A call to waive Hollweg...

...can we please see this fulfilled?

...can we please see this fulfilled?

why?

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why?

:shakehead

Because he's horrible. He's added practically nothing to this team. We have much better options in Hartford. ****, just put Hossa on the 4th line and he'd be better there (while being awful on EVERY other line, Hossa is at least a tad useful on the 4th).

dumb to waive him, he can be added in a package, some team would pick him up

I 2nd it. He serves no purpose.

why?

:shakeheadIt's not a hard argument to make that his reputation on hitting is hurting us more than his digging is helping us.

Not that waiving Hollweg solves any problems, so it seems kind of pointless unless its in conjunction with other moves.

Because he's horrible. He's added practically nothing to this team. We have much better options in Hartford. ****, just put Hossa on the 4th line and he'd be better there (while being awful on EVERY other line, Hossa is at least a tad useful on the 4th).

I was thinking the same thing. Hossa s/b a 4th line player.

Because he's horrible. He's added practically nothing to this team. We have much better options in Hartford. ****, just put Hossa on the 4th line and he'd be better there (while being awful on EVERY other line, Hossa is at least a tad useful on the 4th).

but but but but he runs around and hits people!!!!!!!!!!!111!11!111!111111!!!


Seriously, I have said it before. If hits that take you out of the play was equillibrated to goals scored, then Hollweg would be Mario Lemieux.

I wouldn't waive him, but I hope he gets suspended after that check tonight. There's simply no room in hockey for that cheap ****.

Because he's horrible. He's added practically nothing to this team. We have much better options in Hartford. ****, just put Hossa on the 4th line and he'd be better there (while being awful on EVERY other line, Hossa is at least a tad useful on the 4th).
if shanny and straka are out, hollweg should be the 3rd guy too, recall dawes and moore:

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I wouldn't waive him, but I hope he gets suspended after that check tonight. There's simply no room in hockey for that cheap ****.

suspeded?? damn, sooo harsh

I wouldn't waive him, but I hope he gets suspended after that check tonight. There's simply no room in hockey for that cheap ****.

You cant be serious. That was as much of a dive as a board. Explain to me how the guys head is up before the hit, and after the hit it mysteriously drops to ice level to ensure a call?

No my friend you are wrong. Hollweg should not get suspended and the Rangers collectively were hosed by the Zebrae tonight.

suspeded?? damn, sooo harsh

Maybe, but I hate hits from behind..no matter who does it. There's no room in the game for plays like that. Maybe just one game, but that probably should at least get something.

You cant be serious. That was as much of a dive as a board. Explain to me how the guys head is up before the hit, and after the hit it mysteriously drops to ice level to ensure a call?

No my friend you are wrong. Hollweg should not get suspended and the Rangers collectively were hosed by the Zebrae tonight.

While the officiating was brutal tonight, there was intent to injure on the play in my opinion. I don't blame the refs for making the call at that point, it's just a play that I never like to see happen.

How can a guy that seems so nice off the ice be so useless and ruthless on the ice. If you can't control your temper don't bother

While the officiating was brutal tonight, there was intent to injure on the play in my opinion. I don't blame the refs for making the call at that point, it's just a play that I never like to see happen.

There is only an intent to injure, if the guy whos being hit, his head stays at somewhat of the same height throughout the hit, meaning he has no idea whats happening. (insert Oiler here) knew he was close to theboards, and was being hit, so drops his head down to ensure a call. There is no intent to injure there, and this is coming from some one who think Hollweg is a giant *******.

I would suspend him. People get broken necks doing that. What an idiot "I didn't touch him" hmmm....can we go to the video evidence

How can a guy that seems so nice off the ice be so useless and ruthless on the ice. If you can't control your temper don't bother

I wonder if its just a common thing with these 4th line role players. People said the same thing about Simon.

While the officiating was brutal tonight, there was intent to injure on the play in my opinion. I don't blame the refs for making the call at that point, it's just a play that I never like to see happen.

Intent to injure?? c'mon. Hollweg, if his intent was to hurt the guy, would have sped up before he hit him. He coasted in and hit the guy.

Dirty, yeah. Dangerous, yeah, but even with that said I don't think it was worth 5 minutes. Over-reaction because of who it was.

Can we also waive Prucha, Callahan, Hossa? Thgree who have been worthless all year..Can we also waive all the other players (and it's alot) that committed stupied penalties the past few games?

It was a bad, bad penalty by Hollweg..but his first hit this year that even a little past borderline..Like the rest of the 4th line, he plays too much (becasue the 3rd line SUCKS) but on too many nights he is the only forward that throws the damn body...Sometimes Dubu does and Most times Avery does, but that's it...

Hollweg is so far from being a problem on this team...That being siad, I have no problem with him sitting after this penalty..ANd if history is any indication, he will, and will have a hard time getting back in the lineup (but he's been more effective then 3 or 4 other forwards)

poll it:teach:

Intent to injure?? c'mon. Hollweg, if his intent was to hurt the guy, would have sped up before he hit him. He coasted in and hit the guy.

