GDT: Semifinal matchup - USA vs. Canada - January 4th, 2008 2PM

Border battle time...

U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A!! :scared:

The United States have to be considered the favourite heading into this game.

This should be fun.

Let's Go USA!

Jeez, this thread came a little later than I expected, the Canada Finlad game has been over for almost 20 minutes! :biglaugh:

Either way, hope for a good clean game with good officiating. May the best team win!

It'll take hard work and stellar goaltending for the Canadiens to take this one. Hopefully Hartsburg won't misplay the big three (Turris, Stamkos and Tavares), and the D can hold the fort.

It's going to be a close game. 1 or 2 goal differential at most.

GO CANADA GO

Canada had a distinct physical advantage against the Finns that they won't be able to exploit against the U.S. If the U.S. plays their game and Smith is on top of his, the U.S. has an excellent chance of advancing. This could come down to special teams, specifically Canada's ability to stay out of the box.

The United States have to be considered the favourite heading into this game.

I thought in the past few tournaments, the Semis were always held the day after the Quarters, which is why there is a huge advantage to winning the group, and thus getting the bye into the Semis.

With Canada getting Thursday to rest before the Friday semis, fatigue should not be a factor in this game.

Should be a good close game.

The US is the definite favorite. If they get up early, esp. by 2 goals, it's gonna be a blowout. If Canada keeps it low scoring and close, they have a chance.

I disagree about Canada getting blown out if they get down early. Not going to happen. No team has come close to blowing them out.

I disagree about Canada getting blown out if they get down early. Not going to happen. No team has come close to blowing them out.

Haven't played a team as skilled offensively as the US. And Sweden was the only one that is even in the same ballpark, and for 2 periods of that game, the Candians had confidence, that they've shown little signs of since.

I disagree about Canada getting blown out if they get down early. Not going to happen. No team has come close to blowing them out.

Yeah, I don't see Canada getting blown out at any point in the game. This will be a battle right to the end to be sure. It will be interesting though if Canada is in the box a lot as the U.S. has a very good power play.

Bernier Must START, I repeat, MUST START, for Canada to have a chance.

If Smith plays OK, USA wins!!!

If Smith plays OK, USA wins!!!

I think there's more to it than that:

* Jeremy Smith must play well and make the key saves when needed. The good news is he has done so throughout the tourney.

* The top U.S. guns (such as Wilson, JVR, Okposo) must produce.

* The U.S. PP must contribute.

* The U.S. has to at least play Canada even physically.

If the U.S. can manage those things, they have a good chance at winning. Both sides are going to be jacked up for this one. Maybe Geoffrion will blow up Turris for grins?

Canada will win with 9-2 against USA.:sarcasm:

Now I only saying that you Canadians says before a game against a European country.

I think Bernier is the guy who should be in net.
But I suspect that Hartsburg will go with Mason.
Should be a great, great game...just like last year, hopefully with a similar result.

Bernier Must START, I repeat, MUST START, for Canada to have a chance.

Agreed.

Its not even close. Never has been. Mason is in amongst a few guys who could have been the back-up to Bernier in this tournament.

Canada can physically dominate USA and knock just as many Americans off their feet as they do FINS',SWEDES or RUSSIANS.

Canada will win with 9-2 against USA.:sarcasm:

Now I only saying that you Canadians says before a game against a European country.


Among the many problems with this point, is the fact that even if that was a prediction by someone for any of our previous games, this US team is better than ANY euro team in the tourney. They'll show that in whichever medal game they play.

I predict that canadians will bring up the fact that they have a few players in the NHL that would be on the team anyways, if/when they lose.:teach:


I´ll set the odds as a whopping 1.01.

Among the many problems with this point, is the fact that even if that was a prediction by someone for any of our previous games, this US team is better than ANY euro team in the tourney. They'll show that in whichever medal game they play.


How you know that USA are better than Sweden?????????? Typically North American arrogance against the Euros. How much better was USA than Russia? 3-2? Not so much!

I predict that canadians will bring up the fact that they have a few players in the NHL, that would be on the team anyways, if/when they lose.:teach:

Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.

If Canada loses, it will because the Americans earned the win, the team was poorly selected(from the Junior age talent in junior) and was poorly coached.

How you know that USA are better than Sweden?????????? Typically North American arrogance against the Euros. Ho much better was USA than Russia? 3-2? Not so much!


That part about the US being better than Sweden, that was a prediction. Much like you "sarcastically" predicting that Canada would win 9-2. Also, the last I checked, you only needed to be 3-2 better...you didn't need to be "so much" better. Gold medals aren't handed out for winning big, but rather for winning. But at the WJ level, I guess Swedes wouldn't know a lot about that. :sarcasm:

I predict that canadians will bring up the fact that they have a few players in the NHL that would be on the team anyways, if/when they lose.:teach:


I´ll set the odds as a whopping 1.01.


What sense would that make? While not as many players, they have better players in the NHL than we do. Kane, E. Johnson and Mueller would make this US team unstoppable.

How you know that USA are better than Sweden?????????? Typically North American arrogance against the Euros. How much better was USA than Russia? 3-2? Not so much!

Yes, but the shot totals were not even close. The americans dominated the game.

Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.

If Canada loses, it will because the Americans earned the win, the team was poorly selected(from the Junior age talent in junior) and was poorly coached.

Oh yeah??? Bilros has right! That was the things you Canadians came up with after the loss to Sweden! "Sweden only won against a Canadian B-team". But now, if Canada lose against USA it because of USA are a great team and blah,blah! Maybe Sweden is a great team and won a well-deserved game against Canada? Typical Canadian arrogance!

I predict that canadians will bring up the fact that they have a few players in the NHL that would be on the team anyways, if/when they lose.:teach:


I´ll set the odds as a whopping 1.01.

Can you not make comments like those..when that happens...we'll see! You're baically trolling!!! Everyone knows that you have a problem with Canada but don't show it on the boards....Keep it in your mind and be happy if Canada loses.

And yes, US is stronger that Canada this year, it's a fact.

What sense would that make? While not as many players, they have better players in the NHL than we do. Kane, E. Johnson and Mueller would make this US team unstoppable.

agreed. I also wish they would have taken Petrecki, McDonagh, and Palmieri...then they would be unstoppable!!!! :D

Oh yeah??? Bilros has right! That was the things you Canadians came up with after the loss to Sweden! "Sweden only won against a Canadian B-team". But now, if Canada lose against USA it because of USA are a great team and blah,blah! Maybe Sweden is a great team and won a well-deserved game against Canada? Typical Canadian arrogance!

Who said that? Probably, people in this forum, right? Who cares what they say!!!

This was the best team that Hockey Canada could put together and they have to play with it. Time to move on.....And yes, Sweden is a great team and they should win nothing but Gold.

As much as I want Canada to win, team USA are the definite favourites going into this one. We're going to have a tough time beating the Americans, and personally, I don't see it happening with Mason.

I think Sweden has the best chance at winning gold this year. Hats off to the Swedes.

As much as I want Canada to win, team USA are the definite favourites going into this one. We're going to have a tough time beating the Americans, and personally, I don't see it happening with Mason.

I think Sweden has the best chance at winning gold this year. Hats off to the Swedes.

Agreed. Of the 5 teams still standing at the time of this post...Canada has the LONGEST stretch toward GOLD because they are CLEARLY feeling the intense pressure of piling on another GOLD medal.

IMO If this Canadian team was JUST playing THIS tournament and not carrying the past/future along with them they would be much better.

Too late now though...they have been shouldering a heavy load and will have to carry it through 2 more games if they are going to pull it off!!!

Oh yeah??? Bilros has right! That was the things you Canadians came up with after the loss to Sweden! "Sweden only won against a Canadian B-team". But now, if Canada lose against USA it because of USA are a great team and blah,blah! Maybe Sweden is a great team and won a well-deserved game against Canada? Typical Canadian arrogance!


