J. P. Dumont

I think he would be a great fit w/ Dubinksy and is exactly the type of player that the Rangers need. He can score, has size, has some playoff experience (27 pts in 36 games), and is a decent playmaker. He is a UFA at season's end and will only be 30. So we could even re-sign him if we wanted to, to help ease losing Straka or Shanny or both at season's end.

So basically its a vet who isn't too old and probably won't come back to Nashville next year. Nashville probably won't make the playoffs and probably will be looking to unload.

Would you want him? What do you think it would take to land him?

Prucha, Liffiton and a 2nd?
Cally, and a first?
Prucha, Hossa, Liffiton/Baranka and a 3rd?
Dawes and Cally and a 2nd?

I don't think he will be extremely expensive, but you never know.

I would trade him for Hossa... 52 goals in the last 2 1/2 years, makes $2.5 Mill this year...And another Islander 1st rounder that never played for them.

I would trade him for Hossa... 52 goals in the last 2 1/2 years, makes $2.5 Mill this year...And another Islander 1st rounder that never played for them.

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I would trade him for Hossa... 52 goals in the last 2 1/2 years, makes $2.5 Mill this year...And another Islander 1st rounder that never played for them.

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nice, you laughing at a trade proposal


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i would love it if the rangers grabbed him....except he would play on the second line because he played in buffalo so he and drury know eachother...allowing avery to play on the third line.......

jagr-gomez-straka
shanahan-drury-dumont
avery-dubinsky-prucha
hossa-betts-callahan

that is a stacked offensive unit on paper....plus dumont has played very well in the playoffs in his career from what i remember

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8464957&tab=crst

there are dumonts stats.....he would be perfect

I would trade him for Hossa... 52 goals in the last 2 1/2 years, makes $2.5 Mill this year...And another Islander 1st rounder that never played for them.

Not every pick can work out like Lundmark or Jessiman...:sarcasm:

I like his game as well. I would give up any combination of players including Prucha, Dawes, Callahan, Hossa, and picks not including a 1st...

Not every pick can work out like Lundmark or Jessiman...:sarcasm:

haha, were not saying the islanders picks dont work out, were saying the isles trade em away before they become good! *cough* spezza louongo Jokinen chara *cough*

He could be a fit.

i would love it if the rangers grabbed him....except he would play on the second line because he played in buffalo so he and drury know eachother...allowing avery to play on the third line.......

jagr-gomez-straka
shanahan-drury-dumont
avery-dubinsky-prucha
hossa-betts-callahan

that is a stacked offensive unit on paper....plus dumont has played very well in the playoffs in his career from what i remember

Did he and Drury play on the same line?


Also who would you have traded as you still have Prucha, hossa and cally in that lineup?

I like his game as well. I would give up any combination of players including Prucha, Dawes, Callahan, Hossa, and picks not including a 1st...

You guys are seriously overrating Dumont. This is a guy that Buffalo let walk away and you want to give Prucha, Callahan or Dawes up for him??? I don't like it at all.

You guys are seriously overrating Dumont. This is a guy that Buffalo let walk away and you want to give Prucha, Callahan or Dawes up for him??? I don't like it at all.

What has Prucha, Callahan, or Dawes done for us lately? Actually what has Cally or Dawes done at all so far period? To go for a cup run you have to make some trades and give up some younger players. The 94 team did it and nobody is really complaining about who we gave up now.

Plus its not like these players are going to turn into star players, and we have a deep prospect pool. Dumont would be a solid 3rd liner and an upgrade to any of those three players.

Plus its not like these players are going to turn into star players, and we have a deep prospect pool. Dumont would be a solid 3rd liner and an upgrade to any of those three players.

The difference is this team is not the 1994 team. We are 0-4-1 against the West and 1-3 vs. Ottawa this season. That doesn't bode well. We are not playing well against the best competition that the league has to offer.

I wasn't happy with trading Doug Weight for Esa Tikkanen in 1993 or Tony Amonte for Matteau and Noonan in 1994 but in retrospect you cannot complain about those trades because we ended up winning the Cup in '94 but trades like that led to the Rangers to the barren years of 1997-2004. Don't be short sighted and forget that we are two years removed from the longest stretch of postseason-less hockey in franchise history.

