Proposal for Marian Hossa...

Atlanta is in a chase for a playoffs spot but they also have to focus on resigning right wing Marian Hossa and from what i've seen on the Thrashers board... he isn't staying in hotlanta. They need a winger to compensate for the loss of Hossa but they're still gonna need some youth in that deal. Here's what i suggest

To Atlanta

Brian Gionta
Niklas Bergfors
Andy Greene

Vs

To New Jersey

Marian Hossa


This deal is pending the resigning of Hossa of course... :thumbu:

i would do it in a second..but they might need some picks or something..theyre going to probably get better offers than that

Atlanta would definitely want a first added to that deal and that's when I say no.

If we make a big trade like that, it should be a for a first pairing defenseman. Whenever our d-men play well and contribute offensively, our forwards play better too. The reason why we're struggling offensively is because we only have 3 players out on the ice that can score. If you look at some of the elite teams out there, they have defenseman who can carry the puck deep into the other teams zone and make plays while they're there. We have plenty of forwards who can drop back and help defensively, but we have no defensemen who can jump in on the offensive attack. They just hover around the blue line wait for the puck to get to them and then chip it back in along the boards. That does nothing to help our forwards.

I don't know Mottau looked really good last night if he can continue that type of play we might have our selves a sleeper.

Atlanta is in a chase for a playoffs spot but they also have to focus on resigning right wing Marian Hossa and from what i've seen on the Thrashers board... he isn't staying in hotlanta. They need a winger to compensate for the loss of Hossa but they're still gonna need some youth in that deal. Here's what i suggest

To Atlanta

Brian Gionta
Niklas Bergfors
Andy Greene

Vs

To New Jersey

Marian Hossa


This deal is pending the resigning of Hossa of course... :thumbu:

its going to take a lot more than that to get hossa , for starters you would need to replace Bergfors with parise and I dont know about you guys but I wouldn't be willing to do that , I think we should be going after players like kaberle, foot , blake, maybe sundin, tangauy,which would help us and we don't have to give up more than originally offered for hossa.

I'll pass on most big names near the deadline.. They never come through and help a team win a cup (exception to Carolina).. It doesn't matter how close we are to a contender or not.. I don't think a big name will help that case.

its going to take a lot more than that to get hossa , for starters you would need to replace Bergfors with parise and I dont know about you guys but I wouldn't be willing to do that , I think we should be going after players like kaberle, foot , blake, maybe sundin, tangauy,which would help us and we don't have to give up more than originally offered for hossa.

Are you kidding me !!! Parise + Gionta + Greene Vs Hossa would be a MAJOR overpayment for Hossa. If you think we can land Kaberle or Sundin or Tanguay for something less then what i proposed for Hossa, then you're dreaming. If Columbus or L.A. are able to get more the one prospect or a 2nd rounder for Foote and Blake... I'll be amazed.

P.S. I would't even do Parise Vs Hossa straight up :sarcasm:

Are you kidding me !!! Parise + Gionta + Greene Vs Hossa would be a MAJOR overpayment for Hossa. If you think we can land Kaberle or Sundin or Tanguay for something less then what i proposed for Hossa, then you're dreaming. If Columbus or L.A. are able to get more the one prospect or a 2nd rounder for Foote and Blake... I'll be amazed.

P.S. I would't even do Parise Vs Hossa straight up :sarcasm:

I agree that would be an overpayment thats why I said I wouldn't do that, but thats about what it would take to get hossa.

Atlanta knows that they wouldn't get Parise for Hossa unless Hossa was resigned.

If we make a big trade like that, it should be a for a first pairing defenseman. Whenever our d-men play well and contribute offensively, our forwards play better too. The reason why we're struggling offensively is because we only have 3 players out on the ice that can score. If you look at some of the elite teams out there, they have defenseman who can carry the puck deep into the other teams zone and make plays while they're there. We have plenty of forwards who can drop back and help defensively, but we have no defensemen who can jump in on the offensive attack. They just hover around the blue line wait for the puck to get to them and then chip it back in along the boards. That does nothing to help our forwards.

agreed at this point imo a good defenseman is more important b/c i have a feeling this defense is way too inexperienced for playoff hockey.