Someone is cranky and needs a nap.

What sense would that make? While not as many players, they have better players in the NHL than we do. Kane, E. Johnson and Mueller would make this US team unstoppable.

Not necessarily, a first line of Jordan Staal, Jonathan Toews and Sam Gagner would be nice, especially with Lucic, Sheppard and Perron on the third line......

That would make the Marchand-Turris-Giroux line a very credible second line.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10095/2008_wjc_by_the_numbers/

Oh yeah??? Bilros has right! That was the things you Canadians came up with after the loss to Sweden! "Sweden only won against a Canadian B-team". But now, if Canada lose against USA it because of USA are a great team and blah,blah! Maybe Sweden is a great team and won a well-deserved game against Canada? Typical Canadian arrogance!

I think one poster brought it up, and all of a sudden that representive of all of Canada?

Like I said, Sweden deserved to win and exposed Canada's lack of depth.

If the Americans win, they will have earned it. There's no conspiracy here.

While the 3 American NHL players are all exceptional, how anyone can argue that they would make a bigger difference then having 6 NHL calibre players on the Canadian squad? That's 2 full forward lines who have played the entire season against the best players in the world.

The biggest problem with the Canadian team right now is coaching. How Marchand is still on the top line is beyond me. Turris and Tavares played together for 8 games during the Super Series and had developed some chemistry. I would have had them together from the get go.

i think that whatever checking line of sutter, gillies, and legion or carmon, geroffion, sweatt has the better game will win, i just think what team shuts down the others top o-line will win.

How you know that USA are better than Sweden?????????? Typically North American arrogance against the Euros. How much better was USA than Russia? 3-2? Not so much!Who's being arrogant in this thread?

Anyway, Go Canada Go!

Over/Under on how many threads this game is going to need? lol!

I think this is the most exciting match-up of the whole tourney. I agree the States will be considered the favourites, but for those who say Canada has no chance is quite silly. They only lost once and that was to Sweden who IMHO are the favourites to win gold. Sweden I believe is a risng hockey country and will show it in this tourney. Canada is not a terrible team by any means and has just as much chance to win as the Americans. Of course everyone loves to beat Canada and I understand that considering the pool of players we have at our grasps. To be able to say we beat Canada and took them out of the tourney is the ultimate bragging right, next to winning the gold. If a team can do both all the better.
Here's to a great match-up and to some great hockey competition. May the best team win.

I don't think they should bother playing the game. Canada is icing one of the worst teams in WJHC history and the American team makes the '05 Canadians look like this year's team.

But since they have to play the games anyway, I'll go with a less than bold prediction:

87-1 USA

Here's to the Canada's goaltending failing them...again.

Canada hasn't been able to find the next gear all tournament long. Hopefully they find it on Friday against the Americans but I'm not holding my breath. Agreed that Bernier has to start. Can't have Mason after today's performance.

4-1 U.S.A is my pick.

as a diehard american fan im hoping for mason. i think bernier can shut down any team at any time and just dominate a game.

Yes, but the shot totals were not even close. The americans dominated the game.


Not very convincing ... the US scored all 3 goals on the PP

throughout the game, the US had 2 times more PP time

and, the US lost 2-0 at even strength

my prediction, 2-1 Canada

Here's to the Canada's goaltending failing them...again.

Um. Canada has ALWAYS had FAR AND AWAY top of the class goaltending.

Granted,there was the notorious Fleury gaffe against USA and no goalie is perfect but anybody that thinks there is a GOOD CHANCE of Canadian goaltending giving ANY game away hasn't been paying attention over the greater majority of games.

If thats what your holding out for...your against the odds.

bernier has to start

Americans have been playing some great hockey, Canada will certainly have to elevate their game if they want to win this one. Should be a great game.

I think the USA is probably the favorite in this game but I don't think that is a bad thing for Canada at all. You know what they say about backing an injured animal into a corner. The Canadian kids probably feel bad about losing to the Swedes and are going to be tough to play against.

Should be a good game as the USA hasn't reacted well to being the favorite in some of the previous WJC's.

I still wouldn't put money on Canada losing, but I wouldn't be shocked either.

I think the USA is probably the favorite in this game but I don't think that is a bad thing for Canada at all. You know what they say about backing an injured animal into a corner. The Canadian kids probably feel bad about losing to the Swedes and are going to be tough to play against.

Should be a good game as the USA hasn't reacted well to being the favorite in some of the previous WJC's.

I still wouldn't put money on Canada losing, but I wouldn't be shocked either.

My thoughts exactly. While Canada hasn't played its best game yet, I'm not that confident in them. The US team, historically, has laid some eggs when favoured at this tourney, so we'll have to see how it goes on Friday.

I expect the US to win, but it's not out of the realm of possibility for our guys to rise to the occasion. If we had more than 2 returnees, I'd be happier. Just means we'll have a nice experienced team next year if we don't win this one....

Will the bozos (who appear to do this every single time) who have tried to turn this into a Canada bash festival please stick to the thread and simply discuss who and why you think a certain team will win.

And if you won't refrain will the people who are designated to take care of such foolishness please step in and do their job? (fine me if you wish, it needs to be said.I know you're not around all the time but i'm sure you have caught it by now and can start issuing the warnings so it will stop now)

No wonder some folks get frustrated. It's supposed to be about the U.S-Canada game and analysing it.............................not a chance to dig at TC.

Cmon!!! talk the f'in game.

I think this is the most exciting match-up of the whole tourney. I agree the States will be considered the favourites, but for those who say Canada has no chance is quite silly. They only lost once and that was to Sweden who IMHO are the favourites to win gold. Sweden I believe is a risng hockey country and will show it in this tourney. Canada is not a terrible team by any means and has just as much chance to win as the Americans. Of course everyone loves to beat Canada and I understand that considering the pool of players we have at our grasps. To be able to say we beat Canada and took them out of the tourney is the ultimate bragging right, next to winning the gold. If a team can do both all the better.
Here's to a great match-up and to some great hockey competition. May the best team win.

I must have missed that post

The United States have to be considered the favourite heading into this game.

The defending champs are still the champs until they lose.....

Oh yeah??? Bilros has right! That was the things you Canadians came up with after the loss to Sweden! "Sweden only won against a Canadian B-team". But now, if Canada lose against USA it because of USA are a great team and blah,blah! Maybe Sweden is a great team and won a well-deserved game against Canada? Typical Canadian arrogance!


Last time I checked this was a USA vs Canada GDT not anything to do with Sweden and the preliminary round games......:shakehead

go USA

Oh yeah??? Bilros has right! That was the things you Canadians came up with after the loss to Sweden! "Sweden only won against a Canadian B-team".


Only a handful of Canadian posters said that. The rest of us were telling them to shut up.

I think it will be a great as they are most of the time between these two teams....

GO CANADA GO

While the 3 American NHL players are all exceptional, how anyone can argue that they would make a bigger difference then having 6 NHL calibre players on the Canadian squad?

I = anyone.

I'd take 3 top talents over 6 average to above average any day.

I = anyone.

I'd take 3 top talents over 6 average to above average any day.

Yeah no, but it's a regardless fact, because they aren't here and they aren't coming.

I = anyone.

I'd take 3 top talents over 6 average to above average any day.
Not one to be talkin about guys not in the tourny but Toews deserves a little more credit than average to above average.

K, Sweden won, congrats, but in my humble opinion that game was more canada choking in the 3rd period with average goal tending (which continued today) than some great Swedish team...

i would love to play the swedes for the gold. i can guarantee you, canada will be ready.

I = anyone.

I'd take 3 top talents over 6 average to above average any day.

So you'd take Kane, Johnson and Mueller than Toews, Gagner, Sheppard, Perron, Staal and Lucic?