I don't think the Rangers will panic. I think if there is someone that they can add who will improve the team they will do so but trading Prucha, Cally or Dawes right now makes no sense. This team is offensively challenged now, what will happen when Jagr, Straka and Shanny are gone? Who is going to step up and move onto the first two lines if we don't have these young guys around? I think trading for a guy like Dumont who is going to be a UFA after the season anyway makes no sense right now.

The difference is this team is not the 1994 team. We are 0-4-1 against the West and 1-3 vs. Ottawa this season. That doesn't bode well. We are not playing well against the best competition that the league has to offer.

I wasn't happy with trading Doug Weight for Esa Tikkanen in 1993 or Tony Amonte for Matteau and Noonan in 1994 but in retrospect you cannot complain about those trades because we ended up winning the Cup in '94 but trades like that led to the Rangers to the barren years of 1997-2004. Don't be short sighted and forget that we are two years removed from the longest stretch of postseason-less hockey in franchise history.

I don't think the Rangers will panic. I think if there is someone that they can add who will improve the team they will do so but trading Prucha, Cally or Dawes right now makes no sense. This team is offensively challenged now, what will happen when Jagr, Straka and Shanny are gone? Who is going to step up and move onto the first two lines if we don't have these young guys around? I think trading for a guy like Dumont who is going to be a UFA after the season anyway makes no sense right now.


Do you honestly think that Prucha, Dawes, or Cally will carry this team? B/c I don't whatsoever. I think that they are role players at best. I can't believe you think that the Rangers are going to be good w/ these players on the first and second lines. Their will be a couple years of bottom feeding after Straka and Shanny and Jagr are gone unless we make some big signings/trades. We don't have any offensive can't miss star prospects (Chery is closest thing) but he will probably be 3-4 years away from making a huge impact. The fact is the rangers while having good prospects don't have any prospects that will blow you away. They are a bunch of 3rd line prospects w/ a couple of borderline 1st and 2nd liners. This will be the best team the Rangers field in the next 3 yrs. We should go for it now and dumont will be a big upgrade over Pruchs, Cally or Hossa.

Do you honestly think that Prucha, Dawes, or Cally will carry this team? B/c I don't whatsoever. I think that they are role players at best. I can't believe you think that the Rangers are going to be good w/ these players on the first and second lines. Their will be a couple years of bottom feeding after Straka and Shanny and Jagr are gone unless we make some big signings/trades. We don't have any offensive can't miss star prospects (Chery is closest thing) but he will probably be 3-4 years away from making a huge impact. The fact is the rangers while having good prospects don't have any prospects that will blow you away. They are a bunch of 3rd line prospects w/ a couple of borderline 1st and 2nd liners. This will be the best team the Rangers field in the next 3 yrs. We should go for it now and dumont will be a big upgrade over Pruchs, Cally or Hossa.

I agree with most of this. Everyone talks about how deep our prospect pool is, and how Bourrett or Moore should be playing in the NHL, etc, but I'm not seeing it. I don't think any of our prospects are that good. Like the above post says, they're a bunch of 3rd liners.

I agree with most of this. Everyone talks about how deep our prospect pool is, and how Bourrett or Moore should be playing in the NHL, etc, but I'm not seeing it. I don't think any of our prospects are that good. Like the above post says, they're a bunch of 3rd liners.

Bourret and Anisimov, at least, reasonably project as top-6 players.

Prucha, Dawes, and Cally have combined for 10 goals and 7 assists in 81 games this season. And half of those goals have come from Dawes, who offers zilch on the defensive end. There are a hundred players in the NHL who can give you more than he does.

I'm not saying guys like Dawes, Prucha and Callahan are going to carry us for the next ten years but trading them off for underachievers like Dumont makes no sense either. If you are going to trade future 20 goal scorers for a player you may as well try to get someone who can play on the first or second line. Dumont is not a top six forward is all I'm saying.

I'm not saying guys like Dawes, Prucha and Callahan are going to carry us for the next ten years but trading them off for underachievers like Dumont makes no sense either. If you are going to trade future 20 goal scorers for a player you may as well try to get someone who can play on the first or second line. Dumont is not a top six forward is all I'm saying.

