OT: Hope you New Jersians are voting today!

We're finally a part of a primary that actually means something and I hope you guys are all voting today.

NJ polls opened at 6AM and close at 8PM.

If you are unaffiliated with a party but registered to vote, all you have to do is chose a party at your local polling office. Some places have been spreading false news that you can't vote if you aren't a registered Democrat or Republican, but that's a crock of ****.

Go and vote, guys and girls!

I would but I refuse to declare a party affiliation. :shakehead

I would but I refuse to declare a party affiliation. :shakehead

You know, I did too. But now that the primary actually means something and there are two candidates who I am really deciding between -- I caved and declared.

The primary is an important part of our country's voting system and I fully encourage everyone to partake in it if they can.

Especially now that our primary means something. It's even more pertinent to cast your vote.

You know, I did too. But now that the primary actually means something and there are two candidates who I am really deciding between -- I caved and declared.

The primary is an important part of our country's voting system and I fully encourage everyone to partake in it if they can.

Especially now that our primary means something. It's even more pertinent to cast your vote.

Same here. I hate being affiliated, but it's a small price to pay for actually having a say in who becomes president for the first time I can remember. Actually going home to mommy and daddy's for the evening since I'm still registered there.

PS... Place bets on how long it takes before people start to post who they are voting for and it becomes a flame war?

Just voted...won't say for who in order to avoid the flame wars. :)

Just voted...won't say for who in order to avoid the flame wars. :)

I'm guessing Mike Gravel. :sarcasm:

You know, I did too. But now that the primary actually means something and there are two candidates who I am really deciding between -- I caved and declared.

The primary is an important part of our country's voting system and I fully encourage everyone to partake in it if they can.

Especially now that our primary means something. It's even more pertinent to cast your vote.

It's not that I disagree with you, but you realize primary elections have, by in large, the lowest voter turn out of any type of election? (well besides judicial elections) Even local mayoral elections end up with higher turnout.

If I remember correctly, national primaries on a state-by-state basis draw between 12-15% of the registered population.

I know what you mean about the importance, but I still refuse to declare an affiliation because both parties are full of ****ing idiots.

You know, I did too. But now that the primary actually means something and there are two candidates who I am really deciding between -- I caved and declared.

The primary is an important part of our country's voting system and I fully encourage everyone to partake in it if they can.

Especially now that our primary means something. It's even more pertinent to cast your vote.
Same here. I don't like declaring an affiliation either way, but now I think I'll just bite the bullet and vote after work.

It's not that I disagree with you, but you realize primary elections have, by in large, the lowest voter turn out of any type of election? (well besides judicial elections) Even local mayoral elections end up with higher turnout.

If I remember correctly, national primaries on a state-by-state basis draw between 12-15% of the registered population.

I know what you mean about the importance, but I still refuse to declare an affiliation because both parties are full of ****ing idiots.

We have, in NJ, had around 9% of the population historically.

I must say that there were a number of people at my polling station going in and coming out. I think people care a lot more.

This primary will likely have the highest turnout in years.

8 years of hell with a chance to change it? People will go.

Same here. I don't like declaring an affiliation either way, but now I think I'll just bite the bullet and vote after work.

As you should. As long as the primary is important (which ours is), than everyone should vote in it.

I'm also a big supporter of having a nationalized primary. I hate having it scattered like it is now with some states having zero say, really, in what goes on.

We have, in NJ, had around 9% of the population historically.

I must say that there were a number of people at my polling station going in and coming out. I think people care a lot more.

This primary will likely have the highest turnout in years.

8 years of hell with a chance to change it? People will go.

Yeah I absolutely agree, although this seems to be a repeat of what was said in 04, I think now this truly is a historical election.

However, while I was strongly considering Ron Paul, having seen his voting record I've definitely second guessed that. So even if I had an affiliation...not one person has impressed me enough for me to say "you deserve to run."

McCain is a ****ing dbag with a fat mouth who will inevitably get us into pissing matches with other countries because he's arrogant and outspoken and uses his stupid ****ing "hero/vet" card too damn much.

I won't go into the rest because my religious bias will show.

Hillary is a very strong public figure, people hate her, but she truly is a good politician whether anyone likes it or not. Either way, I'd rather vote for bill again.

Obama, I love his charisma, I really think he's a capable individual, BUT I also don't think this is the time to have a black president for the first time, who will undoubtedly have a far tougher job than your typical white bureaucrat. These are such temperamental times both nationally and internationally and with him having a guy with the pressure of that alone having to handle that, I feel like could be costly in the long run. The presidency takes a huge toll on an individual regardless of success and failures and being the first black guy is going to make his job 10 times harder.

