Why is Kariya being booed?

Howdy... just flipping through the channels and I just noticed that Kariya's being booed every time he touches the puck... why is that? Did he do anything to piss off the Anaheim faithful?

(This is a legitimate question, I obviously don't follow the Ducks. =P)

Howdy... just flipping through the channels and I just noticed that Kariya's being booed every time he touches the puck... why is that? Did he do anything to piss off the Anaheim faithful?

(This is a legitimate question, I obviously don't follow the Ducks. =P)

He is a snake. Plain and simple.

I think for me, I still see Kariya as a Duck, so I was a little bit confused. He was with the Ducks for years and years, and was their first superstar (I think, at least). And that goal in the SC Finals, after the Scott Stevens hit, would seemingly make him a hero, regardless of whatever jersey he ended up as.

I mean sure, he bounced around to a few teams (Avs, Nashville, and St. Louis) afterwards, but he didn't have any sort of contract dispute or rip management or anything like that, did he?

I guess I'm just a little puzzled as to why Teemu is so beloved even though he left Anaheim a few times as well, and Kariya is not - I guess I always sort of saw them as a duo.

Howdy... just flipping through the channels and I just noticed that Kariya's being booed every time he touches the puck... why is that? Did he do anything to piss off the Anaheim faithful?

(This is a legitimate question, I obviously don't follow the Ducks. =P)

Went to the Cup finals with the Ducks in 2003, made 10 mil for that season. Was not qualified the next season (RFA) and supposedly there was a handshake deal between he and, at that time, GM Bryan Murray to re-sign for less. Kariya elected not to re-sign with the Ducks, instead signed with the Av's for just over $1 million. I think Murray said something like he could have signed Selanne and Kariya if he'd known that's all it would take to sign him.

I'd be okay, if he hadn't then said something to the effect of he wanted to go to a team that had a chance to win the Stanley Cup. This right after the Ducks had lost in game 7 of the Finals.

Hence the booing. I myself do not boo, and it has seemed to diminish in vitriol.

Anyways it all worked out. The Ducks won the Stanley Cup and Kariya is on a 14th place team.

Went to the Cup finals with the Ducks in 2003, made 10 mil for that season. Was not qualified the next season (RFA) and supposedly there was a handshake deal between he and, at that time, GM Bryan Murray. Kariya elected not to re-sign with the Ducks, instead signed with the Av's for just over $1 million.

I'd be okay, if he hadn't then said something to the effect of he wanted to go to a team that had a chance to win the Stanley Cup. This right after the Ducks had lost in game 7 of the Finals.

Hence the booing. I myself do not boo, and it has seemed to diminish in vitriol.

Didn't he also refuse to take a discount to bring Teemu back?

Didn't he also refuse to take a discount to bring Teemu back?

Could be. I don't specifically recall that though.

I thought he seduced Teemu at his hotel before the game. I guess I need better sources.

That goal after the Stevens hit was probably the only positive thing he did for the organization after like 2000.

As to "any sort of contract dispute," that's pretty all he's ever done every time his contract was up.

Oh, and he's a snake.

The difference between Teemu and Kariya, is that Teemu was traded away.

Ah, gotcha... much thanks!

Howdy... just flipping through the channels and I just noticed that Kariya's being booed every time he touches the puck... why is that? Did he do anything to piss off the Anaheim faithful?

(This is a legitimate question, I obviously don't follow the Ducks. =P)

I hope you didn't register at HF just to ask this question. Welcome nonetheless. Kariya went from HERO to ZERO after going back on a handshake deal between himself and Bryan Murray. To make matter worst, the Ducks missed the playoffs the next season and got stuck with Sergei Fedorov.

The difference between Teemu and Kariya, is that Teemu was traded away.

Sorry for another ignorant question...

Did anybody ever boo Teemu when he was with the Avs for that year (along with Kariya), or was it just limited to Kariya?

Teemu seems like a class guy - I remember his rookie year way back with the Jets; I can't imagine him "conspiring" with Kariya, given the way it seemed that the summer after the SCF appearance turned out.

