The beginning of the end for Parise as a Devil?

Our offense has been stagnant since 2003. After hundreds of line changes through the span of several coaches, several free agent offensive acquisitions, and the failure for prospects and draft picks to develop into potent & consistent offensive threats, it is time to continue to remake this team.

You can't get quality players without giving up quality. Nobody wants Johnny Oduya or David Clarkson or even Travis Zajac.

The only tradeable asset we have that can give us something of value in return is Zach Parise.

And these first public comments, in which he publicly disagrees with Sutter, is the beginning of the end of his career as a Devil. Lamoriello has given Sutter the green light all season and will let Sutter call for a trade of Parise if desired.

I say that either by the trade deadline or before the start of next season, our best player will be gone for someone that will change our team for the better. I was among the few who predicted Julien would be fired and Patrik Elias would be not remain as team Captain.

I expect all the "Parise isn't going anywhere" angry responses, but that's expected when people get complacent with Division titles and losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs every year. :sarcasm:


Sutter made it clear that it wasn’t about offense. He certainly noticed that line was on the ice for the Penguins’ first two goals tonight.

“This has nothing to do with scoring goals,” he said. “It has to do with the detail of the game, the little things, turnovers. I think that’s their problem right now. They’re worrying too much about scoring goals and there’s other areas that you have to be good at.”

Parise didn’t completely agree with his coach. “Tonight was bad, but I think we’ve been playing pretty well lately,” Parise said. “Yeah, we had a bad game tonight.”

http://njmg.typepad.com/devilsblog/2008/01/sutter-calls-ou.html#more

Our offense has been stagnant since 2003. After hundreds of line changes through the span of several coaches, several free agent offensive acquisitions, and the failure for prospects and draft picks to develop into potent & consistent offensive threats, it is time to continue to remake this team.

You can't get quality players without giving up quality. Nobody wants Johnny Oduya or David Clarkson or even Travis Zajac.

The only tradeable asset we have that can give us something of value in return is Zach Parise.

And these first public comments, in which he publicly disagrees with Sutter, is the beginning of the end of his career as a Devil. Lamoriello has given Sutter the green light all season and will let Sutter call for a trade of Parise if desired.

I say that either by the trade deadline or before the start of next season, our best player will be gone for someone that will change our team for the better. I was among the few who predicted Julien would be fired and Patrik Elias would be not remain as team Captain.

I expect all the "Parise isn't going anywhere" angry responses, but that's expected when people get complacent with Division titles and losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs every year. :sarcasm:


Sutter made it clear that it wasn’t about offense. He certainly noticed that line was on the ice for the Penguins’ first two goals tonight.

“This has nothing to do with scoring goals,” he said. “It has to do with the detail of the game, the little things, turnovers. I think that’s their problem right now. They’re worrying too much about scoring goals and there’s other areas that you have to be good at.”

Parise didn’t completely agree with his coach. “Tonight was bad, but I think we’ve been playing pretty well lately,” Parise said. “Yeah, we had a bad game tonight.”

http://njmg.typepad.com/devilsblog/2008/01/sutter-calls-ou.html#more

I don't know that Lou would let Parise go, but you are absolutely right. However, I think that you might be taking the way TG put it a little too literally. I don't think it was 'your coach said this, what do you think?' I just think that Parise thinks they played alright and just thinks they've had some bad games.

I'm not saying what you propose isn't legit or possible, but I do think that maybe you're taking what Parise said as defiance of his coach when I think it was really just two different opinions of what went on. Parise isn't Tiki Barber...let's just put it that way.

While I'm not one to think that Parise is unmovable or that he should never be traded, I don't think this is the mark of anything. Sutter is a good coach who holds his players responsible for their play, and he's simply called him and other top players out. That doesn't mean they're on the way out, it means that he wants them to up their game. It's just one method of man-management.

But I do agree that Parise is THE player in our team that could potentially bring a top-tier player to the Devils, Brodeur aside because he's not going to get traded.

Not going to jump to conclusions yet. Lets see how things develop in the next couple of weeks.

Parise isn't disagreeing with anything Sutter said in the quote you provided, which is really what Gulitti provided.

the only parts of our game that has really sucked lately is our inability to keep some leads an play well at home. but, when you think about it, those go hand in hand. If we keep our leads, we play awesome at home.

Trading Parise isn't the solution because we won't get anyone that has provided his team with more offense. We can trade on "potential" but why not just keep him? We know what he can do...he did it under Robinson, Lamoriello, Julien, Lamoriello, and Sutter.

Need I mention: how any line combinations has Parise been with this season?

I think you may be right about him being traded because he has tremendous value (I hope you're not right, but it's not beyond the realm of possiblity).

But his comments weren't totally out of line. In fact I'd say those comments were what you would expect of a star player. All he said is that they've been playing well lately, unsaid was they weren't getting the breaks. Hockey is a game of inches sometimes and a few good bounces here or there that line has 3 or 4 goals in the past few games.

Anyway I'd hate to see him traded, but I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen for the likes of Hossa or Phaneuf because that's the only way we land one of them.

Muttley, stop overreacting.

Muttley, stop overreacting.

+1

Seriously, the guy falls into a slump and people are calling to trade him.

I don't know that Lou would let Parise go, but you are absolutely right. However, I think that you might be taking the way TG put it a little too literally. I don't think it was 'your coach said this, what do you think?' I just think that Parise thinks they played alright and just thinks they've had some bad games.

I'm not saying what you propose isn't legit or possible, but I do think that maybe you're taking what Parise said as defiance of his coach when I think it was really just two different opinions of what went on. Parise isn't Tiki Barber...let's just put it that way.

That's a good point, but other than Burns & Lemaire, Sutter is really the most powerful coach we have had in the 20 year Lamoriello era. Besides, Lou has traded away quality players before. I sense a growing frustration among players and Sutter and his strategies, hence the comments, something we haven't seen since the first month of the season when he called out Elias.

How much patience is Lamoriello going to have with the continued lack of scoring from key players and consistency from this team?

Wow one innocuous disagreement and a month-long slump means Parise's going to be traded? If that's the case Asham should have packed his bags weeks ago since he's pretty much sucked for the entire season and has publicly challenged Sutter on more than one occasion.

I vehemently disagree with the assessment that nobody would want Clarkson or Zajac, maybe they wouldn't fetch us a Dion Phaneuf but they'd bring back something of value. You could also move Madden if you wanted to based on the season he's having, or Gionta based on his body of work the prior two years.

Muttley, stop overreacting.

Not overreacting.

It's just a prediction. What's wrong with that?

Besides, some people in another thread would welcome for example, a trade of Phaneuf for Parise, if a great trade like that should never happen.

Some people feel this team needs more change, despite leading a weak Division for most of the season. That's all.

But his comments weren't totally out of line. In fact I'd say those comments were what you would expect of a star player.

You're right, the aren't out of line.

But I don't think Sutter likes to hear that and I have a feeling that perhaps Parise is starting to grow weary of Sutter's coaching philosophies, hence his slump.

It's just a thought.