At this point, I'd write-in vote myself ;)

I would but I refuse to declare a party affiliation. :shakehead

Please don't let this stop you from voting. Here's the form to switch back:

http://www.co.somerset.nj.us/elections/forms/partydec.pdf

I was unaffiliated, chose a party, filled out the form and mailed it today. In a week or two, I'll be unaffiliated again.

Please don't let this stop you from voting. Here's the form to switch back:

http://www.co.somerset.nj.us/elections/forms/partydec.pdf

I was unaffiliated, chose a party, filled out the form and mailed it today. In a week or two, I'll be unaffiliated again.

I appreciate it, I'm fully aware of the ability to do it and whatnot, I just have no one I find worth voting for right now. And as it goes...a non-vote is a vote for the winner. So although I couldn't even tell you which party I would vote for, i'll at least know I played a part in helping them win here.

I will vote in the national election though, but right now, I'm not impressed enough by anyone to really say they deserve to run.

Please don't let this stop you from voting. Here's the form to switch back:

http://www.co.somerset.nj.us/elections/forms/partydec.pdf

I was unaffiliated, chose a party, filled out the form and mailed it today. In a week or two, I'll be unaffiliated again.

Thank you! I have long avoided voting in primaries because I didn't want to declare an affiliation but I voted this morning because we finally have some influence early in the process, and there's a lot at stake in this election. My plan all along was to change back to unaffiliated, but this makes it a lot easier!

If you don't vote you have no right to complain about your elected representatives.

Thank you! I have long avoided voting in primaries because I didn't want to declare an affiliation but I voted this morning because we finally have some influence early in the process, and there's a lot at stake in this election. My plan all along was to change back to unaffiliated, but this makes it a lot easier!

If you don't vote you have no right to complain about your elected representatives.

sure you do, you can complain that you have to register to vote when it's your right as a citizen of this country. :D

I too would rather vote for Bill Clinton again. I think there really isn't any worthy politician out there that can run the country correctly. How about we write in Lou Lamerello and let him run the country? LOL

I'm guessing Mike Gravel. :sarcasm:

Funny! Did anyone vote for him when he was running.

Actually, I don't really mind saying who I voted for but I don't want to defend/debate it on a message board. I voted for Obama because he's the only one that seemed close to honest to me. Honestly I'm just happy that we are going to have someone new in office so any of them should do a better job than the current guy.

I too would rather vote for Bill Clinton again. I think there really isn't any worthy politician out there that can run the country correctly. How about we write in Lou Lamerello and let him run the country? LOL

Someone call Hellsempire and find out what party Lou is affiliated with, I'm writing him in! :biglaugh:

I too would rather vote for Bill Clinton again. I think there really isn't any worthy politician out there that can run the country correctly. How about we write in Lou Lamerello and let him run the country? LOL

I second that nomination. :handclap:

Voting like always. Gore would be my man if he was running, oh well.

I'm in Monmouth county for college but I think to vote I have to go back to Somerset (thats what my roommate told me). I could do it, but it would waste gas and money that I have so little of.

I'm in Monmouth county for college but I think to vote I have to go back to Somerset (thats what my roommate told me). I could do it, but it would waste gas and money that I have so little of.

you have to vote in the district of your permanent address (or rather, the one you put on your voter registration)

I'll be voting when I leave work today. I'm currently trying to convince my brother that it's important to vote today....

I too would rather vote for Bill Clinton again. I think there really isn't any worthy politician out there that can run the country correctly. How about we write in Lou Lamerello and let him run the country? LOL


The only mistake I see him making as president is, after New York signs a high-priced free agent contract with Canada, President Lamoriello goes and quickly signs 3 unafilliated territories to try and replace NY, putting the country into budget hell for a few years.

I know what you mean about the importance, but I still refuse to declare an affiliation because both parties are full of ****ing idiots.
Amen brother.

I'm voting for Ron Paul R Nelson.

I'm voting for Ron Paul R Nelson.

I was going to until I saw his voting record and how his voting completely contradicts his "unwillingness" to cross both his religious beliefs and government.

I am however about less government, reducing federal powers, and giving the powers to the states to make important decisions on the behalf of its people.

Would vote for Ron Paul if he had a chance, Denis K. if he was still in it.


But the most realistic for me is OBAMA! GO BARACK!:yo:

Voted bright and early today!

I didn't bother to register for primaries. I'm having a hard time deciding between McCain and Obama, leaning strongly McCain, but I'm pretty sure that at least one of the two gets their party's nomination.

