yet," one scout said. "There's room for growth."
Five-season projection: Top 2 defenseman with a physical edge.

4. St. Louis Blues
• Nikita Filatov, CKSA (Russian Elite League), F: Might be docked a spot or more because of the possible difficulty of bringing him west. For his part, Filatov, who speaks fluent English, has expressed the desire to come to North America next season, a desire that might be tested if he's looking at having to play junior hockey instead of jumping directly into the NHL. When Stamkos played against the Russians in last year's under-18s, he talked more about Filatov than Alexei Cherepanov, the highly touted forward selected in the first round in 2007 by the New York Rangers.
Five-season projection: First-line offensive catalyst.

5. New York Islanders
• Alex Pietrangelo, Niagara (OHL), D: He would have been an underage selection to last year's under-18 team, but had to pass because of a fracture in his kneecap. (To play through it to finish his season with the Ice Dogs, he went against the advice of some associated with the team.) Grade up for toughness. "He's a rock defensively," said one Ontario junior scout. Another scout wondered about "how much fire was in his furnace." That flies in the face of his willingness to play hurt.
Five-season projection: Top 4 defenseman, possibly top 2.

6. Columbus Blue Jackets
• Luke Schenn, Kelowna (WHL), D: Would compare more than favorably with last year's No. 5 overall, Karl Alzner, who went to Washington. (Schenn looks to have more offensive upside.)
Five-season projection: Top 4 defenseman, possibly top 2.

7. Toronto Maple Leafs
• Tyler Myers, Kelowna (WHL), D: He is a towering defenseman; very Zdeno Chara-like at 6-foot-8 and possibly still growing. The Texas native played for the United States at the summer under-18s, but processed his citizenship this winter (his parents are Albertans) and played for Team Canada at the spring event. Finished fourth among skaters on NHL Central Scouting's rankings of North American skaters. "Farther along than Chara was in his draft year," one scout reckoned. A wild card, Myers could be higher on some teams' lists, depending on their patience.
Five-season projection: A top 4 defenseman.

8. Phoenix Coyotes
• Cody Hodgson, Brampton (OHL), C: Captained a Canadian team that won the World Under-18 Championship this spring. He's an all-purpose center, not a power type, at just under 6 feet and 185 pounds. Some grade him down for skating. See here.
Five-season projection: A 2-3 center you can win with.

9. Nashville Predators (from Florida)
• Kyle Beach, Everett (WHL), LW: A wild card. Beach is talented and already pro-sized at 6-foot-3 and 205 pounds, but negative buzz is out there. He made few friends when he played on the Canadian team at the summer under-18s and scapegoated for overall poor team performance. "Maybe not a bad kid, but questionable judgment," one scout said. Stock plunged in unproductive second half of the season. Could drop on draft day, like Angelo Esposito last year.
Five-season projection: If you buy the scuttlebutt, at least one worn-out welcome and one frustrated coach. If you don't buy the knocks, a difference-maker.

10. Vancouver Canucks
• Mikkel Boedker, Kitchener (OHL), RW: The Dane is an instant-offense player with great skating ability. Hits top speed in a couple of steps. Racked up 29 goals and more than 70 points during the regular season, his first in major junior, and has picked up the pace in the playoffs. Will have a chance to showcase his skills in the Memorial Cup with the host team in Kitchener in May. Getting best possible introduction to North American game with respected coach Pete Deboer.
Five-season projection: Second line with offense, possibly first line.

11. Chicago Blackhawks
• Zach Boychuk, Lethbridge (WHL), C: Three seasons in the Dub, international experience, and looks to have raised his game with 11 goals in 14 playoff games this spring. Graded down for size (5-foot-9, 176 pounds).
Five-season projection: Second line; downside is third line.

12. Anaheim Ducks (from Edmonton)
• Colin Wilson, Boston University (NCAA), F: Son of longtime NHLer Carey Wilson. Colin is not the greatest skater, but has solid hockey sense. Tied for tournament lead in scoring at last year's world under-18s.
Five-year projection: Second line; downside possibly third.

13. Buffalo Sabres
• Colten Teubert, Regina (WHL), D: Pro height (6-foot-4), helped himself as much as any player at the under-18s this spring. "You could tell [Canadian coach] Pat Quinn fell in love with him," one scout said. Teubert delivers big hits and no holes in his game were exposed on the big ice surface.
Five-year projection: Top 4 defenseman, possibly fifth on a very deep team.

14. Carolina Hurricanes
• Michael McCollum, Guelph (OHL), G: The consensus -- he's the top-ranked goaltender available. "There should be at least two goaltenders in the first round, maybe as many as four," one scout said. McCollum could move up based on a team's needs.
Five-year projection: A starter, possibly backup behind elite older goaltender and being groomed for top role.

Also in play: Michael Del Zotto, Oshawa (OHL), defenseman. Josh Bailey, Windsor (OHL), forward. Kiril Petrov, Ak Bars (Russia), right winger. Chet Pickard, Tri-City (WHL), goaltender. Mattias Tedenby, HV 71 (Sweden), left winger. Jared Staal, Sudbury (OHL), right winger.

Next installment: In a week, with the top 30 rankings, adjusted for playoffs and Memorial Cup.

Gare Joyce is a regular contributor to ESPN The Magazine and ESPN.com.

I like the fact that Gary Joyce implies that Mikkel Boedker may be the second most talented forward in this draft pool behind Filatov.

GARY JOYCE'S Mock Draft from ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3381639



I like the fact that Gary Joyce implies that Mikkel Boedker may be the second most talented forward in this draft pool behind Filatov.

why do you like that? Its less likely we will be able to draft him.

why do you like that? Its less likely we will be able to draft him.

There's a lot of lists that show Boedker falling to our position. Boedker would be a good pick. In a few years, a line of Grabner-White-Boedker could very well be our top line.

