This team has been "Bertuzzied"

When the hell did everyone on this team become half assed lazy mother****ers like the 4 million dollar slacker?

Bertuzzi has spread his disgusting disease all over the team roster.

Everyone knows we lead the league in PIMs last yr, but most of that was due to fighting majors.

2006-07
PIM
1.) Anaheim 1457
2.) Phoenix 1445
TSH
1.) Columbus 453
16.)!!! Anaheim 410

2007-08 so far
PIM
1.) Anaheim 818
2.) Philly 697
TSH
1.) Anaheim 229
2.) Detroit/Chi/Cal 195


It's the root of all the problems with the team so far. No one skating away from the puck. No one willing to bust their ass on the forecheck. No one hauling ass through the neutral zone to receive the outlet pass(damn I miss seeing Selanne flying down the wing). Powerplay that blows. Everyone standing around with their thumbs up their ***** in the defensive zone, taking obstruction/hooking/tripping/holding penalties all over the place.

This was a fun team to watch last yr. Now, even when the Ducks win, it's mind numbingly boring.

Absolutely. I mentioned the TSH earlier in the season. Actually we've slowed down the penalty parade, when I did it we were on pace to blow past Columbus' 06-07 pace. Like 460 or something.

I think the Bertuzzi signing has surpassed the Friesen trade as my most hated Burke move. I hated it from the start. The funny thing is I expected him to fail, but he's actually performing below my expectations. I figured he'd at least be useful when he wasn't injured. 4 million, highest paid forward on the team, on pace for 36 points. 30 ****ing 6! And a lot of that is just his little 5 game scoring streak leeching off the twins. And he refuses to shoot.

Although I'm not sure how much of the team slacking is him rubbing off on the team as just some kind of Cup hangover. Players thinking they don't have to work as hard or something.

I agree. Anaheim is underacheiving and even the games they win are boring as hell.

Now I don't want to rag on him much more, because I do realize it was a high-risk high-reward type move...

But let's come up with a nickname!

Bertsucki. Bertcrappi. Bertlousi. Sucktuzzi. Bertusuck. Berstanki. Godd Awfulli. Bersnoozing. Ber-shoottheeffingpuckforgoodnesssakes...i

I agree. Anaheim is underacheiving and even the games they win are boring as hell.

Now you know what it's like to be a Sharks fan this season. :help:


Edit: Don't worry, though. Soon everything will be back to normal when Teemu comes back from his extended summer. Hopefully for us Marleau will come back, too.

But let's come up with a nickname!

Bertsucki. Bertcrappi. Bertlousi. Sucktuzzi. Bertusuck. Berstanki. Godd Awfulli. Bersnoozing. Ber-shoottheeffingpuckforgoodnesssakes...i

Here in Detroit we were calling him Stillwoozy after his concussion.

I really liked Anaheim last year I cheered for them over the Canucks in the playoffs. When they signed Bertuzzi my interest in them went down and after his performance so far my interest in Anaheim isn't what it used to be.

I hated Bertuzzi when he was doing well in Vancouver. He is lazy and takes dumb penalties.

I don't see Bertuzzi as a Bad person. I don't respect his contract but I do think he very much needed. or fits in well with the team. He still has half of a season to go.

Quick Question:
Bertuzzi what is the exact origin?

Quick Question:
Bertuzzi what is the exact origin?
I would guess Italian.

Now I don't want to rag on him much more, because I do realize it was a high-risk high-reward type move...

But let's come up with a nickname!

Bertsucki. Bertcrappi. Bertlousi. Sucktuzzi. Bertusuck. Berstanki. Godd Awfulli. Bersnoozing. Ber-shoottheeffingpuckforgoodnesssakes...i

I'm partial to Craptuzzi, that was the dumb name my friend came up with in high school and he was still with the Canucks.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure Bertuzzi is Italian

Absolutely. I mentioned the TSH earlier in the season. Actually we've slowed down the penalty parade, when I did it we were on pace to blow past Columbus' 06-07 pace. Like 460 or something.

I think the Bertuzzi signing has surpassed the Friesen trade as my most hated Burke move. I hated it from the start. The funny thing is I expected him to fail, but he's actually performing below my expectations. I figured he'd at least be useful when he wasn't injured. 4 million, highest paid forward on the team, on pace for 36 points. 30 ****ing 6! And a lot of that is just his little 5 game scoring streak leeching off the twins. And he refuses to shoot.

Although I'm not sure how much of the team slacking is him rubbing off on the team as just some kind of Cup hangover. Players thinking they don't have to work as hard or something.
I said this at the time but I just feel like saying it again. Bertuzzi was an elite player for a year and a half. That's it. He always sucked in the playoffs, so even if he wasn't a complete d.ouche nozzle for us right now, we'd still have to adjust come the postseason.

He's just a piece of crap.

Bert got you a 1st, 2nd, and a third out of edmonton.

Quit complaining.

ps..we love Penner.

bertuzzi is wack, i loved the guy though, he used to be a badass and always wreacking havoc on other teams. I wouldn't say it is entirely berts fault we are lazy though. In my opinion, we got lazy cuz we were taking too many penalties and they players felt if they played more like their fellow counterparts the LA pansies, that they would avoid penatlies, which they actually have at late. But we can't keep winning scoring 2 freakin goals, ok i understand we aren't gonna be so aggressive, but can we score more than ****ing twice in a damn game!!!! WE are gonna rely on goaltending and defense if we keep playing like this, and even our D has looked lazy i.e. the goal we gave up where moen and beauchemin were ****ing standing right there to tie up sharp or clear the puck and they did neither.

ps...we love the position you guys are in now, and the spot in the first round draft pick cuz of it, otherwise we could have been relying on ryan, getzlaf, perry for about 5 years...:handclap:

How can you blame Bertuzzi for how others play? People are always looking for a scapegoat, First it was Hnidy, then McDonald, now Bertuzzi. Bert was playing fine with the twins but Carlyle inexplicably decides to shake up the lines...again.

Look at every team the year after winning the cup in recent memory, or even the runner up...most just do not perform as well, whether it's the wear and tear on the body or a belief you can turn it on whenever you want who knows? The main goal is to just make the playoffs and hope the previous experiance can carry you.