I didn't bother to register for primaries. I'm having a hard time deciding between McCain and Obama, leaning strongly McCain, but I'm pretty sure that at least one of the two gets their party's nomination.

yeah that's looking to be the ones, today is pretty much the tell-all. Hopefully McCain takes a ****ing chill pill when he does get nominated and if he wins the presidency.

I don't want him getting all ****in obnoxious and aggressive.

vote? no thanks

I'm voting for Ron Paul R Nelson.
Nelllsssssthhhhhhhon

I switched my party affiliation so I could vote in the Democratic primary.

I'm voting for Ron Paul R Nelson.


linger longerrrrr!

Write in - Lewis Black. :D

I'm voting for Sanjaya. . . is that how you spell it?

I registered D to vote in the primary too and it was on one of those newfangled electronic voting machines everyone talks about.

And I found it really unsettling. I pushed the button next to the person I wanted to vote for and a little arrow came up. Then I hit the button to register the vote. And that was it. No confirmation, no receipt, nothing. No proof that the vote actually registered the way it should. Now, I have absolutely no reason to believe that there was funny business, but it's still unsettling. At the very least, the machine should have an electronic readout, "do you really want to vote for X?"

Anyway, i found that kind of creepy.

I voted for Gumby. He will make a great president because he is flexible, wise, and non-toxic.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6836/gumbyforprezhf6.jpg

No surprise but McCain is projected to win New Jersey on the Republican side.

The primary is an important part of our country's voting system and I fully encourage everyone to partake in it if they can.

I've always disagreed with this notion that "everyone" should vote. I know voter turnout is already statistically low, but it's probably about the right level for who is knowledgeable enough to vote. I'd rather have the minority that pay attention to politics vote than a majority that dont. There are sadly a larger percentage of Americans that watch American Idol and Survivor rather than CNN news and FoxNews, and frankly, I dont want them voting.

I voted, but since I'm a Republican and McCain is projected to win Jersey easily I don't think it was too important.

I switched my party affiliation so I could vote in the Democratic primary.

Glad you're on the good team now. :naughty:

Glad you're on the good team now. :naughty:
It's not permanent.

It's not permanent.

As it shouldn't be. I'd prefer to be unaffiliated as I've voted Republican in the past before (though not for President -- just minor seats).

linger longerrrrr!

Damn, I haven't been able to listen to O+A for like 3 weeks now because I wrecked my car and the stupid rental doesn't have XM.

Damn, I haven't been able to listen to O+A for like 3 weeks now because I wrecked my car and the stupid rental doesn't have XM.

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I was shocked to see on the news this morning, that Hilary Clinton won NJ...

I was really really shocked, you guys should be ashamed!!!

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I'm a subscriber so I can listen online, but I never get the chance.

I was shocked to see on the news this morning, that Hilary Clinton won NJ...

I was really really shocked, you guys should be ashamed!!!

Why would you be shocked? She's a New York senator with a huge base around here. If anything, I expected her to win Connecticut as well -- but Obama took that state.

I've softened up to her a LOT lately, but I still went for Obama.

The ticket will be Clinton/Obama, anyway.

I actually like her healthcare coverage plan (full on universal healthcare FTW) over Obama's though Obama is a supporter of a flat tax (which is the main reason I went with him as that's my top issue).

Why would you be shocked? She's a New York senator with a huge base around here.

I've softened up to her a LOT lately, but I still went for Obama.

The ticket will be Clinton/Obama, anyway.

I dont know, it gets covered alot over here, as whoever becomes your president, will likely effect your #1 allies. I just didnt think she would be able to win over as many primaries as she has. I didnt realise New York was her home primary either, so you will have to forgive me for that.

But as an outsider looking in, I would vote for Obama, the man seems to know what he is talking about, and would turn the western world around for the better, basically the sooner that classless tool Bush is out the better, sorry if you guys like Bush, but he dragged us into your war in the middle east, something which led to Tony Blair being basically forced to step down, and now were stuck with an even bigger idiot in Brown. Yuck!!!

I dont know, it gets covered alot over here, as whoever becomes your president, will likely effect your #1 allies. I just didnt think she would be able to win over as many primaries as she has. I didnt realise New York was her home primary either, so you will have to forgive me for that.

But as an outsider looking in, I would vote for Obama, the man seems to know what he is talking about, and would turn the western world around for the better, basically the sooner that classless tool Bush is out the better, sorry if you guys like Bush, but he dragged us into your war in the middle east, something which led to Tony Blair being basically forced to step down, and now were stuck with an even bigger idiot in Brown. Yuck!!!

Yeah, Hillary is pretty popular all over the tri-state area. I'm seriously surprised she didn't take Connecticut. That was a relative shocker to me.

