Ducks trade Shane Hnidy and a 6th rounder in 2008 to Boston for Brandon Bochenski [Archive]

snarktacular

01-02-2008, 07:37 PM

Some random thoughts:
- It frees up all of 750k for Perry. Meaning there's like 3.1 million for Perry now. In other words, it does nothing.
- He seems like a goal scorer. So in that sense he could be a good fit on the 2nd line, to go with Weight the passer and Kunitz the forechecker/dirty goal guy.
- I know nothing about him or how he plays, but TSN mentions him being poor defensively. Meaning he's not going to be playing with Bertuzzi, and probably not with Perry either. I really do expect Ryan to be sent down.
- He seems to be a pretty good AHL scorer. So if worst comes to worst, we have some offensive help for Portland. Which the team needs. Only problem is he's waiver eligible, it would suck to lose him and then have essentially given away Hnidy and a pick for nothing.
- In a sense it's kind of sad the defense lost most of it's physicality. O'Donnell is tough, but he's not a big hitter. Pronger is dirty, but he doesn't hit much either anymore. But Huskins is just a downright better defenseman than Hnidy, so that's how it goes.
- It's mildly amusing that Burke talked about how he didn't want to trade Schneider because he thought it wouldn't be good to trade someone who you just signed. But he ends up doing it anyway with Hnidy.
- Is it me or does Burke deal with the same teams over and over again. Boston thrice (Chistov, Saunders/Skinner, Hnidy), Vancouver twice (Carney, Shannon), Columbus a billion times (Fedorov, Konopka/Glencross, Rome/Wilson). I'm sure there's a couple others I'm forgetting.

edit (2 more random thoughts)
- What is it with Burke and making moves so that the player can't play? Weight was traded for like an hour before the next game, and too late for Scotty to play. Bochenski won't make it to Anaheim in time to play tonight.
- Another odd thing about the trade, hidden in the Ducks press release, is that the Ducks relinquished the right to swap 4th round picks with Boston (from Chistov). Although Boston and Anaheim are at about the same spot in draft order as of tonight so that's not going to make much of a difference.

High Glove

01-02-2008, 07:38 PM

Does Shane Hnidy have a cool nickname?

Healthy Scratch.

Dirk316

01-02-2008, 07:51 PM

Makes no sense Hnidy was underrated. Bochenski is a small, soft player. Hopefully he will produce some points otherwise i hope he goes straight to the minors.

ndhockey21

01-02-2008, 08:12 PM

Bochenski isn't small, he is 6'1 or 6'2.

kenabnrmal

01-02-2008, 08:35 PM

Omg Lol ***

Wow, post of the year...

On the other hand and completely off-topic, obobo's become one of the better posters on this board. Not having been able to watch games up until recently, I've really relied on informative, intelligent posts to keep me in the loop. He comes through consistently.

I agree, it doesn't do a whole lot to help the Perry situation, but it does SOMETHING. Burke found another way to increase cap space and acquire a guy that could be useful for the team. He's obviously got scoring ability, and thats something that the Ducks have been sorely lacking from their depth forwards. No one outside of the usual suspects is even close to a consistent threat to score. Bochenski seems like he'd be fairly versatile, and also an option to send to the minors, so he's not a bad asset.

I liked Hindy to an extent, but the move doesn't bother me. Pronger, Beauchemin, and O'Donnell are all capable of playing physical hockey, and neither Scotty nor Schneider are scared. I don't worry too much about the toughness back there.

I hope it's the kick in the rear Bochenski needs to start scoring. The Ducks could definitely use his touch.

Spankatola Jamnuts

01-02-2008, 08:43 PM

This is Brandon's...4th? 5th? organization? I think we're the latest in a lengthening line hoping that this is the kick he needs to remember how to convert Spezza's passes.

Sandman33

01-02-2008, 08:45 PM

Static

01-02-2008, 08:56 PM

Tfighter

01-02-2008, 08:59 PM

For some reason, i think of Bochenski as Jason King, the player we traded for last year. Both are goal scorers, but lack the all-around game to stay in the lineup. I agree with iLau, this is a nothing for nothing trade. Hope Burke proves me wrong.