And if you want to get to the root of our scoring problems, it's the fact we lack speed, we have a couple of fast forwards and only Kunitz has any offensive talent. Last year we were a big fast skilled team, now we are just a big slow moderately skilled team. Nobody respects our transition game anymore and to score goals now we have to work so ****ing hard on the boards that there simply isn't enough juice to carry the team.

Our top six has one guy whos' fast.

To blame Bertuzzi for this teams problems is hogwash, you want to start with blame it starts at the top with Burke and Carlyle with their inability to surround Andy McDonald with talent, and look what happens, we trade him for significantly less than what we could have received a few months ago. He was never given an opportunity to flourish with us this year, look what he's doing now compared to what Weight has given us.

Until we re-incorporate some speed with skill we are going to keep seeing these low scoring grind it out games.

And if we want to shake up the group a bit trade someone off of that checking line, none of the three have been nearly as good this year. I said before I wouldn't mind seeing Moen move, Kunitz would give more of a spark to that line if Teemu comes back of course.

Carter is earning a regular spot, he's got some speed and can play a hardnosed game, we need more of that and less slug types like May.

This particular game was mildly disturbing. I shouldn't be this disappointed after a victory, but I am right now. The team for the most part looked pretty bad. And this to a team with eight injuries to arguably their most significant players.

I guess I shouldn't be too upset. They did win of-course. I just hope that the way the team played tonight is not indicative of how they will play in the future.

Really sad to see what has happend to this team...
Should have waived Bert and signed Forsberg for the rest of the season who will try his foot and start skate in a few weeks....long shot and really a lottery, but i wouldnt mind..bertuzzi sucks ass, and i dont know if it would work with all the salary stuff and so on, really dont know alot of details about it.

Really sad to see what has happend to this team...
Should have waived Bert and signed Forsberg for the rest of the season who will try his foot and start skate in a few weeks....long shot and really a lottery, but i wouldnt mind..bertuzzi sucks ass, and i dont know if it would work with all the salary stuff and so on, really dont know alot of details about it.

Thats basically what we already did.... took a chance on Tuzzi. Personally i think he has been looking a lot better lately but still not 4 million dollars better

I like Bertlousi :biglaugh:

I said from the start that his signing was pure crap and he's confirming this. He couldn't produce even on the twins line.
Two years of him, please Burke... :shakehead

Bertuzzi is definitely an italian name though.

Bertuzz @ 4M + 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks in a great draft

or

Penner @ 4.3M?

Pretty easy choice for me.

Bertuzz @ 4M + 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks in a great draft

or

Penner @ 4.3M?

Pretty easy choice for me.

Don't forget that we're off the hook on Bertuzzi after next season, that's key.

Bert got you a 1st, 2nd, and a third out of edmonton.

Quit complaining.

ps..we love Penner.

Bertuzz @ 4M + 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks in a great draft

or

Penner @ 4.3M?

Pretty easy choice for me.

I know people want to tie the two players together, but I just don't think that the two are that directly related. At Penner's salary, and with the even greater implications that would have on Getzlaf and Perry if Burke had accepted, I doubt Burke would have matched even if we hadn't signed Bertuzzi. Yes signing Bertuzzi made cap space tighter, but so did Schneider, for example. If Burke wanted Penner he could have easily traded away someone else for a loss, like Marchant + 3rd (or higher next season) for future considerations. And Burke didn't choose Bertuzzi over Penner, because we really needed 2 top 6 forwards (why else are we still looking for one?) Burke wanted both.

Quite honestly I want neither Bertuzzi nor Penner at their salaries. Neither had proven enough to be the highest paid forward on our team. But I wouldn't mind Bertuzzi if he had a 1 year, incentive type contract. Especially since the team KNEW that Perry and Getzlaf were going to need to be re-signed this offseason.

i don't mind him on this team i just really do not like his contract.

I totally agree with whoever is saying the ducks fore checking is almost non existent or less than half assed. I see other teams with weak 5'10" 160 pound players hitting in their offensive zone and I think, isnt this supposed to be what the ducks are built on? This team was built to fore check. Every player on the team has the ability to get physical and right now they just arent doing it on a regular basis. Thank god for the goaltending we have been getting from hiller and jig. Without them we would be in some serious trouble.

here's to hoping they will turn it around. It would be one thing if they were fore checking and still only getting about 2 goals a game but they arent doing that. I dont think a change in the players min set is going to happen over night or maybe (god forbid) the rest of the season.

PS: kill those yotes tonight ducks!

ya honestly, last year a little player like kane would go nowhere near the boards cuz he was getting crushed every shift by pronger or pahlsson or someone. This year, we just let him skate all around us and never hit the little ****. Look what happened in the finals? We hit that little ***** alfredsson and he went away, we hit the sedin twins and they did ****, we hit gaborik every time he touched the freaking puck and he went away. *** HIT SOMEONE!!!

I think you guys are hating on Bert a little too much...he's finally starting to show signs of the Vancouver player again and I bet by playoff time he'll be one of our more dangerous forwards.

He is getting in front of the net a lot again, screening goalies and taking punishment. He wasn't doing that to start the season.

Well, I was being a bit facetious with the whole "disgusting disease" bit, but I think some of you have missed the point. It wasn't to bash Bertuzzi per se (even though he deserves it - almost as bad as the 9 mil we wasted on Feds).

It was to point out how pathetically lazy the entire team is. Again, I can't recall a single shift from tonight's game where someone flew through the neutral zone, went in hard on the forecheck and blew a phoenix defensemen up against the glass. Used to be, you could count on guys like Kunitz or Moen to get a couple "pancakes" a game.

Maybe the coaching staff needs to pop in the Stanley Cup DVD, and show the forwards what a physical team can do to their opponents ...

That's probably my fault, as I started the anti-Bertuzzi diatribe. And the "give him a nickname" campaign.

But like I said, I think the team's lazy because of the Stanley Cup hangover. It's just that they've experienced success, and have now forgotten how much hard work went into that.

Also, the team isn't "flying through the neutral zone" or "blowing up a defenseman" because of the decrease in speed. Sutherby, Bertuzzi, Weight, Ryan, (supposedly) Bochenski. These are all mediocre skating guys. McDonald and Teemu are gone. Not that McDonald and Teemu hit, but their speed backed off the defenders so that someone could go past the blueline unimpeded. Right now, Kunitz is the only fast one on the line of Kunitz-Weight-Bochenski, so the defenders can focus on slowing him down, so he can't hit the defenseman on a dump.