There's a lot of lists that show Boedker falling to our position. Boedker would be a good pick. In a few years, a line of Grabner-White-Boedker could very well be our top line.

This organization will be lucky if White makes it as a 3rd liner, let alone 1st liner. It wont happen.

This organization will be lucky if White makes it as a 3rd liner, let alone 1st liner. It wont happen.

Great..write off another prospect. Have you seen him play? No? Then shut up!

Great..write off another prospect. Have you seen him play? No? Then shut up!

Agree:help:

This organization will be lucky if White makes it as a 3rd liner, let alone 1st liner. It wont happen.

How could you possibly know that?? Have you seen him play?? What qualifies you to make such a statement?

Way to early to make a dumb statement like that

Great..write off another prospect. Have you seen him play? No? Then shut up!

He has him on Facebook, which means they're best friends and Patrick told him (exclusively) that he has a weak skillset and is stunned the Canucks took him in the first round. He had never even played hockey before being drafted.

e: For what it's worth, I dreamed the draft last night and the Canucks got Hodgson. Boedker went 6th overall. :(

Great..write off another prospect. Have you seen him play? No? Then shut up!

Kinda tough to see him play when he's on the bench most of the game.


e: For what it's worth, I dreamed the draft last night and the Canucks got Hodgson. Boedker went 6th overall. :(

Hodgson would be a great pickup. Hodgson or Boychuk.

anybody know more about Josh Bailey? His name keeps hovering between 10-15

Kinda tough to see him play when he's on the bench most of the game.





So, answer the question. Have you seen him play?? I thought so

So, answer the question. Have you seen him play?? I thought so

He's a terrible player who couldn't cut it at the University of Minnesota. He's a 4th liner there for a reason...and don't give me the crap that they bench all freshmen because that's not the treatment Kyle Okposo got, or Mike Hoeffel.

He's a terrible player who couldn't cut it at the University of Minnesota. He's a 4th liner there for a reason...and don't give me the crap that they bench all freshmen because that's not the treatment Kyle Okposo got, or Mike Hoeffel.

I thought so, you haven't seen him play. Your credibility is zero.

I thought so, you haven't seen him play. Your credibility is zero.

He's The_Pauser, his credibility is already less than zero.

anybody know more about Josh Bailey? His name keeps hovering between 10-15

I don't know much about him, but a lot of people have classified him as a safe pick who's likely to be a second line typw of guy. He would be a solid pick below 15, but there's a lot of guys I would take over him.

Another defenseman that will take years to get into our top 6 because our top 6 is full.

We need center prospects.

Whom ever is drafted will not make the NHL for two to three years. Yes, the team needs centre prospects, but right side D's and left wing forwards are also needed. The thing is though, it's stupid to draft for position, draft for character or draft the best player available.

I'm hoping we can get Boedker or Hodgson with our first pick. If they are gone, I'd rather see our first pick traded either for a first later plus an extra pick or package our first for the Flyer's pick and Carter. Edler & #10 for Carter & #27 to #30? should be fair.

One player I do hope we pick in the 2nd or 3rd is Eric Mestery, a 6'5" 200lb right side D from Tri-City. Luca Sbisa in the 1st round would also be great.

He's a terrible player who couldn't cut it at the University of Minnesota. He's a 4th liner there for a reason...and don't give me the crap that they bench all freshmen because that's not the treatment Kyle Okposo got, or Mike Hoeffel.

I have seen him play. And I can assure the masses: The_Pauser, once again, has absolutely no bloody clue what he's talking about.

I have seen him play. And I can assure the masses: The_Pauser, once again, has absolutely no bloody clue what he's talking about.

So if you've seen him play...why are his numbers so bad? I'm honestly curious...these are some of the worst numbers I've ever seen from a freshman 1st round pick.

I didn't realize this was the THN rankings... I suppose I should have checked that before reading too much into them.

THN is far off, Joe Colborne at 63 and Eberle at 51

Pauser = modern day DayQuil.

What the hell do you know? I know White was on Detroit's draft list last year. But seriously, Patrick White didn't have a good year in University.. so what he was drafted becuase he has great hockey skill and just didn't prove himself this year

So if you've seen him play...why are his numbers so bad? I'm honestly curious...these are some of the worst numbers I've ever seen from a freshman 1st round pick.

Brian Boyle's 1st year:
2003-04 Boston College NCAA GP:35 G:5 A:3 TP:8 PIM:36

Jim O'Brien's 1st year:
2006-07 U. of Minnesota NCAA 43 7 8 15 51

This upcoming season is a critical season for Patrick White and will provide us the indicative if Patrick White is still considered a premium prospect.

How could you possibly know that?? Have you seen him play?? What qualifies you to make such a statement?

Way to early to make a dumb statement like that

you can see it happening before it happens.

I knew Nathan Smith would bust the day he was drafted. I also knew, Marc andre Bernier was a garbage pick.

Judging by the way White plays, hes lucky to make the NHL. Hes not fast, hes scared of the Physical game, I have no idea why Canucks picked up, you can say we wasted another pick. Hes gonna be bust. Patrick White will never play on any first lines in the NHL.

infact u know what, Im gonna say it now, Patrik White will not make the NHL. He does not have the grit to be a bottom 6 foward, he does nto have the tools to be a top 6 foward.

Brian Boyle's 1st year:
2003-04 Boston College NCAA GP:35 G:5 A:3 TP:8 PIM:36

Jim O'Brien's 1st year:
2006-07 U. of Minnesota NCAA 43 7 8 15 51

This upcoming season is a critical season for Patrick White and will provide us the indicative if Patrick White is still considered a premium prospect.

Fair enough with O'Brien, although it's worth noting that in Boyle's first season he played as a defenseman.

you can see it happening before it happens.

