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Does anyone think that if we were to sign Marian, that Marcel may play better? Also, I would like to see Marian as a blue shirt even though would be paying a good amount of money for him. Plus, anything to get Marcel back into his groove again would be nice.

don't think they could afford him past a rent a player for this season

it will be costly in trade too

I was thinking more so if we let some older players go and had him take a leading postion along with Drury and Gomez it could maybe benefit the team.

Also, I understand that this would possibly only happen if players left and we still really have no idea if that will happen.

I just wanted to see if people thought Marcel may play better if his brother was on the team.

Honestly, do you guys really need anymore top 6 forwards?
Plus, you guys are right up against the cap so signing him at 6 million per. seems unlikely.

i believe he would, they play oppisite wings, both very good on defense, would make a nice 2nd line with drury in the middle to back up avery jagr gomez. Down side is shanahan and straka would have to go, shanny i wouldnt mind if he retired but straka has been flyin lately

i believe he would, they play oppisite wings, both very good on defense, would make a nice 2nd line with drury in the middle to back up avery jagr gomez. Down side is shanahan and straka would have to go, shanny i wouldnt mind if he retired but straka has been flyin lately

We won't have any room for him unless Lundqvist signs for less money and Rozival is either gone or signs for less money, Mara will have to be gone, Shanny, Straka aswell probably Jags too

We won't have any room for him unless Lundqvist signs for less money and Rozival is either gone or signs for less money, Mara will have to be gone, Shanny, Straka aswell probably Jags too

These things are probably going to happen though, so we might as well try to lock up Marian Hossa

These things are probably going to happen though, so we might as well try to lock up Marian Hossa

I don't know..............Shanny and Straka are probably gone but if Lundqvist performs big in the playoff if we make it he's going to demand dollars although he loves playing in new york so perhaps he signs for less but I doubt we'll be able to keep Rozival for under 4 mil a year just my opinion

We will have the room to sign Marian, in the offseason. The only catch will be if he is still available.

If he is, if we don't jump on it, we are missing out.

im just going ot throw out some #'s

jagr-4.3 million on the cap
shanahan-5 million on the cap
straka- 4 million
mara-3 million
malik-3


now.....raises
lundqvist-another 2-2.5
girardi-1
tyutin-1-1.5
dawes-.5
rozsival(maybe)-3

just from first glance, i see that there is a little bit more cap room to be played with....10.8 million left

ok, now if marian could be say resigned for 6 million or 6.5, then jagr could resign for 3.5 plus some bonuses like shanny

therefore the lines would look like

jagr-gomez-avery
hossa(maybe a lot of other prospects)-drury-hossa
dawes-dubinsky-prucha
hollweg(maybe byers)-betts-orr

im not a cap person, but just looking at the #'s it is possible, bt very improbable because its obvious jagr wants to come back and straka has looked really good....but they will both need to take pay cuts to stay because they are good, but the team is going in a different direction
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question: Do we resign Jagr if Hossa signs with us or do we make room for a ready prospect?

question: Do we resign Jagr if Hossa signs with us or do we make room for a ready prospect?

Probably would need Jagr to be gone to have room for Hossa.

question: Do we resign Jagr if Hossa signs with us or do we make room for a ready prospect?

Assuming he doesn't reach his triggers and he's a UFA, no, let him walk unless he signs for super cheap and shows how much he really wants to stay here and win here.

I honestly believe Jagr would sign a cheap deal if he doesn't reach his triggers.

Probably would need Jagr to be gone to have room for Hossa.

Agreed. To me the debate this offseason is going to be Jagr vs. Hossa.

Jagr:

pros:
- cheaper
- gaurenteed to sign with the team
- in it to win

cons:
- not a long term solution
- Tends to play only when he wants to
- Has to have everything perfect around him
- Getting worse year by year

Hossa:

pros:
- long term solution
- healthier and more likely to be better than Jagr
- Not as needy

cons:
- expensive
- might only want his paycheck
- 1 in 30 chance of signing him

I don't know what I would do. It will be a tough offseason.

healthier and more likely to be better than Jagr

Wait, are you talking career wise? I HIGHLY doubt that.

Call me crazy but our very own Jagr is on pace to finish with more points this year than Marian Hossa. And Jagr is going to be 36.

healthier and more likely to be better than Jagr

Wait, are you talking career wise? I HIGHLY doubt that.

Uh clearly not. There aren't many players in NHL history better than Jagr in his prime. I'm saying that Jagr right now is not as likely to reach the 40 goal mark as Hossa.

I was thinking Marian for the future of the organization being that people will be going soon most likely (i.e. Shanny, Jagr, Straka). I also like Hossa because he is more of a scorer and can really move through the offensive zone. Also, as I mentioned earlier...maybe his brother would play better too.

As far as defense goes, Malik can go easily but I would like to keep mara and maybe rosi if he wouldn't want such a pay raise. I prefer Mara over rosi anyways.

We won't have any room for him unless Lundqvist signs for less money and Rozival is either gone or signs for less money, Mara will have to be gone, Shanny, Straka aswell probably Jags too

lol what are you talking about shannys making 5,300,000 and maliks making 2,500,000 thats more then enough right there all the players you names are worth like 26 million

Hossa wants to stay in Atlanta. He's said so. However, if things don't work out, he said he is "prepared to leave Atlanta".

This is a big decision, most may not think so now, because of the current season and still trying to make the playoffs. But this offseason, if Hossa is available, look for Glen to make a move, I bet.