Nice way to call it - Bertuzzied :)

I have really different thoughts about Bertuzzi lately. Some times he makes really good plays, but seconds later he gives away the puck in crucial sitations. Good plays altarnate with bad ones. One thing is for sure, if this team wants to make good playoff run, he needs to step up his playing level.
I hope some miracle will happen and this team will start to play with more forechecking, like they did last year. We are not fast team and we NEED those hits.

Why won't Carlyle play Ryan with the twins. Just for a game or day two. The only thing outstanding about our offense is Perry and Getzlafs great long shifts and their overall skill. Besides Weight's nice passing, nothing else has really been consistent outside of Perry and Getzlaf. I think Ryan could benefit from the methodical puck possession style of the twins.

I think you guys are hating on Bert a little too much...he's finally starting to show signs of the Vancouver player again and I bet by playoff time he'll be one of our more dangerous forwards.

He is getting in front of the net a lot again, screening goalies and taking punishment. He wasn't doing that to start the season.
Sorry, the Vancouver Bertuzzi (pre-05-06) is gone and isn't coming back.

Canuck fan just checking in here... couldn't help but laugh a bit when I read the OP. Bert was doing the same thing to our squad after the Moore incident. Luckily we got rid of him while he still had some value, and turned him into Luongo to boot ;)

I wouldn't have any hope for Bertuzzi improving anytime soon. He always has been, and always will be, a lazy player that floats through games and plays little if any defence. Glad he's your problem now and not ours.

Well, I was being a bit facetious with the whole "disgusting disease" bit, but I think some of you have missed the point. It wasn't to bash Bertuzzi per se (even though he deserves it - almost as bad as the 9 mil we wasted on Feds).

It was to point out how pathetically lazy the entire team is. Again, I can't recall a single shift from tonight's game where someone flew through the neutral zone, went in hard on the forecheck and blew a phoenix defensemen up against the glass. Used to be, you could count on guys like Kunitz or Moen to get a couple "pancakes" a game.

Maybe the coaching staff needs to pop in the Stanley Cup DVD, and show the forwards what a physical team can do to their opponents ...

Yep watching these guys NOT TRY must drive the coach crazy. The lack of intensity by almost the entire team is very disappointing. After last season you just expect more from this bunch and we are just not getting it.

The only constant on this team is stupid penalties - which are the usually the result of players hooking or holding rather than making the effort necessary to ride the opponent out of the play.

Just think how pathetic we'd be if it wasn't for 2 young stars named Perry and Getzlaf!

Well what do you know. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bertuzzied)

^^^^^ lol you want him to hit someone?? but ya why not put ryan w/ the twins? could be the line for the future no?

^^^^^ lol you want him to hit someone?? but ya why not put ryan w/ the twins? could be the line for the future no?
Because the twins need someone to help them cycle so they can score, not someone who will lose the puck on the cycle so the only offensive threat on the team is nullified. Although Bertuzzi loses the puck by passing it into the slot when there's no one there. So maybe it'd be the same in the end.

Bert is a clown. When Burke signed him, we un-signed our season tickets. Burke has since had to trade McDonald, lost Bryzgalov for nothing and lost Penner to an offer sheet.......all because he had to give the classless, useless clown Bert a retirement contract. He should have never been permitted back into the league anyway.

It seems like the team has lost its swagger. I don't remember a single good hit or fight in the last few games. I remember last year being so proud of the fact that they punished the other team. Even if the other team won, it certainly wasn't an easy win for them. The team was tough as nails, hard on the forecheck, and displayed a lot of character. That team had this knack for coming back and they displayed that many times during the season. This one game against the Coyotes...they were down 4-1 at one point and came back to win 5-4 in OT. That was one of the defining moments of the season. Could you see this team do that? I certainly can't that is for sure. This team...needs something. Something that is hard to describe and yet the very thing that they lack.

The Anaheim Ducks as they are now need to be physical to be successful. That is how they were last year and that is how they need to be this year. The forecheck needs to reimplemented. Of-course, it still is, but the team seems to have went off course. I can't wait till Brad May gets in the lineup because I know that he will punish a defenseman with a huge hit in every game he plays.

If the Ducks continue to flounder and play .500 hockey, I think that Burkey should really consider thinking about next year in regards to Perry. This team NEEDS Perry. That has become very clear to me in the last few months. If he has to make moves, than he has to. It needs to be done.

ya know what i noticed, was in the recent game against pheonix when freaking huskins got ran over...no one even stepped to his aid. With last years ducks freaking mcdonald would have gotten in that guys face. They just have no pride and no team chemistry, i only see moen stepping up for his teammates when he is on the ice. No offense to Parros, cuz he looks good this season, but he needs to remember his role as a goon!!! He needs to fight more, plain and simple in order to restore life in this team...the team needs :help:

I don't think the Ducks are lazy at all - they're just slow which contributes to all the dumb stick and interference penalties. The last game against Phoenix was a perfect example. The Yote's were just skating circles around the Ducks and the Ducks didn't have the speed to get on them quickly on the forecheck. Getting Selanne back would help out tremendously. Burke should offer to personally baby-sit his kids to allow him to come back. He should even breast feed them if necessary.

The Ducks are currently Lazy, Old, Slow and Tired.
Burke and near future GMs will have a lot of work ahead of them.

For now, just cheer for the old guys to win!!!

The Ducks are currently Lazy, Old, Slow and Tired.
Burke and near future GMs will have a lot of work ahead of them.

For now, just cheer for the old guys to win!!!

Indeed, I am getting fed up that old person contracts are costing us players in their prime or youth.

lol everyone knew that bert was a cancer

still can't believe we got luongo

Because the twins need someone to help them cycle so they can score, not someone who will lose the puck on the cycle so the only offensive threat on the team is nullified. Although Bertuzzi loses the puck by passing it into the slot when there's no one there. So maybe it'd be the same in the end.

he said bobby ryan, i dont know who you are thinking of

he said bobby ryan, i dont know who you are thinking of
Sorry, all Ryan is good for in a game is a nice play or two that doesn't lead to a goal, a few offensive zone turnovers because he's too soft on the puck/cycle, and a few missed clears in the defensive end that leads to extended shifts bottled up in their own zone. I don't want him anywhere near the twins unless they've got a big lead. He needs to be in Portland or on the 4th line like Getzlaf, Perry, and Penner were in their rookie years.

