Das Uber 03-02-2008, 01:25 PM http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/politi/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1204436179218650.xml&coll=1&thispage=1
Good read. I'm willing to bet that Sutter will be Lou's replacement.
Clarkson Falls Down 03-02-2008, 01:28 PM I read that too. They are on the same page with basically everything. Hopefully, over the next few year's Sutter and will Lou will begin to shape this team the way they want it. With hard working agressive guys. We still aren't there in that aspect yet.
JJL185 03-02-2008, 01:54 PM I honestly believe Sutter was hired with the idea of him being the future GM. This past draft leaned toward bigger players, at least more than usual. And yes, this team is not quite there yet but I expect a sizeable change this summer.
fortheloveof666 03-02-2008, 01:56 PM Sutter will never be our GM.
TheDevilMadeMe 03-02-2008, 02:23 PM Sutter will never be our GM.
Thanks for clearing that up. Can you post tomorrow's lottery numbers?
fortheloveof666 03-02-2008, 02:26 PM Thanks for clearing that up. Can you post tomorrow's lottery numbers?
yeah go **** yourself ;)
I'm just sayin, being GM is a 365 job, he clearly wants time to be back with his family, as coach he can get that, as GM, not so much. Also remember him saying a big selling point to coming here this season was the fact he'd be home for the holidays. I'm not saying I'd be surprised if he was Lou's next guy, but it's also about whether or not Sutter wants it.
Darius Dangleaitis 03-02-2008, 02:54 PM Chris Lamoriello?
DevilBesideYou 03-02-2008, 02:58 PM What about Conte?
Anyway, good read. I <3 Sutter too.
guyincognito 03-02-2008, 03:02 PM yeah go **** yourself ;)
I'm just sayin, being GM is a 365 job, he clearly wants time to be back with his family, as coach he can get that, as GM, not so much. Also remember him saying a big selling point to coming here this season was the fact he'd be home for the holidays. I'm not saying I'd be surprised if he was Lou's next guy, but it's also about whether or not Sutter wants it.
Well, if he wears all the hats, like Lou does, he'd be making so much money he could move the ranch out into the NW sticks of Jersey.
Also, GM is more absentee than coach, that's for sure. Sather has fallen off the face of the earth a few times during his tenure, for example.
Das Uber 03-02-2008, 03:03 PM yeah go **** yourself ;)
I'm just sayin, being GM is a 365 job, he clearly wants time to be back with his family, as coach he can get that, as GM, not so much. Also remember him saying a big selling point to coming here this season was the fact he'd be home for the holidays. I'm not saying I'd be surprised if he was Lou's next guy, but it's also about whether or not Sutter wants it.
It's called moving. I'm sure Sutter will relocate his family to NJ on a more permanent basis to be an NHL GM.
When the Islanders came calling a few years ago, Sutter had insisted on being the general manager, too, if he took the job.
He was one of the most sought after coaches before we landed him. Hell, Lou and Vanderbeek were pursuing him for a couple of years before they finally got him to come aboard. I'm sure he turned down coaching offers from other teams that may have been closer to Red Deer, offered more money, had a better roster to work with, etc. But he chose NJ of all places for a reason.
"I felt in the first five or 10 minutes that everything that I had hoped I would feel was real," Lamoriello said. It wasn't just what Sutter said during those first minutes. It was what the Devils boss saw, from the immaculate office of an admitted perfectionist to the struggling team he rebuilt into a winner.
Talking about a shared philosophy is one thing. Seeing it in action is another, and Lamoriello saw how Sutter had a hand in every detail with his team, from the pro-style dressing room he built to the insistence that the players stay at the nicest hotels. Sutter had created the mini Devils in the Canadian tundra: A team without stars built around a defense-first system.
Why would Lou give a crap how Sutter managed the Rebels if he was only interested in him as a coach?
Classic Devil 03-02-2008, 04:31 PM I too believe Sutter is the heir apparent for the Devils GM position.
Devilswede 03-02-2008, 05:06 PM Sutter is a teacher..he loves being with players and loves to coach them. I know he was Mr.Everything in Red Deer, but I don't think he'll be our GM when Lou decides to retire.
I believe it will be Conte. We're talking about Lou and Sutter's similarities...but Conte and Lou are also similar and have been managing this organization together for many years now.
Conte knows how this organization works and is one of the main reasons why it works so well. He doesn't get enough credit for they way he's helped Lou manage this organization .
jkrdevil 03-02-2008, 05:21 PM Sutter is a teacher..he loves being with players and loves to coach them. I know he was Mr.Everything in Red Deer, but I don't think he'll be our GM when Lou decides to retire.
I believe it will be Conte. We're talking about Lou and Sutter's similarities...but Conte and Lou are also similar and have been managing this organization together for many years now.