Sandman33

01-02-2008, 09:00 PM

[QUOTE=Sandman33;11860110]

He traded a healthy scratch and a late pick for money next year and a shot in the dark, and that shot in the dark has better hands than any other scrub brought in so far this year.

This trade will end up being a 6th for 750K next year. Nothing to cry over.

I agree. And I have been a HUGE supporter all season. But Im tired of seeing nothing moves or loss moves.

iLau

01-02-2008, 09:06 PM

- Is it me or does Burke deal with the same teams over and over again. Boston thrice (Chistov, Saunders/Skinner, Hnidy), Vancouver twice (Carney, Shannon), Columbus a billion times (Fedorov, Konopka/Glencross, Rome/Wilson). I'm sure there's a couple others I'm forgetting.

This thought actually crossed my mind as well. It seems that Burke relies a lot on people he is used to deal with and trusts, I don't think this is necessarily a good thing because it limits our options.

canuckulous

01-02-2008, 09:06 PM

"Hnightmare"

So glad I took a peek over on this board. :biglaugh:

kenabnrmal

01-02-2008, 09:06 PM

This is Brandon's...4th? 5th? organization? I think we're the latest in a lengthening line hoping that this is the kick he needs to remember how to convert Spezza's passes.

Sure, the chances are far greater that he finishes the season with a total of NHL goal. But, there have been instances of skilled players working their way through quite a few teams before bringing it all together. A guy like Dan Cleary comes to mind. Probably not a real applicable example, but I'm sure there are a few others.

The price isn't high, may as well throw the dice, and inch closer to signing Perry.

kenabnrmal

01-02-2008, 09:09 PM

Mooseduck

01-02-2008, 09:11 PM

Good move overall for the Ducks.

Brandon has a good shot, nothing else. And if he needs more money, he can print it up himself !! Another example of Burke "good character" player - lol.

Brandon isn't the big story in this move. Ducks are better off going forward. :)

nmbr_24

01-02-2008, 09:11 PM

FYI-Bochenski came to the Bruins last year and scored 11 goals in 31 games, during the off season he put on some weight, and it was muscle, not fat, but it hindered his game and he was a healthy scratch for most of the first quarter of the season. When he did start playing, he never got going, and he did have chances.
IMHO he is not as bad defensively as some people will tell you and I expect him to put up some points if he gets a decent amount of playing time, BUT, he seems to go through a period where he seems like he could be a real good goal scorer, then nothing, he just stops scoring, 11 goals in his first 30 games with the Bruins, 0 in the next 30, he went through this with Ottawa as well.
He seems like a decent enough guy, never heard anything about him complaining about his ice time, maybe he will turn it around with the Ducks.

McDonald19

01-02-2008, 09:31 PM

Burke said he was going to make one more deal after Christmas and then turn his attention to signing Perry long term. I assume this is that deal.

Another 750,000 has been freed up to put towards Perry's deal.

Bochenski's not on contract for next season and chances are he will not get a qualifying offer unless he tears it up the rest of this season.

I liked Hnidy as our 6th/7th d-man but someone's contract had to go. Let's just hope our D-men stay healthy so we don't have to see DiPenta.

Jezz*

01-02-2008, 09:38 PM

- In a sense it's kind of sad the defense lost most of it's physicality. O'Donnell is tough, but he's not a big hitter. Pronger is dirty, but he doesn't hit much either anymore. But Huskins is just a downright better defenseman than Hnidy, so that's how it goes.

A little OT, but O'Brien is not doing too badly in Tampa, only a -1 considering they've had no goalie all yr long. 4g, 11a. His PIMS are huge. Chris Pronger-esque. But I think most of it is from dropping the gloves instead of flying elbows.

Talentless Practise

01-02-2008, 10:08 PM

I'm thinking all this wheeling and dealing has to have an effect on team chemistry.