I would trade Parise for Phaneuf in a second.

That's a good point, but other than Burns & Lemaire, Sutter is really the most powerful coach we have had in the 20 year Lamoriello era. Besides, Lou has traded away quality players before. I sense a growing frustration among players and Sutter and his strategies, hence the comments, something we haven't seen since the first month of the season when he called out Elias.

How much patience is Lamoriello going to have with the continued lack of scoring from key players and consistency from this team?

Well I think the true reality of the situation is as you said it, Parise at his age, talent, and current price-tag is pretty much our only tradeable asset if we plan on making this team better in any way.

Gionta would carry some value, but with his size and overall lack of production this season for the most part, he's not going to get much for a return unless he's packaged. Elias is too expensive for his productivity and with a NTC, he's not a likely candidate to go anywhere. We just signed Zubrus long-term and I don't see Lou basically admitting the signing was **** and shipping him off anywhere unless the price is right. Clarkson would have some takers, but theres no way he'd be worth anything but the same thing in return or draft picks, which aren't helping us now. I don't think Zajac has much of a trade value this season, unless someone is willing to bank on next season when the Sophomore blues are over. Other than that, no one else we have is worth a good god damn on this team and I'd much rather preserve some prospects for the future, at least at this juncture.

The only place I really disagree is, well, with the "disagreement" perception between Sutter and Parise, which I think was just easily misconstrued by the way TG put it. I read it twice myself when I first saw it to try and determine whether or not he was disagreeing directly, or just in general.

Our offense has been stagnant since 2003.

I think you mean 2001.

See, I think Sutter actually loves Zach. Because he's said so. So he's not going to say, "Lou, I need you to trade Zach because he says he played well and I say he played like crap." If anything, he might say, "Lou, I need you to get me Dion, but do it without giving up Zach."

In fact, he probably won't have to say anything, because Lou can read people's minds. :sarcasm:

I seriously doubt that this is the first time that Sutter and the players have disagreed, if in fact they are disagreeing. Zach's contract is a steal, and Lou loves him, and after negotiating for that contract I don't see Lou letting him go, even for the likes of Dion. Nor do I think that guys like Clarkson, Zajac, Martin, or Halischuk are rats in a gutter.

Besides, Marty's stated before that Sutter gives them a lot of input on game strategies and other things, so he's open to discussions with the guys.

You're right, the aren't out of line.

But I don't think Sutter likes to hear that and I have a feeling that perhaps Parise is starting to grow weary of Sutter's coaching philosophies, hence his slump.

It's just a thought.

Players go in slumps, everyone does. You are looking way too far into this.

You're right, the aren't out of line.

But I don't think Sutter likes to hear that and I have a feeling that perhaps Parise is starting to grow weary of Sutter's coaching philosophies, hence his slump.

It's just a thought.

Yeah I dunno if I buy that Parise is starting to grow weary and that's what is causing his slump. That guy still busts his ass more than most guys on the ice every night. I haven't seen him dog it or anything. I honestly think part of the problem is the constant line changing. While I think long term that line changing will help the Devils, it's definately caused some issues while they get used to playing with everyone on the team at any given time.

I mean Clarkson on the 1st line? He certainly deserves to be rewarded but does anyone seriously think that line works? The only consistently good line we've had all year is the Parise-Elias-Gionta line and I think the Zub-Zajac-Langs line would be a nice 2nd line as well, then Clarkson-Madden-Pando, Cam/Rupp-Pelley-Brylin

Am I the only one that thinks those lines look pretty decent? I don't know, they need some consistentency for a bit I think.

This is the end........my only friend the end.

No way does Lou trade Parise after grinning ear to ear in 03.

Yeah I dunno if I buy that Parise is starting to grow weary and that's what is causing his slump. That guy still busts his ass more than most guys on the ice every night. I haven't seen him dog it or anything. I honestly think part of the problem is the constant line changing. While I think long term that line changing will help the Devils, it's definately caused some issues while they get used to playing with everyone on the team at any given time.

I mean Clarkson on the 1st line? He certainly deserves to be rewarded but does anyone seriously think that line works? The only consistently good line we've had all year is the Parise-Elias-Gionta line and I think the Zub-Zajac-Langs line would be a nice 2nd line as well, then Clarkson-Madden-Pando, Cam/Rupp-Pelley-Brylin

Am I the only one that thinks those lines look pretty decent? I don't know, they need some consistentency for a bit I think.


I think this is the bingo. The reason for these slumps from Elias at first, Gio, Parise, Zajac has to be because of the constant switching of line combos. Sutter should make strict lines (lex75 had great combos) and let the players gel and get used to playing with each other for a change.

At first I thought there would be some ground breaking news in this thread that hinted Zach was going to be traded. But then I realized that the author was Muttley.

I think you mean 2001.

I think he means since June whatever 2006.

this is what happens when we lose a few games :shakehead
first it was elias, now that he is doing well, its on to parise, i wonder who is next :biglaugh:

this is what happens when we lose a few games :shakehead
first it was elias, now that he is doing well, its on to parise, i wonder who is next :biglaugh:

who knows, probably Brodeur

this is what happens when we lose a few games :shakehead
first it was elias, now that he is doing well, its on to parise, i wonder who is next :biglaugh:

say what you will, but if you expect a trade for anyone of decent stature, Parise will almost definitely have to be involved.

Cant wait until Phaneuf signs with a team already. Him coming to the Devils is getting old. Not that I dont him, but Lou wont get him until he's older.

this is what happens when we lose a few games :shakehead
first it was elias, now that he is doing well, its on to parise, i wonder who is next :biglaugh:

Lou to GM Toronto :sarcasm:

Not overreacting.

It's just a prediction. What's wrong with that?

Besides, some people in another thread would welcome for example, a trade of Phaneuf for Parise, if a great trade like that should never happen.

Some people feel this team needs more change, despite leading a weak Division for most of the season. That's all.
There's a difference between a prediction and making false statements of fact.

I would trade Parise for Phaneuf in a second.

While I think this thread is a whole over reaction - I would too.

The best part about Parise is his extremely marketable $3.1M/yr contract. I don't want to trade him for Phaneuf, who will have to be paid 6M+ on a long-term deal.

And no one wants Zajac? Are you out your mind Muttley? He's a good 22-year two-way center who has the potential to be Brind'Amour esque.

There's a difference between a prediction and making false statements of fact.

Making false satatemts of fact?

Oh geez come on, it's just an opinion on a message board. :shakehead

He disagreed with his coach?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!?! HE MUST BE GONE!!!

This is a hockey team not the 4th reich.

He disagreed with his coach?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!?! HE MUST BE GONE!!!

This is a hockey team not the 4th reich.

cue richers ghost putting a hitler stache on sutter

I expect all the "Parise isn't going anywhere" angry responses, but that's expected when people get complacent with Division titles and losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs every year. :sarcasm:




Like from 1996 through 1999? When we had Holik in his Prime, Arnott in Prime, Ken Daneyko, Stevens in his Prime, Niedermayer in his Prime, Brodeur in his Prime, Randy McKAy in his Prime, Elias reaching his Prime, Petr Sykora reaching his Prime, Brian Rolston, John MacLean.....we Won 40+ games just about every year and never made it out of the second round???