Toews>Mueller
Toews=>Kane (Overall)

But I'll take those 6 than those 3 in a team!!!! Gagner and Mueller are eqaul talent wise.

Toews and J. Staal bring penalty killing and Canada would've easily won this Gold with them!!!!

But as for now, Hopefully Canada can win!!!

Wow this is gonna be a sick game. Wish I could actually watch...

Yanks have to be favored. I predict a nasty game.

Um. Canada has ALWAYS had FAR AND AWAY top of the class goaltending.

Granted,there was the notorious Fleury gaffe against USA and no goalie is perfect but anybody that thinks there is a GOOD CHANCE of Canadian goaltending giving ANY game away hasn't been paying attention over the greater majority of games.

If thats what your holding out for...your against the odds.I'm not holding out for another Fleury gaffe circa 2004, just another game with another human goaltender. Mason, Bernier, I don't care who it is.

The defending champs are still the champs until they lose.....
Exactly.

To be the man, you gotta beat the man.

Here's your chance USA, time to step up and not choke for once.

As long as we don't get an Andrew Raycroft performance in net it'll be a good game.

BTW, with Russia winning this game will take place at 1:30 EST. It will be on TSN in Canada and NHL Network in the US.

I don't really think it matters who's in nets for Canada. Both goalies are top CHL goalies, and were the best available for the team. Also, both spent time in the bigs. Saying this, obviously both guys are capable of having a huge night, and IMO, whoever starts is going to bring their A-game.

My prediction, 3-2 Canada, in overtime.

Should be a very good game - it's too bad this is the first time I'm getting to see the US play. Good luck to both sides, and put on a show.

Can't wait!!

3-1 Canada.

So you'd take Kane, Johnson and Mueller than Toews, Gagner, Sheppard, Perron, Staal and Lucic?

Toews>Mueller
Toews=>Kane (Overall)

But I'll take those 6 than those 3 in a team!!!! Gagner and Mueller are eqaul talent wise.

Toews and J. Staal bring penalty killing and Canada would've easily won this Gold with them!!!!

But as for now, Hopefully Canada can win!!!

Any day of the week. Perron and Sheppard will always just be average in the NHL, while Johnson and Kane will be superstars, like Toews. Staal is just brutal, and Lucic does nothing but fight. And Mueller is bigger and better than Gagne. Gagne is still very good though, Mueller is just better defensively and Offensively. :teach:

I was ticked the moment Leland Irving got cut, because I really felt he was the guy to do it for Canada this year. I haven't trusted Mason OR Bernier from the get-go. Bernier cost us the Sweden game and Mason just about cost us the QF. The entire team is going to have to buckle down against the Americans and play a sound defensive game, but again, as I have said all along, with an OHL coach and a OHL-heavy squad, defence isn't a priority and it isn't as well-rounded a team.

Sutter woulda NEVER stood for the garbage we've seen so far. The Yanks may be favoured but I'll never count Canada out...

Any day of the week. Perron and Sheppard will always just be average in the NHL, while Johnson and Kane will be superstars, like Toews. Staal is just brutal, and Lucic does nothing but fight. And Mueller is bigger and better than Gagne. Gagne is still very good though, Mueller is just better defensively and Offensively. :teach:

Those 6 will help a team more than those 3......Believe me!!

Canada's had some WJC teams (recent ones, in fact) that had to dig deep to get wins, and this team'll have to do just that to get by the Americans. But I think they have it in them.

Bernier in net would be a big step in the right direction. Two soft goals and poor puckhandling from a puckhandling goaltender don't instill me with confidence.

Any day of the week. Perron and Sheppard will always just be average in the NHL, while Johnson and Kane will be superstars, like Toews. Staal is just brutal, and Lucic does nothing but fight. And Mueller is bigger and better than Gagne. Gagne is still very good though, Mueller is just better defensively and Offensively. :teach:

Stop, just stop. Staal is far from brutal.


Honestly, who cares whether the 6 Canadian guys would help more or the 3 American guys would help more. NOBODY from the NHL is playing in this tourney (I don't think), therefore everybody is on even ground.


I absolutely cannot wait for this game, it's going to be a battle out there. I'll predict a 2-1 game, not sure who wins though.

Any day of the week. Perron and Sheppard will always just be average in the NHL, while Johnson and Kane will be superstars, like Toews. Staal is just brutal, and Lucic does nothing but fight. And Mueller is bigger and better than Gagne. Gagne is still very good though, Mueller is just better defensively and Offensively. :teach:
LMFAOROFLMAO LOL LOL LOL.

You CLEARLY, CLEARLY have not seen half these guys play with the judgement you used..

should be one hell of a game.. can't wait.

go USA!!!

(do us proud Okposo and Rakhshani!)

Any day of the week. Perron and Sheppard will always just be average in the NHL, while Johnson and Kane will be superstars, like Toews. Staal is just brutal, and Lucic does nothing but fight. And Mueller is bigger and better than Gagne. Gagne is still very good though, Mueller is just better defensively and Offensively. :teach:

did you see lucic play against JUNIOR age players last year? unstoppable.
and staal is having a sophmore slump,but he can still play.and isn't cogliano still junior -eligible?

did you see lucic play against JUNIOR age players last year? unstoppable.
and staal is having a sophmore slump,but he can still play.and isn't cogliano still junior -eligible?

No, he's 20 now.

The game is now at 2pm Eastern Time.

I am Canadian and I am rooting for Canada but this team isn't that great... I predict Canada losses 3-2 .

Should be one of the games of the year for us hockey fans

I’m a little confused. Who is saying the Americans are the heavy favourites against Canada? The Americans beat Kazakhstan 5-1, the Swiss 4-2, the Russians 3-2 and the Finns 5-3, hardly major dominance in any of those games.
Canada beat the Czechs 3-0, the Slovaks 2-0 and the Danes 4-1 and lost a nail biter to Sweden 4-3. If you watched the Sweden game Canada was up 2-0 and could have (yet didn’t) made it 3-0 shorthanded. They fell apart in the last 15 minutes and because of a couple of mistakes lost the game.
This team is very capable of beating the USA as is the American team capable of beating Canada.

Let’s put things into perspective here. The USA has a system that no other country has.
They ‘hot house’ their players into under 16, under 17 and under 18 teams. The under 17 team plays in the NAHL and plays more tournaments as a team than anyone else.
These teams are based in Ann Arbor and their sole purpose is to win.
The majority of this years team USA have played together a lot.

Every other country is at a disadvantage right from the start, but no one uses that as an excuse nor should they.

Imagine Sweden, Canada or any other country doing that first and the Americans would have been the first to yell foul.

All other countries have a few weeks to get a team ready.

The under 17 USA team has 3 players with dual citizenship, starting with their ace goalie, Brandon Maxwell, who played in Cambridge, Ontario last year.

This years under 20 USA team has a few players with a ‘Canadian’ connection too and they tried to grab Brandon Sutter a few years ago as he was born in New York. Old man Sutter must have gone ape over that attempt.

Every year (well all but one) Canada is at a disadvantage (no I’m not using it as an excuse but it is reality) in that some Canadian players are not able to play as they’re in the NHL. Yes, the USA has this problem this year and I can guarantee you that if it was up to Mr Bettman they’d be playing for team USA.

Someone on here said the 3 American players who could be playing are better than any of the 6 Canadian players. LOL

I’d rather have Toews, Gagner and Staal on my team than Johnson, Kane and Mueller any day as would most general managers.

Canada’s team that went 7-0-1 against the Russians would have annihilated the American team.

That being said win or lose these Canadian boys deserve a lot of credit and respect as do the boys on the European teams that are at a distinct disadvantage.

not a good way to start your posting career.

I'll still be on Canada but I think the USA is winning this game.