I knew Nathan Smith would bust the day he was drafted. I also knew, Marc andre Bernier was a garbage pick.

Judging by the way White plays, hes lucky to make the NHL. Hes not fast, hes scared of the Physical game, I have no idea why Canucks picked up, you can say we wasted another pick. Hes gonna be bust. Patrick White will never play on any first lines in the NHL.

infact u know what, Im gonna say it now, Patrik White will not make the NHL. He does not have the grit to be a bottom 6 foward, he does nto have the tools to be a top 6 foward.

Since you apparently have the ability to see into the future, can you tell me the lottery numbers for tomorrow as well?

Great..write off another prospect. Have you seen him play? No? Then shut up!
Didnt the coach said sometimes he is the best player on the ice? I remember reading somewhere on the newspaper.

I would be very happy to land Boedker... Hansen could act as great mentor for him in a couple years.

31 points in 17 games for him, not bad for a rookie. i wonder if he is a soft player though.

Didnt the coach said sometimes he is the best player on the ice? I remember reading somewhere on the newspaper.

I've read a wide range of comments on White, both positive and negative... as much as people like to hypothesize about the potential of NHL prospects, the fact is that it's a bit of a crap-shoot until they fully develop their skills a few years after the draft.

Dug up the following scouting report on Boedker from NHLdraft.com

Mikkel Boedker
Ht/Wt:5.11/200 lbs
Position:LW
Drafted From:Kitchener

Player Profile
Currently playing in his rookie season for the Kitchener Rangers of the OHL, is vying to be the second Dane is as many years to go in the top 15 selections of this years' NHL Draft in Ottawa. His impressive speed and skating abilities put him on the map, and his hands and vision are moving him steadily up the ladder in many scouts' eyes. While not a flashy player, the native of Brandby, Denmark combines great foot-speed and soft hands to quaterback rushes and powerplay situations with equal aplomb, using his natural playmaking skills to great effect from any part of the ice.

Boedker's size, listed at 5'11 and 200 lbs, makes him an effective forechecker with good puck recovery along the boards, and he doesn't shy away from the rough North American game. Despite owning a hard shot and evidencing a scorer's touch, the one big knock on Boedker is his tendency to pass at times when he should shoot. With his hands and size, he could also take more risks in the offensive zone by cutting into the middle, but his solid passing and setup abilities tends to soften that criticism. His great showing at the World Junior Championships this year, as well as his current 69 points in 60 OHL games should guarantee him a top 15 spot come June, with the definite possibility of moving up into the top ten.


Mikkel Boedker - 07/08 Regular Season Stats, Kitchener Rangers

62 GP, 29 G, 44 A, 73 PTS, +6, 14 PIMs

How could you possibly know that?? Have you seen him play?? What qualifies you to make such a statement?

Way to early to make a dumb statement like that

To be fair, he didn't need to see him play...he already made the decision like 5 minutes after the Canucks drafted him.

He's a terrible player who couldn't cut it at the University of Minnesota. He's a 4th liner there for a reason...and don't give me the crap that they bench all freshmen because that's not the treatment Kyle Okposo got, or Mike Hoeffel.

That would be like asking why isn't Luc Bourdon getting the same treatment as Crosby when they were both drafted in the first round of the same draft year.

Do yourself a favor and read up on what people who were actually watching the Gophers this year had to say about Patrick White before you embarrass yourself further. He was seeing icetime in key situations near the tail end of the season and made the most of the opportunities given to him when injuries/etc moved him up the depth chart.

This has only been explained to you 8000 times already. Since you rip off everyone, why can't you ever rip off opinions/beliefs that are actually informed?

What I'd be interested in, based on what I've seen or heard

#10 Boedker/Hodgson/Wilson
#40 James Wright/Nemesiz/Petrov
#70 Mike Connolly

Anyone know anything re: Derek Lee and Derek Grant? Both are BCHL players.

What I'd be interested in, based on what I've seen or heard

#10 Boedker/Hodgson/Wilson
#40 James Wright/Nemesiz/Petrov
#70 Mike Connolly

Anyone know anything re: Derek Lee and Derek Grant? Both are BCHL players.

Derek Lee is quite small. He has great hockey sense and is a good skater. Would be worth taking a flyer on in the later rounds, IMO.

THN is far off, Joe Colborne at 63 and Eberle at 51

Apparently they don't respect the league...no Zach Dalpe either who is mentioned as a top 30 pick in some circles and no Justin Schultz in the top 100 and I have seen him early second round in some circles. Also Danny Kristo seems a little low.

What I'd be interested in, based on what I've seen or heard

#10 Boedker/Hodgson/Wilson
#40 James Wright/Nemesiz/Petrov
#70 Mike Connolly

Anyone know anything re: Derek Lee and Derek Grant? Both are BCHL players.

I give Luca Sbisa a good look at #40 if he is still there as well.

I give Luca Sbisa a good look at #40 if he is still there as well.

Sbisa will go top 20.

Dug up the following scouting report on Boedker from NHLdraft.com

Mikkel Boedker
Ht/Wt:5.11/200 lbs
Position:LW
Drafted From:Kitchener

Player Profile
Currently playing in his rookie season for the Kitchener Rangers of the OHL, is vying to be the second Dane is as many years to go in the top 15 selections of this years' NHL Draft in Ottawa. His impressive speed and skating abilities put him on the map, and his hands and vision are moving him steadily up the ladder in many scouts' eyes. While not a flashy player, the native of Brandby, Denmark combines great foot-speed and soft hands to quaterback rushes and powerplay situations with equal aplomb, using his natural playmaking skills to great effect from any part of the ice.

