The 360 Thread (08-09 game lineup) [Archive]

Klaus

01-06-2008, 10:49 AM

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Remember that games that say (Only on Xbox) mean that the game isn't on the PS3 or Wii. Credit goes to my friend at the neogaf forums.

Age of Conan - Hyborian Adventures (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Eidos Interactive | Developer: Funcom | Date: Quarter 3 |
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Alan Wake (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Microsoft | Developer: Remedy | Date: TBA |
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Alone in the dark 5 | Publisher: Atari | Developer: Eden Studios | Date: July |
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Army of two | Publisher: EA | Developer: EA Montreal | Date: March 4th |
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Banjo kazooie 3 (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Microsoft | Developer: Rare | Date: June (rumor) |
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Battlefield: Bad company | Publisher: EA | Developer: DICE | Date: March 24th |
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Brütal legend | Publisher: Vivendi Games | Developer: Double Fine | Date: TBA |
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Burnout paradise | Publisher: EA | Developer: Criterion games | Date: January 22nd |
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Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: EA | Developer: EA Los Angeles | Date: March 24th |
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Command and Conquer: Tiberium | Publisher: EA | Developer: EA Los Angeles | Date: Quarter 3 |
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Condemned 2: Bloodshot | Publisher: Sega | Developer: Monolith Productions | Date: February 26th |
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Klaus

01-06-2008, 10:50 AM

Crash time (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: RTL Entertainment | Developer: Synetic | Date TBA |
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Culdcept saga (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Namco Bandai | Developer: Omiya Soft | Date: February 5th |
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Dark Messiah of Might & Magic: Elements (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Ubisoft | Developer: Arkane Studios | Date: February 12th |
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Dark Sector | Publisher: D3 | Developer: Digital Extremes | Date: March 25th |
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Dead Island (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Unknown | Developer: Techland | Date TBA |
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Dead Space | Publisher: EA | Developer: EA Redwood Shores | Date: TBA |
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Destroy all humans 3 | Publisher: THQ | Developer: Sandblast | Date: TBA
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Devil may cry 4 | Publisher: Capcom | Developer: Capcom Production Studio 1 | Date: February 5th |
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Elveon (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: 10TACLE Studios | Developer: 10TACLE Studios | Date: TBA |
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Enemy Territory: Quake Wars | Publisher: Activision | Developer: Nerve Software/Splash Damage | Date: TBA |
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Fable 2 (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Microsoft | Developer: Lionhead Studios | Date: Quarter 3 |
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Farcry 2 (pc screen) | Publisher: Ubisoft | Developer: Ubisoft Montreal | Date: TBA |
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Klaus

01-06-2008, 10:51 AM

Klaus

01-06-2008, 10:52 AM

Left 4 Dead (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Unknown | Developer: Turtle Rock Studios | Date: June |
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Lost odyssey (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Microsoft | Developer: Mistwalker/Feel Plus | Date: February 12th |
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Mafia 2 | Publisher: Take Two | Developer: Illusion Softworks | Date: TBA |
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Mercenaries 2 | Publisher: EA | Developer: Pandemic Studios | Date: April |
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Midnight club: Los Angeles | Publisher: Rockstar | Developer: Rockstar San Diego | Date: April |
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Ninja gaiden 2 (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Microsoft/Tecmo | Developer: Team Ninja | Date: TBA |
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Operation Flashpoint 2 | Publisher: Codemasters | Developer: Codemasters | Date: TBA |
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Project Offset (Only On Xbox) | Publisher: Unknown | Developer: Offset | Date: TBA |
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Rainbow Six Vegas 2
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Resident evil 5 (unconfirmed for 2008)
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Sabotage (Only On Xbox)
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Saints row 2
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Klaus

01-06-2008, 10:53 AM

Silent hill 5
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Soul calibur 4
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Splinter cell: Conviction (Only On Xbox)
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Starwars: Force unleashed
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Street fighter 4 (unconfirmed for 2008)
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The Last Remnant
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Too human (Only On Xbox)
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Turok 5
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Unreal tournament 3
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Warhound (Only On Xbox)
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World in conflict (Only On Xbox)
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Ten

01-06-2008, 11:16 AM

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Rainbow Six Vegas 2
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Alright, you've got me sold.

:yo:

Klaus

01-06-2008, 11:42 AM

Yeah, Rainbow Six Vegas should be awesome.

So many games to look forward to though. :scared:

Evil Ted

01-06-2008, 11:43 AM

It will be interesting to see how many of those are going to be hits, or flops, remember every year alot of games are relased but only a handful are the best.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 12:25 PM

It will be interesting to see how many of those are going to be hits, or flops, remember every year alot of games are relased but only a handful are the best.

True.

Games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Fable 2 are going to be excellent though unless something unforeseen happens. Banjo Threeie by Rare should be excellent too.

Chimaera

01-06-2008, 12:26 PM

It will be interesting to see how many of those are going to be hits, or flops, remember every year alot of games are relased but only a handful are the best.

Actually, Last year is one of the best in like 5-6 years as far as games go.

In most years, a lot of the very good games would've been flat out game of the year winners.

Not just for the 360, but when you can name off games like Bio-Shock, Mario Galaxy, COD4, Assasin's Creed, Halo 3, and probably keep going for another 4-5 (Crysis, Mass Effect, etc) all being good to generational level games.

znk

01-06-2008, 12:44 PM

Wow...I had no idea there was a Star Wars game comming out.

Just checked this video http://www.gamespot.com/video/933155/6174553/star-wars-the-force-unleashed-official-trailer-1
As a fan of KOTOR and the starwars universe...this looks like it's going to be pretty damn fun to play.

firewagonHOCKEY

01-06-2008, 01:03 PM

Looking forward to "too human", Fable 2 and Mercenaries 2. Man to have enough time and money...

Shane

01-06-2008, 01:30 PM

Haze isn't coming out for the 360. It's PS3 exclusive.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 02:18 PM

Haze isn't coming out for the 360. It's PS3 exclusive.

Actually Ubisoft has said a 360 and PC version are coming.

clefty

01-06-2008, 02:30 PM

So how long have you worked for Microsoft?

Morozov

01-06-2008, 02:37 PM

Need Soul Calibur 4

Klaus

01-06-2008, 02:51 PM

So how long have you worked for Microsoft?

Why? Just because I posted a thread about 360 games coming out in 08?

Give me a break.

clefty

01-06-2008, 02:59 PM

Relax, I was being a wise ass.

coyoteshockeyfan

01-06-2008, 03:01 PM

Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway isn't on the list, but could be one of the top games of the year.

Sting

01-06-2008, 03:20 PM

Yeah as mentioned earlier it seems hard to pick out which ones are going to flop. The biggest one to me I think will be Haze though...it seems like a Halo rip-off to me.

Huxley is something I remember hearing about...an MMOFPS I believe. I think it could be a 'sleeper' hit.

Beyond GTA, I'm looking forward to seeing how Lost Odyssey will pan out.

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 03:33 PM

Thief, this is from Neogaf ;)

Evil Ted

01-06-2008, 03:39 PM

Actually, Last year is one of the best in like 5-6 years as far as games go.

In most years, a lot of the very good games would've been flat out game of the year winners.

Not just for the 360, but when you can name off games like Bio-Shock, Mario Galaxy, COD4, Assasin's Creed, Halo 3, and probably keep going for another 4-5 (Crysis, Mass Effect, etc) all being good to generational level games.

You look at what came out before this xmas season for 360 and it was slim pickings Last xmas was a utter disapointment, GOW will go down in my opinion as one of the most overrated games on the 360, it benifited because there was not much else, PS3 and Wii were still just getting there feet wet, hardly established competition for microsoft to feel motivated to bring out a good lineup either.

This years lineup was to be expected, the next gen systems have had lots of time to establish themselfs they should be releasing good games by now.

I however am not going to buy into the hype yet, I want to see results, the gaming buiness makes a crazy amount of money off of the consumer. The issues with the 360s hardware failures and recent xbox live muffup has left a sour taste in my mouth.

This years 360s xmas games were the best yet for sure, Orange box, COD4, Bioshock, H3 GH3 good games. AC in my opinion wins the "GOW" award for most over hyped game as far as I am concerned.

Having talked all that trash I am excited in a sense, looking at all those games there will be some gems in there, working and other responsibilities limit my gaming time anymore so when I do have time I probably wont have a hard time finding something quality to play.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 04:08 PM

Relax, I was being a wise ass.

Damn you for not using the smiley. :sarcasm:

You're fired!

Klaus

01-06-2008, 04:09 PM

Thief, this is from Neogaf ;)

In soviet russia disclaimer reads you! :sarcasm:;)

Timmer44

01-06-2008, 04:19 PM

Alright, you've got me sold.

:yo:

Yeah, me too. The first one was one of my favorite of all time.

WeedMan

01-06-2008, 05:58 PM

360 owns my soul? ya right.

between my pc and ps3 i have all of those games covered except for maybe 2 or 3.

01-06-2008, 06:02 PM

360 owns my soul? ya right.

between my pc and ps3 i have all of those games covered except for maybe 2 or 3.

:awaiting Klaus 360 rant in 3...2...1...:

Shane

01-06-2008, 06:10 PM

Actually Ubisoft has said a 360 and PC version are coming.

When did they say that?