Hossa is on pace for less than a point a game. When Elias did that last year (on a much more defensive team than Hossa is on now) for a 6 million dollar cap hit, he was crucified. How much are you guys willing to pay Hossa?

Parise and Gionta + is WAYYYYYYyyyyyy too much for Hossa, im sorry...

lets be realistic here

Hossa is on pace for less than a point a game. When Elias did that last year (on a much more defensive team than Hossa is on now) for a 6 million dollar cap hit, he was crucified. How much are you guys willing to pay Hossa?

Agreed....I wonder if we can get Jay-Bo + Jokinen from FLA:

Zajac + Corrente + Halischuk + 1st in 09 and conditional 1st in 2010 if Jokinen re-signs in New Jersey after his contract is up

Parise-Elias-Langenbrunner
Zubrus-Jokinen-Gionta
Pandolfo-Madden-Clarkson
Brylin-Pelley-Rupp

Bouwmeester-Martin
Oduya-White
Rachunek-Vishnevski

Brodeur
Weekes

I agree that would be an overpayment thats why I said I wouldn't do that, but thats about what it would take to get hossa.

Yea, major, major over-payment. Let's remember, Hossa is UFA and will be looking for more money than Scott Gomez makes. Honestly, taking UFA status, salary and age into consideration, I wouldn't trade Parise straight up for Hossa. Call me crazy.

Agreed....I wonder if we can get Jay-Bo + Jokinen from FLA:

Zajac + Corrente + Halischuk + 1st in 09 and conditional 1st in 2010 if Jokinen re-signs in New Jersey after his contract is up

Parise-Elias-Langenbrunner
Zubrus-Jokinen-Gionta
Pandolfo-Madden-Clarkson
Brylin-Pelley-Rupp

Bouwmeester-Martin
Oduya-White
Rachunek-Vishnevski

Brodeur
Weekes
That... ugh. That's a lot to give up. If Jokinen does re-sign it's probably worth it, though, although I'm not sure we could afford to keep both of them under the cap.

I also think Hossa is overrated. I'd rather go after a bonafide dynamite offensive player like Havlat, even with his injury issues.

That... ugh. That's a lot to give up. If Jokinen does re-sign it's probably worth it, though, although I'm not sure we could afford to keep both of them under the cap.

I also think Hossa is overrated. I'd rather go after a bonafide dynamite offensive player like Havlat, even with his injury issues.

Yeah, it's a lot to give up, however Oli is signed for TWO more years, I'd preferrably like to keep Zajac and add Bergfors and Greene in, but Zajac is what Florida would want other than Parise. The feature is Jay-Bo, dude is a pure stud defensman.

I also think Hossa is overrated. I'd rather go after a bonafide dynamite offensive player like Havlat, even with his injury issues.

Hossa is overated in wich way ??? The guy is a real #1 RW (not like Gionta), he has speed, skills and is a smart defensive player + he brings a scoring threath on the PK. I'd love to see a line of Parise - Elias - Hossa in New Jersey. Hossa's contract would problably be around 6.5M$ per season but with Gionta gone, we'd save 4M$ and we'd have to let Brylin go this summer unless he'd want to restructure his contract because a 1.5M$ cap hit for 4th liner is alot of money for nothing (even 3M$ is alot for 3rd line center, but we won't get into that !!!).

I'd rather have Hossa then any other big name that is on the market at the moment... but that's just me. The only guy that's close to Hossa is Boyle or Campbell but I still think that Hossa would be more help then one of the 2 d's. We need a defensemen that can shoot the puck from the blueline more then a d-men that will pull 5 spin a rama's just to look good out there.

To this day I will never forget the face on Hossa's face after Marty made him look foolish in 03.

I'd rather not give up anything remotely valuable for a short term rental that won't make this average team a cup contender.

(even 3M$ is alot for 3rd line center, but we won't get into that !!!).


If you're refering to Madden, he's better than some of those first/second line centers like Vanek or Drury who are making way more than he is.

(even 3M$ is alot for 3rd line center, but we won't get into that !!!).

If you didn't want to get into it you shouldn't have said it. If you are referring to Madden then you have no idea what he brings to this team.

If you didn't want to get into it you shouldn't have said it. If you are referring to Madden then you have no idea what he brings to this team.