Boedker's size, listed at 5'11 and 200 lbs, makes him an effective forechecker with good puck recovery along the boards, and he doesn't shy away from the rough North American game. Despite owning a hard shot and evidencing a scorer's touch, the one big knock on Boedker is his tendency to pass at times when he should shoot. With his hands and size, he could also take more risks in the offensive zone by cutting into the middle, but his solid passing and setup abilities tends to soften that criticism. His great showing at the World Junior Championships this year, as well as his current 69 points in 60 OHL games should guarantee him a top 15 spot come June, with the definite possibility of moving up into the top ten.


Mikkel Boedker - 07/08 Regular Season Stats, Kitchener Rangers

62 GP, 29 G, 44 A, 73 PTS, +6, 14 PIMs

Can you envision a line of Boedker - Kesler - Hansen? All three are known to be defensively aware players and good on the forecheck while at the same time they have the speed and offensive skills to change from defense to offense at the blink of an eye. This is the type of line that can catch opposing teams totally off guard and cause them nightmares.

Can you envision a line of Boedker - Kesler - Hansen? All three are known to be defensively aware players and good on the forecheck while at the same time they have the speed and offensive skills to change from defense to offense at the blink of an eye. This is the type of line that can catch opposing teams totally off guard and cause them nightmares.

Kesler has progressed nicely, but the jury is still out if he will be consistent enough to be a top 6 forward. Hansen is much like Kesler, in that he might be better suited for a third line as well. Who knows, maybe it would work. I certainly wouldn't mind it.

Kesler has progressed nicely, but the jury is still out if he will be consistent enough to be a top 6 forward. Hansen is much like Kesler, in that he might be better suited for a third line as well. Who knows, maybe it would work. I certainly wouldn't mind it.
I wasn't suggesting the Kesler line be part of the top six. I was suggesting it to be an elite shutdown line with a high potential to add transition and offence.

I have always maintained that a shutdown line (some consider this a 3rd or 4th line, but I don't) should be as talented defensively as a team's so called first line. A 1a or b defensive line and a 1a or b offensive line so to speak. That means the shut down line likely will be one of the two most talented lines on the team and even though it's main function is to shut down opposing team's offensive lines, sometimes the best defense is the other team's knowledge that any mistake and that line is fully capable of going on the attack ans scoring. Burrows is another player for that line, but Boedker likely would bring much more speed and skill.

Gillis has already stated he doesn't see the Canucks having set 1st, 2nd and so on lines, but a group of nine or ten players who will make up lines on a need to be basis. In other words a player is just onsidered a top six or a top nine player. In those players he is looking for skill, speed, hockey sense and grit.

Can you envision a line of Boedker - Kesler - Hansen? All three are known to be defensively aware players and good on the forecheck while at the same time they have the speed and offensive skills to change from defense to offense at the blink of an eye. This is the type of line that can catch opposing teams totally off guard and cause them nightmares.

Yeah, just what we need...another 3rd liner drafted with our 1st round pick.:sarcasm:

What I'd be interested in, based on what I've seen or heard

#10 Boedker/Hodgson/Wilson
#40 James Wright/Nemesiz/Petrov
#70 Mike Connolly

Anyone know anything re: Derek Lee and Derek Grant? Both are BCHL players.

Derek Grant is a big guy, supposedly with good character, for what that's worth. That's what I've read anyway. He's ranked in the 100 range for North American skaters in the rankings I've seen.

That would be like asking why isn't Luc Bourdon getting the same treatment as Crosby when they were both drafted in the first round of the same draft year.

Do yourself a favor and read up on what people who were actually watching the Gophers this year had to say about Patrick White before you embarrass yourself further. He was seeing icetime in key situations near the tail end of the season and made the most of the opportunities given to him when injuries/etc moved him up the depth chart.

This has only been explained to you 8000 times already. Since you rip off everyone, why can't you ever rip off opinions/beliefs that are actually informed?

Yeah because, 10 points in 45 games is really good! Great pickup.

Yeah because, 10 points in 45 games is really good! Great pickup.

God, do you ever just answer the question? You really do embarrass yourself sometimes :shakehead

How can you possibly judge how this kid will turn out based on his freshman year.

Yeah because, 10 points in 45 games is really good! Great pickup.

You're...so...ignorant.

Yeah because, 10 points in 45 games is really good! Great pickup.

I was under the impression that White just turned 19 years old.

You make it seem like he is 23 and in his Senior Year in the NCAA.

Yeah because, 10 points in 45 games is really good! Great pickup.

you're the kind of guy that 2 years ago said Coburn would never make it, or that said the Sedins would bust (although you wouldn't have been alone there). Wait more than 5 minutes after the guy is drafted before deciding his career path.

I would have had David Perron in here...a guy who actually PLAYED in the NHL.

Patrick White hasn't shown much of anything. He was a gamble pick and a blown one at that.

The Taylor Ellington pick was a waste as well.

I would have had David Perron in here...a guy who actually PLAYED in the NHL.

Patrick White hasn't shown much of anything. He was a gamble pick and a blown one at that.

The Taylor Ellington pick was a waste as well.

wuts with u and not giving prospects a chance?

Yeah because, 10 points in 45 games is really good! Great pickup.

Patrick White is following a similar career path as former 1st overall pick Joe Thornton.

Thornton's rookie season...

55GP 3G 4A 7P

Until a player has had at least a couple seasons of development you can't make an informed opinion on his future. Not that I'm saying even you thought your opinion was worth anything.

all I can tell you, is if Gillis was in comand, drafting Patrick White would not be approved by him, you can also see that, he will not approve the drafting of Ellington with the 33rd pick.

Yeah because, 10 points in 45 games is really good! Great pickup.

Please answer this truthfully. Were you part of the vast majority of Canucks fans that wanted to trade the Sedins for 'a bag of pucks because they'll never accomplish anything"?