At Sony's E3 2007 press conference they said Haze was PS3 exclusive. And at the Leipzig Games Convention in 2007, Free Radical said they had no plans to develop Haze for any other platform other than the PS3.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 06:21 PM

:awaiting Klaus 360 rant in 3...2...1...:

Nah... I ignored the loser.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 06:21 PM

When did they say that?

At Sony's E3 2007 press conference they said Haze was PS3 exclusive. And at the Leipzig Games Convention in 2007, Free Radical said they had no plans to develop Haze for any other platform other than the PS3.

Go through gamespots news archives from the past two or three weeks. I'm really too lazy to look.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 06:22 PM

Go through gamespots news archives from the past two or three weeks. I'm really too lazy to look.

Actually, here is the game page.

http://www.gamespot.com/search.html?type=11&stype=all&tag=search%3Bbutton&om_act=convert&om_clk=search&qs=Haze&x=0&y=0

WeedMan

01-06-2008, 06:23 PM

Nah... I ignored the loser.

as they say ...the truth hurts.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 06:25 PM

****, I really wish I could edit my post.

Gamespot hasn't updated their game page yet. http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_thread_posts.php?thread_id=99651

If you go to Ubisofts site I'm guessing that you'll find news there too.

Chimaera

01-06-2008, 06:29 PM

Not sure how you can say Gears of War is overrated.

It's a pretty amazing game still.

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 06:31 PM

UBIsofts page shows ps3 only, the game probably won't be that good anyway. The last thing we all need is another fps.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 06:33 PM

UBIsofts page shows ps3 only, the game probably won't be that good anyway. The last thing we all need is another fps.

Interesting.

Timed exclusive then maybe? I agree that it probably won't be very good but you never know.

Insta

01-06-2008, 06:38 PM

WeedMan

01-06-2008, 06:43 PM

Ya, if you have a decent PC, the 360 is a waste of money since almost all the games are out for both 360 and PC. I have a good PC for the 360 games and a PS3 for my HD console gaming and bluray. The 360 most certainly doesn't "own my soul", it would make more sense for me to get a Wii.

yeah, for sure. i think i might get one of those after all. mario galaxy was awesome.

nintendo always had good games anyway, it's just that since the n64 the 3rd party support lacked hard.

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 06:45 PM

Ya, if you have a decent PC, the 360 is a waste of money since almost all the games are out for both 360 and PC. I have a good PC for the 360 games and a PS3 for my HD console gaming and bluray. The 360 most certainly doesn't "own my soul", it would make more sense for me to get a Wii.

I have to respectively disagree. DX10 and Vista might be a roadbump for PC gaming for a couple years. It is difficult to justify moving to Vista and that is where you can only get DX10. Microsoft better back down and allow DX10 in XP or there will be a massive problem. Crysis was a massive flop for such a fantastic game because of this and torrents.

Insta

01-06-2008, 06:50 PM

I have to respectively disagree. DX10 and Vista might be a roadbump for PC gaming for a couple years. It is difficult to justify moving to Vista and that is where you can only get DX10. Microsoft better back down and allow DX10 in XP or there will be a massive problem. Crysis was a massive flop for such a fantastic game because of this and torrents.

Nothing but assumptions. Lots of games sell well on PC, especially if they come out on steam or have good multiplayer. There are a lot of good games coming out for PC in the next 2 years that aren't going on console. This is besides the point though, because my point was that almost all xbox360 games also come out on PC, Crysis was a PC only game so it has nothing to do with anything. Why would you get a 360 if you could get every game on the PC you already have?

WeedMan

01-06-2008, 06:51 PM

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 06:55 PM

i think crysis was more of a flop because of the extremely high system requirements ...you didn't need dx10 to run it, it just ran worse if you did.

Ya I guess so that contributed. But I also read developers checked and 5000(no lie) versions of the torrent were being downloaded daily. Only 80k copies were sold the first month.

WeedMan

01-06-2008, 07:02 PM

Ya I guess so that contributed. But I also read developers checked and 5000(no lie) versions of the torrent were being downloaded daily. Only 80k copies were sold the first month.

ohya ...but that happens with every game. it's been going on since the pc came into exsistence.

pc games have long legs, though. they aren't like console games were if they don't sell well in the first couple months they're pretty much doomed. pc games can still sell well years into their exsistence.

look at stuff like diablo, starcraft, half life, quake, doom, world of warcraft, and the sims. people still play these games, and people are still buying them years after their release.

crysis will probably do alright once people upgrade to better pcs.

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 07:04 PM

pc games have long legs, though. they aren't like console games were if they don't sell well in the first couple months they're pretty much doomed. pc games can still sell well years into their exsistence.

And they drop in price fast.

The Pwnerer

01-06-2008, 07:13 PM

360 >>>> Ps3 nuff said!

kurt

01-06-2008, 07:38 PM

360 >>>> Ps3 nuff said!

:biglaugh:

Klaus

01-06-2008, 08:06 PM

:biglaugh:

What's so funny about that.

Better games, better online, more diverse library... all on the 360.

The Wii is better than both in terms of overall bang for your buck except in the online area really.

Ten

01-06-2008, 08:13 PM

What's so funny about that.

Better games, better online, more diverse library... all on the 360.

The Wii is better than both in terms of overall bang for your buck except in the online area really.

To be honest I find the Wii to be nothing more than a goofy party novelty.

I've owned one, played it for about 2 weeks and sold it to buy more xbox games. Just was not entertaining IMO.

Ten

01-06-2008, 08:21 PM

Yeah, me too. The first one was one of my favorite of all time.

The first one IS my favourite game of all-time.

Probably because I am unbelievably awesome at it online (7.5+ KDR), but that game IS what a first person shooter should be. Graphics aren't the greatest, but the gameplay more than makes up for it. I hate run-and-gun shooters, this one required thought for every move.

The next one can only be better. Finishing the Vegas chapter (to be honest if it was online-only I wouldn't care), new maps, new weapons, same gameplay (including the best cover system availiable).

The only things I'd like to maybe improve on are inclusion of a prone position. I know Counter-Terrorist units shouldn't have to be lying face down, but it's pretty basic to do and somewhat standard.

If they can put Calypso on the next one, but with another exit out of the Keno, that'd be great.

syz

01-06-2008, 08:27 PM

Look at all those shooters that'll go to waste with a console controller.

CioCio

01-06-2008, 08:32 PM

Look at all those shooters that'll go to waste with a console controller.

Gamepad implementation in shooters has vastly improved, and it's been that way for several years now. That's such an outdated argument. With Windows Live or whatever and games that both PC gamers and X360 gamers can play against one another, such as Shadowrun and Halo 2, it's been noted and stressed that there is virtually no difference between performance and skill whether one's using a mouse and keyboard or a gamepad.

I used to be strictly a PC gamer but that industry is so completely alienating that it's impractical to keep up with it. I just recently ended my PC Gamer subscription and instead set one up with OXM :D

Klaus

01-06-2008, 08:35 PM

To be honest I find the Wii to be nothing more than a goofy party novelty.

I've owned one, played it for about 2 weeks and sold it to buy more xbox games. Just was not entertaining IMO.

True enough, it's lacking in terms of 3rd party support but generally it more than makes up for it with the 1st party exclusives.

I'm not the biggest fan of the controller, but millions are being snatched up like no tomorrow so it has to be somewhat decent.

I'd still take the 360 over it because it caters to the games I like most.

jaems

01-06-2008, 08:36 PM

Yeah, who would've thought the XBOX 360 would have better games and more diverse library out. It's not as if it's been out longer than either the Wii or PS3.

jaems

01-06-2008, 08:39 PM

Gamepad implementation in shooters has vastly improved, and it's been that way for several years now. That's such an outdated argument. With Windows Live or whatever and games that both PC gamers and X360 gamers can play against one another, such as Shadowrun and Halo 2, it's been noted and stressed that there is virtually no difference between performance and skill whether one's using a mouse and keyboard or a gamepad.

I used to be strictly a PC gamer but that industry is so completely alienating that it's impractical to keep up with it. I just recently ended my PC Gamer subscription and instead set one up with OXM :D

Personally, I don't think that's not a fair comparison. Halo 2 was developed for console gamers and secondary for PC gamers. The physics suit that environment. I'm a PC gamer, but I was able to migrate to Ghost Recon 2 on PS3 very easily, because the game suited the console. But if I were to say, try playing Quake 4 on a console versus a PC gamer, I'd get smoked because the responsiveness of the keyboard and mouse combo is superior and far more accurate. Seriously, check out demos on Youtube of Quake 4 tourny's. There's no way a console gamer could compete in that.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 08:43 PM

I am also better with keyboard and mouse, but some FPS's tend to play better with dual analog. All depends I guess.

One consistent I've always had though is my accuracy being much better with kb/m on games like battlefield, ect. than any game I've played on consoles.

CioCio

01-06-2008, 09:00 PM

Personally, I don't think that's not a fair comparison. Halo 2 was developed for console gamers and secondary for PC gamers. The physics suit that environment. I'm a PC gamer, but I was able to migrate to Ghost Recon 2 on PS3 very easily, because the game suited the console. But if I were to say, try playing Quake 4 on a console versus a PC gamer, I'd get smoked because the responsiveness of the keyboard and mouse combo is superior and far more accurate. Seriously, check out demos on Youtube of Quake 4 tourny's. There's no way a console gamer could compete in that.