I’m a little confused. Who is saying the Americans are the heavy favourites against Canada? The Americans beat Kazakhstan 5-1, the Swiss 4-2, the Russians 3-2 and the Finns 5-3, hardly major dominance in any of those games.
Canada beat the Czechs 3-0, the Slovaks 2-0 and the Danes 4-1 and lost a nail biter to Sweden 4-3. If you watched the Sweden game Canada was up 2-0 and could have (yet didn’t) made it 3-0 shorthanded. They fell apart in the last 15 minutes and because of a couple of mistakes lost the game.
This team is very capable of beating the USA as is the American team capable of beating Canada.

Let’s put things into perspective here. The USA has a system that no other country has.
They ‘hot house’ their players into under 16, under 17 and under 18 teams. The under 17 team plays in the NAHL and plays more tournaments as a team than anyone else.
These teams are based in Ann Arbor and their sole purpose is to win.
The majority of this years team USA have played together a lot.

Every other country is at a disadvantage right from the start, but no one uses that as an excuse nor should they.

Imagine Sweden, Canada or any other country doing that first and the Americans would have been the first to yell foul.

All other countries have a few weeks to get a team ready.

The under 17 USA team has 3 players with dual citizenship, starting with their ace goalie, Brandon Maxwell, who played in Cambridge, Ontario last year.

This years under 20 USA team has a few players with a ‘Canadian’ connection too and they tried to grab Brandon Sutter a few years ago as he was born in New York. Old man Sutter must have gone ape over that attempt.

Every year (well all but one) Canada is at a disadvantage (no I’m not using it as an excuse but it is reality) in that some Canadian players are not able to play as they’re in the NHL. Yes, the USA has this problem this year and I can guarantee you that if it was up to Mr Bettman they’d be playing for team USA.

Someone on here said the 3 American players who could be playing are better than any of the 6 Canadian players. LOL

I’d rather have Toews, Gagner and Staal on my team than Johnson, Kane and Mueller any day as would most general managers.

Canada’s team that went 7-0-1 against the Russians would have annihilated the American team.

That being said win or lose these Canadian boys deserve a lot of credit and respect as do the boys on the European teams that are at a distinct disadvantage.

This post is not fair to the American kids, is it their fault that the country has a great hockey program in place??? No.

We could point out all the advantages that Canadian kids have as well. For example, the three best major junior leagues in the world. More competition then any team out there....how about more registered hockey players then almost all of the other countries combined.

The Americans have done whatever they could to attempt to get on a level playing field with our Canadian program and good for them.

This appears to be a way out should the Canadians lose to the Americans, which with the way our boys have playing is entirely possible, but let's not point fingers at the U.S. for trying to better improve their chances.

Good on them, and it should make for an oustanding game on Friday.

U-S-A
Cant wait for this one.

This game has all the ingredients to be a classic WJC game. You can analyze it all you want but it's a one game matchup, not a 7-game series. Canada is probably the better team on paper while the USA has been the class of the tournament to this point. IMO, these are Canada's keys to the game:

1. Goaltending

This one's pretty obvious. You can get away with allowing a weak goal or two against Finland but that can't happen against a team as dominant as the USA. Whoever is in goal won't have to steal the game but there cannot be any weak goals like the two that went in on Mason today. That's why I'm really hoping Bernier gets the nod. He's been virtually perfect throughout the selection camp, exhibition games and two tournament games with the exception of one period. He is also viewed as the top teenage netminder in the world for a reason. Watching him against the Czech's, that was one of the most superb performances I have ever seen at this tournament and I've been an avid watcher for the past decade plus. I'm really hoping they go with Bernier but regardless, Canada's goaltending is going to have to be solid and most likely better than Jeremy Smith at the other end for Canada to have a chance.

2. Solid Top 4 And Team Defence

One of the big differences between the USA and virtually every other single team (there are a few exceptions, the Russians are the first that come to mind) in the tournament is that they have more than a few players/lines that are elite and can score at will. Most of the European teams have questionable depth but are extremely top heavy. That is a generalization but for the most part, it is true. A perfect example of this is the Czech Republic. With Frolik and Voracek, that offense boasts quite possibly two of the top 5 or 10 offensive players in the tournament, with Voracek being perhaps the very best. However, after those two guys that team is nowhere near as dangerous as a team like the USA after their first line. The Americans IMO have 2 of the top 3 players in the tournament with JVR and Okposo. The fact that they play on different lines is going to mean that Canada won't always be able to get the Alzner-Doughty pairing against both Okposo and VanRiemsdyk at the same time (they don't have last change but it's not difficult to change on the fly and the Canadians have a knack for doing it well and efficiently). Thus, Schenn and Hickey are going to have to have big ES minutes against the 2nd line (Okposo). IMO there's quite a significant drop-off from that pairing to the Godfrey-Pyett one. With those two guys (Okposo and JVR) being so strong physically, you have to have at least one of Alzner or Schenn against them at all times. I think Schenn is going to be playing a much more prominent role in this game than he has in the previous tournament games. I look for him to get bigtime minutes, and that might mean he's not always going to be paired with Hickey at ES. Another point of note is that Canada's going to need responsible checking forwards. Obviously that's the Sutter line's forte, but they really need another line that can be sound defensively. I'm counting on a combination of at least two of Holzapfel, Matthias and Halischuk to be put in that role. Canada has been used to dominating the faceoff circle for the most part in this tournament. Not dominating as in 55-60% but dominating as in some guys being closer to 80% on the dot. IMO, the American's have the potential to change that stat in a big way and continuous faceoff presence is another key to Canada's success.

3. Find Offensive Chemistry

It doesn't matter if a shakeup is necessary but those three guys have to be a more consistent offensive force. Without question, Canada can throw out three players as talented as any three that team USA can throw out there but they need to get some chemistry. Personally, I'd like Marchand taken off that line and put into a checking role against one of the American's top lines. He just ruins the cohesion of that line at times and his goal today was fortuitious to say the least. I'd like to see him and Tavares switch places for the semi-final. Tavares showed chemistry in the Super Series with Turris and Marchand I think has the potential to succeed without the great pressure associated with playing on the top line. Here's what I'd like to see:

Tavares-Turris-Giroux
Offensive line, probably matched up against Carman-Geoffrion-Sweatt, Tavares adds offense and has been perfectly fine in his own end and on the forecheck to warrant this promotion.

Halischuk-Matthias-Marchand
One of the Checking lines, I'd like to see these guys matched up against the Okposo line. I think Matthias' size can create problems and Halischuk is just phenomenal in his own zone, especially in terms of getting pucks out. Marchand can play a gritty style and chip in with some occasional offense with these guys as well. I wouldn't mind switching up Stamkos with Marchand if necessary.

Gillies-Sutter-Legein
The primary checking line, I'm thinking will be matched up against the line that has been lighting it up for the USA (JVR, Schroeder and IIRC Ruegsegger). It's imperative that Sutter win draws like he's capable of and that these guys get a cycle going deep in US territory on a regular basis. I love Gillies on this line, he's been far and away the best physical presence on this team so far and he's a perfect fit for one of the checking lines.

Stamkos-Holzapfel-Boychuk
Simmonds isn't creating anything and isn't taking the body enough to warrant a spot anywhere but on the bench as the 13th forward. I don't care if he plays for Hartsburg, he hasn't done anything physically to this point and he's not much of an offensive talent so I want him as 13th forward to start off. Boychuk's been quiet to start the tournament as well and found himself on the bench against Finland. He can create offense significantly better than Simmonds and I think he's learned a lesson from the Finland game. I think this line can pitch in at both ends of the ice and none of the three will hurt you in the defensive zone.