Dirty, yeah. Dangerous, yeah, but even with that said I don't think it was worth 5 minutes. Over-reaction because of who it was.

I do agree that Hollweg never sped up and went full-on into him, but the plan was still to hit him from behind and that's pretty much always a dirty (or at the least questionable) play. Honestly, I would like to see the league clamp down on plays like this. I would sit him for a game if I were the league, but that's just me.

Can we also waive Prucha, Callahan, Hossa? Thgree who have been worthless all year..Can we also waive all the other players (and it's alot) that committed stupied penalties the past few games?

It was a bad, bad penalty by Hollweg..but his first hit this year that even a little past borderline..Like the rest of the 4th line, he plays too much (becasue the 3rd line SUCKS) but on too many nights he is the only forward that throws the damn body...Sometimes Dubu does and Most times Avery does, but that's it...

Hollweg is so far from being a problem on this team...That being siad, I have no problem with him sitting after this penalty..ANd if history is any indication, he will, and will have a hard time getting back in the lineup (but he's been more effective then 3 or 4 other forwards)

I do believe that the 3rd line spent the entire night on EDM's side of the ice had great chances, and like all 3 other lines, were just stopped by a hot goaltender.

That was a retarded penalty he took, it may not have been a 5 minute major - but he puts himself in the position of getting too many boarding and checking from behind penalties so he deserves it - it seems like theres one or two occasions per game that he hits someone from behind.
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How friggin frustrating

I do believe that the 3rd line spent the entire night on EDM's side of the ice had great chances, and like all 3 other lines, were just stopped by a hot goaltender.

Yes, but that has been very rare this year...And even when they buzz, they can't score...The 3rd line, along with the PP, has been the biggest problems of the team

That was a retarded penalty he took, it may not have been a 5 minute major - but he puts himself in the position of getting too many boarding and checking from behind penalties so he deserves it - it seems like theres one or two occasions per game that he hits someone from behind.
:shakehead

How friggin frustrating

If so, why is this the first one that's been called this year and with him having a bulls eye on his back?

Yes, but that has been very rare this year...And even when they buzz, they can't score...The 3rd line, along with the PP, has been the biggest problems of the team

And again the PP goes back to... ding ding ding our coach. New coach= fixed PP.

After what he did tonight, i hope he does get suspended and waived...i dont care if he made some last ditch effort to pull up, you can kill a guy or end someones career like that. Dont want to see anyone in blue do that EVER.

Yes, but that has been very rare this year...And even when they buzz, they can't score...The 3rd line, along with the PP, has been the biggest problems of the team

What the hell does that have to do with Hollweg? Say whatever you want about Hossa, but Prucha is being completely misused and Cally still is injured and hasn't even played a full season in his career. Terrible comparison. Hollweg will never score more than 3 goals in a season. He can't do anything on the powerplay. He can't do anything on the PK. He doesn't fight. He isn't a good defender. He isn't a good passer. He isn't a good skater. He isn't hockey smart. Please tell me what he brings to the table besides making a section of drunken fans cheer after smashing his face into the glass when the puck is on the other side of the rink?

What the hell does that have to do with Hollweg? Say whatever you want about Hossa, but Prucha is being completely misused and Cally still is injured and hasn't even played a full season in his career. Terrible comparison. Hollweg will never score more than 3 goals in a season. He can't do anything on the powerplay. He can't do anything on the PK. He doesn't fight. He isn't a good defender. He isn't a good passer. He isn't a good skater. He isn't hockey smart. Please tell me what he brings to the table besides making a section of drunken fans cheer after smashing his face into the glass when the puck is on the other side of the rink?

Hes good at dancing in the locker room with ridiculous hats on!

Hes good at dancing in the locker room with ridiculous hats on!

and Guitar Hero. My bad, we should keep him.

What the hell does that have to do with Hollweg? Say whatever you want about Hossa, but Prucha is being completely misused and Cally still is injured and hasn't even played a full season in his career. Terrible comparison. Hollweg will never score more than 3 goals in a season. He can't do anything on the powerplay. He can't do anything on the PK. He doesn't fight. He isn't a good defender. He isn't a good passer. He isn't a good skater. He isn't hockey smart. Please tell me what he brings to the table besides making a section of drunken fans cheer after smashing his face into the glass when the puck is on the other side of the rink?

What it has to do wit Hollweg is that you got a flock of bozos around here calling for waiving him after one hit when this team has so many other problems. And, in fact, Hollweg and his linemates were probably the only line doing the job asked by the coach consistently over the last 6-7 games...Thye have provided defense of top lines, getting scored on infrequently, and freeing the other lines to focus on offesne--and mainly failing.

And please with the excuses for Prucha and Cally. This year they have both sucked, plain and simple

...can we please see this fulfilled?

Yeah, then we'll officially be the softest team in the league. He got called for a BS major. **** happens in this poorly officiated league.

After what he did tonight, i hope he does get suspended and waived...i dont care if he made some last ditch effort to pull up, you can kill a guy or end someones career like that. Dont want to see anyone in blue do that EVER.