Good point, and yes, a mouse and keyboard set-up is definitely preferable for an FPS specialist (I wouldn't dare to even join a Counter-Strike server using a gamepad,) but like you said with Quake 4, these games are tailored to certain systems, and then they subsequently develop their own communities along their own paths through multiplayer. Perhaps if 360 and PC users could've played Quake 4 together since its release, their skill level would at least be comparable. All a console gamer would have to do is turn up the joystick sensitivity and practice with that. I would bet a PC gamer starting up Gears of War would get their ass handed to them by X360 users, and I'd put money on it being that way for a while. That's why I don't think it's appropriate for that user to say a shooter would be wasted on a console since it was developed for the system in the first place. Console shooters have come a long way since the days of auto-aim and other awkward set-ups, like the original Turok. I'd say console networks like Xbox Live and PSN with their multiplay have aided greatly in narrowing the skill gap between PC and console gamers.

syz

01-06-2008, 09:28 PM

Good point, and yes, a mouse and keyboard set-up is definitely preferable for an FPS specialist (I wouldn't dare to even join a Counter-Strike server using a gamepad,) but like you said with Quake 4, these games are tailored to certain systems, and then they subsequently develop their own communities along their own paths through multiplayer. Perhaps if 360 and PC users could've played Quake 4 together since its release, their skill level would at least be comparable. All a console gamer would have to do is turn up the joystick sensitivity and practice with that. I would bet a PC gamer starting up Gears of War would get their asshanded to them by X360 users, and I'd put money on it being that way for a while. That's why I don't think it's appropriate for that user to say a shooter would be wasted on a console since it was developed for the system in the first place. Console shooters have come a long way since the days of auto-aim and other awkward set-ups, like the original Turok. I'd say console networks like Xbox Live and PSN with their multiplay have aided greatly in narrowing the skill gap between PC and console gamers.

Nope.

Quake is a bad example though, since you generally cannot be great at it without twitch reflexes, which won't happen with a controller. I played Quake competitively from Q1 to Q3. I don't care how long you practice with a controller, you're not coming close to that level of accuracy. Even if you did, could you even strafe jump with a dual analog? The games are so movement based that anyone with a controller would have laps ran around him, especially in QW or CPMA.

XBL and PSN are console equivalents of Heat.net and Mplayer from ten years ago, whether or not they graduate out of that level won't be known for a while. Good ways to play casually with your friends, but the competition will never be as high.

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 09:30 PM

CioCio

01-06-2008, 09:41 PM

Nope.

Quake is a bad example though, since you generally cannot be great at it without twitch reflexes, which won't happen with a controller. I played Quake competitively from Q1 to Q3. I don't care how long you practice with a controller, you're not coming close to that level of accuracy. Even if you did, could you even strafe jump with a dual analog? The games are so movement based that anyone with a controller would have laps ran around him, especially in QW or CPMA.

XBL and PSN are console equivalents of Heat.net and Mplayer from ten years ago, whether or not they graduate out of that level won't be known for a while. Good ways to play casually with your friends, but the competition will never be as high.

Well, you're ignoring the rest of my post and hitting on the one sentence that I included uncertainty in, but whatever. You take that one sentence out and I still think I made a valid point or two, at least about the specific communities around games taking each game to such a level that arguments about what system a game is best-suited for are made irrelevant. Especially now that console multiplay has been internationalized and what not. I also wouldn't dare compare XBL/PSN to Mplayer. I never used Heat.net so I can't talk about that. Those old services were working with 28.8k and 56k connections while nowadays consoles have high speed cable connections and what not. It was a coin toss whether the server you'd click on would actually let you join up. The differences in accessibility and fluidity of the services are like night and day. If you can't at least acknowledge progression in the console gaming world, then I don't know what to say.

CioCio

01-06-2008, 09:41 PM

No FPS plays better with a controller. Put the Kool-aid down.

Explain to me Shadowrun then. In which it's been observed that whether one is using a mouse or a gamepad is virtually indistinguishable. Both were developed concurrently for each system. It's probable that we'll see more of this in the future like it or not, and the differences will begin to fall away. Sure, PCs and consoles will have their niche games, but I just think the "mouse and keyboard blow gamepads away!" mentality is irrelevant nowadays.

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 09:55 PM

Explain to me Shadowrun then. In which it's been observed that whether one is using a mouse or a gamepad is virtually indistinguishable. Both were developed concurrently for each system. It's probable that we'll see more of this in the future like it or not, and the differences will begin to fall away. Sure, PCs and consoles will have their niche games, but I just think the "mouse and keyboard blow gamepads away!" mentality is irrelevant nowadays.

You can't target better with a controller than a mouse EVER.

CioCio

01-06-2008, 10:05 PM

You can't target better with a controller than a mouse EVER.

I know we're only talking about videogames, but seriously, thinking so obstinately in black-and-whites is so shallow

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 10:13 PM

I know we're only talking about videogames, but seriously, thinking so obstinately in black-and-whites is so shallow

It's called reality. If you don't get it now you won't ever get it.

CioCio

01-06-2008, 10:15 PM

It's called reality. If you don't get it now you won't ever get it.

So now you're calling your opinion fact? Working in absolutes and now this - apparently critical thinking isn't one of your strong suits, and thanks for adding so much to the topic!

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 10:22 PM

So now you're calling your opinion fact? Working in absolutes and now this - apparently critical thinking isn't one of your strong suits, and thanks for adding so much to the topic!

No I'm calling out that using a keyboard/mouse is better than using any controller, better, more precise, and overall a better experience. I have a PS3 and a 360 too.

And I play COD4 religiously.

CioCio

01-06-2008, 10:26 PM

No I'm calling out that using a keyboard/mouse is better than using any controller, better, more precise, and overall a better experience. I have a PS3 and a 360 too.

It's your experience, though, and you called it reality. That's what I was taking issue with. But I'm gonna stop with the bickering, so whatever

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 10:28 PM

It's your experience, though, and you called it reality. That's what I was taking issue with. But I'm gonna stop with the bickering, so whatever

It is reality. You Just missed it.

CioCio

01-06-2008, 10:30 PM

It is reality. You Just missed it.

http://www.farfromneutral.com/exodus/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/o_rly.jpg

The Fuhr

01-06-2008, 10:43 PM

360 >>>> Ps3 nuff said!

The PS2 game selection was much better then the Xbox and the same will happen with th PS3 up against the Xbox 360.

Why? Lets take a look at Japan game sales shall we.

http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=8272&page=32

Units sold per week
November 5 - 11, 2007
PS3 - 55,924
X360 - 5,817

November 12 - 18, 2007
PS3 - 39,178
X360 - 6,525

November 19 - 25, 2007
PS3 - 50,564
X360 - 7,117

November 26 - December 2, 2007
PS3 - 37,092
X360 - 6,632

December 3 - 9, 2007
PS3 - 38,123
X360 - 8,876

December 10 - 16, 2007
PS3 - 63,720
X360 - 8,561

December 17 - 23, 2007
PS3 - 58,163
X360 - 7,908

So all those numbers why is this important. Well if you know games, then you know most major game developers are located in Japan and are fixated on that market.

With such domination of PS3 sales over the X360, the game development will be focused on the PS3.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 11:21 PM

No FPS plays better with a controller. Put the Kool-aid down.

Halo.. sorry, Halo PC sucks compared to Halo on the Xbox.

I also think Call of Duty 4 plays better on the 360.

Sorry... personal preference buddy.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 11:24 PM

The PS2 game selection was much better then the Xbox and the same will happen with th PS3 up against the Xbox 360.

Why? Lets take a look at Japan game sales shall we.

http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=8272&page=32

Units sold per week
November 5 - 11, 2007
PS3 - 55,924
X360 - 5,817

November 12 - 18, 2007
PS3 - 39,178
X360 - 6,525

November 19 - 25, 2007
PS3 - 50,564
X360 - 7,117

November 26 - December 2, 2007
PS3 - 37,092
X360 - 6,632

December 3 - 9, 2007
PS3 - 38,123
X360 - 8,876

December 10 - 16, 2007
PS3 - 63,720
X360 - 8,561

December 17 - 23, 2007
PS3 - 58,163
X360 - 7,908

So all those numbers why is this important. Well if you know games, then you know most major game developers are located in Japan and are fixated on that market.

With such domination of PS3 sales over the X360, the game development will be focused on the PS3.

Honestly, I could care less about Japan

STOP turning this thread into a ****ing pissing match. I could care less about the PS3.. go start another thread about it if you want to talk about it.

The Fuhr

01-06-2008, 11:32 PM

Honestly, I could care less about Japan

Well you should because that is where most game developers are based and they develop games that fit the Japanese market which are then brought over here.

STOP turning this thread into a ****ing pissing match. I could care less about the PS3.. go start another thread about it if you want to talk about it.

the thread title The official 360 owns your soul

and apparently it does not.

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 11:35 PM

Halo.. sorry, Halo PC sucks compared to Halo on the Xbox.

I also think Call of Duty 4 plays better on the 360.

Sorry... personal preference buddy.

Halo sucks period, outdated and horrible AI. That alien thing can't even get around a box as you play. Why do I have to backtrack in Halo 3 to get him with me. And I have no clue why he is following me.

Call of duty 4 plays the same on both consoles.