NCAA players can be difficult to assess. Look at Brent Skinner, while he's now a high end minor league offensive defenseman when both he and Bieksa were coming out of college no one, and I mean no one expected that Bieksa would be the better player immediately and into the future. Whether or not the Canucks should have drafted Perron instead is irrelevant. White is a project, and while he needs to work on his skating and strength, he's reported to have a strong work ethic that should help him overcome those weaknesses. It's far too early to be labelling him a bust.

I would have had David Perron in here...a guy who actually PLAYED in the NHL.

Patrick White hasn't shown much of anything. He was a gamble pick and a blown one at that.

The Taylor Ellington pick was a waste as well.


Playing for a team that is starting to undergo a rebuild/youth movement.

They had room for rookies to step in, get minutes and make their rookie mistakes.

This is a kid who got upset and flustered when Keith Tkachuk bobbled one of his passes, great attitude!

Had we actually picked Perron, there is little doubt that he would be playing in Lewiston this season as he would've likely suffered under AV's tutelage and D oriented system. A great puckhandler would do much better under a puck possession system as opposed to the chip and chase game we played.

Just because he is in the NHL now doesn't mean that he is going to be a better NHL than the players who were taken before him that aren't in the NHL right now.

For example, St.Louis' first two first round picks Lars Eller and Ian Cole.

Oh thats right, they had THREE first round picks in that draft, and two 2nd round picks. Of course they are going to have much much more freedom to take a risky, boom-or-bust player with some red flags with their THIRD first round pick.

THE HOCKEY NEWS RANKINGS:



If Cody Hogdson is ranked 12th then that's a strong indication that this draft is very deep and I hope Delrome and Co. do not get overwhelmed with all this talent in the draft.

that isn't THN's rankings.

In the latest issue they profile Tyler Myers, and say he's ranked 11th.

In your list, he's ranked 17th.

Yeah because, 10 points in 45 games is really good! Great pickup.

Again, you should go and talk to other people on here who are primarily Gophers fans and not Canucks fans and hear what they have to say about him.

But hey, whatever. Did you hear that Perron really isn't getting along with his coach in St. Louis? What was that you were saying about Naslund being a selfish person?

Will you ever be consistent with the gibberish you spew?

Derek Grant is a big guy, supposedly with good character, for what that's worth. That's what I've read anyway. He's ranked in the 100 range for North American skaters in the rankings I've seen.

Cool. Yeah, his size and the fact that he has some offensive touch has me interested, but, unlike other posters on here who shall remain nameless I'd rather not make sweeping generalizations about players whom I've only read about.

I'd really like to see the Canucks pick up some players from the BCHL.

Patrick White is following a similar career path as former 1st overall pick Joe Thornton.

Thornton's rookie season...

55GP 3G 4A 7P

Until a player has had at least a couple seasons of development you can't make an informed opinion on his future. Not that I'm saying even you thought your opinion was worth anything.

:laugh: Are you seriously comparing Patrick White to Joe Thornton?

I guess every player who sucks in his first year is following the same career path as Joe Thornton? Had White put up 45 points in 45 games then he wouldn't be getting the Thornton comparisons?

Face it, the guy is a bust! Perron would have been a much better pick. Nonis passed up Kopitar and Perron, just like Burke passed up Boyes.

Playing for a team that is starting to undergo a rebuild/youth movement.

They had room for rookies to step in, get minutes and make their rookie mistakes.

This is a kid who got upset and flustered when Keith Tkachuk bobbled one of his passes, great attitude!

Had we actually picked Perron, there is little doubt that he would be playing in Lewiston this season as he would've likely suffered under AV's tutelage and D oriented system. A great puckhandler would do much better under a puck possession system as opposed to the chip and chase game we played.

Just because he is in the NHL now doesn't mean that he is going to be a better NHL than the players who were taken before him that aren't in the NHL right now.

For example, St.Louis' first two first round picks Lars Eller and Ian Cole.

Oh thats right, they had THREE first round picks in that draft, and two 2nd round picks. Of course they are going to have much much more freedom to take a risky, boom-or-bust player with some red flags with their THIRD first round pick.

Can you seriously not find a spot for Perron in our lineup last season? With the crap that this team iced, I'd say that Perron easily could have made our 2nd line. Sure he has attitude problems, but the guy has talent. He's only 19 years old and his attitude problem can be fixed.

Can you seriously not find a spot for Perron in our lineup last season? With the crap that this team iced, I'd say that Perron easily could have made our 2nd line. Sure he has attitude problems, but the guy has talent. He's only 19 years old and his attitude problem can be fixed.

Im actually a fan of Perron, but there is not a chance he would have made our second line. If he did, he most likely wouldve had serious problems contributing.

:laugh: Are you seriously comparing Patrick White to Joe Thornton?

You're the one who declared him a bust before he played a single game this season. I don't think you're qualified to laugh at people.

I guess every player who sucks in his first year is following the same career path as Joe Thornton?

See this? This is a straw man. This is why people are getting sick of trying to debate with you.

As one of the few here that have actually seen Pat White play, I'd say that there is a lot to like about him. Gillis talks about adding smart players and that exactly what he is a smart offensive player. I don't know if he'll ever be a penalty killer or a shut down centerman but the kid has skills, skates pretty well, and makes smart offensive plays. I for one wouldn't be so quick to write him off.

who would you pick

Colin Wilson vs Boychuck

Wilson vs Beach

who would you pick

Colin Wilson vs Boychuck

Wilson vs Beach

Wilson > Boychuk > Beach, IMO.

who would you pick

Colin Wilson vs Boychuck

Wilson vs Beach

Boychuk over Wilson

Wilson over Beach

who would you pick

Colin Wilson vs Boychuck

Wilson vs Beach

I think I like Wilson in both of these. I've never seen him play but I like what I read about him. Has good size and puck possesion skills. After taking guys like Grabner and Raymond it would be nice to have a bigger guy.