Like that is what you mean? :shakehead

People where saying trade Niedermayer about then also.....Made about as much sense then as this does now.

:scared:

Fire Lou and hire John Ferguson.

While Parise is are best asset, who would Lou even think of trading him for?

this is what happens when we lose a few games :shakehead
first it was elias, now that he is doing well, its on to parise, i wonder who is next :biglaugh:
**
Even with Elias' 9 points in his last 10 games, 5 of those 10 occuring in 2 games, he's still a total dissapointment.

Sorry.

Making false satatemts of fact?

I think you took Parise's comment waaaaay out of context. I would expect this kind of reaction if he said something like "Sutter is a ****ing moron, I thought we played awesome today. **** him and **** the Liberty Bell."

And you can talk all you want about how you "predicted" Julien's firing and Elias getting stripped of the C. I looked at the post where you predicted what would happen this past offseason, and you were about 12% right. So don't go around thinking you're the next Miss Cleo.

Like that is what you mean? :shakehead

People where saying trade Niedermayer about then also.....Made about as much sense then as this does now.

Well we did "like" trade Guerin for Arnott. :sarcasm:

True #1 Centers do well for this team.

So do True #1 Defenseman.

Besides, those late 1990's teams underacheived big time. You're more than welcome to equate them to the same talent level as this current squad.

Well we did "like" trade Guerin for Arnott. :sarcasm:

True #1 Centers do well for this team.

So do True #1 Defenseman.

Besides, those late 1990's teams underacheived big time. You're more than welcome to equate them to the same talent level as this current squad.

They traded Guerin at gunpoint.

Not worrying yet and Parise is going NOWHERE!

If anyone gets traded it will possibly be Gionta.

Parise IS the Devils and their future.

You think he's going to be traded, but you haven't listed anyone.

who knows, probably Brodeur

You missed it, that was done in October.

You think he's going to be traded, but you haven't listed anyone.

That's Lou's job. ;)

That's Lou's job. ;)

I can't really think of anyone besides the 'Neuf.

This is the end........my only friend the end.

No way does Lou trade Parise after grinning ear to ear in 03.

and he.... he walked on down the hall!

Parise leaves right after Brodeur becomes a Ranger. Stand down, false alarm, stand down.

Zajac, Brylin, Pandolfo, Gionta, Martin, even Elias/White with NTC's waived and heaven forbid - my man Madden could all be traded, but the 2 champaign room "no touch" players are Marty and Parise.

The force is strong with this one... he is our future, he is our destiny.

I can't really think of anyone besides the 'Neuf.

;) Well, you did agree with certain players that I liked from this thread. But then again, for some of the fanboys around here, NO player is good enough for the Devisl. People on these forums have even found things wrong with a player like Vicnent Lecavalier.:shakehead

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=439052

The point is that you can't get better without giving up quality.

This team is not built to get out of the 1st and 2nd round.

We are not the NYR where settling for a Division title is a lofty goal.

We can only go so far as our Hall Of Fame goalie, goal scoring by committee and average defense can take us.

But if and when we do lose, people will take the easy way out and blame Johnny Oduya. :sarcasm:

You missed it, that was done in October.
it went from the whole team to elias* to zajac* to parise* ;)
*oduya and rupp are a constant :D

I seriously doubt that this is the first time that Sutter and the players have disagreed, if in fact they are disagreeing. Zach's contract is a steal, and Lou loves him, and after negotiating for that contract I don't see Lou letting him go, even for the likes of Dion. Nor do I think that guys like Clarkson, Zajac, Martin, or Halischuk are rats in a gutter.

Besides, Marty's stated before that Sutter gives them a lot of input on game strategies and other things, so he's open to discussions with the guys.

Wasn't there a story where Cam Ward got in some serious fight with Sutter in juniors and then the next day he went to apologize for the argument and Sutter said "We had an argument?". It'd take a LOT more than some tacit disagreement about whether he's playing well or not before Sutter would even think of wanting Zach shipped out.

And no one wants Zajac? Are you out your mind Muttley? He's a good 22-year two-way center who has the potential to be Brind'Amour esque.

If Travis Zajac turns into a Rod Brind'Amour, we'd all drop dead of hapiness. :handclap:

But Zajac gets pushed around too much despite his size. I don't see any similarites between Zajac & Brindy. He certainly doesn't have Brindy's mean streak either, that's for sure.

You're really not being fair to Zajac and are overstating his value.

Sorry.

Wasn't there a story where Cam Ward got in some serious fight with Sutter in juniors and then the next day he went to apologize for the argument and Sutter said "We had an argument?". It'd take a LOT more than some tacit disagreement about whether he's playing well or not before Sutter would even think of wanting Zach shipped out.


Asham and Sutter went at it THIS season, and Asham is still here. Muttley is clueless.

Asham and Sutter went at it THIS season, and Asham is still here. Muttley is clueless.
And didn't Sutter say something like, "If it lights a fire under these guys I don't mind if they get mad at me?" or something like that?

cue richers ghost putting a hitler stache on sutter

Hmmm I swore I posted this already--- did a mod delete it????

any-who...

I feel so dirty... :sarcasm:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/vagel117/tradezach.jpg

Hmmm I swore I posted this already--- did a mod delete it????

any-who...

I feel so dirty... :sarcasm:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/vagel117/tradezach.jpg

LOLZ I love it.

And didn't Sutter say something like, "If it lights a fire under these guys I don't mind if they get mad at me?" or something like that?

Yea, Sutter knows emotions run high as the season wears on. He's not a whiny diva, he's not going to hold grudges and run to Lou and demand trades whenever a player disagrees with him. I bet Sutter didn't even acknowledge Parise's comment. He probably glanced over it when he was reading the paper on the can this morning, pinched out a loaf, and then moved on to the comics.

I nominate the original post in this thread for dumbest post of the year. We should really keep track of these and vote on them at the end of the season.

They traded Guerin at gunpoint.

Shame that Guerin like demanded a trade too. His trade value was actually diminished because of it, but still, I'd say Arnott worked out well.

Yea, Sutter knows emotions run high as the season wears on. He's not a whiny diva, he's not going to hold grudges and run to Lou and demand trades whenever a player disagrees with him. I bet Sutter didn't even acknowledge Parise's comment. He probably glanced over it when he was reading the paper on the can this morning, pinched out a loaf, and then moved on to the comics.

I nominate the original post in this thread for dumbest post of the year. We should really keep track of these and vote on them at the end of the season.

Are you like 8? How about we nominate you as the most immature poster of the year?

If this thread angers you so much, just grow up and don't read it, O.K.?

Edit: And ironically, you have Dion Phaneuf wanted in your avatar.

How the heck do you expect to get Dion Phaneuf here without giving up quality in return?

Unless of course, you're one of those who believes an Andy Greene can traded for a Phaneuf.