Conte knows how this organization works and is one of the main reasons why it works so well. He doesn't get enough credit for they way he's helped Lou manage this organization .
The question is does Conte even want the job? I would have to assume he has been offered other GM jobs around the league and has turned them down.
Das Uber 03-02-2008, 05:26 PM Sutter is a teacher..he loves being with players and loves to coach them. I know he was Mr.Everything in Red Deer, but I don't think he'll be our GM when Lou decides to retire.
I believe it will be Conte. We're talking about Lou and Sutter's similarities...but Conte and Lou are also similar and have been managing this organization together for many years now.
Conte knows how this organization works and is one of the main reasons why it works so well. He doesn't get enough credit for they way he's helped Lou manage this organization .
I don't think Conte wants to be a GM. I've heard he gets paid as much as a GM and he's turned down offers to be a GM before.
JerryGigantic 03-02-2008, 05:32 PM The question is does Conte even want the job? I would have to assume he has been offered other GM jobs around the league and has turned them down.
I don't think Conte wants to be a GM. I've heard he gets paid as much as a GM and he's turned down offers to be a GM before.
...beacuse he is waiting for this GM job. Which may have already been promised him (hence the larger salary to keep him here...)
Devilswede 03-02-2008, 05:40 PM Yeah...he's probably waiting for this job. It's about the right situation for him. He gets paid good money here and he's important to the Devils.
Sutter was sought after by many teams the last few years, including the Devils but didn't want the jobs until the right situation presented itself. It's all about the setting and the timing.
I believe Conte is our future GM.
Das Uber 03-02-2008, 05:46 PM ...beacuse he is waiting for this GM job. Which may have already been promised him (hence the larger salary to keep him here...)
I find that hard to believe considering he's been director of scouting for like 15 years. If he really wanted to be an NHL GM he would have jumped at the first opportunity he got.
Feed Me A Stray Cat 03-02-2008, 06:44 PM I don't think Conte wants to be a GM. I've heard he gets paid as much as a GM and he's turned down offers to be a GM before.
Because he wants to stay in New Jersey?
NJDevs26 03-02-2008, 06:52 PM I think Conte's getting paid as much as if not more than most GM's. If you had a choice between two jobs that both pay the same and one of which you have security in (and the other you don't) which one do you think you'd take?
Not to mention being a scout is more under-the-radar and less stressful than being the GM and point-person for decisions.
Jonathan. 03-02-2008, 07:16 PM I think Conte's getting paid as much as if not more than most GM's. If you had a choice between two jobs that both pay the same and one of which you have security in (and the other you don't) which one do you think you'd take?
Not to mention being a scout is more under-the-radar and less stressful than being the GM and point-person for decisions.
Less stressful? Not really. You have to travel constantly, you have little to no real life and family time, etc etc. Being a scout is not a cushy job. I'd say that becoming a top elite level scout is harder and more stressful than becoming a top elite level GM.
GentlemanOfLeisure 03-02-2008, 07:17 PM Next Devil GM.
Martin Brodeur. 2013
Devilswede 03-02-2008, 07:20 PM Next Devil GM.
Martin Brodeur. 2013
He will still be playing by then. Change it to 2020..
Cole435 03-02-2008, 07:23 PM pfft.
It's just a smoke screen
Lou will be back behind the bench in 2 weeks
GentlemanOfLeisure 03-02-2008, 07:26 PM He will still be playing by then. Change it to 2020..
Player/GM
vadvlfan 03-02-2008, 07:59 PM Sutter was hired knowing full well he will have lou;s job. he'll have a heavy hand at the draft table this year. lou will kick himself upstairs and let brent step right up.
And don't be so enamoured with conte, we haven't had a decent crop of drafties aside from zack, & zajac. Our triple "A " team has no one ready for even spot duty. What does that say about our drafting in the last few years?? Most were/are busts.
Sutter wouldn't have come here just to coach.
Devilsfan92 03-02-2008, 08:16 PM i say we sign Sutter to a A.O or a R.D. contract 12-15 years:naughty: :yo:
LETS GO DEVILS :devdance:
fluffernutter mf 03-02-2008, 09:17 PM And don't be so enamoured with conte, we haven't had a decent crop of drafties aside from zack, & zajac. Our triple "A " team has no one ready for even spot duty. What does that say about our drafting in the last few years?? Most were/are busts.
I think the problem is more of the sucky system in Lowell then poor drafting.
Classic Devil 03-02-2008, 09:20 PM I think the problem is more of the sucky system in Lowell then poor drafting.
Bingo.
We've also given youngsters fewer chances on our fourth line in recent years than we used to, thanks you an excess of veteran depth. I'm not sure what to do about that.
guyincognito 03-02-2008, 09:59 PM Bingo.
We've also given youngsters fewer chances on our fourth line in recent years than we used to, thanks you an excess of veteran depth. I'm not sure what to do about that.