I’m a little confused. Who is saying the Americans are the heavy favourites against Canada? The Americans beat Kazakhstan 5-1, the Swiss 4-2, the Russians 3-2 and the Finns 5-3, hardly major dominance in any of those games.
Canada beat the Czechs 3-0, the Slovaks 2-0 and the Danes 4-1 and lost a nail biter to Sweden 4-3. If you watched the Sweden game Canada was up 2-0 and could have (yet didn’t) made it 3-0 shorthanded. They fell apart in the last 15 minutes and because of a couple of mistakes lost the game.
This team is very capable of beating the USA as is the American team capable of beating Canada.

Let’s put things into perspective here. The USA has a system that no other country has.
They ‘hot house’ their players into under 16, under 17 and under 18 teams. The under 17 team plays in the NAHL and plays more tournaments as a team than anyone else.
These teams are based in Ann Arbor and their sole purpose is to win.
The majority of this years team USA have played together a lot.

Every other country is at a disadvantage right from the start, but no one uses that as an excuse nor should they.

Imagine Sweden, Canada or any other country doing that first and the Americans would have been the first to yell foul.

All other countries have a few weeks to get a team ready.

The under 17 USA team has 3 players with dual citizenship, starting with their ace goalie, Brandon Maxwell, who played in Cambridge, Ontario last year.

This years under 20 USA team has a few players with a ‘Canadian’ connection too and they tried to grab Brandon Sutter a few years ago as he was born in New York. Old man Sutter must have gone ape over that attempt.

Every year (well all but one) Canada is at a disadvantage (no I’m not using it as an excuse but it is reality) in that some Canadian players are not able to play as they’re in the NHL. Yes, the USA has this problem this year and I can guarantee you that if it was up to Mr Bettman they’d be playing for team USA.

Someone on here said the 3 American players who could be playing are better than any of the 6 Canadian players. LOL

I’d rather have Toews, Gagner and Staal on my team than Johnson, Kane and Mueller any day as would most general managers.

Canada’s team that went 7-0-1 against the Russians would have annihilated the American team.

That being said win or lose these Canadian boys deserve a lot of credit and respect as do the boys on the European teams that are at a distinct disadvantage.

The slovaks have a team in the men's league of their country, and I haven't heard anyone cry foul. In fact, why would anyone cry foul, you seem to be the only one and I don't understand why. The Canadian team doesn't deserve respect, they've yet to win convincingly against a decent opponent, in fact they got lucky with a victory over Finland today. Either way, there is no awesome u20 team like a u18 team, and not many players currently on the team have played on any of those teams. Therefore the already terrible point is moot, as it doesn't apply at all to this tournament. Also, and I'm not sure of this, but can you play in high school and be on the U17, U18, etc. teams? I believe you can.

I predict an American blow out- something like 6-2. Against Finland, the Americans were up 5-1 and totally shutting them down before they (the US) put in the backup to rest Smith. Canada got lucky against the same team the US basically blew out.

I predict an American blow out- something like 6-2. Against Finland, the Americans were up 5-1 and totally shutting them down before they (the US) put in the backup to rest Smith. Canada got lucky against the same team the US basically blew out.

this will not happen. The Finland game was a little closer than Canada would have liked, but Canada is not built to blow anybody out. They are a defensive team. I personally think USA will win, but 6-2 will not happen. I predict 3-1.

I apologise if anyone took it that I was disrespecting the American team. That was not my intention.

I stand by my post on everything else.

it's ok...we all still like you :D

The slovaks have a team in the men's league of their country, and I haven't heard anyone cry foul. In fact, why would anyone cry foul, you seem to be the only one and I don't understand why. The Canadian team doesn't deserve respect, they've yet to win convincingly against a decent opponent, in fact they got lucky with a victory over Finland today. Either way, there is no awesome u20 team like a u18 team, and not many players currently on the team have played on any of those teams. Therefore the already terrible point is moot, as it doesn't apply at all to this tournament. Also, and I'm not sure of this, but can you play in high school and be on the U17, U18, etc. teams? I believe you can.

I predict an American blow out- something like 6-2. Against Finland, the Americans were up 5-1 and totally shutting them down before they (the US) put in the backup to rest Smith. Canada got lucky against the same team the US basically blew out.

Got lucky????

Both of Finlands goals were 'lucky' and terrible!

If Canada doesn't give up any flukey goals they could easily shut out Team USA!

The slovaks have a team in the men's league of their country, and I haven't heard anyone cry foul. In fact, why would anyone cry foul, you seem to be the only one and I don't understand why. The Canadian team doesn't deserve respect, they've yet to win convincingly against a decent opponent, in fact they got lucky with a victory over Finland today. Either way, there is no awesome u20 team like a u18 team, and not many players currently on the team have played on any of those teams. Therefore the already terrible point is moot, as it doesn't apply at all to this tournament. Also, and I'm not sure of this, but can you play in high school and be on the U17, U18, etc. teams? I believe you can.

I predict an American blow out- something like 6-2. Against Finland, the Americans were up 5-1 and totally shutting them down before they (the US) put in the backup to rest Smith. Canada got lucky against the same team the US basically blew out.

I predict you won't be around on Friday to admit you were wrong.

Got lucky????

Both of Finlands goals were 'lucky' and terrible!

If Canada doesn't give up any flukey goals they could easily shut out Team USA!

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: please stop making me laugh so hard...

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: please stop making me laugh so hard...

AGREED!:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

I = anyone.

I'd take 3 top talents over 6 average to above average any day.


I would take the 6 over the 3 cuz next year Gagner can still come back to the WJC and everyone else will be too old! So there, ha ha ha ha ha!

AGREED!:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

Especially since they are playing with a "B team" :sarcasm: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

The majority of the American players have played on the Under 18 USA teams, check it out!

a lot have, but how many have actually played with each other? I don't think anyone on JVR's line in this tourny was on the same line as him his last year in the program. Schroeder hasn't played with any of these guys before for example..although i think a lot of the defense has experience playing together for team USA

EDIT: Also I think the biggest factor in this game is the USA has more scoring depth than anyone canada has played....that will be the real deciding factor in this game.

I’m a little confused. Who is saying the Americans are the heavy favourites against Canada? The Americans beat Kazakhstan 5-1, the Swiss 4-2, the Russians 3-2 and the Finns 5-3, hardly major dominance in any of those games.
Canada beat the Czechs 3-0, the Slovaks 2-0 and the Danes 4-1 and lost a nail biter to Sweden 4-3. If you watched the Sweden game Canada was up 2-0 and could have (yet didn’t) made it 3-0 shorthanded. They fell apart in the last 15 minutes and because of a couple of mistakes lost the game.
This team is very capable of beating the USA as is the American team capable of beating Canada.

Let’s put things into perspective here. The USA has a system that no other country has.
They ‘hot house’ their players into under 16, under 17 and under 18 teams. The under 17 team plays in the NAHL and plays more tournaments as a team than anyone else.
These teams are based in Ann Arbor and their sole purpose is to win.
The majority of this years team USA have played together a lot.

Every other country is at a disadvantage right from the start, but no one uses that as an excuse nor should they.

Imagine Sweden, Canada or any other country doing that first and the Americans would have been the first to yell foul.

All other countries have a few weeks to get a team ready.

The under 17 USA team has 3 players with dual citizenship, starting with their ace goalie, Brandon Maxwell, who played in Cambridge, Ontario last year.

This years under 20 USA team has a few players with a ‘Canadian’ connection too and they tried to grab Brandon Sutter a few years ago as he was born in New York. Old man Sutter must have gone ape over that attempt.

Every year (well all but one) Canada is at a disadvantage (no I’m not using it as an excuse but it is reality) in that some Canadian players are not able to play as they’re in the NHL. Yes, the USA has this problem this year and I can guarantee you that if it was up to Mr Bettman they’d be playing for team USA.

Someone on here said the 3 American players who could be playing are better than any of the 6 Canadian players. LOL

I’d rather have Toews, Gagner and Staal on my team than Johnson, Kane and Mueller any day as would most general managers.