Shame that Guerin like demanded a trade too. His trade value was actually diminished because of it, but still, I'd say Arnott worked out well.

I wouldn't mind Arnott back.

Lets trade up our best forward and best forward for our future for Defensive help! :D

Seriously, keep Parise, wait for Lou to Draft some Defencemens for this year Draft(We could have Matt Corrente coming to NJ next year..) Or, we could even take a look at the Free Agents this year.

The only way I trade Parise is if Weber, Phaneuf or JayBo are coming back.

Are you like 8? How about we nominate you as the most immature poster of the year?

If this thread angers you so much, just grow up and don't read it, O.K.?

Look Broseph, if anyone needs to mature it's you. We lose 2 games in a row and you come in here acting like the world is coming to an end. You're MIA when this team is winning, but as soon as they go on a skid you step in and start the "Trade Everyone" crap. Relax and have some patience, we've still got a long way to go.

That being said, I'm glad this team is on a skid right now, it'll bring everyone back down to earth, and it makes it easier for Lou to see where our weaknesses are and how we're going to fix them.

I don't get the whole "Trade your leading scorer to better your offense" thing. The Bruins tried that. It backfired.

Lets trade up our best forward and best forward for our future for Defensive help! :D

Seriously, keep Parise, wait for Lou to Draft some Defencemens for this year Draft(We could have Matt Corrente coming to NJ next year..) Or, we could even take a look at the Free Agents this year.

Good point, but a quality defenseman will cost over $5 million, possibly up to $10 million. Even with the salary cap increasing, we won't have the cap room unless we give up a player or players with high salaries. Like Elias, Gionta, etc.

I dont disagree with fact Zach may be traded at some point but I dont feel like this team should rebuild until after Brodeur retires. We have to get the most out of his talent nowand i dont feel traded our best player now would do that. I also have to disagree with our prospect problem, i honestly feel we are not as bad off as we all think. I know we dont have any superstars but we have some nice talent.

Edit: And ironically, you have Dion Phaneuf wanted in your avatar.

How the heck do you expect to get Dion Phaneuf here without giving up quality in return?

Unless of course, you're one of those who believes an Andy Greene can traded for a Phaneuf.

I'd give up Parise for Phaneuf, where did I say that I wouldn't? My point was that even if Lou decides to trade Zach, his "disagreement" with Sutter will not factor into that decision AT ALL.

Good point, but a quality defenseman will cost over $5 million, possibly up to $10 million. Even with the salary cap increasing, we won't have the cap room unless we give up a player or players with high salaries.

That's why waiting and go through the Draft would be the better thing to do.

That being said, I'm glad this team is on a skid right now, it'll bring everyone back down to earth, and it makes it easier for Lou to see where our weaknesses are and how we're going to fix them.

Oh, so now you acknowledge that there are weaknesses to begin with, which require changes to be made like perhaps getting a Dion Phaneuf (which is what you want according to your Avatar) yet you want to keep everyone on the team and get something for nothing.

If not Parise, what the heck do you think will bring Dion Phanuef here???

The Kings will gladly trade you Cammalleri straight up for Parise.

That's why waiting and go through the Draft would be the better thing to do.

But we draft at like number 20 every year. What kind of impact defenseman do you expect to get that low?

The Kings will gladly trade you Cammalleri straight up for Parise.

Can you throw in Kopitar or Frolov?

Both? :)

I'd give up Parise for Phaneuf, where did I say that I wouldn't? My point was that even if Lou decides to trade Zach, his "disagreement" with Sutter will not factor into that decision AT ALL.

O.K. fine.

I still like your avatar and let's hope it comes true. ;)

The Kings will gladly trade you Cammalleri straight up for Parise.

Throw in Kopitar and Visnovski and you got yourself a deal. ;)

Oh, so now you acknowledge that there are weaknesses to begin with, which require changes to be made like perhaps getting a Dion Phaneuf (which is what you want according to your Avatar) yet you want to keep everyone on the team and get something for nothing.

If not Parise, what the heck do you think will bring Dion Phanuef here???

Where the **** did I say I'm not willing to give up anything for Phaneuf? Find the post where I said that and show it to me. I'm not even talking about that, all I've been talking about in this thread is how you're taking a meaningless quote by Parise from today's paper and presenting it as a legitimate reason for him getting traded in the near future. That's all. Jesus Christ...

tickle fight!!!!!

:pillow:

Throw in Kopitar and Visnovski and you got yourself a deal. ;)

- Visnovski, + Jack Johnson

Hmmm I swore I posted this already--- did a mod delete it????

any-who...

I feel so dirty... :sarcasm:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/vagel117/tradezach.jpg

HAHHAHAHAH, i knew it was going to be awesome like that

We can barely score goals anyhow, nevermind trading our leading point-getter and goal scorer for a so-called "savior" of a defenseman. We will have to trade prospects and picks to a seller if we really want to improve.

We're tied for 2nd in goals against, so I think trading a guy who has like-it-or-not carried the offense the whole year for a defenseman who will probably be old and overpaid is ludacris.

HAHHAHAHAH, i knew it was going to be awesome like that


wow! he goes and makes it an avatar.... :biglaugh:

Not worrying yet and Parise is going NOWHERE!

If anyone gets traded it will possibly be Gionta.

Parise IS the Devils and their future.

Thank you Hells.

The sky has collapsed on this board.

wow! he goes and makes it an avatar.... :biglaugh:

i had to it was so perfect

haha gunnar that avitar is great:biglaugh:


this should make for a nice read....ill try to comment upon finishing this jewel:D

haha gunnar that avitar is great:biglaugh:


this should make for a nice read....ill try to comment upon finishing this jewel:D

haha thanks yea, Rg made it

haha thanks yea, Rg made it

cheers to u both in either case haha



...but anyways, i couldnt read past page 2 1/2. parise and brodeur are the only ones not going anywhere for a while. everyone else is expendable. so zach is the only player of value that will fetch a superstar??? er....no. this team hasnt gotten the points and W's with just marty, zach and a bunch of schlubs on luck alone. theres good talent and some highly tradeable chips on the team. and with the nhl being the way it is now, and recent trades being made with suprise players.....anything is possible.

haha thanks yea, Rg made it

Do I get partial credit for the idea or did RG already have that made?

I like the Fox Newesque job you did on the title. Say something ridiculous, but put a question mark at the end of it, so nobody can call you out on it.

I like the Fox Newesque job you did on the title. Say something ridiculous, but put a question mark at the end of it, so nobody can call you out on it.

10 out of 10 "conservatives" disagree. :nono:

Do I get partial credit for the idea or did RG already have that made?

haha yea absolutely without that comment non of this would be possible:handclap:

haha yea absolutely without that comment non of this would be possible:handclap:

Ok good. Now I feel clever :)

Ok good. Now I feel clever :)

ja wohl mein sütter is another alternative haha

The best part about Parise is his extremely marketable $3.1M/yr contract. I don't want to trade him for Phaneuf, who will have to be paid 6M+ on a long-term deal.