I know what he brings to this team but 3M$/year for a 3rd line checker is a little steep for me. Pelley is doing a fantastic job on our 4th line and the PK. We got Pelley that can step in and fill Madden lost and save us some $$$ but that's problably in 1 year or 2.

Do you realise that our 3rd line next year will be making close to a combined 7M$. That's alot of $$$ invested in our checking line... no ???

Yea, major, major over-payment. Let's remember, Hossa is UFA and will be looking for more money than Scott Gomez makes. Honestly, taking UFA status, salary and age into consideration, I wouldn't trade Parise straight up for Hossa. Call me crazy.

That's not crazy at all....

NO WAY I'd trade Parise straight up for Hossa. They have the same amount of points, Parise's half the price, signed for longer, and the intangibles Parise brings are endless. Take a look at Lou's history and tell me what the chances are that we would re-sign Hossa at the end of this year....

Parise for Hossa straight up would be a gigantic steal on Atlanta's part...Waddell would have a job in Atlanta for life if he could flip a UFA for Parise.

Alright, let's get past actually being able to put an offer together that wouldn't cripple us and Atlanta would take, and then get past finiding a way to get Hossa to sign contract before July 1 (and none of this 2-3 year crap)....

here's my big question.

We'd probably have $12-13 million cap tied up in Elias and Hossa.

Do they get along? Czech. Slovak. And I've never seen Patty as angry at someone as he was at Chara. Now, Chara is a gigantic goof, so it could just be that, but maybe there was more to it? I mean, he was angry enough to fight him and overlook the fact he would have had his face bashed in.

I know what he brings to this team but 3M$/year for a 3rd line checker is a little steep for me. Pelley is doing a fantastic job on our 4th line and the PK. We got Pelley that can step in and fill Madden lost and save us some $$$ but that's problably in 1 year or 2.

Do you realise that our 3rd line next year will be making close to a combined 7M$. That's alot of $$$ invested in our checking line... no ???

Do you even watch Devils games? Madden>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pelley, and he's worth every dime. If Asham didn't have a problem with his hand, Pelley would have been the odd man out when Pando returned.

I'd really much rather try and trade for Dan Boyle. Or as someone said before...Havlat, and work a lower valued offer considering how injury prone he is, any picks would be conditional on a minimum of 70 games played at the very least.

edit: I'd even throw in some TV Cameras so Hawks fans can actually watch their team at home without having to show up.

I like the deal but it doesn't fix the problem our team currently has. (Defenseman and a center)

I know what he brings to this team but 3M$/year for a 3rd line checker is a little steep for me. Pelley is doing a fantastic job on our 4th line and the PK. We got Pelley that can step in and fill Madden lost and save us some $$$ but that's problably in 1 year or 2.

Do you realise that our 3rd line next year will be making close to a combined 7M$. That's alot of $$$ invested in our checking line... no ???

Do you realize the job that Madden is doing compared to what Pelley does? We're talking veteran vs Rookie. Like asking our 5-6th line D to fill in on the first line.

I'm sure you saw those two games when we were missing Madden how bad this team was. Last season it was the same, we lost most of the games when Madden was out with a groin injury. He's pretty much the backbone of this team besides Marty in terms of defense.

He's also the only forward we have who can consistently win face-offs. He's worth alot more than the 3m we are paying him. On other teams he would be their 2nd line center.

I know what he brings to this team but 3M$/year for a 3rd line checker is a little steep for me. Pelley is doing a fantastic job on our 4th line and the PK. We got Pelley that can step in and fill Madden lost and save us some $$$ but that's problably in 1 year or 2.

Do you realise that our 3rd line next year will be making close to a combined 7M$. That's alot of $$$ invested in our checking line... no ???

First of all, Pelley sucks. He has absolutely no offensive skill whatsoever. He plays 5 minutes a night against the other team's worst lines. His only skill is that he is OK killing penalties, and that is something that can easily be replaced. To suggest that he could even come within the same galaxy as Madden is bordering on lunacy.

Second, where do you get $7 million from? Madden makes $2.9 milion, Pando MIGHT (if Lou is feeling generous) get $2 million. That leaves another 2.1 for who?

Clarkson? Not a chance.
Brylin? Even less of a chance.
Me? Maybe if Lou was high.