COD4 is my game of the year

Klaus

01-06-2008, 11:50 PM

Halo sucks period, outdated and horrible AI. That alien thing can't even get around a box as you play. Why do I have to backtrack in Halo 3 to get him with me. And I have no clue why he is following me.

Call of duty 4 plays the same on both consoles.

COD4 is my game of the year

Wow.... you kidding me?

Halo 3 is generally accepted as having some of the best AI out there. You're out to lunch on this one bud. WAY OUT TO LUNCH.

Read any review out there... none complain about enemy AI. Then again you probably think Killzone and Resistance were the best games ever with amazing AI.

Halo series is one of the best series out there.. and I'd rather play it over most of the crap on PC.

Klaus

01-06-2008, 11:50 PM

Well you should because that is where most game developers are based and they develop games that fit the Japanese market which are then brought over here.

the thread title The official 360 owns your soul

and apparently it does not.

And yet the 360 has tons of Japanese developers on board.

Capcom is showing major love.

The Fuhr

01-06-2008, 11:56 PM

And yet the 360 has tons of Japanese developers on board.

Capcom is showing major love.

The PS3 has just destroyed the X360 in sales.

Now Capcom sees that and says we could create games for a console that has 25% of the market or we could create games for a system that has 60% of the market.

Who do you think they will end up choosing. The game selection will end up going the same as last time PS2 >> xBox. Same will happen here.

CMacdonald

01-06-2008, 11:57 PM

Wow.... you kidding me?

Halo 3 is generally accepted as having some of the best AI out there. You're out to lunch on this one bud. WAY OUT TO LUNCH.

Read any review out there... none complain about enemy AI. Then again you probably think Killzone and Resistance were the best games ever with amazing AI.

Halo series is one of the best series out there.. and I'd rather play it over most of the crap on PC.

No you are way out to lunch. Halo 3 is like the worst AI in history. And I don't think Killzone is the best game ever because it hasn't been released yet. Resistance was fabulous AI and a game you should play. To this day it really comes out as a pearl in an oyster.

meehan

01-06-2008, 11:58 PM

Well you should because that is where most game developers are based and they develop games that fit the Japanese market which are then brought over here.

Really?! Man I guess I better uninstall Call of Duty 4, Crysis, UT3 all my other great FPS, as the Japanese say I shouldn't be into intense firefights. I guess I should get into the latest squaresoft game, with all their sissy main characters and pretty colored character models. And while I am at it I might as well bring a knife to my balls as I won't be needing those anymore....

I like alot of the stuff that comes from Japan, but this idea that we absolutely need them is outdated. Much of the best rated and best selling games this generation were developed by non Japan based developers, and that trend will continue.

the thread title The official 360 owns your soul

and apparently it does not.

Whether you like Xbox or not is your perogative. However, if you are an unbiased gamer, you can see that the 360 potentially has much to offer in 2008.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:00 AM

And yet the 360 has tons of Japanese developers on board.

Capcom is showing major love.

*** is wrong with you, don't you dare ever spew that much crap in one post.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:01 AM

The PS3 has just destroyed the X360 in sales.

Now Capcom sees that and says we could create games for a console that has 25% of the market or we could create games for a system that has 60% of the market.

Who do you think they will end up choosing. The game selection will end up going the same as last time PS2 >> xBox. Same will happen here.

I could care less about sales in Japan.

The 360 is murdering the PS3 in America and Capcom and Konami want to expand their American market as does Square Enix which is also supporting the 360.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:02 AM

No you are way out to lunch. Halo 3 is like the worst AI in history. And I don't think Killzone is the best game ever because it hasn't been released yet. Resistance was fabulous AI and a game you should play. To this day it really comes out as a pearl in an oyster.

Your credibility just went out the window with me... sorry, I will not debate this anymore with such a delusional person.

Killzone has been released and Resistance was crap ABSOLUTE crap.. I barely got through that pile of ****.

You're delusional.

meehan

01-07-2008, 12:03 AM

No you are way out to lunch. Halo 3 is like the worst AI in history. And I don't think Killzone is the best game ever because it hasn't been released yet. Resistance was fabulous AI and a game you should play. To this day it really comes out as a pearl in an oyster.

Of course you knew that the original Killzone was supposed to be a killer app on ps2 that was supposed to get people to give up on halo. Well, in case your selective memory has blocked out the events from the killzone release, it was a failure, and got no one to stop playing halo.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:03 AM

*** is wrong with you, don't you dare ever spew that much crap in one post.

I didn't see Dead Rising on the PS3.... Oh... wait.

Devil May Cry 4... so long exclusivity.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:05 AM

Of course you knew that the original Killzone was supposed to be a killer app on ps2 that was supposed to get people to give up on halo. Well, in case your selective memory has blocked out the events from the killzone release, it was a failure, and got no one to stop playing halo.

Exactly.

Halo 3 with 8.2 million copies sold in just over a month and a half too... :scared:

meehan

01-07-2008, 12:06 AM

I could care less about sales in Japan.

The 360 is murdering the PS3 in America and Capcom and Konami want to expand their American market as does Square Enix which is also supporting the 360.

As they should, considering the American market buys the most video games.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:07 AM

Of course you knew that the original Killzone was supposed to be a killer app on ps2 that was supposed to get people to give up on halo. Well, in case your selective memory has blocked out the events from the killzone release, it was a failure, and got no one to stop playing halo.

Oh Jesus, why would we be talking about Killzone 1.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:08 AM

Your credibility just went out the window with me... sorry, I will not debate this anymore with such a delusional person.

Killzone has been released and Resistance was crap ABSOLUTE crap.. I barely got through that pile of ****.

You're delusional.

Killzone has not been released!

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:10 AM

Exactly.

Halo 3 with 8.2 million copies sold in just over a month and a half too... :scared:

And I bought one, But it hit EB games resale, $44 well sent.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:11 AM

Killzone has not been released!

KILLZONE HAS BEEN RELEASED!

Get with the times Sony fanboy!

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:12 AM

And I bought one, But it hit EB games resale, $44 well sent.

It's too bad you missed out on such a great game.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:13 AM

Did Ace Combat come out for the PS3? Or is 360 Exclusive too?

meehan

01-07-2008, 12:14 AM

Oh Jesus, why would we be talking about Killzone 1.

Why? Perhaps because we were talking about weak AI in shooters. Killzone 1 is a great example. :)

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:15 AM

KILLZONE HAS BEEN RELEASED!

Get with the times Sony fanboy!

You are the one saying Killzone 1 == Killzone 2

blacklabel

01-07-2008, 12:16 AM

KILLZONE HAS BEEN RELEASED!

Get with the times Sony fanboy!

HE'S TALKING ABOUT KILLZONE 2 WHICH HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED YET. HOW IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:17 AM

You are the one saying Killzone 1 == Killzone 2

This is fun ;)

Killzone is a hulking pile of ****, and I have no doubt killzone 2 will be the same.

Want to talk bad AI? Talk about a game that will never touch Halo. Killzone 2 has already been ripped for its poor looking AI by IGN.

I have never heard anyone rip on Halo for bad AI and you're clearly in the minority.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:17 AM

Did Ace Combat come out for the PS3? Or is 360 Exclusive too?

Nope, and I played the demo, no money from me.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:17 AM

HE'S TALKING ABOUT KILLZONE 2 WHICH HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED YET. HOW IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

Say Killzone 2 then... not Killzone.

I know what he's talking about.. I'm being a smartass.

The Fuhr

01-07-2008, 12:17 AM

KILLZONE HAS BEEN RELEASED!

Get with the times Sony fanboy!

Not for the PS3, release date April
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/748/748475.html

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:18 AM

Nope, and I played the demo, no money from me.

Funny, got pretty damn good reviews.

The mighty cell probably couldn't handle the textures though, maybe that's why it was a 360 exclusive coming from a Japanese developer.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:19 AM

Not for the PS3, release date April
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/748/748475.html

You mean Killzone 2 right? :sarcasm:

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:20 AM

Lets talk about halo 2, it seems we can go back generations if we want. What do we think about that game.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:22 AM

Lets talk about halo 2, it seems we can go back generations if we want. What do we think about that game.

Halo: CE > Halo 3 >>> Halo 2

I didn't enjoy Halo 2 anywhere close to Halo: CE or Halo 3.

Halo: CE was a great game and it was the best Halo by far. Best shooter ever for a console in my opinion edging out Perfect Dark.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:22 AM

Make no mistake though... Halo 2 was still miles ahead of Killzone.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:23 AM

Make no mistake though... Halo 2 was still miles ahead of Killzone.

Very true.

But was halo 2 ahead of mario for AI

meehan

01-07-2008, 12:25 AM

Lets talk about halo 2, it seems we can go back generations if we want. What do we think about that game.

94% rating on gamerankings, over 8 million in sales, and even now has had almost 60,000 games played on live over the last 24 hours. I don't know, but I think it was a success. :)

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:25 AM

Very true.

But was halo 2 ahead of mario for AI

Super Mario World? :help:

Too many Marios out there.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:28 AM

94% rating on gamerankings, over 8 million in sales, and even now has had almost 60,000 games played on live over the last 24 hours. I don't know, but I think it was a success. :)

And yet with all that it won't make game of the year with any publication. They have a conscience too.

They got paid off, and no they have to do the right thing. If Halo 3 doesn't make game of the year it is justified.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:33 AM

And yet with all that it won't make game of the year with any publication. They have a conscience too.