And no one wants Zajac? Are you out your mind Muttley? He's a good 22-year two-way center who has the potential to be Brind'Amour esque.

What?! Compare him to anyone BUT Rod Brindamour because both have the exact OPPOSITE body types. Please anybody but him. I understand your allegiance to Zajac, but get real.

What?! Compare him to anyone BUT Rod Brindamour because both have the exact OPPOSITE body types. Please anybody but him. I understand your allegiance to Zajac, but get real.

Um, what? They're similar in size and Zajac is still only 22. He hasn't completely filled out his frame. Anyway, I was moreso referring to the style of play.

Zach aint going anywhere, bottom line.

Wow, this thread wins arguments...

Im off the boards for one night, and this is what happens??? Tsk Tsk people.....

While I agree Parise isnt untradeable, why should we trade our most touted prospect since Neidermayer, and who Sutter himself compared to Crosby....

Too much Moutain Dew and Lucky Charms is bad for you americano's.....

Too much Moutain Dew and Lucky Charms is bad for you americano's.....

...its possible, but i still blame mtv for our collective downward spiral:D

...its possible, but i still blame mtv for our collective downward spiral:D

I know dude, what happened to just showing music videos, music documentarys and movie trailers, like back in the day???

I think I will throw up if I have to watch anymore teenie-bop-bubblegum programs about rich Californians, or highschool geeks who want to be wras'tlers.....

Damn it I hate MTV...

I have not really read the whole thread, and while I don´t think that anybody except Brodeur is untradeable, I just don´t see it happening.

I mean, sure we could package Parise and trade him away, and get who and what in return? Dion Phaneuf? Give me a break, do you guys really believe that getting Phaneuf for the price of Parise +++ will make us a better team? Ridiculous. Phaneuf is great and I would love to see him in a Devils dress, but that guys seems to be so overrated around here it is not even possible. The only logical thing to do would be to trade Zach for a player that is absolutely elite. I mean Lecavalier for instance...if you get a Vincent Lecavalier and sign him to an extension for 4 5 years, than yes, maybe our team would be a better one. But how many players of that caliber would be available? And you have to take Parise´s contract into account. Let´s trade away Parise and get a player of a 7.5 million Salary insteand, who will score more goals, but who will, at the same time deprive us of valuable capspace.

I am not saying, never trade him, but just because he has not seen eye to eye with Sutter on the issue does not mean he s gonna get traded.

parise weekes and white for lecavalier and denis

mmmmmmmm

The only sentiment I disagree with on this thread is not trading Parise because he is our future or waiting to rebuild the D through the draft. By the time you can rebuild your D through the draft, Brodeur will be retired. I am more than willing to bargain our future to try and win in the next couple of seasons while Marty is still here. Our whole franchise will be rebuilt when Marty retires, worry about all of that then, win now! I'm not advocating trading Parise and the premise of this thread that he is setting himself up to be traded by disagreeing with the coach is just plain dumb, BUT the idea that we should never trade Zach because he is our future is just not realistic.

And for those that don't understand why we want defensemen, we are still a team that plays D first hockey, and you can't do that when you have maybe 3 quality NHL dmen. Zach and Gionta have been in the skids for well over a month now and the Devils have been scoring enough to win, they could live without one of them if they can make a stronger defense out of it.

Parise isn't going anywhere. The Devils are getting way to much bang for their buck so to speak with Parise at only $3 million a year. It would have to be something absolutely outrageous for the Devils to even conside trading him. Its not gonna happen. Period.

Parise isn't going anywhere. The Devils are getting way to much bang for their buck so to speak with Parise at only $3 million a year. It would have to be something absolutely outrageous for the Devils to even conside trading him. Its not gonna happen. Period.

Well said mate!!

Seriously, im tired of all this #1 Dman stuff, it really is annoying.

Unless that dman can pot 30 goals a year, it isnt going to help us... To drewr, our offense scores enough goals to win?? Are you serious??

The NHL has changed, sure having 2 HOF defenseman is still going to win you cups (Anaheim) but so is depth through scoring (Carolina) and a hot goalie (Carolina, Tampa Bay) We have the goalie, we need the scoring, its our defense that is giving us a chance to win every game, the offense simply isnt pulling its weight...

Being dead last is scoring again, is getting beyond ridiculous....

Well said mate!!

Seriously, im tired of all this #1 Dman stuff, it really is annoying.

Unless that dman can pot 30 goals a year, it isnt going to help us... To drewr, our offense scores enough goals to win?? Are you serious??

Did someone say Rafalski? LOL

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=228572&hubname=nhl

It looks like the Calgary Flames are close to locking up one of their cornerstone players.

Sources tell TSN that Dion Phaneuf is on the verge of signing a contract extension with the club, with only a few minor details to be worked out.

The 22-year old defenceman has six goals and 26 assists in 50 games this season.

Phaneuf is scheduled to be a restricted free agent this summer.

Did someone say Rafalski? LOL

Haha fair enough...

But anyone who is happy with our offense (last in the league) and is more concered with the defense (tied for 2nd in GA) then they need a CATscan, MRI and a damn colonic....

Haha fair enough...

But anyone who is happy with our offense (last in the league) and is more concered with the defense (tied for 2nd in GA) then they need a CATscan, MRI and a damn colonic....

No I agree with Sutter, a good defense is everything, offense will come with a good solid defensive play. We haven't been doing that. Our system is based on generating offense from a good defense. All of our Cup teams had that going for them.

Haha fair enough...

But anyone who is happy with our offense (last in the league) and is more concered with the defense (tied for 2nd in GA) then they need a CATscan, MRI and a damn colonic....

Anyone who thinks our defense is good needs the same thing. Our GAA is all about one person, and one person alone. We have possibly the worst 1-6 defense lineup in the league. It would be such a damn shame if we end up wasting the last few years of his career playing behind this cast of AHL scrubs.

We have two legitimate, solid NHL defensemen right now, and one of them has one eye.

We need an anchor for that backline. The scoring on this team has always initiated in our own zone, that is a huge reason why we can't score. I mean, look at our PP point men. I wish there was a barfing smiley for that.

But we draft at like number 20 every year. What kind of impact defenseman do you expect to get that low?


Its the way the Devils works. We picked Matt Corrente with the 30th overall pick back in 2006... And see what happened? He had two very good training camps, and I expect him to be part of our team next year.

We're not asking for a IMPACT Defencemen right now... This year draft's a deep one, especially for Defencemens. Lou and Conte could still work out a deal to get a higher pick in the Draft.. But I trust them. They have done a great job of drafting for the last 18+years or so.. Its not like we add a Defencemen, and.. TRALA! We're Stanley Cup contenders.

I'd prefer to build our future now, rather than just try to get an impact Defencemen, and spend our 1st and 2 for a higher 1st or, trading 1st ect for an impact defencemen. ANd.. Marty's going to be 36. In 3-4years, he might retire. I seriously doubt that at this time, the Devils will win an other Cup. Well, they could , if they Draft some defencemens and sign key players through Free agency...

Still,we'll have to wait.