That line wont even top $6 million, let alone 7.

I know what he brings to this team but 3M$/year for a 3rd line checker is a little steep for me. Pelley is doing a fantastic job on our 4th line and the PK. We got Pelley that can step in and fill Madden lost and save us some $$$ but that's problably in 1 year or 2.

Do you realise that our 3rd line next year will be making close to a combined 7M$. That's alot of $$$ invested in our checking line... no ???

The checking line on the Devil's plays a larger role than one on most teams.. Our "3rd line" gets more ice time than a 3rd line usually does.. John Madden leads our forwards in ice time..

There's so much he brings to the team off the ice as well that Pelley wouldn't be able to.. I love Pelley, i think he can become a solid player.. He hits well, plays smart, and likes to put the puck on net. I won't critique his goal production b/c he doesn't play with the best line mates.

I'd rather not give up anything remotely valuable for a short term rental that won't make this average team a cup contender.

You speak the truth my friend.

The checking line on the Devil's plays a larger role than one on most teams.. Our "3rd line" gets more ice time than a 3rd line usually does.. John Madden leads our forwards in ice time..

There's so much he brings to the team off the ice as well that Pelley wouldn't be able to.. I love Pelley, i think he can become a solid player.. He hits well, plays smart, and likes to put the puck on net. I won't critique his goal production b/c he doesn't play with the best line mates.

I love our checking line but Detroit has as good a checking line as we have and there's no one making 3M$. Lou has a habit of giving a little more $$$ to the players that have been loyal to him... (for example: Brylin, Madden, Elias and Pandolfo could be the next one)

I'd rather not give up anything remotely valuable for a short term rental that won't make this average team a cup contender.

If you read my post all the way to the end, you'll see that I wrote that this trade would be pending the resigning of Hossa. There's not a Devils fan that would like this deal if Hossa didn't agree to a extension before the trade got approved by the NHL.

i hate to play the jokinen card again, but whenever i think of getting a player like hossa, havlat, jokinen...etc etc....its the type of attributes olli comes with that the others dont

big AND uses his size well
leadership material
consistent
not brittle
not afraid to grind(and bump)....there aint nothin wrong...sorry...im simple:D
puts up number on par or better than the others
still on a contract i believe and isnt an impending ufa that would cost them alot only to risk leaving

believe me...i think hossa is an incredible player, as is havlat...and id be stoked to hear of either coming in, but the total package jokinen brings easily makes him more important than the others. that and hes a finn and like i said....im simple:D
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/gfx/jokinen-olli_392.jpg
oh hai agains, make me a devil....please. im sick of disney and hungry howies horrible pizza:help:

instead how bout:

gionta, greene, and bergfors
for
stoll and pitkanen

some picks would probably be needed to balance it out. that way we get another good center and a top pairing D.

i dont want any part of that headcase pitkanen and stoll is too inconsistent for my tastes

i know hes young but still

While Hossa for Parise is obviously ridiculous, the cost for Hossa would not be cheap. And if we're ponying up the players/prospects/picks for a bona fide good player I'd rather have it be for one of the positions we really need - a defenseman or a center. Hossa is good, but he doesn't put this team over the top, and I don't want to mortgage the farm unless the trade would make us a serious favorite to win the East.

To NJ:

Hossa
Exelby

To ATL:

Zajac
Corrente
Bergfors
1st in 2008
Conditional 1st in 2009 if Hossa re-signs

Been a LOOOONG time since I've posted here, but this really stood out to me:

Saying Parise for Hossa is overpayment??:biglaugh:

Hossa is a top ten player in the league, regardless of this season's little slump. He's proven himself season in and season out with big numbers.

Parise isn't even a top 20 player in the league. Get real people, Zach is good but not a superstar. Enough with the man crushes. Sheesh!

To NJ:

Hossa
Exelby

To ATL:

Zajac
Corrente
Bergfors
1st in 2008
Conditional 1st in 2009 if Hossa re-signs
I wouldn't touch that deal with a 10 foot pole.

Been a LOOOONG time since I've posted here, but this really stood out to me:

Saying Parise for Hossa is overpayment??:biglaugh:

Hossa is a top ten player in the league, regardless of this season's little slump. He's proven himself season in and season out with big numbers.