Duckstudd269

01-02-2008, 10:35 PM

I don't see why people are bashing this trade. Everyone knew a Dman was going to be traded, the only better option would have been Dipenta, but Hindy gone is no big loss. We free up cap space and we get a shot in the dark at a finisher, something this team is lacking. Unless Ryan steps it up, he's going to be sent back down, so maybe Bo gets the spot. The only big question this leaves me with is where sutherby ends up? Anyone got any any guesses to what this lineup looks like when everyone is healthy? Here's my guess:

Bertuzzi-Getzlaf-Perry
Kunitz-Weight-Bo/Sutherby/Ryan
Moen-Pahlsson-R.Niedermayer
Parros-Marchant-May/Sutherby

I think Ryan is going to be sent down and the team will try Bochenski in his spot. If it works the top two lines are set and Sutherby goes to to the 4th line. If it doesn't work out you will see these lines:
Sutherby-Getzlaf-Perry
Kunitz-Weight-Bertuzzi
Moen-Pahlsson-R.Niedermayer
Parros-Marchant-Bo/May

Miller will be sent down too.

Theridion

01-02-2008, 10:49 PM

I'm thinking all this wheeling and dealing has to have an effect on team chemistry.

Based on their current play... that's a good thing, right? :sarcasm:

I don't mind sucking, I would just rather see Ryan/Sutherby/Bo sucking it up and not have weight/bert on this team. I hope Bo gets a chance on the top two lines... god that's so much wishful thinking.... going back to reality now.

karacter

01-02-2008, 11:00 PM

i like the move...we don't really need hnidy and if we could get bochenski to score even like 15 goals the 2nd help it would be a trememdous help to the team. I mean hell he averaged practically 2 pt/game in the minors, he can't be a .60 point producer for half of a season?

edit: ok if ryan carter and bobby ryan play like they did tonight we don't need him. Bobby was great tonight and Carter played awesome, he had so many quality smart plays, and played with great energy and speed.

snarktacular

01-02-2008, 11:08 PM

Thanks for the props, Ken. I'm glad that I'm providing something positive. I don't mind providing my opinion, but I'm not sure how much you should really trust the accuracy of said opinions if you don't get to see the team enough to make your own opinions. Trust my info at your own risk.

FYI-Bochenski came to the Bruins last year and scored 11 goals in 31 games, during the off season he put on some weight, and it was muscle, not fat, but it hindered his game and he was a healthy scratch for most of the first quarter of the season. When he did start playing, he never got going, and he did have chances.
IMHO he is not as bad defensively as some people will tell you and I expect him to put up some points if he gets a decent amount of playing time, BUT, he seems to go through a period where he seems like he could be a real good goal scorer, then nothing, he just stops scoring, 11 goals in his first 30 games with the Bruins, 0 in the next 30, he went through this with Ottawa as well.
He seems like a decent enough guy, never heard anything about him complaining about his ice time, maybe he will turn it around with the Ducks.
Since you're a Boston fan, who did Bochenski play with for the productive 30 games? Did his linemates change at all for the next 30 with 0 goals? What kind of players would you say would be his ideal linemates? Is he the floating type of goal scorer that skates into the slot and one-times a pass? Or does he prefer to handle the puck more? Is he a cycler or a puck possession kind of guy?

A little OT, but O'Brien is not doing too badly in Tampa, only a -1 considering they've had no goalie all yr long. 4g, 11a. His PIMS are huge. Chris Pronger-esque. But I think most of it is from dropping the gloves instead of flying elbows.
Yeah, it sounds like the Tampa fans are pretty high on O'Brien. I'm a big fan of a veteran defenseman mentoring a young guy, just like how Niedermayer helped Beauchemin. It's cheap, it's good for continuity, and the young defenseman often produces much better, faster. Too bad O'Brien wasn't kept to learn from Pronger. But alas, defensemen named Shane tend to get moved off the Ducks quickly.