Teemu was booed with the Av's. But then Burke brought him back and he's a hero again.

Lied to his fans faces and then ran away to a "Stanley Cup contender".

He's doing well in his chase for the cup.

Yeah. If anything he's going backwards.

Teemu only was booed because of Kariya being outpf the lineup with the Avs

I got a kick out of one of the signs at the game tonight. It read something like this:

Tickets: $100
Jersey: $200
Watching the Ducks win the Cup without Paul Kariya: Priceless

That pretty much sums up our feelings.

I got a kick out of one of the signs at the game tonight. It read something like this:

Tickets: $100
Jersey: $200
Watching the Ducks win the Cup without Paul Kariya: Priceless

That pretty much sums up our feelings.

Pretty much :yo:

I remember the season after he left, I hated him more than any other player. I remember going to the game when he first returned to the Pond (which the Ducks won in OT) and booing him like crazy. Now though, I don't really care. I guess just so much has changed for the Ducks since then (in the best possible way) that it's kind of pointless to have much resentment towards him, or hold grudges against him anymore. This team is so drastically different, not to mention infinite times better, from when he was here that I'd rather just forget about those days. Although, I must admit...deep down inside, I still do get some satisfaction knowing that his quest for a real contender has so far been in vain. :naughty:

I thought he seduced Teemu at his hotel before the game. I guess I need better sources.

What are you trying to say here Static??

Was it with champagne and caviar? A little Barry White on the stereo?:sarcasm:

Teemu only was booed because of Kariya being outpf the lineup with the Avs

Was he actually booed int he past?

Not that I remember.

I think we need someone to boo, since everyone else boo's Pronger.

Bring back Tverdovsky, somebody.

The "I wanted to play for a contender" comment was not the only one that removed paul as one of my favorites. Along with 7-8 million is not enough to stay with the ducks, at the rally after the game 7 loss he made a forceful statement "same time next year, same place, different results!!"

I guess he meant "a few months eariler next year time, different place, worse result".

The one that really got me was an interview he gave where he was questioned about staying with the ducks and stated "My father always told me to finish what I start" Implying that he started with the ducks and his work would not be done until he won the cup with them.

I did hear that there was some logic to the league minimum salary he signed in colorado. Something about he free agency status and possible new cba causing an incrase in salaries. I don't think that worked out for him either and he lost some cash.

I still boo him every now and then, but knowing that he has to look up and see that big orange Stanley Cup banner makes me smile so much more. If he wanted to come play for the Ducks again I would not mind at all...as long as it was for the league minimum. That is if he wants to play for a contender.

The "I wanted to play for a contender" comment was not the only one that removed paul as one of my favorites. Along with 7-8 million is not enough to stay with the ducks, at the rally after the game 7 loss he made a forceful statement "same time next year, same place, different results!!"

I guess he meant "a few months eariler next year time, different place, worse result".

The one that really got me was an interview he gave where he was questioned about staying with the ducks and stated "My father always told me to finish what I start" Implying that he started with the ducks and his work would not be done until he won the cup with them.

I did hear that there was some logic to the league minimum salary he signed in colorado. Something about he free agency status and possible new cba causing an incrase in salaries. I don't think that worked out for him either and he lost some cash.

I still boo him every now and then, but knowing that he has to look up and see that big orange Stanley Cup banner makes me smile so much more. If he wanted to come play for the Ducks again I would not mind at all...as long as it was for the league minimum. That is if he wants to play for a contender.
Yeah by being below the league average that year, he became an UFA the next year. I think he gave up money that year to join a stacked team, hoped for a Cup, then he could sign a big deal after the lockout, with the bonus of now being a Cup champ (= more $).

Kariya's all about the benjamins.

I did hear that there was some logic to the league minimum salary he signed in colorado. Something about he free agency status and possible new cba causing an incrase in salaries.