What makes you think Cally and Dawes are 20 goal scorers? Cally has 1 goal this year so far, Dawes is invisible most games, and Prucha w/o Jagr really hasn't scored much either. Also they are all small. This team needs to add some size and grit to it. Dumont isn't the biggest guy but he is 6'1" 205lbs. (which by the way is bigger than all three of those players). I think you are underrating Dumont and overrating Calley, Dawes, and Prucha. Although people overrating Rangers on this board is understandable since it is a Rangers board, I try not too.

What makes you think Cally and Dawes are 20 goal scorers? Cally has 1 goal this year so far, Dawes is invisible most games, and Prucha w/o Jagr really hasn't scored much either. Also they are all small. This team needs to add some size and grit to it. Dumont isn't the biggest guy but he is 6'1" 205lbs. (which by the way is bigger than all three of those players). I think you are underrating Dumont and overrating Calley, Dawes, and Prucha. Although people overrating Rangers on this board is understandable since it is a Rangers board, I try not too.

I'm not going to argue with what you're saying about Dawes and Callahan, but Prucha at least is a proven commodity. He's been struggling this year, obviously, but until the past two weeks everyone else has been as well. What I'm saying has nothing to do with the trade proposals, just taking a issue a bit with having Prucha lumped in with Cally and Dawes.

I'm not going to argue with what you're saying about Dawes and Callahan, but Prucha at least is a proven commodity. He's been struggling this year, obviously, but until the past two weeks everyone else has been as well. What I'm saying has nothing to do with the trade proposals, just taking a issue a bit with having Prucha lumped in with Cally and Dawes.

He's proven w/ Jagr on the PP thats it. He isn't anything at ES or w/o Jagr.

And also you have to shed cap. Prucha is wasting $1.6 mil. So he is the logical fit. Also teams want better and more proven players so Pruchas trade value is more than Cally or Dawes, or Hossa so you wouldn't have to give up more players or higher picks. People really have to stop the love affair w/ Prucha or certain players and just think about the actual trade itself and would it benefit both teams.

He's proven w/ Jagr on the PP thats it. He isn't anything at ES or w/o Jagr.

The majority of his career goals have been ES. And he's scored on the PP when Jagr wasn't out there. Call him a PP specialist maybe, but he's not dependent on Jagr.

And also you have to shed cap. Prucha is wasting $1.6 mil. So he is the logical fit. Also teams want better and more proven players so Pruchas trade value is more than Cally or Dawes, or Hossa so you wouldn't have to give up more players or higher picks. People really have to stop the love affair w/ Prucha or certain players and just think about the actual trade itself and would it benefit both teams.

Not disagreeing with you. Again, I just take issue with people saying Prucha isn't established.

Let's hope Prucha doesn't become Joffrey Lupul.

I think we just disagree to what established means. I don't consider 2 good seasons as established. 2 amazing seasons maybe I would consider, especially if he was a big time prospect (which he is not). But he has no consistnancy at all.

1st year: 30-17-47
2nd year: 22-18-40
This year his projections are 8-12-21

how is this established. Every year he has regressed. He is too small, and just doesn't do anything on his own. He needs to play w/ superstars to be effective. Yes a majority of his goals are at even Strenght but its a tight, tight margin. 30 ES and 26PP. So it's not like he is exactly lighting it up ES.

Since Straka is out, maybe indefinately, I really really want Dumont. He is the type of player the team is missing.

Not disagreeing with you. Again, I just take issue with people saying Prucha isn't established.

Let's hope Prucha doesn't become Joffrey Lupul.

Are you suggesting Malik will take Prucha out? :sarcasm:

Meh.

no thanks.

Since Straka is out, maybe indefinately, I really really want Dumont. He is the type of player the team is missing.

he would be a good fit on the team.......its time to get something going....or they will be too far back to make a move

Not every pick can work out like Lundmark or Jessiman...:sarcasm:

You're right, we should have traded them away for Ryan Smith or Alexei Yashin

You guys are seriously overrating Dumont. This is a guy that Buffalo let walk away and you want to give Prucha, Callahan or Dawes up for him??? I don't like it at all.