This thought actually crossed my mind as well. It seems that Burke relies a lot on people he is used to deal with and trusts, I don't think this is necessarily a good thing because it limits our options.
Well if these few friends consistently offer better value, then it's not a big deal. But yeah, I have the same concerns. I feel like GMs need to have good relations with the other GMs, just to keep trade options open. If you're like Lowe and piss off 2 GMs (at least), now you've got fewer options when you want to make a move.

Which is why I wonder if it's better to not fleece other GMs in a trade. It might make that GM hesitant to deal with you again. Like if some other GM was absolutely insane and offered you say Crosby for Hnidy, you might be better off long term to voluntarily offer more in return. In other words, the best trades are actually ones close to fair value rather than clear wins.

Number13

01-03-2008, 12:28 AM

Could this be at all related to a Selanne return sometime this month?

Theridion

01-03-2008, 01:34 AM

nothing about this deal has anything to do with selanne coming back... at least I don't see it.

Its early January and I think Selanne is goina RIP.

MOENing

01-03-2008, 01:45 AM

nothing about this deal has anything to do with selanne coming back... at least I don't see it.

Its early January and I think Selanne is goina RIP.

I'm gonna have to agree with you on that.

lux_interior

01-03-2008, 03:38 AM

Yay for Cap Space!

Ducksforcup

01-03-2008, 04:48 AM

Some random aspect of the trade.

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/ducks-season-pahlsson-1953183-right-games
The Ducks also relinquished their right to exchange fourth-round picks with Boston in this year's draft, a luxury they had obtained in a 2006 trade that sent left wing Stanislav Chistov to the Bruins.

Theridion

01-03-2008, 05:14 AM

Some random aspect of the trade.

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/ducks-season-pahlsson-1953183-right-games

That is odd. I mean, you are having trade discussions... how do you even propose that?

"Yeah, well, everything looks good, we're obviously close on this deal... but hey, do you remember that 4th round pick exchange? How about we cancel that? Yeah, then it would be doable on our end."

nmbr_24

01-03-2008, 06:36 AM

Since you're a Boston fan, who did Bochenski play with for the productive 30 games? Did his linemates change at all for the next 30 with 0 goals? What kind of players would you say would be his ideal linemates? Is he the floating type of goal scorer that skates into the slot and one-times a pass? Or does he prefer to handle the puck more? Is he a cycler or a puck possession kind of guy?

He played with Phil Kessel some of the time when he was scoring, he got that chance this year as well, he also played with Marc Savard this year, so he did play with offensively skilled players while he wasn't scoring, but he didn't have steady linemates while he was on the Bruins, his longest stint was probably with Kessel and Chistov for about 15 games if my memory is correct.

Chone

01-03-2008, 12:31 PM

I just hope he doesn't take Bobby Ryan's spot, but I highly doubt he will. I like Bobby Ryan more each time I see him. Last night I think may have been his best overall game even if he had no points to show for it. I don't think Burke got him to give him a permanent spot right from the start though, let alone on the second line. It was a salary dump, but then again, I hope he sees some ice time, because it sounds like there is a chance he isn't a completely worthless player.

TheJoeMan

01-03-2008, 02:08 PM

Bochenski is Sutherby 2.0. He may get a shot at one of the top lines but he more than likely will see 4th line time. In fact, I hope he takes Sutherby's spot on the fourth line. Dude skates with a lot of hustle but never to the spot he needs to be. If Bochenski can at least improve our forecheck on the 4th line I'll be happy. I never really have expectations for players acquired for nothing but you always hope he can bring something. But the skepticism in me says he'll join the revolving door on the fourth like that has seen the likes of King, Mowers, May, Platt, Wirtanen, Parros, Miller, Carter and Sutherby all pass through this year. The only fourth liner who has ever really had his spot nailed down is Marchant and he was even scratched for a game.

ericnut

01-03-2008, 02:29 PM

[QUOTE=kenabnrmal;11859951]Wow, post of the year...QUOTE]

THANKS!:sarcasm:

Im just tired of seeing Burke grab NOTHING. "OH it looks like Sutherby's not gonna pan out after all so lets go get another BUSTED high draft pick that didnt pan out." Maybe THIS one will catch his stride here with us!