A Group V unrestricted free agent was (is?) a ten year vet making a salary lower than the league average. So to become one in Colorado - his 10th season - he needed to be making under 1.3 million.

He basically showed zero loyalty to a team and fans that paid him 60 or 70 million total so he could become some hired gun for a "real contender". Anaheim fans have every reason to hate the little PAB.

It probably has to do with the fact Anaheim paid Kariya boatloads of cash while he was there and when they decided not to match his 10M dollar deal(which he wasn't worth at the time) he ran to Colorado on a sweetheart deal.

It's one thing if he decided to go to a team offering him top dollar but by going to another team at such a drasticly reduced rate, it definantly looked like a slap in Anaheim's face.

Funny thing is he probably would have been better off taking a 5 year 40M dollar deal(which is what i am guessing he would have gotten) because even after the 24% paycut he would be making more then he is now.

Yeah by being below the league average that year, he became an UFA the next year. I think he gave up money that year to join a stacked team, hoped for a Cup, then he could sign a big deal after the lockout, with the bonus of now being a Cup champ (= more $).

Kariya's all about the benjamins.

Thing is he didn't even sign with the best team. Roy was gone, did he really think David Aebischer gave him the best shot at the Cup? No way. I think it was more about playing with Sakic/Forsberg, where he figured he could leech off them and put up huge stats, then cash in the next summer. A Cup would have been a bonus, but if it had really been mostly about the Cup there were better teams to go to ... of course most of the best teams were defensive-minded and wouldn't have let him pad his stats by floating.

But you're right, it's definitely about the money for him. If it weren't about the money, why sign a one-year deal with the Avs that would make him UFA again the next summer to cash in, when he could have signed a multi-year deal with a contender and taken multiple cracks at the Cup? And then he goes and signs with the Preds and Blues? No real chance at a Cup there, he went for the highest bidder, obviously.

Of course at this point, even without the history I wouldn't take him back. He's a soft perimeter player with poor defensive commitment, and declining skills.

I'm actually kinda glad he left when he did, because I don't think we would have won a Cup with him. Without Kariya, we were able to sign Sergei Fedorov. Then, we were able to trade Sergei for Beauchemin and Marchant (ok, claim him off waivers, but still). Both of whom were major parts of our Cup win.

But oh well, I booed him up until we won. We have our Cup, where's his? :sarcasm:

Teams do what's best for their bottom line all the time, why shouldn't the players? As for for Kariya being all about the money, again, isn't that what the owners are in it for?

Teams do what's best for their bottom line all the time, why shouldn't the players? As for for Kariya being all about the money, again, isn't that what the owners are in it for?

It was the reasoning behind it and the year he left was not about 'money'. We would not give him 10M, but I am sure there was a 6/7M offer on the table. He turned that down to sign for much less with the Avs to 'get a chance at the cup'. Fans feel he turned his back on the team to take Millions less to go to another team. Little early in his career to 'chase the cup'.

no one "really" knows about why Kariya left the team.. it is all speculation
some said that the Ducks didn't want to get Teemu and since they use the same agent as Forseberg, they were able to sign with the Avs

Paul Kariya was my favorite Duck and is still my favorite player not on this team. When he left I was crushed, especially since he reunited with Teemu. But look at where we are now. Kariya leaving set in motion a chain of events that led to us winning the Cup.

But Kariya left for more than just the money. He didn't want to be the man on this team anymore. After Teemu got traded Kariya became THE guy and was getting paid bookoo for it. He wanted to win a Cup badly and bought into a system that he hated to do it and they still didn't win it. He didn't want the pressure that huge contract anymore and he wanted to play somewhere that complimented his talents. Murray let him go. I don't buy this handshake crap because if Murray wasn't certain he was going to re-sign Kariya he wouldn't have let him go. I think he wanted Fedorov anyway. Kariya didn't fit anymore. He had a good season assist wise but you could tell he hated playing in Mike Babcocks system. But he was a free agent. He went to a team that fit him better. He wanted to win the Cup and come on we all know that that run wasn't going to be replicated in 04.