He might be good in a year or two, but this year he's on pace to barely beat Sean O'Donnell's point total last season. SEAN O'DONNELL. (Yes in fewer games, but still).

Last year, I was so angry whenever I watched a Ducks game because I knew they were going to win most of the time and they kicked buttocks on the scoreboard and on the ice. This year when I have seen games, they have been extremely boring. I doubt that is because Bertuzzi even though he has played like horse crap from what I have seen. I just think they are mailing it in like Tampa and Carolina did the year after the one the cup. It doesn't help when you have two guys who were leaders, essentially taking off half the season and then coming back to play when it gets to playoff time. I know Selanne isn't under contract but it's been quite obvious that this was going to happen all season.

If I was a Ducks fan, I would really not like Brian Burke right now. He got lucky that he took over what Brian Murray pretty much created and has since eroded a lot of what is left of it. The whole Niedermeyer situation (and to a lesser extent Selanne if he comes back) certainly didn't help out either.

You guys got a lot of old guys that aren't going to be around in a few years, so they better make the best of it. And to any of you complaining, you are entitled to, but leave that to us Kings fans! We would be lucky to be complaining about the position you are in.

Now I don't want to rag on him much more, because I do realize it was a high-risk high-reward type move...

But let's come up with a nickname!

Bertsucki. Bertcrappi. Bertlousi. Sucktuzzi. Bertusuck. Berstanki. Godd Awfulli. Bersnoozing. Ber-shoottheeffingpuckforgoodnesssakes...i

avs fans can give you pleeeenty more names for him

Bertuzzi has a terrible attitude, and the skill-set he once had has pretty much disappeared, except for small flashes. The best you can hope for from him is a couple good games once in a while, and a whole bunch of terrible ones. In 05-06, Bertuzzi completely gave up on the team, and stopped listening to Crawford (although I'll give him a break on that). Good Bertuzzi is not coming back.

Last year, I was so angry whenever I watched a Ducks game because I knew they were going to win most of the time and they kicked buttocks on the scoreboard and on the ice. This year when I have seen games, they have been extremely boring. I doubt that is because Bertuzzi even though he has played like horse crap from what I have seen. I just think they are mailing it in like Tampa and Carolina did the year after the one the cup. It doesn't help when you have two guys who were leaders, essentially taking off half the season and then coming back to play when it gets to playoff time. I know Selanne isn't under contract but it's been quite obvious that this was going to happen all season.

If I was a Ducks fan, I would really not like Brian Burke right now. He got lucky that he took over what Brian Murray pretty much created and has since eroded a lot of what is left of it. The whole Niedermeyer situation (and to a lesser extent Selanne if he comes back) certainly didn't help out either.

You guys got a lot of old guys that aren't going to be around in a few years, so they better make the best of it. And to any of you complaining, you are entitled to, but leave that to us Kings fans! We would be lucky to be complaining about the position you are in.

You're right, Im really not liking Burke and that stupid Stanley Cup he brought to California. The nerve of that guy.

Bertuzzi is not to blame folks. Sure the guy doesn't shoot enough but he has the best set of hands this side of Ryan Getzlaf and creates a lot of chances (and is capitalizing on them lately). The problem with our offense, believe it or not as been our PK. Until Scotty got back it was terrible. Worst it's been since Guy Charon coached this team.

Now how does that effect our offense? We're afraid to take penalties and afraid to turn the puck over. Last year our forecheck was the key to our game. Get in their fast and hard and force the puck away. The forwards are too afraid to take a penalty and the edge of this team as diminished. Furthermore we are also more timid with attacking with pressure as to not get caught up ice. More neutral zone pressure means less odd-man attacks thus less likely to take a hooking penalty. Now I may be really stretching it but that's how it looks to me. At least that's why I think the edge is gone.

Also our PP has been lackluster this year and you can thank that to the absence of Scotty, Teemu and Penner. Getting Scotty back helps but we don't have anyone who can play the PP like Teemu. No one. There was a reason why he scored 25 PP goals last year. I fell Bert does an ample job if not better than Penner in front of the net but without Teemu's work on the half-walls it's all for not most of the time. Prongs, Frankie and Schneids all have big shots from the point but most of the time they get blocked. Teemu commanded a lot of attention when he was out there and those point shots were more affective because of that. Perry has good skills but always seems to be on his off-wing on the PP (a key for Teemu was being a righty shot on the right side; remember Mark Mowers being on the PP, it was because he was a righty).

So in a nutshell I feel our offense is so anemic because we take too many penalties/our PK sucked and no Teemu. So whose ready to bash Teemu because I'm not. This team, the way their playing now though it isn't pretty is capable of winning any given night. That's good enough for me. Considering how we started the year, the playoffs are fine for me. I ain't picky. But we can point a lot more fingers than just to Todd Bertuzzi. Which is funny for me to say because I hated the guy before he got here and will probably hate him again after he leaves (I don't hate any current Duck).

You're right, Im really not liking Burke and that stupid Stanley Cup he brought to California. The nerve of that guy.

You missed the point. Burke has made some moves that not only hurt the team this year but will probably have an impact down the road. Bertuzzi being one of them. These happened before AND AFTER the Stanley Cup.

Are liking that stupid loaf Bertuzzi that Burke brought to California too?

You missed the point. Burke has made some moves that not only hurt the team this year but will probably have an impact down the road. Bertuzzi being one of them. These happened before AND AFTER the Stanley Cup.

Are liking that stupid loaf Bertuzzi that Burke brought to California too?

Bertuzzi is under contract for one more year after this, not exactly crippling. Same with Schneider. Losing Penner sucks but I'll gladly trade him for Perry and whomever we get in the draft.

You missed the point. Burke has made some moves that not only hurt the team this year but will probably have an impact down the road. Bertuzzi being one of them. These happened before AND AFTER the Stanley Cup.

Are liking that stupid loaf Bertuzzi that Burke brought to California too?

If anyone reads this board enough you would see that we all think Bert was overpaid. If we had gotten him for 2 million, everyone would be happy. So we paid a guy 2 mil more than he is working out to be worth. Right now looking like a bad choice for two years, it may change, it may not. Whoppie fricking doo.

You need to look beyond the surface to see why the trades were made.