He barely hit the guy. Watch the replay again. He shoved him from behind. It was not a brutal cross check. Some of you are blowing it way out of proportion.

:handclap::handclap: Terrible player.

What it has to do wit Hollweg is that you got a flock of bozos around here calling for waiving him after one hit when this team has so many other problems. And, in fact, Hollweg and his linemates were probably the only line doing the job asked by the coach consistently over the last 6-7 games...Thye have provided defense of top lines, getting scored on infrequently, and freeing the other lines to focus on offesne--and mainly failing.

And please with the excuses for Prucha and Cally. This year they have both sucked, plain and simple

It has nothing to do with the hit. It has to do with, "Hollweg just did another moronic thing, another reason he needs to be waived." Nobody suggested he was fine with the team and then he made this hit and deserves to be waived. It has to do with the fact that he has 1 more goal in his career than Brodeur does He doesn't do anything productive.

While you definitely can say Cally and Prucha haven't been doing well this year, there is no way you can tell me that A) Prucha is a 4th liner B) Either of them will peak out to be 4th liners C) They are at their best right now. Hollweg is at his best right now. There is no room for improvement. Cally has shown he can chip in a few as well as be a great PKer. Prucha has shown he can score plenty and skate really well. What the hell has Hollweg shown? Holy crap, Andy Hilbert has more goals this year than Hollweg has in his career. If you seriously think that Hollweg has been the key to the Rangers 4th line not giving up goals then you need a guide dog.

It has nothing to do with the hit. It has to do with, "Hollweg just did another moronic thing, another reason he needs to be waived." Nobody suggested he was fine with the team and then he made this hit and deserves to be waived. It has to do with the fact that he has 1 more goal in his career than Brodeur does He doesn't do anything productive.

While you definitely can say Cally and Prucha haven't been doing well this year, there is no way you can tell me that A) Prucha is a 4th liner B) Either of them will peak out to be 4th liners C) They are at their best right now. Hollweg is at his best right now. There is no room for improvement. Cally has shown he can chip in a few as well as be a great PKer. Prucha has shown he can score plenty and skate really well. What the hell has Hollweg shown? Holy crap, Andy Hilbert has more goals this year than Hollweg has in his career. If you seriously think that Hollweg has been the key to the Rangers 4th line not giving up goals then you need a guide dog.

Hollweg is a 4th liner in the AHL. That is all. Byers should be here instead. Byers is just as physical and scored more than Hollweg in the AHL. Byers adds size and is better around the net.

Not sure he should be waived, but that hit/dumb penalty to take at that point in the game should make Hollweg find his a$$ in the press box for a game or 2. Put Hossa on the 4th and bring up someone to play with Dubi/Prucha... It was completely stupid of Hollweg to do that then. You simply cannot take that penalty/chance of a penalty when your team needs to win a game.

Not sure he should be waived, but that hit/dumb penalty to take at that point in the game should make Hollweg find his a$$ in the press box for a game or 2. Put Hossa on the 4th and bring up someone to play with Dubi/Prucha... It was completely stupid of Hollweg to do that then. You simply cannot take that penalty/chance of a penalty when your team needs to win a game.

agreed, call up dawes or moore

It has nothing to do with the hit. It has to do with, "Hollweg just did another moronic thing, another reason he needs to be waived." Nobody suggested he was fine with the team and then he made this hit and deserves to be waived. It has to do with the fact that he has 1 more goal in his career than Brodeur does He doesn't do anything productive. .

I don't think I've missed a Ranger game since 1984...why not use this thread to explain to me the list of moronic things that Ryan has done this year? Seriously...overreacting. He does a lot of intangibles, and he is a hard working Ranger. Have some pride in your players who deserve it...he's a team player and I hope he retires a Ranger.

Yes he is sometimes a fringe player, but we need at least one since the Orr project has turned him into a pus**.

Hollweg should get a game or 2 for that hit!

It has nothing to do with the hit. It has to do with, "Hollweg just did another moronic thing, another reason he needs to be waived." Nobody suggested he was fine with the team and then he made this hit and deserves to be waived. It has to do with the fact that he has 1 more goal in his career than Brodeur does He doesn't do anything productive.

While you definitely can say Cally and Prucha haven't been doing well this year, there is no way you can tell me that A) Prucha is a 4th liner B) Either of them will peak out to be 4th liners C) They are at their best right now. Hollweg is at his best right now. There is no room for improvement. Cally has shown he can chip in a few as well as be a great PKer. Prucha has shown he can score plenty and skate really well. What the hell has Hollweg shown? Holy crap, Andy Hilbert has more goals this year than Hollweg has in his career. If you seriously think that Hollweg has been the key to the Rangers 4th line not giving up goals then you need a guide dog.

No arguement about Holly (as well as Cally, Prucha (this year), Orrr and Hossa) being an offensive black hole but in fact, both betts and Holly have been the reason the line has played well defensively...Take off you prejudiced blinders..

And, right now, I'm not worrrying about the future, nor are the Rangers---that's a different arguement..cally and Prucha will be good players in their career, but right now, they suck (especially cally) and help the team little..