Obama did very, very well yesterday -- another shocker as I thought Hillary would come out pretty much as a clear victor -- which makes me happy as he's my guy.

The ticket will feature both of them in November, either way, so if you get one, you get the other. Hence their nice and pleasant debates lately. Just gives the Repubs another thing less to take aim at (not that they have any ammunition and I expect the next election to be one of the most crushing defeats in our nation's history -- the whole "I'm more Regan than you are!" ******** at least makes me hope so).

Either way, I'm relatively proud of New Jersey as this should be our highest turnout for a primary ever. Over 1 million people in a state of around 4 million registered voters. Not too shabby!

Yeah, Hillary is pretty popular all over the tri-state area. I'm seriously surprised she didn't take Connecticut. That was a relative shocker to me.

Obama did very, very well yesterday -- another shocker as I thought Hillary would come out pretty much as a clear victor -- which makes me happy as he's my guy.

The ticket will feature both of them in November, either way, so if you get one, you get the other. Hence their nice and pleasant debates lately. Just gives the Repubs another thing less to take aim at (not that they have any ammunition and I expect the next election to be one of the most crushing defeats in our nation's history -- the whole "I'm more Regan than you are!" ******** at least makes me hope so).

Either way, I'm relatively proud of New Jersey as this should be our highest turnout for a primary ever. Over 1 million people in a state of around 4 million registered voters. Not too shabby!

I have a few points for anyone who cares:

1) Obama won the only huge upset of the night, which was Connecticut. I read that he was helped a great deal by those who voted for Lamont over Lieberman for Senate.

2) Obama is the clear frontrunner now, I believe. He will end Super Tuesday essentially tied with Clinton, which shatters her myth of invincibility. Also, the states that vote over the next month are all midwestern or have high black populations (like Maryland and Virginia), which are all the type of states he carried on super Tuesday. So he should continue to build momentum over the next month. If Hillary has been saving an Obama scandal for a desperate moment, now is the time.

3) I can't see Obama and Clinton both on the same ticket. Clinton represents 90s nostagia and he represents a new way of doing things, and both would be hurt by the other one on the ticket IMO.

1. Definitely. I cannot believe he took Connecticut. At all.

2. There is no clear frontrunner. I'm all for Obama, but he's still got a long way to go.

3. That ticket is guaranteed. It's a clear win ticket. Both are posturing for it as well. It's a done deal.

It would be nice to have two people with different views on the presidency. It would make them think about their decisions. It would hopefully prevent another Bush Idiocracy.

I have a few points for anyone who cares:

1) Obama won the only huge upset of the night, which was Connecticut. I read that he was helped a great deal by those who voted for Lamont over Lieberman for Senate.

2) Obama is the clear frontrunner now, I believe. He will end Super Tuesday essentially tied with Clinton, which shatters her myth of invincibility. Also, the states that vote over the next month are all midwestern or have high black populations (like Maryland and Virginia), which are all the type of states he carried on super Tuesday. So he should continue to build momentum over the next month. If Hillary has been saving an Obama scandal for a desperate moment, now is the time.

3) I can't see Obama and Clinton both on the same ticket. Clinton represents 90s nostagia and he represents a new way of doing things, and both would be hurt by the other one on the ticket IMO.

The likelihood of the ticket being Obama/Clinton (or visa-versa) is probably around 75-80%

The Dems are very determined to win, and while I know all the arguments against Clinton, this race is so close, it seems almost inevitable that will be how it works out.

The likelihood of the ticket being Obama/Clinton (or visa-versa) is probably around 75-80%

The Dems are very determined to win, and while I know all the arguments against Clinton, this race is so close, it seems almost inevitable that will be how it works out.
I disagree. I don't think there's a chance they'll be on the same ticket. This race is going to get far, far too contentious and personal for it to work out that way in the long run.

It was set up for it before, but with the race looking like it'll be decided by the convention I don't think they'll be willing to work together later.

It would be nice to have two people with different views on the presidency. It would make them think about their decisions. It would hopefully prevent another Bush Idiocracy.

Love politics so had to chime in....I guess your hoping that 2 candidates with such little experience might come close to one somewhat qualified candidate. I hear Marty's lady friend is going to start in goal for us next game. She has sat and watched him play all these years so she must be qualified to play goal for us. Hil has done nothing for NY in her years as Senator. She only came to NY to spring board her run for Prez. NY has national appeal and is extremely liberal so she knew she would win and get exposure. Obama has been a Senator for 3 whole years and 1 of those has been spent running for President. Oh wait, polls show Hillary down...guess she will start crying again.