Chere says Parise, Zajac say Sutter's charges right on the money (http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1201761320306290.xml&coll=1)

Devils coach Brent Sutter, rarely one to hide his feelings after a disappointing loss, suggested that Parise and linemate Travis Zajac had not played well in Tuesday night's loss to the Penguins.

Parise concurred.

"There's no way to sugarcoat it," Parise said yesterday. "We didn't play well last game. We played bad. Up until then I thought we played some pretty good games.

"He's right. It's our responsibility to outplay the other team's best players and we haven't done that. There is no one else to blame but ourselves."

Haha fair enough...

But anyone who is happy with our offense (last in the league) and is more concered with the defense (tied for 2nd in GA) then they need a CATscan, MRI and a damn colonic....

But at least some of us (me included) think a big reason for the lack of offense is that we don't have a single good offensive defenseman. Martin is average offensively, and the rest are below average. Yes, even board hero Andy Greene has been below average offensively this year.

Chere says Parise, Zajac say Sutter's charges right on the money (http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1201761320306290.xml&coll=1)

Nice find DBY, this should put an end to this crazy conversation.

Our offense has been stagnant since 2003. After hundreds of line changes through the span of several coaches, several free agent offensive acquisitions, and the failure for prospects and draft picks to develop into potent & consistent offensive threats, it is time to continue to remake this team.

You can't get quality players without giving up quality. Nobody wants Johnny Oduya or David Clarkson or even Travis Zajac.

The only tradeable asset we have that can give us something of value in return is Zach Parise.

And these first public comments, in which he publicly disagrees with Sutter, is the beginning of the end of his career as a Devil. Lamoriello has given Sutter the green light all season and will let Sutter call for a trade of Parise if desired.

I say that either by the trade deadline or before the start of next season, our best player will be gone for someone that will change our team for the better. I was among the few who predicted Julien would be fired and Patrik Elias would be not remain as team Captain.

I expect all the "Parise isn't going anywhere" angry responses, but that's expected when people get complacent with Division titles and losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs every year. :sarcasm:


Sutter made it clear that it wasn’t about offense. He certainly noticed that line was on the ice for the Penguins’ first two goals tonight.

“This has nothing to do with scoring goals,” he said. “It has to do with the detail of the game, the little things, turnovers. I think that’s their problem right now. They’re worrying too much about scoring goals and there’s other areas that you have to be good at.”

Parise didn’t completely agree with his coach. “Tonight was bad, but I think we’ve been playing pretty well lately,” Parise said. “Yeah, we had a bad game tonight.”

http://njmg.typepad.com/devilsblog/2008/01/sutter-calls-ou.html#more

Parise is a good player for the devils but i am not sure he is a marquee (sp) player, his jitteryness (not a word) with the puck really bothers me at times but overall i think he brings a whole lot to the table on most nights.

he forechecks great, he hits, he can get a quick shot off, but there is definately something missing from his game from a pure offensive threat standpoint, and maybe that is the lack of a real playmaking center on his line? so it would be interesting to see.

I do disagree with you however on the fact that clarkson and zajac have no value. they have lots of value in a trade. but if the devils are going to bring over more than a rental and a stalwart for years parise would be the main guy in any trade.

Yea, let's move our best player other than Marty who's 23 years old and is having a bad month.

Nice find DBY, this should put an end to this crazy conversation.
Hahaha, yeah right. I blame Gulitti for making it sound like Parise disagreed totally with Sutter ;)

But at least some of us (me included) think a big reason for the lack of offense is that we don't have a single good offensive defenseman. Martin is average offensively, and the rest are below average. Yes, even board hero Andy Greene has been below average offensively this year.

I agree, we do need more offense for the blue line, but I dont know why people keep harping on about getting a #1 offensive dman, ie campbell, boyle as they are glorified PP QB's, who have played on teams with amazing offensive talent in front of them.

Im more in the thinking that they should add a PP specialist dman, nothing thats gunna break the bank, but someone who can keep the puck in the zone and dish a good shot and pass, in the mold of a mark streit or matthew carle....

Trading for an overhyped guy like Boyle or Campbell gets us absolutely nowhere in the playoffs.

Trading Parise + for Phaneuf/Weber etc etc, yeah I can see how trading our biggest offensive threat is going to really help our offense...

I don't know if parise needs to be traded or who needs to be traded.
but some body needs to go some where for some body.
no all joking aside we need to make a big move in order to have a chance in the playoffs.
how about gionta and green
for Sergei Fedorov , Adam Foot & a #1 draft choice
power play becomes good to great ,our d becomes stronger ,and we get a #1 draft pick in a deep draft.

Well said mate!!

Seriously, im tired of all this #1 Dman stuff, it really is annoying.

Unless that dman can pot 30 goals a year, it isnt going to help us... To drewr, our offense scores enough goals to win?? Are you serious??

The NHL has changed, sure having 2 HOF defenseman is still going to win you cups (Anaheim) but so is depth through scoring (Carolina) and a hot goalie (Carolina, Tampa Bay) We have the goalie, we need the scoring, its our defense that is giving us a chance to win every game, the offense simply isnt pulling its weight...

Being dead last is scoring again, is getting beyond ridiculous....

The offense isn't pulling its weight because the D can't get the puck out of the zone and up to them. Martin is the only defenseman who can even remotely lead a rush up ice or join a rush and give the offense another option. The past two games we had leads and blew them, not the offenses fault. And the past few games more and more teams are crashing the crease around Brodeur and nobody, and I mean nobody, is knocking anybody around down there. Even some wins that we've pulled out of our you know whats, I am amazed at the amount of scoring chances from our slot. The Sabres game in Buffalo on the 12th, they controlled the front of our net for 2 periods, it was awful. This team right now is not constructed to win anything in the postseason with this defense, its just not happening.

Trading Parise + for Phaneuf/Weber etc etc, yeah I can see how trading our biggest offensive threat is going to really help our offense...

Just because he is our biggest offensive threat, and considering how little he has scored the past month that is highly debatable that he is, doesn't mean we need improvement more in other areas.

Chere says Parise, Zajac say Sutter's charges right on the money (http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1201761320306290.xml&coll=1)

Mature response on Zach's part, I like.

The offense isn't pulling its weight because the D can't get the puck out of the zone and up to them. Martin is the only defenseman who can even remotely lead a rush up ice or join a rush and give the offense another option. The past two games we had leads and blew them, not the offenses fault. And the past few games more and more teams are crashing the crease around Brodeur and nobody, and I mean nobody, is knocking anybody around down there. Even some wins that we've pulled out of our you know whats, I am amazed at the amount of scoring chances from our slot. The Sabres game in Buffalo on the 12th, they controlled the front of our net for 2 periods, it was awful. This team right now is not constructed to win anything in the postseason with this defense, its just not happening.

Outisde of the Madden line, the defense has been getting little to no help from the forwards in the defensive zone. Defensive stalwarts like Zajac and Langs have also been very questionable in our own end the last 15 games.

Last year the PZL line was our go to line because they looked like they were having fun out there, doing their job on the forecheck, winning the battles and creating scoring oppurtunities.