Im still upset that we have nothing to show for Bryzgalov actually. I tried to be upbeat about Bertuzzi but he's just a giant overpaid TURD at this point. Bryz is gone, Andy mac is GONE and our team is barely over 500 and might not make the playoffs.:rant:

I know Im not the only one that is saying W T F!

What did you expect from Sutherby? Honestly, he looked great last night. This trade makes sense for both teams. We clear up space for next season and add scoring depth. Bryzgalov was in the past... can't trade a player for fair value if there isn't any takers. And for Bertuzzi, he is starting to pick up his game. In the last 5 games he has 5 points.

Andy McDonald needed to go, he did not fit into our style of play this year and there isn't a chance he would next year. Burke is not going to pay him that kind of money to be a 2nd line center who isn't producing.

WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. 5-2-1 since Niedermayer returned, now wait until Selanne returns... Jan 23 against the Red Wings.

Dirk316

01-03-2008, 03:12 PM

Pretty sure Bochenski will be going to the minors

Chone

01-03-2008, 03:28 PM

Pretty sure Bochenski will be going to the minors

Sutherby isn't on the books for next year is he?

Tfighter

01-03-2008, 03:31 PM

[QUOTE=Sandman33;11860110]

What did you expect from Sutherby? Honestly, he looked great last night. This trade makes sense for both teams. We clear up space for next season and add scoring depth. Bryzgalov was in the past... can't trade a player for fair value if there isn't any takers. And for Bertuzzi, he is starting to pick up his game. In the last 5 games he has 5 points.

Andy McDonald needed to go, he did not fit into our style of play this year and there isn't a chance he would next year. Burke is not going to pay him that kind of money to be a 2nd line center who isn't producing.

WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. 5-2-1 since Niedermayer returned, now wait until Selanne returns... Jan 23 against the Red Wings.

Eric Nut, u were right about the Andy mac trade not too long ago. If Selanne returns that will be awesome!

snarktacular

01-03-2008, 03:42 PM

Pretty sure Bochenski will be going to the minors
Only problem is Bochenski's waiver eligible. Would he be claimed?

TheJoeMan

01-03-2008, 03:46 PM

Pretty sure Bochenski will be going to the minors

Why would you trade for a player that's an impending UFA just to send him to the minors? Otherwise Burkie would have just gotten a draft pick for Hnidy. The fact that he had to send a draft pick Boston's way tells me he intends Bochenski to be in the lineup. He'll be in the lineup tomorrow for sure but whether he sticks is up to him.

Dirk316

01-03-2008, 04:14 PM

Why would you trade for a player that's an impending UFA just to send him to the minors? Otherwise Burkie would have just gotten a draft pick for Hnidy. The fact that he had to send a draft pick Boston's way tells me he intends Bochenski to be in the lineup. He'll be in the lineup tomorrow for sure but whether he sticks is up to him.

Depth in Portland, getting Hnidy salary off for next year. He may get in a game but most likely unless he amazes he will be sent down.

Chone

01-03-2008, 04:35 PM

snarktacular

01-03-2008, 06:26 PM

I think Bochenski's an RFA, not a UFA. Which actually is worse, meaning we'd need cap space to re-sign him (even qualifying him takes up cap space). Unless they just let him go as an un-qualified UFA.

Diggy

01-03-2008, 06:41 PM

I do not think acquiring Bochenski had anything to do with trying to sign Perry, for one thing it just does not provide enough tagging room to do it.

We traded Hnightmare because we had 1 too many D that we could not send to the minors, it is as simple as that. With the secondary effect of acquiring a player, Bochenski, that directly puts a fire under Ryan's ass to work extra hard to stay up.

This trade puts Carlyle in a good position as a coach, he now has an extra forward to place in the line up which enables him to reduce ice time to non-performing forwards as punishment for not playing a hard disciplined game (which is the only real method a coach has to punish players).