Parise isn't even a top 20 player in the league. Get real people, Zach is good but not a superstar. Enough with the man crushes. Sheesh!
It's not only about the talent, it's about the contract. Hossa made 6 million this year and will be a UFA. Taking on the cap hit this season is not an issue, but he'll cost more than 6 next year. And if the Devils don't sign him then they just gave up a whole lot of assets for not a whole lot (unless they win the Cup, but like I said I don't think Hossa alone puts them over the top).

Zach is signed through 2010-2011 at only 3.125M a season. The salary cap implications are not even close.

To NJ:

Hossa
Exelby

To ATL:

Zajac
Corrente
Bergfors
1st in 2008
Conditional 1st in 2009 if Hossa re-signs


Which is the moron tax to make up for Atlanta's hideous trades last season.

The crazy thing is that Atlanta could turn all of that into crap.

Atlanta would definitely want a first added to that deal and that's when I say no.

added to those players? your joking right?

It's not only about the talent, it's about the contract. Hossa made 6 million this year and will be a UFA. Taking on the cap hit this season is not an issue, but he'll cost more than 6 next year. And if the Devils don't sign him then they just gave up a whole lot of assets for not a whole lot (unless they win the Cup, but like I said I don't think Hossa alone puts them over the top).

Zach is signed through 2010-2011 at only 3.125M a season. The salary cap implications are not even close.

WOW !!! Finally someone that understands the business side of a trade proposal. I would agree that Hossa is a more proven and better player then Parise NOW but Zach is way younger then Hossa, he's cheaper then Hossa and he didn't reach is peak yet. Those are all things that GM's have to take into considerations when they're getting or receiving proposals.

I wouldn't touch that deal with a 10 foot pole.

Are you serious? Look at it without your Devils glasses on.

You're giving away a top 6 forward in Zajac. A *POTENTIAL* top 6 player in Bergfors (who looks to be losing a decent amount of value).

A *POTENTIAL* top 4 defenseman in Corrente. And 2 late 1st round picks -- and we all know that they are never a slam dunk.

You get a bonafide superstar who is *PROVEN* in Hossa and a decent hardnosed #4/5 defenseman in Exelby. Again, *PROVEN*.

No idea why you wouldn't take that deal.

Are you serious? Look at it without your Devils glasses on.

You're giving away a top 6 forward in Zajac. A *POTENTIAL* top 6 player in Bergfors (who looks to be losing a decent amount of value).

A *POTENTIAL* top 4 defenseman in Corrente. And 2 late 1st round picks -- and we all know that they are never a slam dunk.

You get a bonafide superstar who is *PROVEN* in Hossa and a decent hardnosed #4/5 defenseman in Exelby. Again, *PROVEN*.

No idea why you wouldn't take that deal.
I am 100% serious.

First of all, last time I checked neither Hossa nor Exelby were centers. If we trade away Zajac we're even more screwed at center. Elias is playing well right now, but he has struggled there in the past and is not good on faceoffs, so I'm a little wary of that. And after that we have no one. Moving Parise back to center failed this year. Zubrus at center was not a success. Gionta and Langenbrunner are not centers. Madden is a center, but he should not be centering a scoring line. Ditto with Pelley. That probably leaves Brylin as the Devils best option at center. And we have no one in Lowell to step into that spot either. Maybe it's just me, but going into the playoffs with Elias and Brylin as our scoring line centers sounds like a really crappy idea.

Secondly, what the hell do the Devils want with Exelby? He does nothing for us. We already have 8 defenseman on the roster, all of whom would have to pass through waivers. 8 is a lot of defenseman to have, 9 is just ridiculous. And we have more 4/5/6 defenseman than we know what to do with (hell, I'd put everyone but Martin and White into that category), we need another one like we need a hole in the head.

Finally, you have the Devils giving up their last two first round draft picks and their next two (assuming Hossa stays, if he doesn't it's an even worse deal). That is a HUGE portion of the future, and IMO it is too much. Bergfors is the piece I'm least concerned about, I think he's got potential but losing him isn't a deal breaker for me. I am very high on Corrente, he is by far my favorite Devils prospect and I'd hate to see him go unless it's for a player that really addresses our needs (which Hossa doesn't). Yeah the upcoming two first rounders may be late first, but the Devils prospect cupboard is bare and I don't know of any better way to restock (aside from a firesale for picks/prospects, which I don't see happening as long as Marty is playing).