But I know he said one thing and did another. I know he always said that he dreamed of winning the Cup in Anaheim. But he didn't expect to be a free agent when he was 28. He figured he would have been around for a few more years at least. He was let go, he could have done whatever he wanted. It sucks that he left but imagine he re-signed for like 5 years. Would we have been able to get Scotty in 05? Would we have eventually acquired Pronger? Would we have been able to keep Jiggy? Letting him go was the best thing to happen to this team. Plus signing Fedorov led to getting Frankie and Marchy and freeing up all that money to afford Pronger.

But it's been five years. We won the Cup he didn't. This team is the team I've always wanted to root for and don't feel like wasting my time booing a player. No one ever has to like the guy but booing him is beneath us. He did so much for this franchise that we focus on the one, albeit big, negetive thing he did that actually put us on the path to a championship. He was our first ever draft pick and our leading scorer for the majority of our history and led us to within a game of the Cup. I way his achievements over his mistakes. I don't expect anyone else too but booing him has gotten old.

He did so much for this franchise that we focus on the one, albeit big, negetive thing he did that actually put us on the path to a championship.
To me it is 2 things:
1) his contract holdout for more money
2) leaving the team to play for much less money elsewhere

Those 2 things combined make me think he never really wanted to be here...and that is why I do not like him.

To me it is 2 things:
1) his contract holdout for more money
2) leaving the team to play for much less money elsewhere

Those 2 things combined make me think he never really wanted to be here...and that is why I do not like him.

Yes. And I would add that he kept signing one-year contracts. Teemu also does this, but it's different with Teemu because of his age and the stage of his career. Teemu is 37 and doesn't want to overcommit himself. Kariya on the other hand was in his mid-twenties; he signed one-year contracts the last couple of years he was in Anaheim and that says to me he wasn't going to commit himself to this organization.

no one "really" knows about why Kariya left the team.. it is all speculation
some said that the Ducks didn't want to get Teemu and since they use the same agent as Forseberg, they were able to sign with the Avs

We don't know 100% what happened, but Randy Youngman followed up his Kariya interview with one with Bryan Murray sometime after the 2003-04 season just started and Murray said he and Kariya did discuss restructuring Kariya's contract so that Murray could go after another scorer. Murray said something about the budget and how they would like to get another scorer, someone "like your friend/pal Selanne." And then Murray said Kariya said, "I understand, I understand." So while it may not have gone as far as a verbal agreement or even a handshake, it sounds like Kariya led Murray to believe he was at least open to the idea. But I doubt Kariya ever really was, or had any intention of staying with the Ducks. Kariya later even said that he and Teemu had talked about what they might do when they became free agents. He said if it didn't work out with Colorado, they would have tried Detroit. And Murray wasn't happy with how it all fell out. Murray may have gambled, but somehow I doubt he would have taken such the huge gamble of losing his best player unless he genuinely thought they could have worked something out.

Here's a portion of Youngman's interview with Murray posted by Jerky Leclerc (unfortunately the link to the OC Register is dead).

Traitorious Rat EXPOSED! Its about time.


ANAHEIM – Mighty Ducks general manager Bryan Murray makes it clear he doesn't want to get into a war of words with former Ducks captain Paul Kariya.

Murray says he always had a good working relationship with Kariya, first as his coach then as GM, and that he respected Kariya's decision to sign with the Colorado Avalanche after the Ducks made him an unrestricted free agent by declining to make the minimum qualifying offer by July 1.

But Murray was puzzled by a few comments made by Kariya in this space Monday, so he wanted to set the record straight about conversations he had with Kariya - and with Don Baizley, Kariya's agent - in the weeks leading to the departure of the leading scorer in franchise history.

"When we didn't qualify him, Paul was free to make any decision he wanted to make," Murray said Friday during the Ducks-Kings exhibition game at The Pond. "I understood that."