Sutter hit the nail on the head when he said they seemed too worried about putting the puck in the net, than actually creating the oppurtunities for themselves.

Just because Parise has had a bad month, isnt a reason to believe he is going to be a one-dimensional scrub in the future. I bet if you even breathed the words to Lou Lams about trading Parise, he would knock you out.

Lou is not a stupid man, he will land us what we need, but we dont have to overpay to get it. Plenty of PP/offensive dmen who could do an admirable job would likely be available.

Just because he is our biggest offensive threat, and considering how little he has scored the past month that is highly debatable that he is, doesn't mean we need improvement more in other areas.

Ummm ok then bra'h....

I guess you were one of the guys who, before Travis got hot, wanted him traded too...

Players go in slumps and streaks all the time. Stop being so over-reactionary.

parise isn't going anywhere. you don't trade future stars like that.

But we draft at like number 20 every year. What kind of impact defenseman do you expect to get that low?


I'm still not understanding this draft position excuse. What is the problem with drafting at 20? You can still get a very good player at this stage in the draft. Remember, IT"S ONLY THE FIRST ROUND. These guys are supposed to be the cream of the crop. I especially don't like the excuse when I see Detroit have great drafts year in and year out and turn out players from their farm system like it was a god dam assembly line.

I'm still not understanding this draft position excuse. What is the problem with drafting at 20? You can still get a very good player at this stage in the draft. Remember, IT"S ONLY THE FIRST ROUND. These guys are supposed to be the cream of the crop. I especially don't like the excuse when I see Detroit have great drafts year in and year out and turn out players from their farm system like it was a god dam assembly line.

:handclap:
that use to be us too

Just because Parise has had a bad month, isnt a reason to believe he is going to be a one-dimensional scrub in the future. I bet if you even breathed the words to Lou Lams about trading Parise, he would knock you out.

Lou is not a stupid man, he will land us what we need, but we dont have to overpay to get it. Plenty of PP/offensive dmen who could do an admirable job would likely be available.

Your right, Lou is not a dumb man. Definitely not dumb enough to put his love for one player before improving the team. I'm not saying that we need to trade Parise but these childish notions that he is untouchable are just that, childish. And I never said he was a one dimensional scrub, I just don't subscribe to the belief that he is our best offensive threat. I don't think he is any more dangerous than Langs, Elias or Gio. But hey keep trying to put words in my mouth to make your point.

Ummm ok then bra'h....

I guess you were one of the guys who, before Travis got hot, wanted him traded too...

Players go in slumps and streaks all the time. Stop being so over-reactionary.

There you go again, do you always need to make wild allegations of what people have said to make your points because someone disagrees with your fantasy that Parise is untouchable? Stop shoveling the BS and get over yourself.

Your right, Lou is not a dumb man. Definitely not dumb enough to put his love for one player before improving the team. I'm not saying that we need to trade Parise but these childish notions that he is untouchable are just that, childish. And I never said he was a one dimensional scrub, I just don't subscribe to the belief that he is our best offensive threat. I don't think he is any more dangerous than Langs, Elias or Gio. But hey keep trying to put words in my mouth to make your point.

I never claimed he was untouchable either, so dont put words in my mouth either kind sir....

This has gone offtrack, I apologise.

There you go again, do you always need to make wild allegations of what people have said to make your points because someone disagrees with your fantasy that Parise is untouchable? Stop shoveling the BS and get over yourself.

After reading that, I quickly withdrawl my apology, and give you the old two finger English salute.

I never claimed he was untouchable either, so dont put words in my mouth either kind sir....

This has gone offtrack, I apologise.



Just because Parise has had a bad month, isnt a reason to believe he is going to be a one-dimensional scrub in the future. I bet if you even breathed the words to Lou Lams about trading Parise, he would knock you out.



Well I'm not really sure how else to take that response you made to me other than that you feel he is untouchable or at least pretty darn close but whatever.

After reading that, I quickly withdrawl my apology, and give you the old two finger English salute.

Have a good sit on them for me while they are up.

Well I'm not really sure how else to take that response you made to me other than that you feel he is untouchable or at least pretty darn close but whatever.

Meh, my words were harsh....

Loosing is not good for a Devils fan immune system, it gives us the crazies...

Meh, my words were harsh....

Loosing is not good for a Devils fan immune system, it gives us the crazies...

I agree and I just really feel our D is more a problem than our O and I don't get me wrong I love Zach, but I don't feel he is unreplaceable and untradable. I don't want to, I'd love Lou to improve this D without moving any big pieces up front but I wouldn't be opposed to moving him if it means improving the team. And that's my point to all these, ZAch's never being traded he is our future posts.

Now with Phaneuf out of the picture Parise shouldn't be going anywhere unless a Vinny Lax, Malkin or an ELITE player who can put fear in the opponents' eyes and more fannies in the seats comes our way.

Well you could tension in this thread with a blunt spoon.

We need some of RG's chillout tunes to lighten this joint up.

Parise is not going anywhere. Who in thier right mind would trade him and for what? :shakehead

marleau and a first.

marleau and a first.

If you want Parise with Thornton, you're going to need to give up alot more.

Well you could tension in this thread with a blunt spoon.

We need some of RG's chillout tunes to lighten this joint up.

Try this on iTunes radio or winamp

Link (http://pri.kts-af.net/redir/index.pls?esid=6c17d1f7c5ff3d50905b063cf952b8d0&url_no=1&client_id=7&uid=68efed4d03ec7e45fd3978262c107180&clicksrc=xml)

The only way I trade Parise is if Weber, Phaneuf or JayBo are coming back.

I guarantee that none of the three are headed to NJ, so why would we trade Parise? Oh thats right, another overreaction. Lamoriello is smarter than to trade our 23 year old leading scorer that is signed at a reasonable price. There are several reasons not to trade Parise, but mostly it would just be stupid.

p.s. Didn't I say he would come after Parise when he went into a slump? The man has no patience.

I guarantee that none of the three are headed to NJ, so why would we trade Parise? Oh thats right, another overreaction. Lamoriello is smarter than to trade our 23 year old leading scorer that is signed at a reasonable price. There are several reasons not to trade Parise, but mostly it would just be stupid.

p.s. Didn't I say he would come after Parise when he went into a slump? The man has no patience.

< $4M for a 23-year-old leading scoring is a steal. :teach:

< $4M for a 23-year-old leading scoring is a steal. :teach:

3.1 million is what I think the figure is.

Now with Phaneuf out of the picture Parise shouldn't be going anywhere unless a Vinny Lax, Malkin or an ELITE player who can put fear in the opponents' eyes and more fannies in the seats comes our way.

Weren't we supposed to trade Gomez + for Lecavalier a few years back?

Weren't we supposed to trade Gomez + for Lecavalier a few years back?

Reporters pipe dream. If that were true I'd have traded Gomez + Rafalski for Lecavalier knowing they'd leave soon :sarcasm:

No way you trade Parise for Bouwmeester or Weber. We are a team that is struggling to score goals as it is and everyone wants to shore up our defense by trading our best offensive player.