They got paid off, and no they have to do the right thing. If Halo 3 doesn't make game of the year it is justified.

Are you kidding me?

It was a strong game year anyway... Halo 3 didn't win game of the year for 07 on many game sites because it was competing with Galaxy, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Crysis ect.

Wait... where are all the PS3 games?

meehan

01-07-2008, 12:36 AM

And yet with all that it won't make game of the year with any publication. They have a conscience too.

They got paid off, and no they have to do the right thing. If Halo 3 doesn't make game of the year it is justified.

HAHAHA. Yeah MS has to pay off websites to get good reviews. I mean the 8 million halo 3 sold isn't enough, they also have to win cred with mags. Really, the game could get 1s all across the board, it would still sell millions. The fact that it got 9s from basically everyone is testament to the fact that its a good game, its as simple as that. As far as game of the year, many media outlets have it in the nominations. To not win game of the year means very little, considering all the gems that got released this year.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:36 AM

Are you kidding me?

It was a strong game year anyway... Halo 3 didn't win game of the year for 07 on many game sites because it was competing with Galaxy, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Crysis ect.

Wait... where are all the PS3 games?

But it had the highest rating? Why shouldn't the highest rated game make game of the year?

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:37 AM

HAHAHA. Yeah MS has to pay off websites to get good reviews. I mean the 8 million halo 3 sold isn't enough, they also have to win cred with mags. Really, the game could get 1s all across the board, it would still sell millions. The fact that it got 9s from basically everyone is testament to the fact that its a good game, its as simple as that. As far as game of the year, many media outlets have it in the nominations. To not win game of the year means very little, considering all the gems that got released this year.

You are full of ****, and I put you on ignore, Don't reply anymore. Klaus I like because he lives in his parents basement and is fun to deal with.

Go away

meehan

01-07-2008, 12:39 AM

But it had the highest rating? Why shouldn't the highest rated game make game of the year?

Who said its the highest rated? Orangebox, Bioshock, COD4 all have higher ratings on gamerankings as well as non xbox games like mario galaxy. Really, is coming in behind all those games such a bad thing?

meehan

01-07-2008, 12:40 AM

You are full of ****, and I put you on ignore, Don't reply anymore. Klaus I like because he lives in his parents basement and is fun to deal with.

Go away

Oh man.....I I I just can't.....stop the t-t-tears from....coming down.....

The Fuhr

01-07-2008, 12:42 AM

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:44 AM

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:44 AM

You are full of ****, and I put you on ignore, Don't reply anymore. Klaus I like because he lives in his parents basement and is fun to deal with.

Go away

Hey... hey. :cry:

I live on the main floor still. ;)

Arguing over video games is fun. :cheers:

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:45 AM

Some PS3 games

Devil May Cry 4
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2
Haze
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
Killzone 2
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Tom Clancy's EndWar
Grand Theft Auto IV
Hei$t Codemasters
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Fallout 3
MLB '08: The Show
Gran Turismo 5
Destroy All Humans! Path of the Furon
Final Fantasy XIII
Getaway
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
Marvel Fighting Game [untitled]
Prince of Persia Next-Gen [untitled]
SOCOM: Confrontation
Tom Clancy's Air Combat

Rockstar is even working on a western game set to release at the end of the season like Gun.

Can't really say X360 owns the PS3

The PS3 will have an amazing 2008 too but a lot of those games will be on the 360. :teach:

meehan

01-07-2008, 12:49 AM

Some PS3 games

Devil May Cry 4
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2
Haze
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
Killzone 2
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Tom Clancy's EndWar
Grand Theft Auto IV
Hei$t Codemasters
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Fallout 3
MLB '08: The Show
Gran Turismo 5
Destroy All Humans! Path of the Furon
Final Fantasy XIII
Getaway
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
Marvel Fighting Game [untitled]
Prince of Persia Next-Gen [untitled]
SOCOM: Confrontation
Tom Clancy's Air Combat

Rockstar is even working on a western game set to release at the end of the season like Gun.

Can't really say X360 owns the PS3

The number of exclusives is such a small part of that list, and could get even smaller is MS swipes a few like they did with Devil May Cry. And of course the xbox version of GTA will have exclusive downloadable content. Xbox 360 is in good shape. Either way, if you have one of those consoles you will have a good 2008. Of course being me is the best as I have both. =P

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:50 AM

But it had the highest rating? Why shouldn't the highest rated game make game of the year?

It's a conspiracy against Halo... they know the world would simultaneously explode from all the Sony Fanboys rioting if a Halo game ever got game of the year.

It's the only logical explanation. :)

CioCio

01-07-2008, 12:50 AM

Some PS3 games

Devil May Cry 4
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2
Haze
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
Killzone 2
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Tom Clancy's EndWar
Grand Theft Auto IV
Hei$t Codemasters
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Fallout 3
MLB '08: The Show
Gran Turismo 5
Destroy All Humans! Path of the Furon
Final Fantasy XIII
Getaway
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
Marvel Fighting Game [untitled]
Prince of Persia Next-Gen [untitled]
SOCOM: Confrontation
Tom Clancy's Air Combat

Not many exclusives in that list at all. Killzone and The Getaway were average games at best. Also, if some of those games don't even have a title at this point, I doubt we'll be seeing them anytime soon. Not to mention that you know a system is in dire straits when a Brothers in Arms game (and not even exclusive at that) is one of the most anticipated games! :biglaugh:

Indicative of the PS3's situation is that when the Xbox 360 got BioShock, the PS3 answered right back with Lair! :biglaugh:

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 12:51 AM

The PS3 will have an amazing 2008 too but a lot of those games will be on the 360. :teach:

Which is why if we compare the PS3 exclusives to the 360 it is sad. E3-07 showed the 360 had nothing to show.

The PS3 is one year behind the 360 and until nov/07 the 360 had crap. 08 is the year of the PS3.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 12:54 AM

Which is why if we compare the PS3 exclusives to the 360 it is sad. E3-07 showed the 360 had nothing to show.

The PS3 is one year behind the 360 and until nov/07 the 360 had crap. 08 is the year of the PS3.

Nah, Microsoft said they only wanted to focus on 2007 at E3 07... they held the majority of their 08 stuff back.

Fable 2
Gears Of War 2
Ninja Gaiden 2
Forza 3
Too Human
Halo Wars
Banjo Threeie

Those are some heavy hitters which have either been announced, rumored or confirmed for the 08 year.

CioCio

01-07-2008, 01:01 AM

The PS3 is one year behind the 360 and until nov/07 the 360 had crap. 08 is the year of the PS3.

What are you talking about? Gears of War, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Lost Planet, BioShock, Halo 3, etc. were all released prior to November of '07.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 01:04 AM

Nah, Microsoft said they only wanted to focus on 2007 at E3 07... they held the majority of their 08 stuff back.

Fable 2
Gears Of War 2
Ninja Gaiden 2
Forza 3
Too Human
Halo Wars
Banjo Threeie

Those are some heavy hitters which have either been announced, rumored or confirmed for the 08 year.

Nope I call them heavy toilets.

GOW2 OMG that is huge - 6 million sales
NG2 I dunno, play it on the ps3 it's the same
FORZA 3 please....dead, if it looks that bad in it's 2nd gen it should just off itself. It s horrible.

The rest are a joke to the company and you.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 01:06 AM

What are you talking about? Gears of War, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Lost Planet, BioShock, Halo 3, etc. were all released prior to November of '07.

You lack brainpower in the whole idea.

CioCio

01-07-2008, 01:13 AM

You lack brainpower in the whole idea.

I'm not sure you're one to be making remarks about intelligence. You've already proven your inability to see complexity in things and to see past your own opinions.

And, what "idea" of yours? "until nov/07 the 360 had crap" Or some other post where you basically stated your opinion is reality and those who don't share it are deluding themselves? You don't have ideas to "get," I'm afraid.

Can we seriously get a new PS3 representative in here, anyways? Someone who wants to continue the spamming but who doesn't come across as a grade schooler, maybe.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 01:18 AM

I'm not sure you're one to be making remarks about intelligence. You've already proven your inability to see complexity in things and to see past your own opinions.

And, what "idea" of yours? "until nov/07 the 360 had crap" Or some other post where you basically stated your opinion is reality and those who don't share it are deluding themselves? You don't have ideas to "get," I'm afraid.

The 360 had nothing until GOW Nov 07.

Go away

CioCio

01-07-2008, 01:18 AM

GOW2 OMG that is huge - 6 million sales
NG2 I dunno, play it on the ps3 it's the same
FORZA 3 please....dead, if it looks that bad in it's 2nd gen it should just off itself. It s horrible.

Haha now you're taking swipes at games like Gears of War and Forza?? Please. Aside from Uncharted, the PS3 exclusives have been jokes thus far. Not to mention that the majority of cross-platform games thus far perform noticeably worse on the PS3. As an example that even relates to HF, just look at NHL 08.

CioCio

01-07-2008, 01:19 AM

The 360 had nothing until GOW Nov 07.

Go away

No, this is a 360 thread. You're in fact spamming the thread. Follow your own advice. Just be sure not to get to worked up and curse or else mommy might notice it on the filter!

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 01:23 AM

CioCio

01-07-2008, 01:25 AM

I have forza2 you fuctard, and a 360.