I disagree. I don't think there's a chance they'll be on the same ticket. This race is going to get far, far too contentious and personal for it to work out that way in the long run.

It was set up for it before, but with the race looking like it'll be decided by the convention I don't think they'll be willing to work together later.

Right but you also have to look at the perspective that, the two of them have garnered the most votes, almost to the point of complete equality. It has everything to do with getting people to vote democrat, and almost nothing to do with who they pair up. Every party member is going to want the two of them running together because they're both equally as popular and therefore have the greatest chance

Unless Hillary chose Bill, but I don't think that's allowed, only VP's can move up to Prez.

Clinton/Obama might be a ticket, but Obama/Clinton will not. Hillary's only shot at being elected in the presidential race is to have a likable, strong VP as most people outside of Democrats hate her or think she's a joke. She will lose pitifully without Obama on the ticket.
If Obama wins the primary, I'd expect to see him pair up with Edwards. He has experience, is well liked by Democrats, and most importantly is well liked in the SOUTH, where Democrats need all the help they can get.

Clinton/Obama might be a ticket, but Obama/Clinton will not. Hillary's only shot at being elected in the presidential race is to have a likable, strong VP as most people outside of Democrats hate her or think she's a joke. She will lose pitifully without Obama on the ticket.
If Obama wins the primary, I'd expect to see him pair up with Edwards. He has experience, is well liked by Democrats, and most importantly is well liked in the SOUTH, where Democrats need all the help they can get.

Winner, winner Chicken dinner.

No way on God's Green Earth does Hilary, the candidate of the Democratic machine, take the two spot after being shocked by Obama, if that somehow happens. (And I very much hope it does.)

John Edwards has been linking himself with the Obama message from day one, and stepped out of the race before Super Tuesday so as to enable Barack to draw significantly more white male voters -- which he did -- and at least have a shot at taking out the Clintons. They are very simpatico and would make a tremendous, virtually unbeatable ticket in the general election.

I am certain there will be all kinds of pressure for Obama to take the Veep spot if he should come up short or if this is undecided going into the convention. Word is he doesn't want the job, but that could change, obviously.

But it seems highly likely the democratic ticket will be either Obama/Edwards or Clinton/Obama.



...And speaking of the South, with Huckabee's stronger than expected showing on Super Tuesday, rocking the Bible belt, a McCain/Huckabee ticket cannot be ruled out. They legitimately get along and are both considered "outsiders". McCain does well in the North and West, and among independents, whereras the Huckster does well in the South and Mid-West, and pretty much would own the Evangelical vote. A tough, albeit extremely creepy ticket. (Which will ultimately lose to the Dems...)

Very very true. Which is a shame for Republicans because it'll take a special Republican (McCain) for them to have a chance at stealing the moderate and undecided voters, and a polarizing party-hack (Huckabee, Romney) would really hurt McCain in that sense. You have to please your constituents, but most Republicans will vote whoever the "Republican" is, just like a Democrat would.

Very very true. Which is a shame for Republicans because it'll take a special Republican (McCain) for them to have a chance at stealing the moderate and undecided voters, and a polarizing party-hack (Huckabee, Romney) would really hurt McCain in that sense. You have to please your constituents, but most Republicans will vote whoever the "Republican" is, just like a Democrat would.

Republicans like to milk the "Jesus vote" because the reality is, Evangelicals are one of the largest voting populations in the country. That's why they milk stem-cells, gay marriage, assisted suicide, and abortion for all its worth even though next to nothing gets done for anything except maybe Stem-cells.

McCain has the strength of the war vote, which is something that is obviously extremely important to a lot of people. Huckabee is the obvious running partner since Romney is Mormon and considering some of the "taboo" practices of the religion it could screw them in the long run with the important religious voters.

At least Huckabee has openly admitted he thinks the world is but a few thousand years old, god built the world in 6 days and the bible is more important than the constitution.

However, from an economic perspective...I enjoy some of Huckabee's ideas and really believe they could work. ha

I can't stand Clinton. I generally lean more Republican, but if Obama gets the nomination I could see myself voting for him, depending on how the Republican campaign shakes out and who the VP's are. I would seriously consider voting for an Obama/Edwards ticket.

I I didnt realise New York was her home primary either, so you will have to forgive me for that.

No need to apologize, she has lots of "home" primaries. :shakehead

I can't stand Clinton. I generally lean more Republican, but if Obama gets the nomination I could see myself voting for him

Which is exactly the reason why Obama could win it all, where as Hillbilly has a snowballs chance in hades of becoming President. The reason you're seeing a significant number of high profile dems running to Obama is due to the belief that HC is unelectable. The Democrats are likely going to elect a candidate that likely cannot win.