Canada’s team that went 7-0-1 against the Russians would have annihilated the American team.

That being said win or lose these Canadian boys deserve a lot of credit and respect as do the boys on the European teams that are at a distinct disadvantage.


This whole thing is ridiculous. So what, I'm glad they do that. Prior to that, they were barely a top 6 hockey nation at this level. They almost got relegated a few times in the 80's and 90's and now they are perenially a top 3 team. At this level, over the past 10 years, it's hard to argue that the top 3 are the US, Canada, Russia, with Czechs, Fins and Swedes just a small notch below. OVER THE PAST 10 years before everyone overreacts.

Besides this, we in Canada host a U-17 tournament every year just to get our kids Intl. experience. We compose 5 of the 10 teams for crying out loud. This allows the kids to play "international pressure" hockey, and gives HC a chance on a level footing to pick players to put into the U18 program, which often leads to WJ teams, barring someone developing/vastly improving late (ie- 18 or 19 yo). What the US did was smart, and they should be totally applauded for it, not condemned as if they are giving their team an unfair advantage. And they would not complain had another nation done this, nor should any other nation that they are doing.

Especially since they are playing with a "B team" :sarcasm: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

One member said that and all the Swedish fans are just focusing on one quote!!!

Well, when I find a quote from them, that's funny, I'll teach everyone how to make fun of a single persons' stupidity and the rest of their fanbase.....I'm too lazy to find one now.

This whole thing is ridiculous. So what, I'm glad they do that. Prior to that, they were barely a top 6 hockey nation at this level. They almost got relegated a few times in the 80's and 90's and now they are perenially a top 3 team. At this level, over the past 10 years, it's hard to argue that the top 3 are the US, Canada, Russia, with Czechs, Fins and Swedes just a small notch below. OVER THE PAST 10 years before everyone overreacts.

Besides this, we in Canada host a U-17 tournament every year just to get our kids Intl. experience. We compose 5 of the 10 teams for crying out loud. This allows the kids to play "international pressure" hockey, and gives HC a chance on a level footing to pick players to put into the U18 program, which often leads to WJ teams, barring someone developing/vastly improving late (ie- 18 or 19 yo). What the US did was smart, and they should be totally applauded for it, not condemned as if they are giving their team an unfair advantage. And they would not complain had another nation done this, nor should any other nation that they are doing.Just curious of the order you put these 6 teams in.

Just curious of the order you put these 6 teams in.

It was random for the top 3, and random for the next 3.

It was random for the top 3, and random for the next 3.Yes im asking your rank. Just wondering if you think US is ahead of Canada?

The USA is the clear favourite in this showdown. Anything less than a 4 goal lead on Canada can be considered a major choke ;)

tough one for canadians.. united they will stand. 4-2 americanos

My prediction:

Another shootout thriller - taking a few more years off my life

CAN - 3
USA - 2

Turris clinches it

Any day of the week. Perron and Sheppard will always just be average in the NHL, while Johnson and Kane will be superstars, like Toews. Staal is just brutal, and Lucic does nothing but fight. And Mueller is bigger and better than Gagne. Gagne is still very good though, Mueller is just better defensively and Offensively. :teach:

Yeah, Staal is just brutal. That's why he has 21 more NHL games played than all three of those Americans combined. Right.

don't have a good feeling about this one. Canada wins easily 4-1.

Yeah, Staal is just brutal. That's why he has 21 more NHL games played than all three of those Americans combined. Right.

the logic, its just so flawed. Kane almost has has many career points as Staal, what a pointless comment you made.

My prediction is that Canada wins 1- 0 ... after the American goalie scores on himself. They owe us one after all.

the logic, its just so flawed. Kane almost has has many career points as Staal, what a pointless comment you made.

A guy who is "brutal" would not be going on his second season in the NHL at age 19. Especially when we're talking about him in regards to his value when playing in a U-19 tournament.

Would I take Staal over Kane (assuming somehow both were elligable for my country's team) for this tournament? No, obviously not. Would Staal be "brutal" and worthless in this tournament? No, obviously not.

Yes im asking your rank. Just wondering if you think US is ahead of Canada?

I was not saying that US was ahead of Canada, that's just the order I typed it out, not in any way are they ahead of Canada in the last 10, so if you want my rank, and I used last 10 years, as it is a round #, and also it is after Canada's dominant run for 5 in a row ended. If you look at the last 10 years, you'd have to say Canada and Russia are 1a and 1b. Canada has 3 golds and 9 medals in the last 10. Russia has 3 and 8 total. I actually overestimated USA, putting them in top 3, they only havfe 1 gold and 2 total medals, but talent wise they should have 3 more medals (03, 05, 06). I underestimated Finland as well, as they have 1 gold and 6 SIX total medals. Well done Fins. The Czechs have 2 gold, 3 total. Sweden, for the record, have ZERO, behind Switzerland and Slovakia, with 1 each.

So, I guess, going on medals alone, I have to say, the last 10 years would be

Can/Rus
Fin
Cze
USA
Switz/Slovakia
Sweden

Sweden will end that drought this year, and I think the USA will move up as well. I think based on threat year in and year out, it's Can, Rus, USA, Fin, Swe, Cze, in that order.

A guy who is "brutal" would not be going on his second season in the NHL at age 19. Especially when we're talking about him in regards to his value when playing in a U-19 tournament.

Would I take Kane over Staal (assuming somehow both were elligable for my country's team) for this tournament? No, obviously not. Would Staal be "brutal" and worthless in this tournament? No, obviously not.

games played is about the most pointless comment you can come up with to gaugue a player's ability, especially when that player is among the worst on his team. Staal may have made team canada, but he likely would not have been one of their best players.

I'll go with 3-1 USA, not confident in Team Canada's ability to put the puck in the net this year.

games played is about the most pointless comment you can come up with to gaugue a player's ability, especially when that player is among the worst on his team. Staal may have made team canada, but he likely would not have been one of their best players.

I think that there's something to be said for NHL experience when compared to junior players, and that Staal would likely look a lot better in this tournament than in the NHL. I mean, yeah, he's having a brutal season offensively this year, but he did put up nearly 30 goals last year. I don't argue that Kane is better (my last post's wording got all brain farted around, and I've fixed it). I'm simply arguing that, for the purposes of this tournament, Staal is certainly not "brutal."

games played is about the most pointless comment you can come up with to gaugue a player's ability, especially when that player is among the worst on his team. Staal may have made team canada, but he likely would not have been one of their best players.

Even in his sophomore slump, Staal has been great in his own end. He could've been invaluable as a defensive presence, particularly with Sutter playing at less than 100%.

Sadly, the USA always loses these border battles. I predict a Canada win, by 2 goals.:cry:

Yeah, Staal is just brutal. That's why he has 21 more NHL games played than all three of those Americans combined. Right.

:biglaugh: what a BAD comment...And Staal is just showing how much skill he has this year right? Last year was a fluke, and this year is not a "sophmore slump"...he is just flat out BAD!!! He's on place for less than 20 pts I believe. :biglaugh:

:biglaugh: what a BAD comment...And Staal is just showing how much skill he has this year right? Last year was a fluke, and this year is not a "sophmore slump"...he is just flat out BAD!!! He's on place for less than 20 pts I believe. :biglaugh:

Sure.

I think that there's something to be said for NHL experience when compared to junior players, and that Staal would likely look a lot better in this tournament than in the NHL. I mean, yeah, he's having a brutal season offensively this year, but he did put up nearly 30 goals last year. I don't argue that Kane is better (my last post's wording got all brain farted around, and I've fixed it). I'm simply arguing that, for the purposes of this tournament, Staal is certainly not "brutal."

I figured the wording was just mixed up, so I refrained from comment:)

Sure.

so is he a superstar? :sarcasm:

so is he a superstar? :sarcasm:

Is there no middle ground between superstar and brutal?