They only let him walk because they couldn't fit him in under the cap last year. A lot of younger RFA's like Connolly and Miller needed big raises and there just wasn't room for him.

I've always been a fan of his game. I kind of thought when he was younger that he might put up bigger numbers than he has because he has nasty hands. He probably won't ever be a forty goal scorer if he hasn't done it by his age. He's a useful guy though. He throws his body around and will score 25 goals and 50-60 points.

Who would I give up for him? As much as I love Prucha I might trade him for Dumont if the chance was there. Prucha plays as hard as anyone and is as tough as anyone in the league but the pruduction hasn't been there. And I never say this about small players because I think it's mostly a myth but I wouldn't be surprised to see him start to get injured on a regular basis. How many times can you keep getting hit like he does without getting hurt? He gets absolutely rocked nearly every game. Sure he bounces back up but one time he might not.

I would trade someone like Moore for Dumont for sure.

They only let him walk because they couldn't fit him in under the cap last year. A lot of younger RFA's like Connolly and Miller needed big raises and there just wasn't room for him.

I've always been a fan of his game. I kind of thought when he was younger that he might put up bigger numbers than he has because he has nasty hands. He probably won't ever be a forty goal scorer if he hasn't done it by his age. He's a useful guy though. He throws his body around and will score 25 goals and 50-60 points.

Who would I give up for him? As much as I love Prucha I might trade him for Dumont if the chance was there. Prucha plays as hard as anyone and is as tough as anyone in the league but the pruduction hasn't been there. And I never say this about small players because I think it's mostly a myth but I wouldn't be surprised to see him start to get injured on a regular basis. How many times can you keep getting hit like he does without getting hurt? He gets absolutely rocked nearly every game. Sure he bounces back up but one time he might not.

I would trade someone like Moore for Dumont for sure.

agreed, i can tell you that most sabres fans were upset to see dumont go because he was a leader and a clutch player who played hard every game.....no room under the cap though for them which ultimately hurt the chances

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/nas080108.html

hmm i hope Sather takes a stab at Dumont. Hed help our PP.

Dumont is rumored to be headed to Washington along with Zidlicky, Suter, and 2 first-rounders for Ovechkin and Kolzig.

I don't know how Sather can beat an offer like that. :sarcasm:

Dumont is rumored to be headed to Washington along with Zidlicky, Suter, and 2 first-rounders for Ovechkin and Kolzig.

I don't know how Sather can beat an offer like that. :sarcasm:

Mara, Malik, Prucha, and Dawes....;)

Dumont is rumored to be headed to Washington along with Zidlicky, Suter, and 2 first-rounders for Ovechkin and Kolzig.

I don't know how Sather can beat an offer like that. :sarcasm:

That's terrible. Dumont is UFA and Zidlicky has 1 year left. How is that even worth considering for Washington.

If I'm Washington, I'm asking for Weber, Dumont, Zidlicky, 2 first rounders, and Radulov (or replace with Erat + 2 2nd rounders)

Kolzig is no slouch either so the original amount wasn't even enough for AO. If they eff up and the are 1 week away from the offer sheet deadline, then maybe they take less but it's early, teams are still in the playoff picture. He's worth a lot more.

if that is all it would take to get AO and kolzig, then i would give up

tyutin
prucha
dubinsky
mara

for AO, without any second thoughts

nice, you laughing at a trade proposal


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Not every pick can work out like Lundmark or Jessiman...:sarcasm:

I'm just thankful we haven't traded Lundqvist and Cherepanov for a pair of two-bit hacks like Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.

Good to be a Ranger fan.

You're right, we should have traded them away for Ryan Smith or Alexei Yashin

:insert random Nelson Muntz laugh:

if that is all it would take to get AO and kolzig, then i would give up

tyutin
prucha
dubinsky
mara

for AO, without any second thoughts

:shakehead Dumont, Zidlicky, Suter, and 2 first-rounders >>> Tyutin, Prucha, Dubinksy, Mara.

then add a first, but that would all be for only AO while the other would be for AO and kolzig