Where did I dispute that? Haha "fuctard" :biglaugh: Now you have me wondering who bought all these systems and games for you!

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 01:27 AM

Where did I dispute that?

I'm not sure. You tell me.

CioCio

01-07-2008, 01:29 AM

I'm not sure. You tell me.

...?

Rhetoric at its finest.

CMacdonald

01-07-2008, 01:31 AM

Where did I dispute that? Haha "fuctard" :biglaugh: Now you have me wondering who bought all these systems and games for you!

I'd say me, normally I'd steal them but again I know

Load 8....ya whatever

I;m 12

The Comedian

01-07-2008, 01:36 AM

Nothing but assumptions. Lots of games sell well on PC, especially if they come out on steam or have good multiplayer. There are a lot of good games coming out for PC in the next 2 years that aren't going on console. This is besides the point though, because my point was that almost all xbox360 games also come out on PC, Crysis was a PC only game so it has nothing to do with anything. Why would you get a 360 if you could get every game on the PC you already have?

From a personal perspective, it saved me a fair chunk of money just renting games, only counting those available on the 360 and the PC. After that, it's just preference, like not waiting 12 months to play Gears of War on my PC. My TV is HD but my monitor and graphics card cannot handle HD yet, so if I want better looking games a console is an obvious choice even if games are released on both.

My only gripe, I cannot play games like Assasin's Creed and Mass Effect with a keyboard and mouse.

The Comedian

01-07-2008, 01:40 AM

94% rating on gamerankings, over 8 million in sales, and even now has had almost 60,000 games played on live over the last 24 hours. I don't know, but I think it was a success. :)

Ratings can be bought
http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/11/gamespot-inside.html

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20071129.jpg

and massive success like Halo's in the game industry is like massive success in any industry (Titanic...? Britney Spears...? McDonalds...?)

meehan

01-07-2008, 01:42 AM

meehan

01-07-2008, 01:45 AM

Ratings can be bought.

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/11/gamespot-inside.html

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20071129.jpg

Yeah, perhaps a few can be bought, however, gamerankings lists 108 media outlets contributing to the Halo 2 review (good luck buying off that many people AND not catching a ton of flack for it, which can be seen by just one guy getting paid off).

The Comedian

01-07-2008, 02:42 AM

Man did this thread go to the crapper in a hurry. Here I was thinking we could get some nice discussion going about some of the games with potential coming out in 08, only to have ps3 fanboys talk up killzone and tell us North American gamers that we are secondary to the Japanese market. :shakehead

I mean common, if you are feeling jealous about not having an xbox 360, take it to therapy.

I don't disagree here, if a PS3 owner created a thread talking about games released on their system, I wouldn't be bothered, I might even read it if I was considering purchasing a PS3. As for the Japanese market, I don't give a rat's ass about what's popular in Japan, if the 360 did what was necessary to appeal to Japan I probably wouldn't like the games released on it.

Yeah, perhaps a few can be bought, however, gamerankings lists 108 media outlets contributing to the Halo 2 review (good luck buying off that many people AND not catching a ton of flack for it, which can be seen by just one guy getting paid off).

Yeah, IGN's "review" of Halo 2 was spun for the sake of appeasing the advertisers. Actually, that doesn't go far enough, it was an advertisement. Comments like "Halo 2 tells a story with balanced restraint and minimalist tendencies" was just a way of spinning the fact that its plot was almost nonexistent, followed by persistent commentary on how the ending isn't that bad unless you let it bother you. In fact, I found it far easier to enjoy Halo 1-3 when I didn't pay attention to the story, when I did, the games blew.

The reality is that most gaming magazines, online or print could get themselves pulled from the good books of many publishers/developers by giving what would be an unbiased review. The result might not be an immediate loss of advertising dollars but it might result in a loss of promotional materials that would be needed to release the review the day before the release of the game. The fear of this happening actually causes online magazines to give a positive slant in their reviews, especially when a big developer is involved.

Check out metacritic, even with fanboy posts Halo 1 through Halo 3 managed to get some mediocre user reviews despite all of them managing "universal acclaim" from the critics. Comparatively Orange Box, Bioshock and Mass Effect's user reviews didn't stray too far from the critical reviews. This is not really commentary on corrupt review practices but that there are some supposedly great games if you look at just the review scores but if you pay attention to the commentary of the people who've bought it and played it for a couple hours you'd find it far from the truth.

Solidius

01-07-2008, 05:56 AM

Everybody's out to get the PS3. If a game with a weak story comes out for both consoles, it'll be criticized in the PS3 review for "not developing its characters" and praised in the 360 review for "not cluttering its story with unnecessary plotlines".

FloydianSlip

01-07-2008, 06:03 AM

Haha now you're taking swipes at games like Gears of War and Forza?? Please. Aside from Uncharted, the PS3 exclusives have been jokes thus far. Not to mention that the majority of cross-platform games thus far perform noticeably worse on the PS3. As an example that even relates to HF, just look at NHL 08.

I wouldn't say that at all. I own a few that I've really enjoyed ...ie,

MLB07 The Show
Heavenly Sword
Uncharted
Resistance
Warhawk (underrated)
Folklore (underrated)

As far as the multiplatform games being worse on the ps3 ...sure some were not quite as good, but it wasn't a night and day thing. Many times you'd have to really have to know about it beforehand and really be looking for it. Sometimes the cross platform game would even be better on the ps3. Rare, but sometimes it would.

PS3 has worked it's growing pains out for the most part now. There's plenty of games and plenty more on the way. World wide sales are up around 9million and growing.

Not bad for it's first year ...and with a price tag that was pretty high in the face of a lot of competition. With the games that are on the way for 2008, it's gonna be a good year.

meehan

01-07-2008, 07:25 AM

Yeah, IGN's "review" of Halo 2 was spun for the sake of appeasing the advertisers. Actually, that doesn't go far enough, it was an advertisement. Comments like "Halo 2 tells a story with balanced restraint and minimalist tendencies" was just a way of spinning the fact that its plot was almost nonexistent, followed by persistent commentary on how the ending isn't that bad unless you let it bother you. In fact, I found it far easier to enjoy Halo 1-3 when I didn't pay attention to the story, when I did, the games blew.

The reality is that most gaming magazines, online or print could get themselves pulled from the good books of many publishers/developers by giving what would be an unbiased review. The result might not be an immediate loss of advertising dollars but it might result in a loss of promotional materials that would be needed to release the review the day before the release of the game. The fear of this happening actually causes online magazines to give a positive slant in their reviews, especially when a big developer is involved.

Unless you have hard evidence that proves this, you really are just slinging mud. Yeah, maybe a few sites can be biased, however, every site out there won't be so easily swayed. Many super hyped games from big publishers have received mediocre reviews. Assassins Creed and Heavenly Sword are two of the more recent ones that come to mind.

Check out metacritic, even with fanboy posts Halo 1 through Halo 3 managed to get some mediocre user reviews despite all of them managing "universal acclaim" from the critics. Comparatively Orange Box, Bioshock and Mass Effect's user reviews didn't stray too far from the critical reviews. This is not really commentary on corrupt review practices but that there are some supposedly great games if you look at just the review scores but if you pay attention to the commentary of the people who've bought it and played it for a couple hours you'd find it far from the truth.

See, I don't care about user reviews on metacritic because I have a much better tool to analyze what the general public is thinking......sales figures. Money talks, everything else walks. Yeah, sometimes a game that sells a ton isn't great, however, I find those instances to be rare exeptions. And on the case at hand (halo) I know they aren't exeptions, as I have all three and found them to be fun play throughs (and I know I am not alone in feeling this). Thus, for me, the system works.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 07:33 AM

Nope I call them heavy toilets.

GOW2 OMG that is huge - 6 million sales
NG2 I dunno, play it on the ps3 it's the same
FORZA 3 please....dead, if it looks that bad in it's 2nd gen it should just off itself. It s horrible.

The rest are a joke to the company and you.

Ninja Gaiden 2 isn't on the PS3. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is almost the same game as the original Xbox game.

Forza 2 was amazing and it goes for a sim rather than incredibly graphics heavy. It was rated a 9.2 at gamespot and the third will destroy GT 5.

You've got to actually play the games man... and Forza 2 looks pretty damn good.

Fire Therrien

01-07-2008, 07:35 AM

I have a much better tool to analyze what the general public is thinking......sales figures.
And the Oscar for Best Picture goes to.... Transformers!

Klaus

01-07-2008, 07:35 AM

On a side note (which is sad, considering this IS what the thread should be discussing), I'm really interesting in seeing how Too Human and Alan Wake turn out. I've liked Silicon Knights stuff in the past and loved the Max Payne games.

Alan wake looks amazing. I'm also a big fan of the Max Payne series. Both should be good games, both of them with long development cycles.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 07:39 AM

The 360 had nothing until GOW Nov 07.

Go away

GeOW came out in 2006.

The 360 has had tons of games before and after Gears of War that are better than most anything that is on the PS3.

All the PS3 has is Uncharted, Warhawk, and R & C.

That's all 3 games that are decent.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 07:39 AM

And the Oscar for Best Picture goes to.... Transformers!

Transformers rocks. :teach:

blacklabel

01-07-2008, 07:48 AM

Forza 2 was amazing and it goes for a sim rather than incredibly graphics heavy. It was rated a 9.2 at gamespot and the third will destroy GT 5.