I think I like Wilson in both of these. I've never seen him play but I like what I read about him. Has good size and puck possesion skills. After taking guys like Grabner and Raymond it would be nice to have a bigger guy.

Wilson and Raymond are about the same size IIRC....

In my mind, Wilson is pretty much a safe bet to be a solid 2nd liner. Boychuk is more of a risky pick. He could be anything from a 1st liner to a 3rd liner. I prefer Boychuk's ceiling though.

I meant bigger as in terms of weight and hockey style and Mason isn't 215lbs. But its cool though.

Cool. Yeah, his size and the fact that he has some offensive touch has me interested, but, unlike other posters on here who shall remain nameless I'd rather not make sweeping generalizations about players whom I've only read about.

I'd really like to see the Canucks pick up some players from the BCHL.

I agree. For our later round picks, there are some BCHL players out there that I hope Gillis has interest in.

id like to see us try and pick up a physical player. someone who will drop the gloves and is a net presence. like rangers prospect dane byers. someone who will get their nose dirty and really battle in front of the net.

I would have had David Perron in here...a guy who actually PLAYED in the NHL.


Ummm...Peron didn't actually play in the NHL until after he was picked.
Hind sight sure is great.

Boychuk over Wilson

Wilson over Beach

Boychuck is a dwarf.

Wilson and Raymond are about the same size IIRC....

In my mind, Wilson is pretty much a safe bet to be a solid 2nd liner. Boychuk is more of a risky pick. He could be anything from a 1st liner to a 3rd liner. I prefer Boychuk's ceiling though.

If your credibility didn't suck (and it did) before, it sure does now.

Fair enough with O'Brien, although it's worth noting that in Boyle's first season he played as a defenseman.

so did obrien.

And it should be noted that because of the depth in minnesota, obrien opted to go to the WHL to get playing time this year.

so did obrien.

And it should be noted that because of the depth in minnesota, obrien opted to go to the WHL to get playing time this year.

O'Brien was not a defenseman for most of his playing years, or, for that matter, most of his Gopher days. He was casted into that role because of the overcrowding in the Gophers.

And as for the play of White, it got better as the year progressed. The thing you have to keep in mind with him is that he's adjusting to basically a bigger game. He has the tools and the smarts - but he needs time to develop and use them at a higher level. The Gophers roll four lines - or as much of 'rolling four lines' as you can come to expect of any team, but White was placed mostly on the 3rd or 4th throughout the year. He works hard, and you can see that his play sometimes is quite good, though sometimes a knock on him is that he is not too good in the corners and doesn't use his body as strongly as he should. It will be a better season for him next year as he adjusts to the college game in terms of using his skill and being confident, as well as being more physical.

Just because his points are not great doesn't mean that his game has been horrible. It hasn't been - it has been solid, but just not spectacular, nor did I expect it to be for a HS --> Gophers player of his mold.

:laugh: Are you seriously comparing Patrick White to Joe Thornton?

I guess every player who sucks in his first year is following the same career path as Joe Thornton? Had White put up 45 points in 45 games then he wouldn't be getting the Thornton comparisons?

Face it, the guy is a bust! Perron would have been a much better pick. Nonis passed up Kopitar and Perron, just like Burke passed up Boyes.
*wooosh*

The guy's played one season in the NCAA. He's 19 years old. Everybody knew he was going to be a bit of a project when drafted. I'm not going to get into a huge argument with you, but you have to give certain things time before you make gross generalizations.



That was the point of Sopel's post. Not that Pat White is going to be Joe Thornton.

Hind sight sure is great.

Heck yea! haha

When you guys quote him, it really defeats the purpose of the ignore list.

all I can tell you, is if Gillis was in comand, drafting Patrick White would not be approved by him, you can also see that, he will not approve the drafting of Ellington with the 33rd pick.
How can you say that for sure? Do you have a crystal ball?
You only needed to add the word 'probably' to satisfy me.

My other issue is judging a player less than a year after being drafted. See below for typical posts about Raymond at a similar stage in his career. I removed the poster's name because it's not relevant to my point. I hope that's alright.

To your credit, I noticed that you defended Raymond at that time.
Has Raymond already busted or is he just forgotten about? I realize he's a high risk player and he's got a few years in college ahead of him but doesn't he deserve at least a mention?

Not thus far. He scored in Tier 2 junior (AJHL) as a 18- 19 year old:shakehead

I have a cousin who potted 144 goals in the AJHL and clocked in with 338 points. Never played pro. Way superior to Raymond's numbers.

Raymond is listed generously at 170 lbs - 160 is even pushing it. No upper body strength and he shys away from the heavy going.

How can you say that for sure? Do you have a crystal ball?
You only needed to add the word 'probably' to satisfy me.

My other issue is judging a player less than a year after being drafted. See below for typical posts about Raymond at a similar stage in his career. I removed the poster's name because it's not relevant to my point. I hope that's alright.

To your credit, I noticed that you defended Raymond at that time.

diffrence is Mason Raymond was a 2nd rounder, (not a huge investment or that huge of the asset compared to a 1st round pick) at the time, his numbers actually backed it up, he was the leading scorer in the AJHL, and was ranked as the number 1 player in that leauge, obviously no one even questioned his abilities from this board, and his numbers, the thing is we could have easily selected somone with our 2007 first roujnd pick that is probably superior to Mason Raymond.

PATIENCE PEOPLE!!! The same guys that are writing off Pat White already are the same guys who didn't want to match the Kesler offer sheet and absolutely love him now. When the Canucks picked him I didn't see it as too much of a reach. He had a solid U-18 tournament and had a great high school year. The fact is the guy can play, so just give him some time before you come to judgement.