LondonKnightsCrew

01-03-2008, 06:48 PM

Dirk316

01-03-2008, 07:36 PM

Why cant i read LondonKinghts posts?

Ducks

01-03-2008, 07:51 PM

I like this trade mainly because we get rid of Hnidy:handclap:

LondonKnightsCrew

01-03-2008, 08:12 PM

I like this trade mainly because we get rid of Hnidy:handclap:

I still think Hnidy was effective as a 6th dman.
Joey Dipenta has been smiling ever since this deal went down!:naughty:

Pwnasaurus

01-03-2008, 09:17 PM

wait until Selanne returns... Jan 23 against the Red Wings.

But we've dealt his transition speed center.

Duckstudd269

01-03-2008, 09:35 PM

Why cant i read LondonKinghts posts?

He's probably pushed the ignore button. That's a guess though.

Dirk316

01-03-2008, 10:25 PM

He's probably pushed the ignore button. That's a guess though.

Wouldn't that mean he couldn't see my post's not the other way around.
:biglaugh:

Duckstudd269

01-04-2008, 02:50 AM

Wouldn't that mean he couldn't see my post's not the other way around.
:biglaugh:

That's what I thought, but unless you've hit the ignore button yourself there really isn't another explanation. It's really not that funny...

Theridion

01-04-2008, 02:56 AM

But we've dealt his transition speed center.

Well, moving Macdonald still makes sense, even if Selanne comes back.

Even if Selanne comes back this year and we go to the playoffs and do well... if Macdonald's capspace means we resign Perry before RFA, then its a win for us. Macdonald is a great player and all, but this system is not going to benefit him in the future... unfortunately............

On the flip side, this system will NOT inhibit Selanne's production if he comes back (aside from the re-adjusting phase)

TheJoeMan

01-04-2008, 03:33 AM

Depth in Portland, getting Hnidy salary off for next year. He may get in a game but most likely unless he amazes he will be sent down.

I could buy that if Burke didn't send a draft pick to Boston as well. Whenever Burke trades for a roster player from another team they usually start with the Ducks. Whether he sticks or not is another story but he'll see some action in the next few games for sure.

snarktacular

01-04-2008, 07:34 PM

Some info about Bochenski, courtesy of a magnanimous Boston fan:
As far as Bochenski goes. He's a floar around and try to get open type. He wasn't a good skater to begin with and bulked up over the summer which made him even more awkward. He's worked the extra weight off now and is at least back to skating the way he did last year, which is average. He's got a great wrist shot and when he's on, shoots from everywhere and is able to pick spots from tough angles. Last year he played well with Kessel, which is odd, because Kess is another shooter. Before he got dealt, he played two games on Savard's wing, and didn't produce. He's played with Metro, he played with Kessel, he played with Bergeron, he just wasn't productive and he didn't bring enough in other areas to justify the ice time. He seems to do well after a trade, so give him an opportunity and he could produce again. But he just hasn't figured out how to play with urgency or how to be a consistent positive factor yet. It's a shame, because he can score when he's in a groove.

1) Bochenski has the ability to be good on the cycle. He's a heady player, and makes some clever passes and he isn't afraid to go into the corners. The question is will he do it. The difference between can and will has been his biggest problem.

2) I wouldn't think that LW would be a problem for him. He was on the right side here. But he doesn't handle the puck enough for it to be a problem. He just moves it to others and tries to get open, whether he's breaking out of the D zone, in the neutral zone, or offensive zone.

Forget about the skating coach. Get a drill sargent who is going to ride this kid like an army enlistee in boot camp, and you'll get a player. You'll know right away which Bochenski you've got. If he is shooting from all angles, I bet he gets 10-15 goals in the next 40 games, but if he can't seem to get open or get his shot off, you've got the guy that played his way off this team.

Good shot, shoots a lot, questionable drive, subpar defensively, mediocre skater. He almost sounds like Lupul 2.0.