What are these changes that will hurt the club in the future huh? Not matching the Penner offer? Sorry, I love the guy and even have a #17 Penner jersey, but he is not worth that much. Plus we get 3 draft picks... nice

Trading Andy Mac? If you watched any of the 35 games you would see he wasn't doing the team any good. The trade was for the benefit of the club, but for tapping reasons. His contract was up at the end of next season anyhow. And we got Weight which is doing more for the team since he has been here than Andy did the start of the season.

Standing up to his word with Briz that we would trade him by a date so he could become a starter somewhere and when we couldn't get 1 deal for him put him on waivers so someone would snag him up? He stuck to his word that is more than other GM's would do. Hiller is the future goalie when Jiggy moves on. We don't need someone in between that is unhappy being a backup.

Trading Hnidy... please

Instead he focused on signing Moen, Kunitz, Getz and is working on Perry (see tapping above). He made sure we had a good Defense if Scotty did not come back with the signing of Matty. Goal keeping for now and the future.

So the choice with Bert is a risky one that may not pay off. But I still feel he is looking towards this year and the future with what he is trying to do. It may not work, but he is following a plan that has potential to work.

sonofbraincramp: it's tagging, not tapping. Just FYI.


One other key thing is that Burke has built this team to have expiring contracts after 2 more years. Pretty much everyone is either restricted or unrestricted after this offseason or next. This is something I've said since the lockout, but I expect a UFA-cap crisis in a few years. Look at all the huge, long term contracts being signed, some for incredibly unproven and likely to bust players (like Penner). The cap will not keep jumping up at the huge rate it has, because revenues were intentionally underestimated the first 2 years, and the players are slowly getting an increasing % of the cap. This will end at 57% (I think they're at 56 and some change now). There was also some pent up demand for hockey because of the lockout, and implemenation of new jerseys.

So in a few years, there will be many teams with huge chunks of payroll committed long term, and a cap that only increases for inflation. This will lead to an UFA crisis, and I'm expecting a market correction on player salaries. Now personally I think it'll take 3 more years, but maybe Burke thinks it'll take 2 years. But at that time, if we play it smart, we should be able to fill a lot of holes relatively cheaply. So while it may look like the current nucleus' window has closed, we may be able to open a new one with shrewd free agent signings.

Bertuzzi is under contract for one more year after this, not exactly crippling. Same with Schneider.


Bertuzzi is contributing to the Perry situation. No Bertuzzi, no problem.

Then Niedermeyer's antics made the situation worse (not Burke's fault) but I would be pissed about that as well. Now I don't think it would be that hard to unload Schneider if you needed to but I certainly thought that you would get something for Bryzgalov so who knows.


Losing Penner sucks but I'll gladly trade him for Perry and whomever we get in the draft.

If Burke didn't sign Bertuzzi you guys probably wouldn't have let him walk. I would rather have Penner and no Bertuzzi. Burke blew it by not signing him sooner and once the offer came, Burke had his hands tied because of the Bertuzzi signing.

The draft picks you guys are going to get may very well make it worth it but it's a crap shoot.


Look at all the huge, long term contracts being signed, some for incredibly unproven and likely to bust players (like Penner).


Unproven? Yeah. Likely to bust? Come on.. the guy is in his 2nd full season and you are saying he is likely to bust? I personally wouldn't have been happy with the signing if I am an Oiler fan but there is still a ton of untapped potential there. Certainly a lot more than you'll get from Bertuzzi. And he isn't putting bad numbers for his second season.

I guess my point is, Burke dug himself into a hole where he didn't have a whole lot of options and it's kinda snowballed. If I am a Duck fan, I hate Bertuzzi. Actually, I am not a Duck fan and I still hate Bertuzzi!


So in a few years, there will be many teams with huge chunks of payroll committed long term, and a cap that only increases for inflation. This will lead to an UFA crisis, and I'm expecting a market correction on player salaries. Now personally I think it'll take 3 more years, but maybe Burke thinks it'll take 2 years. But at that time, if we play it smart, we should be able to fill a lot of holes relatively cheaply. So while it may look like the current nucleus' window has closed, we may be able to open a new one with shrewd free agent signings.

It is going to be interesting to see if other teams besides the Oilers start sending out offer sheets. If Vanek or Penner never pan out the way they are expected, Edmonton and Buffalo will be in crappy situations in a few years!!

EDIT: Oh and I didn't come over here to rain on anyone's parade but I thought there might be more anger about the Bertuzzi situation and anger at Burke because of it.

Unproven? Yeah. Likely to bust? Come on.. the guy is in his 2nd full season and you are saying he is likely to bust? I personally wouldn't have been happy with the signing if I am an Oiler fan but there is still a ton of untapped potential there. Certainly a lot more than you'll get from Bertuzzi. And he isn't putting bad numbers for his second season.

I guess my point is, Burke dug himself into a hole where he didn't have a whole lot of options and it's kinda snowballed. If I am a Duck fan, I hate Bertuzzi. Actually, I am not a Duck fan and I still hate Bertuzzi!



It is going to be interesting to see if other teams besides the Oilers start sending out offer sheets. If Vanek or Penner never pan out the way they are expected, Edmonton and Buffalo will be in crappy situations in a few years!!

EDIT: Oh and I didn't come over here to rain on anyone's parade but I thought there might be more anger about the Bertuzzi situation and anger at Burke because of it.

Penner was just one example, of unproven. Bertuzzi would be my example of likely to bust, I just didn't give another example (Nylander or Jovo for long term likely to bust). And yes, I hate Bertuzzi. Signing Bertuzzi is what cost us whatever moves it takes to get Perry re-signed. It did not cost us Penner, but it did cost us the ability to move McDonald for a longer term asset.

I don't have much anger at Burke because I agree with most of his moves. The only moves he's made that I downright dislike are Bertuzzi and Friesen. Bertuzzi for multiple reasons: he shouldn't be a guaranteed contract, he shouldn't be signed past this year to give cap space for Perry/Kunitz/Getzlaf, and we shouldn't have signed as big of an insurance plan because Selanne and Niedermayer might have wanted back in. Friesen because I hate him and he's useless, and certainly not worth a 2nd round pick. I'm also not a fan of the Motzko/Hartigan/Konopka/Glencross move (because Glencross looks to be an NHL player... exactly my hangup at the time). Even if the Ducks had the cap space, I don't want Penner at that price.

