Ray Whitney to Vancouver (Proposal)

To Vancouver
Ray Whitney

To Carolina
2nd Rounder
2nd Rounder '09

Apparently we don't have a 2nd rounder this year

pretty good proposal, i guess

Ray Whitney to Vancouver? What is this, 2003?

Ray Whitney to Vancouver? What is this, 2003?
despite that he still has 54 points in 58 games, i dont see why not

despite that he still has 54 points in 58 games, i dont see why not

Ray Whitney to Vancouver was an old cliche rumour circa 2003. Almost as cliche as Brent Sopel for JP Dumont.

Would someone care to enlighten me as to why Carolina would ship their leading scorer to the Canucks for a couple second round picks?

Would someone care to enlighten me as to why Carolina would ship their leading scorer to the Canucks for a couple second round picks?

Because Vancouver needs scoring.

Because Vancouver needs scoring.

:thumbu:

How many points does Whitney have against teams outside of the Southeast division?

How many points does Whitney have against teams outside of the Southeast division?

34 points in 39 games

Really funny, because I was going to make a thread trading for Ray Whitney. He's 35, but I think is alot better then all of the other wingers we've picked up in past deadlines (Sanderson, Rucinsky).

Great idea. Let's make our team smaller so they'll get pushed around easier.

Matt Cooke and 1st rounder for Ray Whitney

I'll eat my hat if we trade our 1st for a 35 year old who we'd be paying 3.5m to for two years after this one.

And I really like my hat.

I'll eat my hat if we trade our 1st for a 35 year old who we'd be paying 3.5m to for two years after this one.

And I really like my hat.

Is it one of those tortilla sombreros with salsa in the top part?

Nonis would have done that deal if it was 1993

I'll eat my hat if we trade our 1st for a 35 year old who we'd be paying 3.5m to for two years after this one.

And I really like my hat.

I would have absolutely no problem with giving up our late 1st rd pick for Ray Whitney. The wizard is a very underrated player and instantly makes us a much better team. 7 million over the next 2 years wouldn't deter me for a minute.

Whitney wouldn't really make us a much smaller team. If Ray comes in you can be sure Shannon would be gone.

I cant believe people are scoffing at this idea, this guy would be a great addition to the team. However i think his value is more than two 2nd rounders

ya of course i would do that

bad.

Whitney is a great guy to go after, but not the kind of player you toss assets like a #1 draft pick at, especially not this years' draft. He seems to like playing out East a lot more anyways.

We cant draft anyways.. might as well give the picks away

We cant draft anyways.. might as well give the picks away


Yeah.

Kesler
Edler
Bourdon
Raymond

All terrible players.

despite that he still has 54 points in 58 games, i dont see why not

Ya that is for the offensive minded Carolina Hurricanes. For the Canucks Im sure his stats would be different.

I would still do that trade though.

Yeah.

Kesler
Edler
Bourdon
Raymond

All terrible players.

Throw in Schneider, and you just named our ONLY good draft picks in the last what.....8 years??

I don't know if Raymond can be considered a good draft pick yet...still quite unproven. And, I would prefer Kopitar over Bourdon.

Throw in Schneider, and you just named our ONLY good draft picks in the last what.....8 years??

I don't know if Raymond can be considered a good draft pick yet...still quite unproven. And, I would prefer Kopitar over Bourdon.

there's no denying the draft has improved for the canucks over the years. And yes, I'd rather have Kopitar as well... so would 10 other teams that passed on him in 2005. The only player better in that draft is Crosby.

other picks in the last 5 years - Hansen and Grabner are both developing well in the minors... McIver and Brown were picked late and is already a successful pick having played in the NHL.... if you want to go back 8 years you can also throw Bieksa into the mix..

Canucks drafting history isn't good... but there's no denying they've been decent in the past few years.

Because Vancouver needs scoring.

I'll repeat my question... why would Carolina do this deal? They have their top scoring player locked up for another 2 years at a very reasonable contract. Post this trade proposal on the Canes board and they would laugh at you.

Yeah.

Kesler
Edler
Bourdon
Raymond

All terrible players.

Edler is solid. Kesler is replaceable IMO...he's solid for what he does on the ice but they're tons of players like him out there.

But our drafting is so putrid your arguement has no foundation.

I dont think Carolina would do this... maybe if you change the 2nd to Bourdon they will be interested.

I dont think Carolina would do this... maybe if you change the 2nd to Bourdon they will be interested.