I don't think I've missed a Ranger game since 1984...why not use this thread to explain to me the list of moronic things that Ryan has done this year? Seriously...overreacting. He does a lot of intangibles, and he is a hard working Ranger. Have some pride in your players who deserve it...he's a team player and I hope he retires a Ranger.

Yes he is sometimes a fringe player, but we need at least one since the Orr project has turned him into a pus**.

I'm not denying he doesn't work hard. He clearly loves hockey, and is passionate about every shift. However, you don't just get a gold star for loving hockey. He doesn't do anything. I don't exactly know what intangibles he brings that you speak of, but we don't "have to have a fringe player." I'm not going to list every single thing he has done. There isn't one brutal thing he has done that stands out. It's the constant game-by-game thing where he hasn't accomplished anything.

Hollweg should get a game or 2 for that hit!

Ummm....no.

Hollweg is a 4th liner in the AHL. That is all. Byers should be here instead. Byers is just as physical and scored more than Hollweg in the AHL. Byers adds size and is better around the net.

Please tell me what Byers has done in the AHL over the last month..

I'm not denying he doesn't work hard. He clearly loves hockey, and is passionate about every shift. However, you don't just get a gold star for loving hockey. He doesn't do anything. I don't exactly know what intangibles he brings that you speak of, but we don't "have to have a fringe player." I'm not going to list every single thing he has done. There isn't one brutal thing he has done that stands out. It's the constant game-by-game thing where he hasn't accomplished anything.

He normally applies pressure and physical play during his 40 seconds on the ice. He's a 4th liner. If the rest of the team didn't have the problems they are having, we would be playing better hockey. Bettsy & Holly are pieces of the cog. Replace Orr with an actual 4th liner. Replace Prucha and Straka with an actual sniper. Ryan is fine.

I'm not denying he doesn't work hard. He clearly loves hockey, and is passionate about every shift. However, you don't just get a gold star for loving hockey. He doesn't do anything. I don't exactly know what intangibles he brings that you speak of, but we don't "have to have a fringe player." I'm not going to list every single thing he has done. There isn't one brutal thing he has done that stands out. It's the constant game-by-game thing where he hasn't accomplished anything.

Again, what has Hossa, Cally , Prucha accomplished? ANd keeping the other team--especailly top lines-- of the scoreboard is an accomplishment...Something Holly and his line were doing...And, it's a sad thing, that he is the only Ranger forward that hits on a nightly basis...Both things that caoches (but maybe not internet experrts) need on their team

Hollweg has proven himself able to play in the NHL. He has the speed and the physical ability. Byers has proven nothing....not even that he can perform consistently in Hartford. Hollweg is not the problem with the Rangers.

I'm not denying he doesn't work hard. He clearly loves hockey, and is passionate about every shift. However, you don't just get a gold star for loving hockey. He doesn't do anything. I don't exactly know what intangibles he brings that you speak of, but we don't "have to have a fringe player." I'm not going to list every single thing he has done. There isn't one brutal thing he has done that stands out. It's the constant game-by-game thing where he hasn't accomplished anything.

Ryan also is a welcomed member of the locker room. I know people will say that sh** dont matter, but it does. And if the rest of the team was performing properly, Ryan would just be a necessary piece to the machine. I cant believe this is what we are talking about. 1 gaol vs the 2nd worst goalie system in the league.

Poorly constructed team...a bunch of centers playing wing, in a system where scoring was downplayed as a priority.

Hollweg has proven himself able to play in the NHL. He has the speed and the physical ability. Byers has proven nothing....not even that he can perform consistently in Hartford. Hollweg is not the problem with the Rangers.

Hey ThisYearsModel- I have that poster (ur avatar) hung up in my basement...nice. It's right next to my "Made in America" Brian Leetch poster.

i wouldnt waive him, but id trade him for a 6th rounder or something. our 4th line should be hossa betts and korpedo.

from my site...

First, with the game tied at 1 with something like 6 and a half minutes to go, Ryan Hollweg takes a disturbing, and disgusting penalty, rightfully called a major with a game misconduct. I know quite a few of my Rangers brethren were upset at this call, but I for one was not. Frankly, I feel Ryan should be given a 2 or 3 game suspension for that hit. The other player (whose name escapes me right now) had his back turned, in a prone position 2 feet from the boards for a good 5-10 seconds before Hollweg hit him. It wasn’t like he turned at the last minute. Hollweg had every single opportunity to not hit him face first into the boards. He could have come at him from one side or the other. He could have stuck his stick between the players legs to jab the puck away from him. He could have simply backed away and taken another man. But instead he flagrantly cross checks the player head first into the boards. Now sure, he didn’t do it as hard as he could have, but is that any excuse? I’m sorry officer, I was just going 20 over the speed limit, but you know, I had a straightaway there for a good 10 miles, I could easily have been going 50 over the speed limit, but decided to hold back a bit. Thats ok right?