On the question of whether Marcel would play better if Marian were here--the problem isn't that Marcel hasn't got the talent (and he is a pretty decent defensive player)--the problem is he doesn't have any killer instinct around the net and I don't think Marian being here will make a damn bit of difference on that. He has done nothing to prove he is a real top line player and he has had plenty of chances and there is a point in time where it is more prudent to rein in expectations and start looking in other directions. As for bringing Marian here--he is a legit first line player--but he is not a true difference maker--not in the way a Heatley, LeCavalier, Ovechkin or a Crosby is nor as a Jagr has been in the past. He is a player that may keep the team respectable but not necessarily one that you would build a championship around.

On the question of whether Marcel would play better if Marian were here--the problem isn't that Marcel hasn't got the talent (and he is a pretty decent defensive player)--the problem is he doesn't have any killer instinct around the net and I don't think Marian being here will make a damn bit of difference on that. He has done nothing to prove he is a real top line player and he has had plenty of chances and there is a point in time where it is more prudent to rein in expectations and start looking in other directions. As for bringing Marian here--he is a legit first line player--but he is not a true difference maker--not in the way a Heatley, LeCavalier, Ovechkin or a Crosby is nor as a Jagr has been in the past. He is a player that may keep the team respectable but not necessarily one that you would build a championship around.

Marian is just as much of a difference maker if not more than Heatley, Lecavalier. Ovechkin is a different story, there's nobody else on that team that could put up numbers he can and the same with Sidney. The Penguins don't play all too well without Crosby, and the same can generally be said about Ovechkin, Lecavalier, and Heatley, and Hossa. Hossa is the only one that has life outside of Kovalchuk on Atlanta. We would not build a championship around Hossa if he were here we would just try to get one, (obviously, isn't that the goal for every team?), the TEAM itself would be built around Gomez and Drury, we just need top six material to fill out after this year because half or more of our current top six will not be here.

Hossa's been a PPG+ player for the last 5 years..

hossa is a second line player on atlanta think before you speak

Marian is just as much of a difference maker if not more than Heatley, Lecavalier. Ovechkin is a different story, there's nobody else on that team that could put up numbers he can and the same with Sidney. The Penguins don't play all too well without Crosby, and the same can generally be said about Ovechkin, Lecavalier, and Heatley, and Hossa. Hossa is the only one that has life outside of Kovalchuk on Atlanta. We would not build a championship around Hossa if he were here we would just try to get one, (obviously, isn't that the goal for every team?), the TEAM itself would be built around Gomez and Drury, we just need top six material to fill out after this year because half or more of our current top six will not be here.

Hossa's been a PPG+ player for the last 5 years..

Not to my mind he's not. Heatley is a force in practically every game he plays. Hossa like Jagr sometimes takes games off. I think most people if given the choice between Hossa and Heatley would opt for Dany. They were traded for each other which was partially due to Atlanta wanting to get Heatley out of a bad situation after the automobile crash that took Dan Snyder's life. As for LeCavalier--he's leading the league in scoring--he's led his team to a cup. He's the real deal.

Not to get me wrong I would see Marian Hossa as a great pickup--but as a replacement for Jagr--he is not quite in the same class.

And on Gomez and Drury--I'm very happy with the Gomez signing. Drury has been a disappointment so far.

if atlanta cant win with kovalchuk and hossa what makes you think we will

hossa is a second line player on atlanta think before you speak

To spread out their offense because nobody else has an ounce of it. Think before you speak.

Not to my mind he's not. Heatley is a force in practically every game he plays. Hossa like Jagr sometimes takes games off. I think most people if given the choice between Hossa and Heatley would opt for Dany. They were traded for each other which was partially due to Atlanta wanting to get Heatley out of a bad situation after the automobile crash that took Dan Snyder's life. As for LeCavalier--he's leading the league in scoring--he's led his team to a cup. He's the real deal.

Not to get me wrong I would see Marian Hossa as a great pickup--but as a replacement for Jagr--he is not quite in the same class.

And on Gomez and Drury--I'm very happy with the Gomez signing. Drury has been a disappointment so far.

Hossa is available. Heatley is not. Jagr will be gone, as a replacement for Jagr's point totals? Now? Yes. He would put up better numbers, in Jagr's past? Hossa would never touch his numbers, however, if your looking to replace people in your top six to make for a better future, Hossa is the best look this off season. Who else do you want to replace Jagr/Straka/Shanahan with? Daymond Langkow? Psh. Nobody else is available that's in Hossa's league this off season as far as talented forwards go.

if atlanta cant win with kovalchuk and hossa what makes you think we will

Maybe because we have better players than Atlanta? A better coach? A better netminder? ... a better EVERYTHING?

Cherepanov--I'm not really sure what I'd do if Jagr isn't coming back. I'm a little bit leery of large and long term contracts in this salary cap world. Working in Hossa's favor is he's just turned 29 and should continue to be a factor for several more years. OTOH leaving a bit of cap space available is not always a bad thing--witness San Jose's pick up of Joe Thornton last year. All I'm saying is sometimes less might work out better and anyway not all of our past marquee pickups have worked out as well we had expected. Sather will do however what Sather does. I don't expect he's going to take any notice of my opinion. I'll have to live with whatever he decides.:)

To comment on filling out top 6 forwards--the way ahead for Dawes, Dubinsky and maybe one or two others might eventually mean there are holes for them on the top lines to prove themselves. We're kind of used to filling holes with established names but not every successful team out there does it that way.

Hossa was pretty good tonight.