Ya it would have to make sense for them and the current proposal, while it isn't terrible, doesn't make sense. They'd need something tangible.

Ray Whitney is a very skilled offensive player. He often flies under the radar in a game, but if he gets the puck in the offensive zone is dangerous. This is a pretty good fit in the canucks lineup and if you could get it done for Bourdon and a 2nd, you'd have to consider it. He does lack size and grit that the canucks also need, but he is still an effective player. I'm not sure I'd give away a quality prospect like bourdon for a player of Whitney's age though.

Edler is solid. Kesler is replaceable IMO...he's solid for what he does on the ice but they're tons of players like him out there.

Like who?

Like who?

That's my question, too.
People on these boards underrate Kesler by a mile.
He is second in ice time/game amongst Canuck forwards (just behind Henrik and just ahead of Daniel, way ahead of everyone else).
Presumably, Vigneault plays the guys he feels can do the most to help his team win.
I'm not sure who is out there who can do Kesler's job as well as Ryan, for a reasonable salary.

Like who?

There are lots in the NHL...I'm not up for doing a list right now but in reality finding a Kesler in a draft is much easier for any team than finding a Jokinen, especially us.

Kesler as good as he is defensively is not in a league of his own by any means

Would someone care to enlighten me as to why Carolina would ship their leading scorer to the Canucks for a couple second round picks?

it is not why they panthers would do--they would give Staal to the canucs cause a fan may want him.

Never mind the fact that the panthers are in the playoffs and just lost one of the key guys to the team in the body--

I think that the price for Whitney would be far too high.

He would be a great addition to the team though, despite his size.

I think that the price for Whitney would be far too high.

He would be a great addition to the team though, despite his size.

I dunno... I haven't seen him play the right wing enough to really know how effective he would be there, but he is a career left winger, a left handed shot, and despite his scoring, is still an undersized player signed for another year at $3.55mill.

to me, that seems like a pretty big risk considering what we already have on our roster (a bunch of other small left handed players that don't bring much physical presence at all in the top 6).

I just don't see him as a great fit on this team, in our system, in a tougher/grittier division, on a team that is lacking size in the top 6, and has enough left wingers moved out of their natural position as it is.

it is not why they panthers would do--they would give Staal to the canucs cause a fan may want him.

Never mind the fact that the panthers are in the playoffs and just lost one of the key guys to the team in the body--

Yeah, but look at what the Panthers had to give up to get Staal and Whitney from the Hurricanes - the question is: why would they turn around and trade them to the Canucks?

S_C

There are lots in the NHL...I'm not up for doing a list right now but in reality finding a Kesler in a draft is much easier for any team than finding a Jokinen, especially us.

Kesler as good as he is defensively is not in a league of his own by any means
I highly doubt he's the type of guy that is that easily drafted. A shutdown center, good of faceoffs, scoring at just under a 20 goal pace are NOT a "dime a dozen" type of player IMHO.

Of course a Jokinen type is harder to draft - he's a legit #1 center (who incidently has below average playmaking ability and is medicore in faceoffs).

Apparently we don't have a 2nd rounder this year

What did we do with our second?

Shy.

What did we do with our second?

Shy.

Not sure...there was a big discussion about that in the Prospects thread

Just that Nonis said that on the radio

I'm not a big fan of Whitney but if we could get him for a couple of 2nd round picks and a prospect (not Bourdon or Edler) I might not mind it. I would still prefer Hunter over Whitney.

I'm not a big fan of Whitney but if we could get him for a couple of 2nd round picks and a prospect (not Bourdon or Edler) I might not mind it. I would still prefer Hunter over Whitney.

Absofrickinlooooootly!! Hunter is built for the west......and the playoffs. I'd be concerned about Whitney's durability with our travel schedule etc......

Terrible. Why would Carolina trade a PPG player who signed a cheap 3 year deal last year for two 2nd's?

Awful

Great idea. Let's make our team smaller so they'll get pushed around easier.

Not watched a Canes games lately? Whitney is their best player, he's not going anywhere.

Yeah.

Kesler
Edler
Bourdon
Raymond

All terrible players.

Bourdon is a flop pal...horrid pick.

Raymond? LOL What a homer...

Bourdon is a flop pal...horrid pick.

Raymond? LOL What a homer...


You are not informed. Neither of them are clear superstars in the making, but both have very good potential and have shown such this year in the bigs.

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