I’m sorry guys and gals, but that is unacceptable. If that were Petr Prucha on the receiving end of that hit, we would all be rallying together for a permanent ban from the league for Hollweg who is a repeat offender when it comes to dirty hits like that.

the guy is a BUM he only hits from behind. he's gonna really hurt someone one of these days. funny thing is this isn't even mentioned on the oilers thread.

the guy is a BUM he only hits from behind. he's gonna really hurt someone one of these days. funny thing is this isn't even mentioned on the oilers thread.

agreed.

I'm on board. Even when his hits are clean, he's usually putting himself behind the play to begin with, and any forechecking / turnovers he might cause is irrelevant, because he will never score or set up a goal. He hasn't been awful at keeping teams in their own zone, but he's extremely replaceable and when everyone's healthy, I don't see him deserving a spot more than Hossa on the 4th line. Hossa is a much better defensive player, both positionally and in terms of reading the play.

if shanny and straka are out, hollweg should be the 3rd guy too, recall dawes and moore



Havent we seen enough of Dawes already..:shakehead

See what happens when Malik get scratched? Now Hollweg is getting waived.

This just proves that Malik is more valuable to this team than we all realize. He takes the heat off of all the other average players ;)

the guy is a BUM he only hits from behind. he's gonna really hurt someone one of these days. funny thing is this isn't even mentioned on the oilers thread.

How many times has he been called for hitting from behind this year? And it isn';t mentione beasue it's no big deal....Only melodramatic Ranger fans with an axe to grind are making a huge deal out of it when there are so many things wrong with thie team...Hell, peole are suggesting we call up somebody like Korpikosli, an inconsistent AHL forward at best right now..

How many times has he been called for hitting from behind this year? And it isn';t mentione beasue it's no big deal....Only melodramatic Ranger fans with an axe to grind are making a huge deal out of it when there are so many things wrong with thie team...Hell, peole are suggesting we call up somebody like Korpikosli, an inconsistent AHL forward at best right now..

i'm not suggesting anything excepty that hollweig doesn't belong in the nhl. he's a dirty player who brings little else to the table.
if the rangers have nobody in hartford better than hollweig,then they're in trouble.

Hollweg to me serves very little purpose on the team. hes skates well, thats about it. No hands, poor hockey sense, no shot, cant win a fight to save his life. There are many more people id prefer see there at this point istead of hollywood. Cally, Hossa(who is next to usless as well), someone mentioned Korp, strudwick or even Moore. All better options than hollweg

I have always been supporter of Hollweg and i thought he was really starting to play smarter, but that hit last night proved otherwise. He is going to hurt someone one day and that is something i don't want to see. If they package him in a trade i won't we be upset at this point.

it was definitely a dumb penalty and a worse call from the refs. Hollweg could be a decent player if he had a better hocky sense, but I would prefer to package him and get a strong offensively aware forward to replace him and mix up the lines. The Rangers need to do something to pull everything together.

Hollweg seems to have the maturity level of a kid in junior. Saw his interview on HNIC from Vancouver about his first period tangle with Brown. While that fight in itself is no big deal, being a one-for-one tradeoff, he came off like a dumb punk 16 year old to me. Gave me better insight into why this guy does the crap he does. He's filler on this team, and I don't think his antics actually inspire anybody. Try scoring a goal or assisting sometime. In contrast, I was anti-Avery until he came to NY and I actually saw him play, saw all the little things he does right, now that is what lifts up teammates.
Peddle Hollweg's butt to some team, somewhere.
Please, Lord.
Amen

He's a 4th liner that is asked by his coach to skate , forecheck, hit and play defense...He's been doing it...One dirty hit this year, and the crap starts flowing crucifying him for not doing things he isn't supposed to do (while guys like Cally, Prucha, Hossa and the impotent 3rd line are really killing the team)...I have no problem with Hollweg sitting, being an occasional 4th liner or whatever but I have no clue what some of you are expecting out of him.....And, you may not like his hitting, but take it away and you take away the only forward that hits every night (It's obvious Avery is hurting and Dubi takes nights off)

He's a 4th liner that is asked by his coach to skate , forecheck, hit and play defense...He's been doing it...One dirty hit this year, and the crap starts flowing crucifying him for not doing things he isn't supposed to do (while guys like Cally, Prucha, Hossa and the impotent 3rd line are really killing the team)...I have no problem with Hollweg sitting, being an occasional 4th liner or whatever but I have no clue what some of you are expecting out of him.....And, you may not like his hitting, but take it away and you take away the only forward that hits every night (It's obvious Avery is hurting and Dubi takes nights off)

i judge a line, or a player by what they accomplish in the game. does hollweg accomplish throwing the opponents off with his hitting? does he get them focusing on him instead of the puck? does he score goals? does he assist on goals? does he keep the puck out of his own net?

the numbers just dont lie. 0 goals, 1 assist, for 1 point in 41 games, and a minus 8.

he doesnt kill penalties. he doesnt hit nearly enough to justify his spot.

really all he has over Hossa is his speed. Hossa though has the ability to control the puck in the offensive zone for an entire shift by himself. that will lower their +/- right off the bat. Hossa can put in some goals, albeit not as much as we were hoping for. Hossa can kill penalties very well. Hossa is pretty solid defensively.

imho, there is no reason to have Hollweg in the lineup on your 4th line when you have a perfect 4th line left wing already in your lineup.