But almost all of Burke's other moves have been great from a personnel standpoint. Burke has acquired or dumped the right guy almost every time. My only problem with him is that his asset management in doing so isn't very good. And his getting us a Cup means I'll be willing to swallow that flaw. Although I'm expecting Burke will be gone when it's rebuild time.

And his getting us a Cup means I'll be willing to swallow that flaw. Although I'm expecting Burke will be gone when it's rebuild time.

And who wouldn't! I agree with the second sentence as well.

sonofbraincramp: it's tagging, not tapping. Just FYI.

Whoops Tapping Up is an expression in English Football (soccer) which I follow as well.

If he plays like this I wouldnt mind the team being Bertuzzied every now and then. Great game for his confidence...he looked almost like the Bert of old.

If he plays like this I wouldnt mind the team being Bertuzzied every now and then. Great game for his confidence...he looked almost like the Bert of old.

i think he did look like the Bert of old that game.

i think he did look like the Bert of old that game.
I didn't think so. He didn't go through anyone (that I saw). But other than that, yeah. A little faster and more of a playmaker though.

i think he did look like the Bert of old that game.

Wasnt quite as mean as the old Bert....but I think he lost that mentality after the unfortunate incident with Moore. Still, he played very, very well. The thing about Bertuzzi is that when his head is in the right place confidence and motivation wise he is the most skilled forward on the team. He showed that tonight....his hands easily rivals Getzlaf's. Its just the consistency that is a problem.

Looked like a 4 million dollar player tonight.

Keep him with Getz and Perry.

Kunitz has some chemistry with Weight...now that Selanne guy needs to come back and we are set for another long playoff run.

yea he was not the bert of old, the bert of old used to never stick handle like that and show those hands...but this is a new bert a playmaker bert which is all he is really asked to be and allow getz/perry to do the scoring.

i think he did look like the Bert of old that game.

Yah, like when he played with the 96-7' Islanders and scored 7 goal with 11 assists.
Bert needs to step up his game a lot.

Bertuzzi=Penner
Draft picks>no draft picks

Bert might be lazy, but Penner is probably lazier. Even for a player who is basically supposed to do the dirty work down low and get a bunch of chip ins, Penner has had some absolute gift goals this year, more so than Bert and Bert is still generating as many points a game and I think tonight was the closest he has been to 100% all year.

I would trade Bertuzzi for Penner straight up, even with his big contract, but for right now, this year, if Bert can stay healthy, I think he's a better player as far as winning another Stanley Cup is concerned.

Although I'm expecting Burke will be gone when it's rebuild time.
Burke himself has said something along the lines of only being around for another 2-3 years. Unless we figure out Detroit's longevity secret, our switch to rebuild mode will be about then anyway.

Last night, I thought Bert was our best skater.

He was often the 1st forward back to our end and was often leading the charge forward. He played his defensive role, he played his neutral zone role, he back-checked, he fore-checked, he made some great passes, he cycled well, and he scored a goal. About the only thing he didn't do is bodycheck (actually the only person on the ducks who seems to remember how to do that is Schnider).

The last few games he has looked better and better. He has more confidence and has gained some swagger back when he has the puck. I hope this trend continues.

Burke himself has said something along the lines of only being around for another 2-3 years. Unless we figure out Detroit's longevity secret, our switch to rebuild mode will be about then anyway.

Why only 2-3 years?

Why only 2-3 years?
I should have been more clear. He said he will probably retire in 2-3 years.

Hm. 3 out 4 games with more than 3 goals. And Bertuzzi is 6pt, +6, with GWG.

Jezz = master motivator. Screw John Wooden or Pete Carroll. I'm just awesome like that.

Zomg Bertz is so awful, I guess since we're winning now he deserves all the credit for the turnaround, since he was the one getting all the blame :sarcasm:

But seriously I think it helps he's finally on a set line, maybe that concussion set him back? He's skating well and that line is fun to watch, if Teemu comes back all of a sudden you have a very potent offense.

This is one of those threads that end up biting the thread starter in the ass :D

He certainly has looked like a 4 million dollar player the past few games. Obviously, the 64,000 question is if he can keep it up or not, but nevertheless his play is encouraging. What is really encouraging to me is that his points aren't just random points from playing with Perry and Getz.

Yeah Bertuzzi has looked much better. Not flawless, the Michalek goal was a lot on him. He was running around and behind Michalek as he swooped in to score the goal. But he's looked much better offensively. Even when he had the 5 game point streak, it was mostly leeching off of the twins, but now he's creating stuff as well.

But my favorite part of tonight's game? That he ran the goalie, on an attempted shot. Not that he should run the goalie, but it meant he was going aggressively toward the net, and not just looking pass. He tried to do the little Wayne Gretzky pass from behind the net thing too, for a good scoring chance. Also notice that he was a big part of all 3 regulation goals, getting the goal, the shot that flipped over Grier to Perry, and being the decoy/pass target of Weight before the Semenov deflection. He even threw a couple hits (about time because that's a huge part of why we wanted him).

he has scored much more recently which is a great thing but i think the biggest difference as mentioned has been his playing style. he has been hitting, moving his feet, and actually looking where he is passing much more recently...

The Michalek goal was on the D for letting Joe Thornton just stand there that's one of his favorite areas of the ice. The most Bertuzzi could have done was either take a penalty or hope to tie up the guys stick. He maybe could've done more but i'd blame the dmen for either not chasing Joe out, and not having their sticks in the passing lanes on both sides.

In light of how Bert has played lately, it might be a good thing that we've been "Bertuzzied".

He still has a ways to go to be worth $4m over the course of the year, though.

In light of how Bert has played lately, it might be a good thing that we've been "Bertuzzied".

He still has a ways to go to be worth $4m over the course of the year, though.

Yeah. The OP looks kind of like he put his foot in his mouth.

The Michalek goal was on the D for letting Joe Thornton just stand there that's one of his favorite areas of the ice. The most Bertuzzi could have done was either take a penalty or hope to tie up the guys stick. He maybe could've done more but i'd blame the dmen for either not chasing Joe out, and not having their sticks in the passing lanes on both sides.

Actually, every defense lets him do that. The rule of thumb is to let a player of that skill level sit back there and worry about the players he's passing to. Players like that always find ways to get the puck through you, so you need to make sure you cover the passers. What caused the goal was the 3rd man coming in and, I think it was Bert, being a step behind him.

Yeah. The OP looks kind of like he put his foot in his mouth.