We really don't have that many young players that could step in, though.
Lowell is a disaster, but it's kind of a chicken/egg arguement. Is it a disaster because the system is a failure, or is it a disaster because there aren't enough "blue chippers" for it to be a legitimate developmental team, instead of a dumping ground for relatives of Devils players and bad contracts/shot players that are supposed to be down there help growth.
Even on the Devils, correct me if I'm wrong, but before Pelley got sent down, didn't we have as many undrafted UFA's (Pelley/Clarkson/Greene) as we did recent Devils draftees (Martin/Zajac/Parise) on the roster? And putting Martin as "recent" is a stretch.
That's a big positive in not making any dumb deadline moves, we keep the picks intact and hopefully the current crop of prospects can work their way into Lowell, with the addition of a (hopefully) good draft this year and beyond, the system could actually be repaired.
vadvlfan 03-03-2008, 08:30 AM Lowell's "system" should be a reflection of ours. If indeed someone get called up, the system is familiar. Lou has 28 players in lowell. 8 of which sit in the stands every night.
this imo doesn't help in their developement especially with young euros.
I think our scouting needs some new blood.
MoonDragn 03-03-2008, 09:02 AM http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/politi/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1204436179218650.xml&coll=1&thispage=1
Good read. I'm willing to bet that Sutter will be Lou's replacement.
Somebody needs a better editor. Theres like 2 paragraphs that are repeated in that article.
Richer's Ghost 03-03-2008, 09:08 AM Don't worry folks, Lowell will be stocked with talent in another 4-5 years when we begin the 'next phase' of the Devils franchise in the post-Marty era and begin rebuilding in all areas.
We'll be trading away UFA's for draft picks like they're canned food as we head into the nuclear bunker while the sky is littered with missiles like a big game of missile command.
Time enough at last...
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britdevil 03-03-2008, 09:13 AM I had the top score on the Missle Command machine in my hometown arcade. Sweet game. More of a pacman man myself though.
Semak20 03-03-2008, 09:23 AM I think the problem is more of the sucky system in Lowell then poor drafting.
Bingo.
We've also given youngsters fewer chances on our fourth line in recent years than we used to, thanks you an excess of veteran depth. I'm not sure what to do about that.
That's what I'm saying. No way this team drafting and scouting goes into a 5-7 year slump like it has. Not every player makes it, but geez most of those picks were bad after being one of the best in the league at drafting for a good stretch?:shakehead
Sutter wouldn't have come if there wasn't a possible bigger future for him here.
MoonDragn 03-03-2008, 09:27 AM Yeah what is with our system in Lowell? We got a ton of washed out veterans sitting there taking time away from our prospects who should be playing there and getting ready to move up to the big times. Its not like these veterans are giving Lowell a chance to win as I think Lowell is close to last place.
Richer's Ghost 03-03-2008, 09:35 AM I had the top score on the Missle Command machine in my hometown arcade. Sweet game. More of a pacman man myself though.
Galaga FTW.
4th bonus stage is a killer...
MoonDragn 03-03-2008, 09:36 AM I used to hold the top spot in my college on the Karate champ game. beat the thing past the first two stages.
JerryGigantic 03-03-2008, 11:15 AM Robotron. I was the local hero on that game...waaaaaay back in the day.
ghoti 03-03-2008, 12:02 PM Player/GM
Now what kind of stupid organization would take a goalie from their active roster and make him the GM?
AfroThunder396 03-03-2008, 12:17 PM Now what kind of stupid organization would take a goalie from their active roster and make him the GM?
:isles
Mr Bojanglez 03-03-2008, 04:43 PM i'm just commenting to say all i saw was the thread description, and knew weeonta started it. You silly lil' fellah
Randal Graves 03-03-2008, 07:07 PM Yeah...he's probably waiting for this job. It's about the right situation for him. He gets paid good money here and he's important to the Devils.
Sutter was sought after by many teams the last few years, including the Devils but didn't want the jobs until the right situation presented itself. It's all about the setting and the timing.
I believe Conte is our future GM.
I agree completely. If he leaves in the next 2 years it will only be because Lou told him he won't be getting the job. Then it's likely Sutter over his son Chris.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lou hasn't already fielded calls about Conte from the Maple Leafs. If Burke doesn't take that job Conte could be on their shortlist.
Randal Graves 03-03-2008, 07:09 PM :isles
To be fair, Snow hasn't been that compared to the guy he replaced (and I'm not talking about Neil Smith). Although, a blind squirrel may be better than Mad Mike because I don't recall Millbury ever finding a "nut" in his GM career.
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:lol: I think we're all going to contemplate that once Marty retires
Trade#5 03-03-2008, 07:10 PM I think Lou is actually scared of Sutter
Das Uber 03-03-2008, 07:43 PM I think Lou is actually scared of Sutter
You also think we should trade #5...
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