He barely hit the guy. Watch the replay again. He shoved him from behind. It was not a brutal cross check. Some of you are blowing it way out of proportion.

Ive watched it a bunch of times and i must say i disagree...to be honest there is no need for ANY contact from behind when a guy obviously has his back turned and is hunched over, its just a stupid play IMO.

Ive watched it a bunch of times and i must say i disagree...to be honest there is no need for ANY contact from behind when a guy obviously has his back turned and is hunched over, its just a stupid play IMO.

100% agreed.

I don't think I've missed a Ranger game since 1984...why not use this thread to explain to me the list of moronic things that Ryan has done this year? Seriously...overreacting. He does a lot of intangibles, and he is a hard working Ranger. Have some pride in your players who deserve it...he's a team player and I hope he retires a Ranger.

Yes he is sometimes a fringe player, but we need at least one since the Orr project has turned him into a pus**.

Me too. And I hope it's mid-season this year.

i judge a line, or a player by what they accomplish in the game. does hollweg accomplish throwing the opponents off with his hitting? does he get them focusing on him instead of the puck? does he score goals? does he assist on goals? does he keep the puck out of his own net?

the numbers just dont lie. 0 goals, 1 assist, for 1 point in 41 games, and a minus 8.

he doesnt kill penalties. he doesnt hit nearly enough to justify his spot.

really all he has over Hossa is his speed. Hossa though has the ability to control the puck in the offensive zone for an entire shift by himself. that will lower their +/- right off the bat. Hossa can put in some goals, albeit not as much as we were hoping for. Hossa can kill penalties very well. Hossa is pretty solid defensively.

imho, there is no reason to have Hollweg in the lineup on your 4th line when you have a perfect 4th line left wing already in your lineup.

Game. Set. Match.

The reason this thread was started may have been his thoughtless hit last night, but it isn't the only reason some of us want him out of the lineup. He's not a valuable player. We have much better options in Hossa, as well as in Hartford. Hollweg is not tough, and he does not bring "intangibles." He puts himself behind the play to make meaningless hits for the sake of hitting so he can think he's "doing his job." He hasn't done anything to help us win or save us from losing in 3 years. He's a borderline NHL player. He's more suited for the AHL. On a Rangers team with this much talent (despite their up and down struggles), there is absolutely no room for a player like this.

Ryan Hollweg's effectiveness for this team was shot down when Bettman came out with the hit to injure list. So far this season he was a shell of himself, as his energy shifts just completely diminished this season. But...in his defense, he has totally toned down his game as of late. Was the hit from behind last night...yes, but e didn't hammer the guy like people are making it out to sound. It was an extremely dumb penalty, at a very inopportune time...But I don't think it deserved a 5 minute major. The guy totally embellished the call. Watch the replay again. He really didn't hit him that hard, but again, it was definately from behind.

With that said, i always thought this club minus Hollweg is exceptionally soft. But this season in particular with him toning it down like he did they are soft in the hitting department anyway. I am starting to agree that it might be time to ship Hollweg out elsewhere. There are plenty of teams that will be interested in a high energy guy with a cheap pricetag. But for the Rangers if he is moved, I don't think they have a replacement in the syatem. Personaly I do not want to see Dawes on the 4th line. Maybe Slat's can go out and find a banger with a little more offensive upside?

everyone here that calls for hollweg to get suspended makes me laugh. i don't hear the same people asking for rozsival to be suspended. he had the same type of hit in the 1st period. you guys have to realize that if hollweg gets suspended for that, there would be dozens of suspensions a week. did it warrant a penalty... yes, but you guys are making hollweg out to be downie. i guess guys in front of the net should get a suspension everytime they cross check a guy to the ice.

everyone here that calls for hollweg to get suspended makes me laugh. i don't hear the same people asking for rozsival to be suspended. he had the same type of hit in the 1st period. you guys have to realize that if hollweg gets suspended for that, there would be dozens of suspensions a week. did it warrant a penalty... yes, but you guys are making hollweg out to be downie. i guess guys in front of the net should get a suspension everytime they cross check a guy to the ice.

It's not so much that he should be. It's that we want him to be ;)

as a islanders fan i can't stand the guy, he gives alot of cheap(from behind after the play type) hits but he is basically a 4th line guy doing what a 4th liner should do. If somebody is going to play 4-5 minutes on the 4th line probably better to have his type(high energy who throws a few hits and gets crowd into it) then a highly skilled guy who will just get frustrated with lack of icetime.