Is there no middle ground between superstar and brutal?

No there is certainly not. Also, every single player that has ever had any success at the WJHC has gone on to light the world on fire as a superstar. Every single one. Scientific fact.

As a Russian i never thought i would say this but.....

USA! USA! USA!

I predict Mason will have a melt down and USA wins it by at least 2. Something like 4-2.

As a Russian i never thought i would say this but.....

USA! USA! USA!

I predict Mason will have a melt down and USA wins it by at least 2. Something like 4-2.

You sound like you know your stuff. :D :D :D

Sadly, the USA always loses these border battles. I predict a Canada win, by 2 goals.:cry:

Don't worry, JVR will lead us to gold! ;)

No trolling allowed.

Canada wins.

Team Canada should come out with the victory, i hope they do, but its gonna be a clase game, i think it will be the kinda game where if even the 1st goal is scored that could be the back breaker

GO CANADA!!!!:yo:

U.S.A has been very good so far, but Canada is no easy task......

i think the U.S will win 2-1, but i can see it go either way....

it will come down to the goalies. the guy who has the best game in net will win the game...

Any day of the week. Perron and Sheppard will always just be average in the NHL, while Johnson and Kane will be superstars, like Toews. Staal is just brutal, and Lucic does nothing but fight. And Mueller is bigger and better than Gagne. Gagne is still very good though, Mueller is just better defensively and Offensively. :teach:

Perron has like 16 points averageing 8 min of ice and playing every other game. That kid is going to be a star in the NHL.

Go USA!!

At least we got a N. American team in the finals. Not a shock I know but good nontheless.

I don't think Canada is going to take it...but something deep down inside me is saying Canada will pull it out.

2-1 Canada. In Overtime.

:biglaugh: what a BAD comment...And Staal is just showing how much skill he has this year right? Last year was a fluke, and this year is not a "sophmore slump"...he is just flat out BAD!!! He's on place for less than 20 pts I believe. :biglaugh:

He's 19 yrs. old......People don't evem make the NHL until 20!!!!

Give him a break.....and yes, Staal would've dominated this tournament.

Canadians show their true colours for the first time this tournament and win 4-2.

As a Russian i never thought i would say this but.....

USA! USA! USA!

I predict Mason will have a melt down and USA wins it by at least 2. Something like 4-2.


Dont know if Mason is going to be a factor from the end of the bench, considering that Bernier may be starting tomorrow.... Hartsburg certainly didnt give Mason a vote of confidence today on TV thats for sure....

Go Usa!

Go Usa!

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/beerfest_clip250.jpg
USA!

Sanguentti game winner

us wins

Ugh...I have class during this.
GO CANADA!

Border battle - may the best team win.

:biglaugh: the game is two days away and we're already on page 6. This should be fun.

Canada wins 1-0 on a Bobby Sanguinetti own goal as he passes too hard for the defenseman to get the puck and it goes into his own net on a delayed Canadian penalty. Mason gets credit for the goal.

I think USA will come out on top unless hartsburg gives the young kids like stamkos/tavares more minutes!

I'm sure bernier will start but it should be good competition for both countries.

The slovaks have a team in the men's league of their country, and I haven't heard anyone cry foul. In fact, why would anyone cry foul, you seem to be the only one and I don't understand why. The Canadian team doesn't deserve respect, they've yet to win convincingly against a decent opponent, in fact they got lucky with a victory over Finland today. Either way, there is no awesome u20 team like a u18 team, and not many players currently on the team have played on any of those teams. Therefore the already terrible point is moot, as it doesn't apply at all to this tournament. Also, and I'm not sure of this, but can you play in high school and be on the U17, U18, etc. teams? I believe you can.

I predict an American blow out- something like 6-2. Against Finland, the Americans were up 5-1 and totally shutting them down before they (the US) put in the backup to rest Smith. Canada got lucky against the same team the US basically blew out.


Then Disney can make a movie about it :sarcasm:

Steve Mason is starting in goal for Canada vs. the U.S. That's the official word from Team Canada.

Steve Mason is starting in goal for Canada vs. the U.S. That's the official word from Team Canada.

I noticed you were non-committal last night on your prediction of this game (what did you say: "Predictions are for gypsies"?). Come on, who do you think will win? :)

I noticed you were non-committal last night on your prediction of this game (what did you say: "Predictions are for gypsies"?). Come on, who do you think will win? :)

Honestly, coming into the tournament I pegged Canada as the favorite to win gold. Based on how the teams have played thus far, I would say the Americans are favored. But in a one-game showdown between Canadian and U.S. juniors, who really knows. I don't. I think you could take the form chart and throw it out the window. If I did know, I would be a professional gambler and living the good life instead of grinding out an existence. ;)

The Americans haven't faced any real adversity and maybe that's because they're so good. On the other hand, who knows how they will react if they get into trouble. As for Canada, they have been a little underwhelming and confidence in this team isn't huge right now, but I saw teams that played like that win gold in 1990, 1991 and 1993, amongst others. Bottom line, I don't know who will win and that's why when asked the question I use the Toe Blake like about predictions being for gypsies. Truth be told, I don't envision my job as saying who I think will or should win because, like I said, if I could do that with any great degree of success, I could make a lot more money in another field. Hopefully, it's a good game.

Funny, I've seen Canada play twice and have not yet seen USA play. I won't make any predicitions, just hope it's a great game.

Cade Fairchild scores on an end to end rush, USA wins 1-0. (St. Louis fan)

Cade Fairchild scores on an end to end rush, USA wins 7-0. (St. Louis fan)

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Trollinho...

US hockey deserves to take this as they have a better team than canada.

USA USA USA!

US hockey deserves to take this as they have a better team than canada.

USA USA USA!

You're right, but I just hope it's a good game.

US hockey deserves to take this as they have a better team than canada.

USA USA USA!

Sorry, but any time I hear anyone say "deserves" I can only think of the Clint Eastwood movie Unforgiven where Clint is getting ready to shoot Gene Hackman and Gene Hackman says, "I don't deserve this...to die like this." And Clint looks at him and says, "Deserves got nuthin' to do with it." And he shoots him. This has no bearing on anything; I just like the story whenever someone says someone "deserves" something. :biglaugh:

Canada has to capitalize on their power play because I think the Americans will play with more of an edge and take more penalties. But unless Giroux, Legein and Marchand begin finding the net, I'm not sure it's going to make much of a difference. Canada just isn't clicking offensively and is relying too heavily on its younger players. The team looks nervous, which is something you don't see very often.

The Swedes proved that the Canadian defence can get rattled when pressured. I expect the Americans will forecheck heavily from the outset. Mason will have to stone them if Canada hopes to win.

U.S. 4 Canada 2

Sorry, but any time I hear anyone say "deserves" I can only think of the Clint Eastwood movie Unforgiven where Clint is getting ready to shoot Gene Hackman and Gene Hackman says, "I don't deserve this...to die like this." And Clint looks at him and says, "Deserves got nuthin' to do with it." And he shoots him. This has no bearing on anything; I just like the story whenever someone says someone "deserves" something. :biglaugh:

I know. Sweden probably deserves to win a medal, but they can still choke. They still gotta earn it!

You're the real McKenzie from TSN.ca btw?

I know. Sweden probably deserves to win a medal, but they can still choke. They still gotta earn it!

You're the real McKenzie from TSN.ca btw?

Yes, he's the real McKenzie.

Anyone know of a feed I can stream the game from (video) from my PC at work? I live within the US. I know the USAhockey website has the audio, but i fig since its on the nhl network, theres got to be a video feed somewhere.

The US should win this game. Canada has Mason in net so good luck to them. Bernier would have been the much better choice but he was slighted for god knows what reason.