PATIENCE PEOPLE!!! The same guys that are writing off Pat White already are the same guys who didn't want to match the Kesler offer sheet and absolutely love him now. When the Canucks picked him I didn't see it as too much of a reach. He had a solid U-18 tournament and had a great high school year. The fact is the guy can play, so just give him some time before you come to judgement.

unfortunately, while your words speak the truth, they are falling on deaf ears.
Those who made up their minds about White will not budge. That is, they won't budge until White becomes a solid NHLer and then they'll be singing his praises.

Will this happen? Who knows. Which is why we need to wait. It's easy to sit, read forums, and judge a statline from 1 measly season and say "X is going to be a bust" or "X is going to be a star".

frolik might be available

can anyone tell me what player whould be the best for the canucks to draft him?

guys who didn't want to match the Kesler offer sheet and absolutely love him now.

Good times.

PATIENCE PEOPLE!!! The same guys that are writing off Pat White already are the same guys who didn't want to match the Kesler offer sheet and absolutely love him now. When the Canucks picked him I didn't see it as too much of a reach. He had a solid U-18 tournament and had a great high school year. The fact is the guy can play, so just give him some time before you come to judgement.

do some homework before opening your trap dude. I was one that said, they have to match it all costs.

do some homework before opening your trap dude. I was one that said, they have to match it all costs.

First of all I wasn't even referring to you. I was just stressing the importance of having patience with young players before you write them off. Its cool though.

I just find it funny that you some of you bash Pat White for having a bad year and not being first round pick worthy. For having a bad year in a pretty tough league and having to deal with seniority. He was one of the best high school players in the US and had comparable stats to the ever so beloved Kyle Turris and Oscar Moller at the 2007 U18s its not like he was picked out of nowhere. His play improved as this year went on so next year I'd expect his stats to be much better with an increased role.

Good times.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=288857

According to that thread. WE ARE ALL ****ING IDIOTS (yes that includes me)

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=288857

According to that thread. WE ARE ALL ****ING IDIOTS (yes that includes me)

I just voted yes.

:D:D

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=288857

According to that thread. WE ARE ALL ****ING IDIOTS (yes that includes me)

Not me :D

I was right about Kesler, and I will be right about Patrick White.

Not me :D

I was right about Kesler, and I will be right about Patrick White.

that makes two of us :D

Not me :D

I was right about Kesler, and I will be right about Patrick White.

Ya know what, I hope I am wrong about Patrick White.

PATIENCE PEOPLE!!! The same guys that are writing off Pat White already are the same guys who didn't want to match the Kesler offer sheet and absolutely love him now. When the Canucks picked him I didn't see it as too much of a reach. He had a solid U-18 tournament and had a great high school year. The fact is the guy can play, so just give him some time before you come to judgement.

Actually if you check out that thread, I voted to match the offer sheet.

can anyone tell me what player whould be the best for the canucks to draft him?

Steven Stamkos?

Steven Stamkos?

Yeah...how about a player that's more likely to be available at 10th overall?

Yeah...how about a player that's more likely to be available at 10th overall?

It has been said multiple times, but Colin Wilson

I like how the number of people who voted yes on the poll has increased by at least 10 or 12 since yesterday.

what if boedker/hodgson/wilson are all gone.. who will the canucks pick

cant wait for the draft!!!!

there's a very good article on Ness in the Prospects forum.

what if boedker/hodgson/wilson are all gone.. who will the canucks pick

If it were up to me, I'd trade down. Might as well get more picks or players that can help if you can't get one of those three -- although, someone may inexplicably fall.

that makes two of us :D

I was right too :)

Yeah...how about a player that's more likely to be available at 10th overall?

Sorry, but stupid questions deserve stupid answers.

what if boedker/hodgson/wilson are all gone.. who will the canucks pick

Zach Boychuk. People on here don't give him enough credit.

what if boedker/hodgson/wilson are all gone.. who will the canucks pick

Then i would go with whichever superstar dman is available.

Jofu? Is that you? :sarcasm:

Jofu? Is that you? :sarcasm:

:laugh: You know I was just about to say the exact same thing.

Better run the IP's. :D

:laugh: You know I was just about to say the exact same thing.

Better run the IP's. :D

I'm sure it's all just a big coincidence. :sarcasm:

Jofu? Is that you? :sarcasm:
Its Jobu.

I would take a chance on Colbourne at 10th or at elast trade down a couple spots and pick Colbourne..


Bailey
Boychuck
Beach
Tedenby
Nemisz
Petrov
Colborne

Its Jobu.

No, it's Jofu. A guy a few of us know on another board who is a huge fan of Boychuk.

I would take a chance on Colbourne at 10th or at elast trade down a couple spots and pick Colbourne..


Bailey
Boychuck
Beach
Tedenby
Nemisz
Petrov
Colborne

Trade down if we want Colborne or Nemisz for sure.

I would not take a flyer on them at 10th.

I don't like Colbourne. Although I can easily see us taking him.

If the Boedker/Wilson/Hodgson trio are taken, I'd like us to pick Jordan Eberle, Michael Del Zotto, or Colton Teubert.

Zach Boychuk. People on here don't give him enough credit.

Reminds me too much of Gilbert Brule. A small guy that throws his body around against players his own age and smaller than in the NHL, but I question whether he'll be half as effective in the pro ranks. IMO, he could very well end up as an energy line player in the NHL.

If Hodgson/Boedker/Wilson are taken I'd take a look at Tyler Myers personally. That said, I think Myers will slip into the top 9, making one of the others available to the Canucks. I really see Phoenix taking Myers, they could use a big, defenseman with lots of potential.

I don't like Myers. Don't see a lot of skill there.

Reminds me too much of Gilbert Brule. A small guy that throws his body around against players his own age and smaller than in the NHL, but I question whether he'll be half as effective in the pro ranks. IMO, he could very well end up as an energy line player in the NHL.