That being said if you kind find a 4th line player who can do 4th line kind of stuff(good defensively and/or hit and/or enforcer) better then getting rid of him might not be a bad idea

i judge a line, or a player by what they accomplish in the game. does hollweg accomplish throwing the opponents off with his hitting? does he get them focusing on him instead of the puck? does he score goals? does he assist on goals? does he keep the puck out of his own net?

the numbers just dont lie. 0 goals, 1 assist, for 1 point in 41 games, and a minus 8.

he doesnt kill penalties. he doesnt hit nearly enough to justify his spot.

really all he has over Hossa is his speed. Hossa though has the ability to control the puck in the offensive zone for an entire shift by himself. that will lower their +/- right off the bat. Hossa can put in some goals, albeit not as much as we were hoping for. Hossa can kill penalties very well. Hossa is pretty solid defensively.

imho, there is no reason to have Hollweg in the lineup on your 4th line when you have a perfect 4th line left wing already in your lineup.

Let's see, a forward who is 5th in the league in hits among forwards, despite playing like 6-8 mins a night doesn't thit enough? Right....

No one is questiong his total lack of offense (then again, Cally (who does NOTHING), Orr and Hossa, and Prucha most of the time) also fall under this category..

But unlike internet know-it-alls, the coach of the Rangers must think that Hollweg does contribute defensively, on the forecheck, and on the physical play. ANd I toally agree..

Hossa can PK, I agree. Those other parts of his game though have almost totally disappeared..And where Hollweg has made one bad decision, Hossa has made quite a few in his last few games on the ice...

Good post. I agree Hollweg contributes in forcing offensive zone faceoffs, drawing penalties, stuff like that. But still not enough to make up for his offensive ineptitude. I'd prefer a fourth line a Hossa Betts Orr.

With that said, i always thought this club minus Hollweg is exceptionally soft. But this season in particular with him toning it down like he did they are soft in the hitting department anyway. I am starting to agree that it might be time to ship Hollweg out elsewhere. There are plenty of teams that will be interested in a high energy guy with a cheap pricetag. But for the Rangers if he is moved, I don't think they have a replacement in the syatem. Personaly I do not want to see Dawes on the 4th line. Maybe Slat's can go out and find a banger with a little more offensive upside?

I would have agreed with you prior to his benching. Since then he ahs played consistently good hockey (especailly defensively and phyiscally) with one mistake--the stupid hit last night..he is the ONLY forward that hits every night. A healthy Avery does, but he';s far from it.. Don't get me wrong, Hollweg is replaceable but you don't throw the guy away and you need a proper replacement not just a "Play the kids" type becasue none of them are ready and you don't waste silled ones on the 4th line...NO problem with him rotating with the likes of Orr, Hossa, Cally but based on merit and contribution to the team

Good post. I agree Hollweg contributes in forcing offensive zone faceoffs, drawing penalties, stuff like that. But still not enough to make up for his offensive ineptitude. I'd prefer a fourth line a Hossa Betts Orr.

I agree. Hossa does a good job on the PK, and is a solid player. Hollywood just isnt doin it any more.

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I disagree.

1) Hollweg has use as a fourth liner. He is a hard hitter and helps provide energy and muscle along the boards. Don't let his lack of goals or a stretch of bad penalities cloud your judgement.

2) The Rangers have had injury problems with forwards this year...if you dump him you just might not that player.

I think the best thing is to keep Hollweg...he adds value and depth...but if he is in a slump....then why not bench him for Hossa and see how that goes?
Novel idea....bench not trade?

You have my vote... He is useless, entirely and does not belong on this team... He is a dirty, dirty player that has no place on my team. This man does not score and the players in hartford can do his job 10X fold...

The guy is cheap, has good speed, skates hard, and hits people. What else do you want from a 4th liner?


For goodness sakes, he leads the team in hits, what an awful thing from a checking line player. Yeah instead lets put greg moore or marcel hossa who won't check anyone, on a checking line. Good idea. :banghead:

Fezziweg is cheat and he serves a purpose. You can't have four lines of goal scorers. You need muckers and grinders.


Fezziweg for Odouchbag?

I would wait a little before waiving him. He is a decent checking 4th liner althogh his decisions on the ice sometimes baffle me. I would give him less minutes or bench him before anything that drastic.

Watch it over. It was a dive. Ryan was almost standing. Hollweg should play next game. I cleared him. So should Campbell.
And stop asking Betts and boys to score. This line is complete. No one will change anything. :naughty:

Waving my rear...

Watch it over. It was a dive. Ryan was almost standing. Hollweg should play next game. I cleared him. So should Campbell.
And stop asking Betts and boys to score. This line is complete. No one will change anything. :naughty:

Waving my rear...

Im not so sure I agree

Watch it over. It was a dive. Ryan was almost standing. Hollweg should play next game. I cleared him. So should Campbell.
And stop asking Betts and boys to score. This line is complete. No one will change anything. :naughty:

Waving my rear...

Yeah, I don't think he necessarily should be waived, that was a horrible call (when is officiating ever good?) should of been 2 minutes only because Hollweg should of knew he was going to dive, every player dives to give a powerplay to their team if they're in that position and get hit. It's common sense, because nine out of ten times it will be called.