Relax there mr johnny on the spot. :shakehead

Is anything I said not still true? They could go back to the way they sucked ass against phoenix and chicago tomorrow. By the way, I'm still not convinced they're back to form. If it wasn't for a fluke bounce off Semenov, they would have lost last night.

There's still no consistency in their play at times. The Ducks seem to like sleeping through the 1st period, or taking the 2nd period off.

This may be harsh and I'm no coach, but this is where I think Bert's to blame. 1) he was slow/lazy on Pronger's rim around (which normally might have cleared itself but it deflected off a stanchion back into the corner), allowing Thornton to dump it back in (this is where the puck should have been cleared) 2) he doesn't rub out Michalek in the near corner, allowing him to get the puck back to Thornton behind the net 3) after he doesn't rub out Michalek, he lets him curl to the net, a step behind Michalek.

Schneider can't charge at Thornton because he's kept busy by Roenick in the crease. Pronger might have charged Thornton, but the puck was on the far side behind the net.

Michalek was Bertuzzi's man. Now don't get me wrong, Bert isn't solely responsible. Pronger got beat by Michalek in the first place and didn't successfully clear. And he let Thornton wait back there, although that's questionable if he should have done that or not.

None of these things are even that bad, I'm just pointing out stuff that the checking line probably would have done but Bert doesn't.

Actually, every defense lets him do that. The rule of thumb is to let a player of that skill level sit back there and worry about the players he's passing to. Players like that always find ways to get the puck through you, so you need to make sure you cover the passers. What caused the goal was the 3rd man coming in and, I think it was Bert, being a step behind him.
It was Bertuzzi. He contented himself with shoving Michalek ever so gently in the back.

Relax there mr johnny on the spot. :shakehead

Is anything I said not still true? They could go back to the way they sucked ass against phoenix and chicago tomorrow. By the way, I'm still not convinced they're back to form. If it wasn't for a fluke bounce off Semenov, they would have lost last night.

There's still no consistency in their play at times. The Ducks seem to like sleeping through the 1st period, or taking the 2nd period off.

You're right, if it wasn't a fluke bounce off of Semenov they would have lost. Then they would have been 8-3-2 since Niedermayer's return. Oh, good God, what a horrible record.

In other words, one loss would not have proven your point by any stretch of the imagination. You might want to actually look at their recent record before trying to make claims like that. A loss last night would have been a loss, and nothing more.

You're right, if it wasn't a fluke bounce off of Semenov they would have lost. Then they would have been 8-3-2 since Niedermayer's return. Oh, good God, what a horrible record.

In other words, one loss would not have proven your point by any stretch of the imagination. You might want to actually look at their recent record before trying to make claims like that. A loss last night would have been a loss, and nothing more.Um, you did read my first post right? I know there were some "numbers and stuff" in there, so sorry to have to make you count and think about stuff. But my point wasn't about Bertuzzi. But you go ahead and make it that.

The Ducks should hire me to be team motivator.

Actually, every defense lets him do that. The rule of thumb is to let a player of that skill level sit back there and worry about the players he's passing to. Players like that always find ways to get the puck through you, so you need to make sure you cover the passers. What caused the goal was the 3rd man coming in and, I think it was Bert, being a step behind him.
So when a guy is in his favorite area of the ice you should just let him see everything play out without making him move? Not a fan of that, if it was Mike Grier back there, I wouldn't of had a problem.

Well what do you know. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bertuzzied)

What a terrible example they have:


To be hit from behind or the side, in an aggressive and unsuspecting manner.

The mouth piece at the bar finally shut up, when the bouncer Bertuzzied him from behind and threw him out of the club.

Slightly redundant according to their definition.

Yes, I know what UD is and how it works.

Who still wants to get rid off Bertuzzi?

He's physical, he makes plays and he scores goals. Great addition!

Penner who?

As long as he brings it like he has recently, he's a great piece of the team. I think most of us agree Bertuzzi when on > Penner when on. Only problem is he was inconsistent to start the season, and he's also pretty injury prone. I do love that he's starting to shoot though. That's the main problem with Penner vs Bert, Penner would score goals.

As long as he brings it like he has recently, he's a great piece of the team. I think most of us agree Bertuzzi when on > Penner when on. Only problem is he was inconsistent to start the season, and he's also pretty injury prone. I do love that he's starting to shoot though. That's the main problem with Penner vs Bert, Penner would score goals.

So what has Bert been doing the last three games? Manipulating the score cards? Penner and Bertuzzi are really similar in size only. Bert plays with the skill of a shifty winger but with the size of and enforcer. I'm really, really digging his game right now. Penner, when on, is king of the garbage goal. With the right line mates and the proper PP he can rack up a lot of goals. Totally different players and I'm happy with Bertuzzi. Man, never thought I'd ever utter those words.

So when a guy is in his favorite area of the ice you should just let him see everything play out without making him move? Not a fan of that, if it was Mike Grier back there, I wouldn't of had a problem.

It's just the way defense is played against skilled players like that. Your best bet is to usually just let him make the first move. That's the way players are taught.

It's just the way defense is played against skilled players like that. Your best bet is to usually just let him make the first move. That's the way players are taught.

Well I have been getting some very different coaching then (though I played forward). Giving the opponent more time gives him and his teammates more time to make creative plays. Less time & space is usually the way to go.

So what has Bert been doing the last three games? Manipulating the score cards? Penner and Bertuzzi are really similar in size only. Bert plays with the skill of a shifty winger but with the size of and enforcer. I'm really, really digging his game right now. Penner, when on, is king of the garbage goal. With the right line mates and the proper PP he can rack up a lot of goals. Totally different players and I'm happy with Bertuzzi. Man, never thought I'd ever utter those words.
That spin-o-rama to Perry last night was a beauty. What was better was the PP goal where he just said "eff it", and drove straight to the crease and powered the shot off Turco's shoulder.

He looks completely different than only a few weeks ago. Maybe that concussion had a much bigger effect on him initially than we give him credit for.

Can we look back in a month and say that the 1st period against Nashville was the turning point? That Schnieds quote Pronger mentioned in SoF certainly seems like the team themselves know the lack of effort they were playing with.