Do you really think it would make us better? If anything we would be worse.

We'd be losing games 1-0, 2-1 all the time.

No way you trade Parise for Bouwmeester or Weber. We are a team that is struggling to score goals as it is and everyone wants to shore up our defense by trading our best offensive player.

Do you really think it would make us better? If anything we would be worse.

We'd be losing games 1-0, 2-1 all the time.

I would argue that we'd be better in the longrun, especially after Brodeur retires, but yeah scoring would be even tougher than it is now. Defensemen of that type of talent don't come around often and its a tough trade off but one I'd do without a second thought.

No way you trade Parise for Bouwmeester or Weber. We are a team that is struggling to score goals as it is and everyone wants to shore up our defense by trading our best offensive player.

Do you really think it would make us better? If anything we would be worse.

We'd be losing games 1-0, 2-1 all the time.

Asolutely correct. We've been one of the lowest scoring teams for several years now. What Lou needs to do is sign Campbell in the off-season and over-pay if he has too. We need offense from the back to front. Trading Parise for a defenseman would be a major mistake.

I think you took Parise's comment waaaaay out of context. I would expect this kind of reaction if he said something like "Sutter is a ****ing moron, I thought we played awesome today. **** him and **** the Liberty Bell."

And you can talk all you want about how you "predicted" Julien's firing and Elias getting stripped of the C. I looked at the post where you predicted what would happen this past offseason, and you were about 12% right. So don't go around thinking you're the next Miss Cleo.

Precisely... Mutts patting his own back in the initial post, conveniently forgetting the 28 wrong things he predicted along with the Elias "C" and Julien's firing, makes this reek of silly self-aggrandizement.

Although it has quickly attracted six pages of discussion, so obviously a provocative notion.

MY PREDICTION, no blockbusters this season, as per usual.

marleau and a first.

add Marcel Goc and il think about it

add Marcel Goc and il think about it

Trading Parise for Marleau and Goc doesn't help us really, Zach has more points than both of them combined this year I believe. A draft pick won't help us in the playoffs either.

I'm not very high on Parise right now, but there's no way I'd trade him and his $3.1 million in exchange for Marleau and his $6 million a year. Parise is twice as good and makes half that salary.

I'd trade Gionta in exchange for Marleau though. Straight up. Even deal.

Both Marleau and Gionta could use a change of scenery.

What the lines would look like:

Elias-Marleau-Zubrus
Parise-Zajac-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Madden-Clarkson
Rupp-Brylin-Asham

I'm not very high on Parise right now, but there's no way I'd trade him and his $3.1 million in exchange for Marleau and his $6 million a year. Parise is twice as good and makes half that salary.

I'd trade Gionta in exchange for Marleau though. Straight up. Even deal.

Both Marleau and Gionta could use a change of scenery.

What the lines would look like:

Elias-Marleau-Zubrus
Parise-Zajac-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Madden-Clarkson
Rupp-Brylin-Asham

It'll take more than just Gionta to get Marleau. Probably a pick or a prospect. Centers are valued more highly and Marleau has more of a track record than Gionta has.

The only sentiment I disagree with on this thread is not trading Parise because he is our future or waiting to rebuild the D through the draft. By the time you can rebuild your D through the draft, Brodeur will be retired. I am more than willing to bargain our future to try and win in the next couple of seasons while Marty is still here. Our whole franchise will be rebuilt when Marty retires, worry about all of that then, win now! I'm not advocating trading Parise and the premise of this thread that he is setting himself up to be traded by disagreeing with the coach is just plain dumb, BUT the idea that we should never trade Zach because he is our future is just not realistic.

And for those that don't understand why we want defensemen, we are still a team that plays D first hockey, and you can't do that when you have maybe 3 quality NHL dmen. Zach and Gionta have been in the skids for well over a month now and the Devils have been scoring enough to win, they could live without one of them if they can make a stronger defense out of it.

Thanks for your objective post Drew.

It's one thing to demand a certain player be traded for no reason at all and another to understand that sacrificing this player for the betterment of the entire team could perhaps be the best course of action for this team's fortunes. We both fall among the latter opinion, but for some reason or another, some of the fanboys are painting us as falling under the former.

And I'm sure the mood in the Devils locker room has been sour lately, so it's not
a "dumb" premise. Especially since the offense has struggled for years and it's almost unanimous that change is needed to advance, and most intelligent observers understand that you have to give up quality to get quality in return.

Finally, there was a post during our 9 game win streak entitled, "Mottau is better than Rafalski."

Now that was "dumb". :sarcasm:

I agree and I just really feel our D is more a problem than our O and I don't get me wrong I love Zach, but I don't feel he is unreplaceable and untradable. I don't want to, I'd love Lou to improve this D without moving any big pieces up front but I wouldn't be opposed to moving him if it means improving the team. And that's my point to all these, ZAch's never being traded he is our future posts.

yup i feel the same way

Parise is in a slump. Oh no. Trade him.

If you want Parise with Thornton, you're going to need to give up alot more.

matteo, you avatar and headline combined looks like you want dion traded for zach (which would realistically work as an offer, but still) :biglaugh::biglaugh:

It'll take more than just Gionta to get Marleau. Probably a pick or a prospect. Centers are valued more highly and Marleau has more of a track record than Gionta has.

I would still do that to get Marleau.

I would still do that to get Marleau.

So would I.

Gionta + something reasonable for Marleau isn't bad at all.

Trading Parise for Marleau and Goc doesn't help us really, Zach has more points than both of them combined this year I believe. A draft pick won't help us in the playoffs either.

I wouldn't do that , i was trying to be insulting and a smart ass.
jeeeeez

Thanks for your objective post Drew.

It's one thing to demand a certain player be traded for no reason at all and another to understand that sacrificing this player for the betterment of the entire team could perhaps be the best course of action for this team's fortunes. We both fall among the latter opinion, but for some reason or another, some of the fanboys are painting us as falling under the former.

And I'm sure the mood in the Devils locker room has been sour lately, so it's not
a "dumb" premise. Especially since the offense has struggled for years and it's almost unanimous that change is needed to advance, and most intelligent observers understand that you have to give up quality to get quality in return.

Finally, there was a post during our 9 game win streak entitled, "Mottau is better than Rafalski."

Now that was "dumb". :sarcasm:

Maybe dumb wasn't the right word. Basically your post reminded me of what alot of reporters do (especially NY Post hockey reporters) to create drama. I can't tell you how many times I've watched a post game show and heard a player in an interview say "I think we played a good game, I was disappointed in our play in our zone but overall we played fine", only to see a headline the next day that reads "so and so is disappointed in team's play, is looking to be traded". Just not a fan of that kind of stuff. If you had just said, hey this team still needs some work to get over the hump and you know what, Zach is a player who unfortunately could get traded because, as you say, you have to give up something to get something, I'd been less critical.

Gio would hit another 40 goals if he was on thornton's line :cry:

Sounds like a great idea. Next we can trade Martin to improve our defence!