I think it should have been 2 minutes also, but I dont think it was a dive, and it was a good non call on the dive. But no way was the 5 min major a fair call, but then again Ranger fans are used to it by now

I think it should have been 2 minutes also, but I dont think it was a dive, and it was a good non call on the dive. But no way was the 5 min major a fair call, but then again Ranger fans are used to it by now

We've had absolutely horrendous officiating in probably 37 of our 42 games. Not just for us, for the opposing team too.

They might as well have a bunch of gorillas ref the game, they'd probably do better.

We've had absolutely horrendous officiating in probably 37 of our 42 games. Not just for us, for the opposing team too.

They might as well have a bunch of gorillas ref the game, they'd probably do better.

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

We've had absolutely horrendous officiating in probably 37 of our 42 games. Not just for us, for the opposing team too.

They might as well have a bunch of gorillas ref the game, they'd probably do better.

Good dive is hard to detect. NHL has the best hockey players in the world. It is the place for the best divers in the world as well. Refs don't have the replay we do.

Good dive is hard to detect. NHL has the best hockey players in the world. It is the place for the best divers in the world as well. Refs don't have the replay we do.

I'd say a big guy who is known to be a good skater getting taken down by a little guy is usually a dead giveway.

Good dive is hard to detect. NHL has the best hockey players in the world. It is the place for the best divers in the world as well. Refs don't have the replay we do.

Not only talking about dives.

I'm starting to really dislike him. He is a cheap player, flat out. Get his no talent ass off the team.

the guy was facing the boards. He did hit him. Call it a dive, but he was also hit by Hollweg. To top it off, Hollweg has a history of borderline hits. I don't think he's trying to intentionally hurt people, but sometimes it's not that easy to stop when you play aggressive. But, his usefulness does wane with each game. I had mentioned that Callahan may be a better option there - a bit less toughness, as good, if not better defense, and a bit better skill.

the guy was facing the boards. He did hit him. Call it a dive, but he was also hit by Hollweg. To top it off, Hollweg has a history of borderline hits. I don't think he's trying to intentionally hurt people, but sometimes it's not that easy to stop when you play aggressive. But, his usefulness does wane with each game. I had mentioned that Callahan may be a better option there - a bit less toughness, as good, if not better defense, and a bit better skill.


Stupid play by Hollweg no doubt, but one of many by the Rangers over the last three games...As for "his usefulnees does wane with each game", I find that ridiculous....He's been playing damn good hockey ever since his benching and being very useful to the team in his role...Callahan, except for trying hard, has pretty much been a zero for a long time, how is he an option for anything?

He has made this one flagrant foul all year, I say keep him, he usually (past tense now perhaps??) hits clean. If he goes Simon on us, send him off quick.

PS did he get suspended?

let me first start by saying that Callahan has become 'useless' or 'overated' by many because he's not producing, and the expectation is for him is to score. Make him a fourth liner and the expectations should change.

Callahan plays as hard as Hollweg. He doesn't has the penchant for stupid penalties. His hitting is as effective as Hollweg's, and it's almost as frequent (or so it appears). His defense, I think, is actually better than Hollweg's but it's not too noticed because many focus on his scoring stats (actually, lack thereof). And, he does have a better skillset than Hollweg. Overall, I think he'd make a better fourth liner than Hollweg.

let me first start by saying that Callahan has become 'useless' or 'overated' by many because he's not producing, and the expectation is for him is to score. Make him a fourth liner and the expectations should change.

Callahan plays as hard as Hollweg. He doesn't has the penchant for stupid penalties. His hitting is as effective as Hollweg's, and it's almost as frequent (or so it appears). His defense, I think, is actually better than Hollweg's but it's not too noticed because many focus on his scoring stats (actually, lack thereof). And, he does have a better skillset than Hollweg. Overall, I think he'd make a better fourth liner than Hollweg.

The only thing I agree with in this stuff is that Hollweg does take more stupid penalties (but he indeed hits alot more) and that Callahan has a better skillset (but doesn't use it) but that Hoillweg is a better skater.On the rest, we'll have to agree to disagree...

And I could eventually see Cally being a good 4th liner--and where i see his future-- but right now, IMO, he needs to see IF he can get any offensive game back in the AHL and his defensive/physical plat are substandard (suffering from his offensive problems?) and less then Holly's right now.

let me first start by saying that Callahan has become 'useless' or 'overated' by many because he's not producing, and the expectation is for him is to score. Make him a fourth liner and the expectations should change.

Callahan plays as hard as Hollweg. He doesn't has the penchant for stupid penalties. His hitting is as effective as Hollweg's, and it's almost as frequent (or so it appears). His defense, I think, is actually better than Hollweg's but it's not too noticed because many focus on his scoring stats (actually, lack thereof). And, he does have a better skillset than Hollweg. Overall, I think he'd make a better fourth liner than Hollweg.

Callahan should be in Hartford to regain his confidence and get his game back but he deserves to be up in New York more than Moore. Ryan proved himself last year where as Moore didn't. Moore is proving himself this year but how can you not get points and have a great plus minus when you are playing along side Dawes. Injuries happen but in the long run Callahan is a more stable fourth or third liner, hes more aggresive and throws more hits than Moore and has more depth.Just give Callahan some time and he'll be back.