Neither is going to destroy the other. Stop being a fanboy.

The Fuhr

01-07-2008, 07:50 AM

I wouldn't say that at all. I own a few that I've really enjoyed ...ie,

MLB07 The Show
Heavenly Sword
Uncharted
Resistance
Warhawk (underrated)
Folklore (underrated)

As far as the multiplatform games being worse on the ps3 ...sure some were not quite as good, but it wasn't a night and day thing. Many times you'd have to really have to know about it beforehand and really be looking for it. Sometimes the cross platform game would even be better on the ps3. Rare, but sometimes it would.

PS3 has worked it's growing pains out for the most part now. There's plenty of games and plenty more on the way. World wide sales are up around 9million and growing.

Not bad for it's first year ...and with a price tag that was pretty high in the face of a lot of competition. With the games that are on the way for 2008, it's gonna be a good year.

Fogot Ratchet and Clank, just a brilliant game.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 07:58 AM

Neither is going to destroy the other. Stop being a fanboy.

Have you heard... some cars in GT 5 will have damage while others will not?

That is pathetic. Either put damage in completely or leave it out and go back to GT style bumper car racing.

Jussi

01-07-2008, 08:00 AM

This thread should be renamed "Klaus and CMacdonald fight about consoles"... :shakehead

Jussi

01-07-2008, 08:01 AM

Can we seriously get a new PS3 representative in here, anyways? Someone who wants to continue the spamming but who doesn't come across as a grade schooler, maybe.

Why bother, they both seem to be on the same level.

blacklabel

01-07-2008, 08:11 AM

Have you heard... some cars in GT 5 will have damage while others will not?

That is pathetic. Either put damage in completely or leave it out and go back to GT style bumper car racing.

Well big ****ing deal! If you think that such a minor issue will make the game less enjoyable then you are setting up a disappointment for yourself.

GT5 is one of the most wanted games in the PS3 2008 lineup and I guarantee you it will not be destroyed by Forza 3.

Plus there's never been car damage in GT series anyway and that doesn't mean the games haven't been great.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 08:24 AM

Well big ****ing deal! If you think that such a minor issue will make the game less enjoyable then you are setting up a disappointment for yourself.

GT5 is one of the most wanted games in the PS3 2008 lineup and I guarantee you it will not be destroyed by Forza 3.

Plus there's never been car damage in GT series anyway and that doesn't mean the games haven't been great.

So now that some cars will have damage and some won't that won't affect races especially when said damage is supposed to affect how the car handles and performs?

Everybody will just take a 'tank' car and ram the others off the road.

The Comedian

01-07-2008, 08:24 AM

Unless you have hard evidence that proves this, you really are just slinging mud. Yeah, maybe a few sites can be biased, however, every site out there won't be so easily swayed. Many super hyped games from big publishers have received mediocre reviews. Assassins Creed and Heavenly Sword are two of the more recent ones that come to mind.
Don't even bring up Assassin's Creed, I read those reviews and played the game regardless, what a load of garbage. I wish I could give you a link but hype has been a major driving force in the score/review a game has received.

See, I don't care about user reviews on metacritic because I have a much better tool to analyze what the general public is thinking......sales figures. Money talks, everything else walks. Yeah, sometimes a game that sells a ton isn't great, however, I find those instances to be rare exceptions. And on the case at hand (halo) I know they aren't exceptions, as I have all three and found them to be fun play through (and I know I am not alone in feeling this). Thus, for me, the system works.

Sales figures? The sales of a game, especially if you're buying a game in the first month of its release, is a result of hype, not quality. Halo 3 made 300 million in sales in its first week, which would be about 5 million copies sold at $60 apiece, not factoring that some of those sales would've been the limited edition (if 1 million limited editions sold, that would be 4.8 million copies total). Up to this date 8.1 million copies have been sold, that's just under 2/3's of the companies sales were in the first week. 3.1 million in sales since is nothing to scoff at but it still hasn't surpassed the first week.

In the same vein, Mass Effect went gold weeks before it was released, to this date it has sold 1.7 million copies. Assassin's Creed sold 1.4 million in its first week, 2.5 total today.

Dare I say that if a game like Mass Effect will take 2 months to double their pre-order sales, Assassin's Creed about 3 months to equal their first week and Halo 3 probably 5 months that hype is the biggest driving force in the sale of games?

Guess the next question is, do you subtract first week sales from your assessment of the popularity of a game? If so, then you will have a more accurate measure of the quality of a game, it won't be a great measure but at least that will be enough time for the "word" to get around.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 08:25 AM

Why bother, they both seem to be on the same level.

And you honestly take something so petty too ****ing seriously. If you think Cmacdonald or myself are losing sleep over this 'argument' then you're kidding yourself.

Klaus

01-07-2008, 08:27 AM

Guess the next question is, do you subtract first week sales from your assessment of the popularity of a game? If so, then you will have a more accurate measure of the quality of a game, it won't be a great measure but at least that will be enough time for the "word" to get around.

That isn't fair at all. Most people that really want a game that is hyped up as much as Halo 3 will always get it with-in a month of release if they're able to.

Games always sell less as times go on - generally accepted.

The Comedian

01-07-2008, 08:39 AM

That isn't fair at all. Most people that really want a game that is hyped up as much as Halo 3 will always get it with-in a month of release if they're able to.

Games always sell less as times go on - generally accepted.

That's not really the point though, is it? You said high sales were an indication of high quality, personally I don't like Halo 3 very much, it felt I like I was playing against handicapped midgets in multiplayer, something I don't experience with most online shooters, not to mention I wasn't a fan of many of their map implementations.

I'll give it credit though, it sells, gets people paying for xbox live and forces Bungie to maintain tonnes of dedicated servers, so it's doing something to attract people who aren't like me (handicapped midgets are a huge demographic, I guess).

I shall leave it at this, if following where the $$$ is spent works for you, go for it. For me it's a toss up and in a bad year I'm likely to end up with a piece of crap.

blacklabel

01-07-2008, 09:08 AM

So now that some cars will have damage and some won't that won't affect races especially when said damage is supposed to affect how the car handles and performs?

Everybody will just take a 'tank' car and ram the others off the road.

I don't think the damage will affect the car handling or performance, they just put it there to improve the game and cars visually.
I doubt the developers are that stupid that they give no-damage racers a clear advantage over those whose cars can be damaged.

Where did you find this info anyway? I haven't read or heard any of this.

meehan

01-07-2008, 09:24 AM

Don't even bring up Assassin's Creed, I read those reviews and played the game regardless, what a load of garbage. I wish I could give you a link but hype has been a major driving force in the score/review a game has received.

Again, like different consumers, different review sites will have differing reviews. IGN hated the game, gamespot loved it. Its controversial, and sales numbers have proven that the general public likes the game. I myself am torn on it. On the one hand I loved the storyline and presentation aspects of the game; on the other hand I found the gameplay to be very repetative. Overall, I found it a positive experience and am looking forward to the other two in the series.

Sales figures? The sales of a game, especially if you're buying a game in the first month of its release, is a result of hype, not quality. Halo 3 made 300 million in sales in its first week, which would be about 5 million copies sold at $60 apiece, not factoring that some of those sales would've been the limited edition (if 1 million limited editions sold, that would be 4.8 million copies total). Up to this date 8.1 million copies have been sold, that's just under 2/3's of the companies sales were in the first week. 3.1 million in sales since is nothing to scoff at but it still hasn't surpassed the first week.

In the same vein, Mass Effect went gold weeks before it was released, to this date it has sold 1.7 million copies. Assassin's Creed sold 1.4 million in its first week, 2.5 total today.

Dare I say that if a game like Mass Effect will take 2 months to double their pre-order sales, Assassin's Creed about 3 months to equal their first week and Halo 3 probably 5 months that hype is the biggest driving force in the sale of games?

Guess the next question is, do you subtract first week sales from your assessment of the popularity of a game? If so, then you will have a more accurate measure of the quality of a game, it won't be a great measure but at least that will be enough time for the "word" to get around.

Though I think the legs a game has is important, I think we also have to take into account that with demos and all the information we have prior to release, people will generally know what they like well before the release date. And yes, halo 3 selling millions after the release date is a testament to it being a good game. Notice I keep saying good game and not something like greatest ever. In the end everything comes down to personal opinion; reviews, sales numbers, hype etc, all contributes to the end user making the purchase decision, however, like in many marketplaces, there is no foolproof system that will guarantee satisfaction. Eventually, you have to take all the data in hand and risk some money to find what you like.

RandV

01-07-2008, 09:36 AM

I don't think the damage will affect the car handling or performance, they just put it there to improve the game and cars visually.
I doubt the developers are that stupid that they give no-damage racers a clear advantage over those whose cars can be damaged.

Where did you find this info anyway? I haven't read or heard any of this.

Yes, you have to wait and see how they handle it until you criticize it. Considering how many car models Gran Turismo uses that would be a huge undertaking to add damage to all of them. But anyawys, wow, did this thread ever turn into a pissing match quick. Though it seems to be the Sony fanboys this time around doing the damage, usually it's the other. It's pretty straight forward really, Microsoft brought the North American PC game developers into the console market, which is why it's so heavy on FPS, while Sony has the long time console game developers in Japan. Some titles jumped ship early on as PS3 sales were initially poor, but they're close to 9 million now and will probably reach at least 15mil by the end of 2008. As the risk to making a PS3 exclusives drops you shuold see more come out.