So what has Bert been doing the last three games? Manipulating the score cards? Penner and Bertuzzi are really similar in size only. Bert plays with the skill of a shifty winger but with the size of and enforcer. I'm really, really digging his game right now. Penner, when on, is king of the garbage goal. With the right line mates and the proper PP he can rack up a lot of goals. Totally different players and I'm happy with Bertuzzi. Man, never thought I'd ever utter those words.

Are you referring to the fact that he's scoring goals now? What I had meant was that back when Bert signed and I compared the two players, Penner scores more goals because he thinks to shoot a little more. Yes a lot of them are garbage goals or point blank jam ins. But for the past like 4 years, Bert's been more of a playmaker.

But that's what I meant when I said "I do love that he's starting to shoot though." Because now Bertuzzi is trying for goals more. Which is good, the his goal last game I think Turco might have been cheating on the pass to Bochenski, but Bertuzzi shot and got a goal out of it.

Well I have been getting some very different coaching then (though I played forward). Giving the opponent more time gives him and his teammates more time to make creative plays. Less time & space is usually the way to go.

Not different, just better :biglaugh:. Giving Thornton all the time behind the net is just like letting a QB sit in the pocket forever. Eventually someone will get open and score. (sorry about the football reference, just excited about the Chargers :yo:)

A healthy Todd Bertuzzi is worth more than 4 million and now you guys are starting to see that first hand.

Don't get why missing Selanne is Bertuzzi's fault.

Don't get why missing Selanne is Bertuzzi's fault.

It's not his fault. That would be a silly thing to believe. So I guess i don't get it either...

Well I have been getting some very different coaching then (though I played forward). Giving the opponent more time gives him and his teammates more time to make creative plays. Less time & space is usually the way to go.

It's different for forwards. Think about when you watch players (defensemen) defend against players like Gretzky. They give him against room because they know if they get too close, and he gets past him, they are out of the play. While, if they give him a few extra feet, and he tries to make a room, they are still well within the play. The same goes for players attacking the zone with speed. Randy Carlyle himself said that when he played against a player like Selanne he gave him extra room.

A defenseman is the last man back. A forward isn't. The reason that goal was scored wasn't because the defense gave Thornton time, but because Bertuzzi lost his check.

There are, of course, exceptions. When a player, no matter how good, fumbles the puck, you attack. But when a great player like Thornton has full control of the puck you, as a defenseman, have to give him a little extra space.

Not different, just better :biglaugh:. Giving Thornton all the time behind the net is just like letting a QB sit in the pocket forever. Eventually someone will get open and score. (sorry about the football reference, just excited about the Chargers :yo:)

Yeah, except it's nothing like that.

It's different for forwards.

No I meant I got the same coaching as d-men, I just didn't play D position too much.

And I have never ever heard any coach tell the d-men to stand back when opponent has the puck behind the goal.

Standing back means more time for the opponent, that gives him the iniative, he can wait for his teammates to take their positions while you just passively wait for his move.

Nope, worst thing you can do is to stand back (certain special situations excluded). Take the initiative and make the opponent react, not the other way around.

The same goes for players attacking the zone with speed. Randy Carlyle himself said that when he played against a player like Selanne he gave him extra room.

Well that's totally different situation and it all depends what kind of attack we're talking about. Selanne attacking the zone with speed but alone against 2 d-man is different than 1 on 1 against Selanne.

No I meant I got the same coaching as d-men, I just didn't play D position too much.

And I have never ever heard any coach tell the d-men to stand back when opponent has the puck behind the goal.

Standing back means more time for the opponent, that gives him the iniative, he can wait for his teammates to take their positions while you just passively wait for his move.

Nope, worst thing you can do is to stand back (certain special situations excluded). Take the initiative and make the opponent react, not the other way around.



Well that's totally different situation and it all depends what kind of attack we're talking about. Selanne attacking the zone with speed but alone against 2 d-man is different than 1 on 1 against Selanne.


You don't actually stand back. You just don't go directly at them. You put your stick out in front to get it in the way of his passing lane and force him to do something. If you go directly at him (as it sounds like you're suggesting) he's going to use the net to block you and you're in trouble, or he'll just make a move around you and, once again, you're out of the play.

Watch any team play against Thornton. I guarantee you see the same thing almost every time. The defenseman stands at the goal line, with his stick out-stretched trying to block any pass.

When the hell did everyone on this team become half assed lazy mother****ers like the 4 million dollar slacker?

Bertuzzi has spread his disgusting disease all over the team roster.


:biglaugh:

I've felt all along that all Bertuzzi needed was solid linemates and some time to get over the concussion. He is playing the best hockey he has played since the Canucks right now.

Bert has really turned around his season and is currently one of the leagues most dangerous forwards.

I'm not sure what was the problem early in the year, whether it was the concussion, back or the bs surrounding the Moore incident, but signing Todd has turned out to be a fantastic move by Burke!:handclap:

Congratulations to Bertuzzi, who is finally making me not look like such a fool for picking him in my pool.

Bert was always one of my favourites, good to see him turn it around and start producing again.

He has cooled down from earlier, but how has his play looked? Is he still playing with Perry and Getz?

He has cooled down from earlier, but how has his play looked? Is he still playing with Perry and Getz?

He's been playing mainly with Selanne since Teemu's return.

He's looked ok most games. There's no question the guy can still play.

Its mainly a chemistry issue with Bert right now. He has made a few great passes lately that suprised his linemates and they were not ready to take advantage of it (which is primarily their fault).

But he is hitting a bit and is a threat.

He's looked ok most games. There's no question the guy can still play.

Its mainly a chemistry issue with Bert right now. He has made a few great passes lately that suprised his linemates and they were not ready to take advantage of it (which is primarily their fault).

But he is hitting a bit and is a threat.

I just like him better playing alongside Getz and Perry. That line just seems to physically dominate the opposition with ease. Plus, Kunitz seems to be a better fit with Selanne than Bertuzzi does anyways.

He's looked ok most games. There's no question the guy can still play.

Its mainly a chemistry issue with Bert right now. He has made a few great passes lately that suprised his linemates and they were not ready to take advantage of it (which is primarily their fault).

But he is hitting a bit and is a threat.
I don't agree with that at all. He's gone back to being lazy and blind. Stupid surprising extrahard passes and no hitting.

I hate this guy.

just for the good karma :)

also, can you say this team has been "Unweighted"?

just for the good karma :)

also, can you say this team has been "Unweighted"?
Yea... Bertuzzied and Unweighted, sounds good to me.

Bert - wake up !