What Murray didn't understand was Kariya telling me he was "surprised, for sure" by the Ducks' decision not to make him a $10 million qualifying offer. That's because Murray said he had told player and agent his plan to bring back Kariya at a reduced salary and use the money saved to try to sign free agent Teemu Selanne, Kariya's former linemate and longtime friend.

Murray wasn't allowed to use Selanne's name at the time, because Teemu didn't become an unrestricted free agent until July 1, but all parties knew that was Anaheim's primary offseason target. Conveniently, Baizley also represents Selanne.

Read the rest here if you can loggin:

http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/oc...month=10&day=5

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=15252&page=2

But Kariya left for more than just the money. He didn't want to be the man on this team anymore. After Teemu got traded Kariya became THE guy and was getting paid bookoo for it.

Wrong. Kariya was getting paid 10 million long before Teemu got traded and the main factor that led to the trade was the team couldn't afford 19 million invested in only two players. Teemu was set to make 9 million the following year.

Kariya wanted The Man's salary, but didn't want to BE THE MAN. You can't have it both ways.

He wanted to win the Cup and come on we all know that that run wasn't going to be replicated in 04.

BS. If it hadn't been for the turmoil the roster shake up induced the Ducks would have been fine in 2004.

Paul Kariya was my favorite Duck and is still my favorite player not on this team. When he left I was crushed, especially since he reunited with Teemu. But look at where we are now. Kariya leaving set in motion a chain of events that led to us winning the Cup.

But Kariya left for more than just the money. He didn't want to be the man on this team anymore. After Teemu got traded Kariya became THE guy and was getting paid bookoo for it. He wanted to win a Cup badly and bought into a system that he hated to do it and they still didn't win it. He didn't want the pressure that huge contract anymore and he wanted to play somewhere that complimented his talents. Murray let him go. I don't buy this handshake crap because if Murray wasn't certain he was going to re-sign Kariya he wouldn't have let him go. I think he wanted Fedorov anyway. Kariya didn't fit anymore. He had a good season assist wise but you could tell he hated playing in Mike Babcocks system. But he was a free agent. He went to a team that fit him better. He wanted to win the Cup and come on we all know that that run wasn't going to be replicated in 04.

But I know he said one thing and did another. I know he always said that he dreamed of winning the Cup in Anaheim. But he didn't expect to be a free agent when he was 28. He figured he would have been around for a few more years at least. He was let go, he could have done whatever he wanted. It sucks that he left but imagine he re-signed for like 5 years. Would we have been able to get Scotty in 05? Would we have eventually acquired Pronger? Would we have been able to keep Jiggy? Letting him go was the best thing to happen to this team. Plus signing Fedorov led to getting Frankie and Marchy and freeing up all that money to afford Pronger.

But it's been five years. We won the Cup he didn't. This team is the team I've always wanted to root for and don't feel like wasting my time booing a player. No one ever has to like the guy but booing him is beneath us. He did so much for this franchise that we focus on the one, albeit big, negetive thing he did that actually put us on the path to a championship. He was our first ever draft pick and our leading scorer for the majority of our history and led us to within a game of the Cup. I way his achievements over his mistakes. I don't expect anyone else too but booing him has gotten old.


Well Said!!!!!!

Regarding Babcocks system = playing as a two player, which he did not like to do (me backcheck???? I'm a scorer not a backchecker), but the system worked and worked well........

We don't know 100% what happened, but Randy Youngman followed up his Kariya interview with one with Bryan Murray sometime after the 2003-04 season just started and Murray said he and Kariya did discuss restructuring Kariya's contract so that Murray could go after another scorer. Murray said something about the budget and how they would like to get another scorer, someone "like your friend/pal Selanne." And then Murray said Kariya said, "I understand, I understand." So while it may not have gone as far as a verbal agreement or even a handshake, it sounds like Kariya led Murray to believe he was at least open to the idea. But I doubt Kariya ever really was, or had any intention of staying with the Ducks. Kariya later even said that he and Teemu had talked about what they might do when they became free agents. He said if it didn't work out with Colorado, they would have tried Detroit. And Murray wasn't happy with how it all fell out. Murray may have gambled, but somehow I doubt he would have taken such the huge gamble of losing his best player unless he genuinely thought they could have worked something out.
yea who knows
but since then, we've had an incredible run..
2 SC runs with 1 championship
gotta love it..

would have loved to see Carney and Rucchin lift the cup tho..
btw, Kariya is my all time Ducks fav..