If Hodgson/Boedker/Wilson are taken I'd take a look at Tyler Myers personally. That said, I think Myers will slip into the top 9, making one of the others available to the Canucks. I really see Phoenix taking Myers, they could use a big, defenseman with lots of potential.

I personally don't know what kind of ceiling Myers has. I think he'll end up being a Brad Ference type...picked high just because of his size.

I guess you could make a comparison between Boychuk and Brule. I really like Boychuk's skill and he's got a great shot. I think that, in the right situation, he could be a top 6 forward easily, but at worst he'll be a 3rd liner.

I personally don't know what kind of ceiling Myers has. I think he'll end up being a Brad Ference type...picked high just because of his size.

I guess you could make a comparison between Boychuk and Brule. I really like Boychuk's skill and he's got a great shot. I think that, in the right situation, he could be a top 6 forward easily, but at worst he'll be a 3rd liner.


Except Brad Ference was not as extraordinarily large as Myers is (6'7+).

And many were thrilled about Brule's skill and great shot too.

Except Brad Ference was not as extraordinarily large as Myers is (6'7+).

And many were thrilled about Brule's skill and great shot too.

Well yeah, I realize he's not exactly the same as Ference; however, I don't see much in Myers game that stands out except for his size.

I firmly believe that Brule's development has been seriously botched in Columbus. He needs a change of scenery.

Well yeah, I realize he's not exactly the same as Ference; however, I don't see much in Myers game that stands out except for his size.

I firmly believe that Brule's development has been seriously botched in Columbus. He needs a change of scenery.

Myers' solid skating ability for someone who is 6'7 helps him out.

Brule did not help himself by showing up to CBJ camp overweight and out of shape.

Myers' solid skating ability for someone who is 6'7 helps him out.

Brule did not help himself by showing up to CBJ camp overweight and out of shape.

The Blue Jackets have had how many early 1st round picks? I can think of one who really panned out as a superstar (Nash). I think it really says something about their development system that they could screw up so many high first round picks.

I believe in the proper system, Brule could have, and still could develop into the player he should be. Player development is an area that Gillis is looking to improve, so it could be a good place for Boychuk to develop.

The Blue Jackets have had how many early 1st round picks? I can think of one who really panned out as a superstar (Nash). I think it really says something about their development system that they could screw up so many high first round picks.

I believe in the proper system, Brule could have, and still could develop into the player he should be. Player development is an area that Gillis is looking to improve, so it could be a good place for Boychuk to develop.

What the hell were they thinking taking Alex Picard 8th. Reading Gare Joyce's book revealed that several teams had him down as a ND (No-Draft).

What the hell were they thinking taking Alex Picard 8th. Reading Gare Joyce's book revealed that several teams had him down as a ND (No-Draft).

Care to explain this little tidbit a little further?

What the hell were they thinking taking Alex Picard 8th. Reading Gare Joyce's book revealed that several teams had him down as a ND (No-Draft).

Well he's big. I mean, people want to draft Tyler Myers because he's big.

In all seriousness though, the Columbus Blue Jackets have seriously been mismanaged. I'm not even too sure about last years draft pick Jakub Voracek (although I will admit that I don't know a whole lot about him). IIRC there have been reports that he's slightly overweight and a little bit lazy. Maybe someone could confirm this?

But nonetheless, as I mentioned earlier, their player development has been poor. If Zach Boychuk went to Columbus you would see another Brule type situation. If he comes to Vancouver and we improve our player development as Gillis intends, then he could be a very very good pickup.

I hope we don't draft Boychuk...

Hodgson, Boedker or Wilson. There isn't a chance all three are gone at 10.

I hope we don't draft Boychuk...

Hodgson, Boedker or Wilson. There isn't a chance all three are gone at 10.

If the top 9 picks do not include Myers or Beach or some other unexpected pick, it is very possible that Hodgson, Boedker and Wilson will be gone when the Canucks pick at 10. I and a lot of people wouldn't pick Myers or Beach in the top 9. Maybe the teams picking before the Canucks will reach the same conclusion, and pass on a big "project" defenseman and a guy with attitude and concussion problems.

I hope we don't draft Boychuk...

Hodgson, Boedker or Wilson. There isn't a chance all three are gone at 10.

Sure there is.

If teams such as TO, Phoenix and Nashville prefer the forwards to the available defensemen, then Hodgson, Boedker and Wilson could all be off the board before we pick at #10.


Stamkos
Doughty
Bogosian
Filatov
Peterangelo
Schenn
Hodgson
Boedker
Wilson
Canucks choose here. Meyers or Beach are BPA. Beach has some question marks.


It is quite likely that Beach drops out of the top 10 and Meyers is probably the lowest ranked of Doughty, Bogosian, Peterangelo, Schenn and Meyers, but a 6'7" defenseman with his skill set is hard to pass on. Also keep in mind that LA, Atlanta, Columbus and Nashville who all pick before us also have 2 picks in the first round and so are more likely to take the BPA regardless of position with their first pick and more of a reach with their 2nd pick in the first round. Buffalo has 2 first rounders so could potentially trade up.

There are also some wild cards. If teams are convinced that Kirill Petrov is going to come to North America he could potentially go much higher than currently ranked.

Another factor for top 10 is the trend of late for top NCAA bound players from either Canadian Tier II junior programs or USNDP/USHL have tended to be late risers on draft rankings and have been picked higher of late. That could put guys like Colin Wilson and Joe Colborne much higher on teams ranking that many think. Wilson is clearly top 10 talent and Colborne probably isn't but you never know.

To have the best options at #10, the Canucks have to hope that Kyle Beach goes in the top 10 and/or that at least 3 defensemen go between #5 and #9. Or, I suppose that someone #1 through #9 makes a ridiculous reach.