Basically, you have the Devils giving up an enormous amount for two players who don't fill the Devils needs. If I'm giving up that much, a player that the Devils really need had better be coming back.

First off, the one pick is conditional on him re-signing. You obviously missed that.

Those two first rounders won't come close to equaling Hossa's value in all likelihood.

Second off, Zajac is a fine player, but hardly -- HARDLY irreplaceable. He'd be easily replaced in the offseason.

Why WOULDN'T you want Exelby? Who gives a **** if some will have to clear waivers? He's a hell of a lot better than guys like Oduya, Mottou, Brookbank, Rachunek, Vish, etc. Haha, you're telling me you wouldn't want a defenseman because a few of the ****** ass defenseman you guys have have to clear waivers? Who cares?

Hossa gives you guys a legitimate superstar and the deal I proposed is hardly sending away anything irreplaceable. Not only that, you upgrade your defense a bit. You'd be a fool to pass that offer up as would Lou.

First off, the one pick is conditional on him re-signing. You obviously missed that.

Those two first rounders won't come close to equaling Hossa's value in all likelihood.

Second off, Zajac is a fine player, but hardly -- HARDLY irreplaceable. He'd be easily replaced in the offseason.

Why WOULDN'T you want Exelby? Who gives a **** if some will have to clear waivers? He's a hell of a lot better than guys like Oduya, Mottou, Brookbank, Rachunek, Vish, etc. Haha, you're telling me you wouldn't want a defenseman because a few of the ****** ass defenseman you guys have have to clear waivers? Who cares?

Hossa gives you guys a legitimate superstar and the deal I proposed is hardly sending away anything irreplaceable. Not only that, you upgrade your defense a bit. You'd be a fool to pass that offer up as would Lou.
No, I got that one pick is conditional, that's why I said "you have the Devils giving up their last two first round draft picks and their next two (assuming Hossa stays".

I agree Zajac is replaceable. Replacing him in the offseason won't fix the massive hole at center for the playoff run (and I'm assuming, if Lou is giving up that much for an impending UFA, that he plans on making a serious run in the playoffs). You didn't address my concern that having a 1-2 tandem of Elias-Brylin is a pretty ****** way to go into the playoffs.

Why don't I want Exelby? He really does nothing for the Devils. A slight upgrade on defense (especially an upgrade that does nothing to get more offense from the defenseman) really doesn't interest me, I'd rather use the few assets the Devils have to fill one of the holes on the roster.

Basically, if the Devils make this deal they are seriously mortgaging their future for a Cup run. I have no problems with that principle, but bringing in two players that don't address the Devils needs is not a good way to make a run at the Cup.

You may think this is a great deal, that's your perogative, but I still think it's a terrible deal for the Devils.

First off, the one pick is conditional on him re-signing. You obviously missed that.

Those two first rounders won't come close to equaling Hossa's value in all likelihood.

Second off, Zajac is a fine player, but hardly -- HARDLY irreplaceable. He'd be easily replaced in the offseason.

Why WOULDN'T you want Exelby? Who gives a **** if some will have to clear waivers? He's a hell of a lot better than guys like Oduya, Mottou, Brookbank, Rachunek, Vish, etc. Haha, you're telling me you wouldn't want a defenseman because a few of the ****** ass defenseman you guys have have to clear waivers? Who cares?

Hossa gives you guys a legitimate superstar and the deal I proposed is hardly sending away anything irreplaceable. Not only that, you upgrade your defense a bit. You'd be a fool to pass that offer up as would Lou.


But, the other pick *isn't* contingent on him re-signing, which he won't.

Throwing away a 1st round pick for what? These are the same dumb trades that Atlanta made last season in order to "put themselves over the top", when they were actually nowhere near the top.

There is no way I would trade for him (or Sundin, for that matter), unless the value is depressed or he puts his signature on a contract.

we need a center in the worst way

trading one of the 2-3 TRUE centers we actually have on the team for a wing/Dman does NOT help that....