He was a backstabbing chicken. /thread

no one "really" knows about why Kariya left the team.. it is all speculation
some said that the Ducks didn't want to get Teemu and since they use the same agent as Forseberg, they were able to sign with the Avs

No this is not true. Murray offered Selanne and Kariya a combined salary that was more than they made in Avalance. It was the biggest reason why he was so peeved.

Kariya & Selanne supposedl agreed that Colorado was the best place to play hockey.

By leaving Anaheim, Kariya went from franchise player to mercenary. Sad but he made the wrong career move. Fortunately for us, his departure led us to bottom out the next year, causing Disney to dump the franchise to the Samuelis and Brian Burke.

The reason why Kariya left isn't the issue. Its the manner from which displayed his character or lack of. He acted surprised that the Ducks didn't qualify him at 10 million dollars when Bryan Murray had indeed spoken to him about coming back for less so they could bring Teemu into the fold. As team captain, franchise player, and face of this organization (ala Mats Sundin, Joe Sakic, Steve Yzerman, etc.), Kariya jumped ship without being honest about his intention. The Ducks found out along with the rest of the league that he had signed a contract with Colorado.

His decision was a slap in the face of the organization who had paid him tens of millions, the fans who ignore his character flaws and supported him for 10 years, and Bryan Murray who now looked incompetant. Essentially, he gave us the bird.

Now the reason. My speculation is a combination of a few of the following issues.

1) Mike Babcock's defensive system.
2) JS Giguere overshadowing our great captain.
3) He never enjoyed playing in Anaheim.
4) Money (he would have made bank if Colorado had won the Cup)

Now the reason. My speculation is a combination of a few of the following issues.

1) Mike Babcock's defensive system.
2) JS Giguere overshadowing our great captain.
3) He never enjoyed playing in Anaheim.
4) Money (he would have made bank if Colorado had won the Cup)

OOOOO the irony :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

4) Money (he would have made bank if Colorado had won the Cup)

To be fair, he's still making a comparatively high salary in St.Louis. He had his chance last off-season to prove that he really wanted to chase a Cup, and we're to believe that he chose the Blues for reasons other than financial concern? What if Detroit, Dallas, Anaheim.. whomever, just a team with a better shot than the Blues had offered him $4-5 million instead of the $6 million he took to play in St.Louis? My gut tells me he'd still be wearing blue this season. I don't personally hate him, I just think his motives as a hockey player are questionable (i.e. if he really does want a Cup).

He was a backstabbing chicken. /thread

I like to think he is more weasel than chicken

BS. If it hadn't been for the turmoil the roster shake up induced the Ducks would have been fine in 2004.

I will never, ever, eveveveveveveeva refer to our Cup in 03 a fluke but everything had to go just right that year. I watched 20 of the 21 playoff games that year many many times (I **** up recording Game 6 against Dallas, best friggin game of the whole playoffs!) and I can tell you something like that couldn't be replicated, it couldn't.

Turmoil or not not we lost a lot more than just Kariya that formed the chemistry of that team. Leclerc and Byslma were basically out all year. Oatsie and Stumpy were gone. Chistov was a one-year wonder. Rooch was playing on one leg all year. Jiggy had a shakey start after a short summer. Kariya wouldn't have done much better than Fedorov. In fact, I think Fedorov did much better than Kariya would have. I mean, it's all speculation if we have been any better had he stayed but there was no way we would have done it again. There's a new Cinderella each year and those slippers weren't meant for us.

I like to think he is more weasel than chicken

i think he's like a weasel/snake then..he's more a chicken now..
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