As for the original topic of the thread, the 360 doesn't own anything on me. I think we get it now, these high-def next gen games look great. Simply posting a pretty screenshot isn't going to convince me of anything. Especially considering all the FPS and EA titles presented. FPS'ers have become so dime-a-dozen that its hard for any particular one to stand out, and EA only makes good games, not great.

I'm also extremely confused by the 'Xbox Exclusive" label. There's two command and conquer games in there, one a RTS, the other FPS... and the RTS is labeled as an exclusive? Shouldn't that be the other way around? You can't tell me they're making a long time PC RTS series exclusively for a console are you? People were talking about the difference between PC and Console FPS'ers earlier in this thread, an RTS would be even worse.

meehan

01-07-2008, 10:41 AM

As for the original topic of the thread, the 360 doesn't own anything on me. I think we get it now, these high-def next gen games look great. Simply posting a pretty screenshot isn't going to convince me of anything. Especially considering all the FPS and EA titles presented. FPS'ers have become so dime-a-dozen that its hard for any particular one to stand out, and EA only makes good games, not great.

I think one of the things this thread does point out is that there is more to the xbox than FPS. Too Human and NG2 are some nice hack and slash action titles that I'm interested in. And then of course when you recently hear about how Jade Empire 2 code supposedly already exists for xbox 360; things look really nice.

WeedMan

01-07-2008, 10:47 AM

Man did this thread go to the crapper in a hurry. Here I was thinking we could get some nice discussion going about some of the games with potential coming out in 08, only to have ps3 fanboys talk up killzone and tell us North American gamers that we are secondary to the Japanese market. :shakehead

I mean common, if you are feeling jealous about not having an xbox 360, take it to therapy.

On a side note (which is sad, considering this IS what the thread should be discussing), I'm really interesting in seeing how Too Human and Alan Wake turn out. I've liked Silicon Knights stuff in the past and loved the Max Payne games.

but you're kind of a good one talkin. it's obvious that you're a microsoft/360 fanboy. all you seem to talk about is how the 360 is awesome and that the ps3 isn't. you might not come right out and say it, but it's obvious. i mean come on ...you said windows vista was good when in fact it's common knowledge that it's crap. anyone who knows anything will tell you that. you said gears of war had the best graphics when in fact it's common knowledge that uncharted is the best looking game out on any console at the moment. it's obvious that you love microsoft and the 360, and then you'll call anyone who enjoys the ps3 a fanboy when they say the same type of things that you yourself say about microsoft and their products. kinda sad, but somewhat funny.

am i a ps3 fanboy? i'm sure you think that i am, but in reality i just enjoy a good product which is what the ps3 is - a nice product. sony makes some great electronics and i appreciate that. i don't care for microsoft at all because they have a history of copying other companies products (has microsoft ever come up with something on their own?) and sending out garbage to the masses. they're pathetic and i admit that i enjoy seeing them get kicked around any chance i get. the 360 is a mess and it's just par for the course. vintage microsoft right there.

meehan

01-07-2008, 11:22 AM

HAHAHA man this is quite a fun lunch break I am having.....where to start....

but you're kind of a good one talkin. it's obvious that you're a microsoft/360 fanboy.

Which is why I repeatedly say that I own all THREE systems, and a good PC. Which is why I also have repeatedly praised Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted right? I mean what do you ever say other than how xbox sucks and ps3 is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

all you seem to talk about is how the 360 is awesome and that the ps3 isn't.

BS. I've talked up Mario Galaxy, crysis, COD 4, uncharted, ratchet and clank, and UT3, all of which are games I own that aren't on xbox. Again, what exactly do you do other than show up on threads and talk down xbox?

you might not come right out and say it, but it's obvious. i mean come on ...you said windows vista was good when in fact it's common knowledge that it's crap. anyone who knows anything will tell you that.

So what now popular opinion does matter? I say I like vista from my own personal experience, which comes from both using it for leasure (gaming, web surfing, etc) to work related activities (application developement, document creation, etc). Now if people disagree, thats their problem, I happen to love vista and stated that often the new version of windows takes flack in the beginning, eventually I have no doubt they will make the product as good as if not better than XP.

you said gears of war had the best graphics when in fact it's common knowledge that uncharted is the best looking game out on any console at the moment.

Really? Common knowledge eh? Everyone right? Which is why uncharted got lower scores for graphics on IGN than ratchet and clank or UT3(which are other ps3 games) or better yet COD4 on ps3/xbox which got a 10. Not to mention gears of war, which also got a perfect 10. And anyway, graphics, like art, are subjective, who the hell are you to tell me what I think looks best? I mean, I'm on record saying uncharted is top 5 for console graphics, and given some of the other games I just listed (not to mention other games with nice graphics like bioshock or mass effect or ace combat), that isn't exactly bad company to be in and should be seen as a compliment.

it's obvious that you love microsoft and the 360, and then you'll call anyone who enjoys the ps3 a fanboy when they say the same type of things that you yourself say about microsoft and their products. kinda sad, but somewhat funny.

I only call out fanboys when they show up on an xbox 360 thread and downtalk it, just like I would if people showed up on a upcoming ps3 release list and started downtalking MGS 4 or God of War 3. Again, I have every system, so I got no need to play favorites.

am i a ps3 fanboy? i'm sure you think that i am, but in reality i just enjoy a good product which is what the ps3 is - a nice product. sony makes some great electronics and i appreciate that. i don't care for microsoft at all because they have a history of copying other companies products (has microsoft ever come up with something on their own?) and sending out garbage to the masses. they're pathetic and i admit that i enjoy seeing them get kicked around any chance i get. the 360 is a mess and it's just par for the course. vintage microsoft right there.

Right, you like to see someone in the industry fail, just so your team can have a monopoly. Well, that my friend is fanboyism. I myself like to see everyone in the industry produce quality products, as that is when the unbiased gamer wins. But really, keep fooling yourself into thinking the 360 is a mess if that helps you sleep at night.

kurt

01-07-2008, 12:20 PM

top_gun36

01-07-2008, 12:57 PM

Personally Im more excited for the PS3 lineup than the X360 lineup for 2008 (which is pretty much the opposite of 2007). That and since Im getting a new computer this summer means my xbox will get less love this year

TVanek26*

01-07-2008, 01:12 PM

Honestly, I could care less about Japan

STOP turning this thread into a ****ing pissing match. I could care less about the PS3.. go start another thread about it if you want to talk about it.

:handclap:

**** the PS3, and the wii.....The 360 is the best, I was strictly a Playstation guy my whole life, I got PS at launch, PS2 near launch and I had never even ****ing played the original XBOX ONCE and yet as soon as I bought the 360, I realized how much better it is then the PS3 (My brother has one) and the wii (kiddie system for people who can't afford to pay extra for a 360 or the 10 bucks extra for an actual next gen game.Wii isn't next-gen, it's an upgraded version of N64 stuck between next-gen and old-gen)

RandV

01-07-2008, 01:23 PM

Wii has won the console war this round, hands down. It may not be for the hardcore gamergeeks out there, but it's still a runaway winner both in terms of sales and innovation.

The 360 has had a huge head start on sales due to the earlier launch date, but I still believe that PS3 will come second when all is said and done. Perhaps not in volume, but in terms of critical acclaim. It's just a much more capable, technologically robust system.

Yes, the Wii gets no love around here. Nothing really wrong with being a hardcore gamergeek, but one thing they fail to grasp is not everyone has the time to play a huge lineup of games. It's nice and all if the 360 has 30 'awesome must buy' games coming out for it this year, but if I'd only have time to play a handfull of them it doesn't really matter to me.

Devilsfanatic

01-07-2008, 01:26 PM

Saint's Row was a great game in 07 that I completely forgot about. Excited for SR2 later this year.

albathegreat*

01-07-2008, 01:29 PM

Anyone know if there will be a UFC game in 2008 for 360?

Sting

01-07-2008, 02:44 PM

znk

01-07-2008, 04:59 PM

Good lord, way to derail a thread PS3 fanboys. After MGS4 and FFXIII are out, it'll be interesting to see what Sony can muster up in terms of big games since MGS is done, and FF has gone downhill in recent years.

I still don't buy the whole 'just get a PC and you basically have a 360' argument. I choose 360 over a PC any day. Do you know how expensive it is to constantly upgrade a computer? Not to mention, PC games are usually watered down or after-thoughts once the 360 version is done. Case in point: Halo, Gears. Its just going to continue.

LittleBigPlanet.

Just scrolling the list of games on google right now and here are the ones I would like to check out.
Little Big Planet
Killzone 2
MGS 4
FF XIII
FF XIII Versus
White Knight Chronicles
God of War3
Resistance 2 (the first one is the only ps3 game I played other than Guitar Hero and a bit of COD4)
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed

But being a PC gammer and having never played consoles I feel I'd be more comfortable with Xbox games. Mass effect for example is a game I would definitely like to play. But I got the ps3 as a media center mainly. So I have no issues right now and as I said in a different post(and I even made a thread about it) something that hit me by surprise was little big planet.

I still prefer the PC for strategy games and shooters. I'm a keyboard and mouse guy. To me playing first person shooters without them is like playing hockey without a stick. Must be all the old school Q2CTF, Counter-Strike and Battlefield playing that burned this in to my head.