Yes, he's the real McKenzie.

hey that's pretty cool that he posts here. I guess I riled him by supporting the US side ;)

Sorry, but any time I hear anyone say "deserves" I can only think of the Clint Eastwood movie Unforgiven where Clint is getting ready to shoot Gene Hackman and Gene Hackman says, "I don't deserve this...to die like this." And Clint looks at him and says, "Deserves got nuthin' to do with it." And he shoots him. This has no bearing on anything; I just like the story whenever someone says someone "deserves" something. :biglaugh:


Everyone already hates Canada at these tournaments.

I think if we started shooting the opposition in the head, it would only get worse.

Anyone know of a feed I can stream the game from (video) from my PC at work? I live within the US. I know the USAhockey website has the audio, but i fig since its on the nhl network, theres got to be a video feed somewhere.


www.channelsurfing.net

Team USA will finally play against a team who can outmuscle them.

hey that's pretty cool that he posts here. I guess I riled him by supporting the US side ;)

You would be surprised how many people post on this board that are well-respected in hockey circles.

It's too bad there's so much "yeah, well...if we had THESE players, we'd be unstoppable!" in this thread.

It's really ruining it.

It's too bad there's so much "yeah, well...if we had THESE players, we'd be unstoppable!" in this thread.

It's really ruining it.

Seriously. It's as lame as argument as saying "If the Wings had Kronwall and Schneider they'd have won the Cup last year". Really? Prove it. Same thing goes for Canada. You DON'T have those players, so stop living in fantasy land. Even if you did, how do you know you wouldn't get upset or beaten? Prove you would win, then you can talk.

Trying to make predictions is a waste of time. I've heard over and over how the Americans are the cream of this years crop but I'll admit to not having seen them play. Sweden looked awesome to me when I saw only the first period of the CAN-SWE game, and they went on to win it. The top five or six teams in this tournament could win any given game. I don't agree with Canada's choice of goaltender and that could prove their undoing, but know that they will play to win against USA.

www.channelsurfing.net

I dont see it on there, any other place? Im surprised no one has a live feed direct to the nhl network.

I dont see it on there, any other place? Im surprised no one has a live feed direct to the nhl network.


Its not going to show up until game time. Just look for the IIHF logo. It definitely works, i watched the Canada-Finland game on it.

Its not going to show up until game time. Just look for the IIHF logo. It definitely works, i watched the Canada-Finland game on it.

That I will, Thanks man. (BTW Your boy James Vanremsdyk is doing awesome)

(spelling is prob off)

Team USA will finally play against a team who can outmuscle them.

Team Canada will finally meet a team they can't walk all over physically.

Just FYI to all those saying USA 'Should' win. Well Vegas doesn't agree, Canada has been favored on every site I've checked. Should be a close game, just wanted to point out that Canada was still favored.

Just FYI to all those saying USA 'Should' win. Well Vegas doesn't agree, Canada has been favored on every site I've checked. Should be a close game, just wanted to point out that Canada was still favored.

With that being said, its still very good to see the US program excel.

Hopefully in a few years that will change. I still think Canada has more talent, I think the US develops them better IMO. Thats the difference (for me anyway)

Team Canada will finally meet a team they can't walk all over physically.
Really? I haven't actually noticed Canada walking all over anybody yet physically. Ok, Colton Gillies has. But as a whole, the team has basically just been on a level physically with most any of their opponents thus far. (One could perhaps even make an argument for, say, Sweden, already outmuscling them.) Canada has thrown some big hits at times. But by and large, this has been the least-physical I think I've ever seen the team as a whole play, at least in my recent memory of watching a WJC Team Canada.
:dunno:

I have nothing against the Canadians and the Russians, but I would LOVE to see a Gold medal game between USA and Sweden!

GO USA!

With Mason being the starter I wonder how many weak goals he'll alllow. I'd still feel a lot more comfortable if Bernier would have been named the starter.

Team USA will finally play against a team who can outmuscle them.

Didn't see much of that "muscle" against the Swedes or Fins

Really? I haven't actually noticed Canada walking all over anybody yet physically. Ok, Colton Gillies has. But as a whole, the team has basically just been on a level physically with most any of their opponents thus far. (One could perhaps even make an argument for, say, Sweden, already outmuscling them.) Canada has thrown some big hits at times. But by and large, this has been the least-physical I think I've ever seen the team as a whole play, at least in my recent memory of watching a WJC Team Canada.
:dunno:

I'd have to agree with this. I certainly haven't seen Canada throwing around the body like they normally do. Then again, the Americans will bring a physical game, so it will probably bring out a more physical Canadian team too. I haven't seen the Americans play, so I'm not going to make any prediction, except to say that I hope the game lives up to it's expectations.

Didn't see much of that "muscle" against the Swedes or Fins

You could see it in the first period of the Fin game, but other than that I agree with you.

Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.

If Canada loses, it will because the Americans earned the win, the team was poorly selected(from the Junior age talent in junior) and was poorly coached.

I couldn't agree more, there are alot better players in this country that weren't even invited to the Canadian camp.

I couldn't agree more, there are alot better players in this country that weren't even invited to the Canadian camp.

I dont know, but isnt Steve Yzerman in charge of the juniors as well for Canada?

I dont know, but isnt Steve Yzerman in charge of the juniors as well for Canada?

I don't think so, if he was though, I would think things would have worked out differently.

I dont know, but isnt Steve Yzerman in charge of the juniors as well for Canada?

Maybe they were thinking of Herb Brooks and taking the "right" players, not the "best" players?? :teach:

Anyone know of a feed I can stream the game from (video) from my PC at work? I live within the US. I know the USAhockey website has the audio, but i fig since its on the nhl network, theres got to be a video feed somewhere.

channelsurfing.net

Really? I haven't actually noticed Canada walking all over anybody yet physically. Ok, Colton Gillies has. But as a whole, the team has basically just been on a level physically with most any of their opponents thus far. (One could perhaps even make an argument for, say, Sweden, already outmuscling them.) Canada has thrown some big hits at times. But by and large, this has been the least-physical I think I've ever seen the team as a whole play, at least in my recent memory of watching a WJC Team Canada.
:dunno:

That may be the case, I've only watched one game all the way through and that was yesterdays game. In my eyes, they pretty much physically walked all over the Fins. I'm not talking about big hits left and right but they were just bigger and stronger than the Fins.

Personally I don't see the logic of starting Mason, but then again I don't understand much of Hartsburg's logic. I think Canada's weak spot is coaching. Yeah yeah flame me and say that he won gold last year but really with the core they had how could they not. Coaching shines through when you can take a average team and go far. Canada's team is far from average but even though they had 2 shut-outs they seem to be offensively starved. To me that is coaching. Anyways looking forward to tomorrow.

Its always been said to be the MAN you gotta beat the MAN. So here is the US chance to do that. This is going to be a close game. I cant believe all the ridiculous posts of the US by like 4 goals or Canada by the same margin. I think whoever wins this game wins the gold. Sorry Sweden or Russia. USA 2 Canada 1. GO USA.

I dont know, but isnt Steve Yzerman in charge of the juniors as well for Canada?

Its highly unlikely that Yzerman had more say than Harstburg on team selection.

This team looks more and more like Harstburg's team everyday.

Sorry not a huge fan of his.

I predict Wilson will score a hat trick and the American's will win another world championship with a Winnipeg'er doing the damage (a la Brett Hull).

Just FYI to all those saying USA 'Should' win. Well Vegas doesn't agree, Canada has been favored on every site I've checked. Should be a close game, just wanted to point out that Canada was still favored.

Vegas doesn't know **** about hockey. It's the easiest sport to bet on with the odds they give. If you watch hockey constantly and like to bet you guys should really look into it. Hockey betting has financed many vacations for me and my family.

Maybe they were thinking of Herb Brooks and taking the "right" players, not the "best" players?? :teach:

Well clearly they didn't do that either.

Halischuk, Simmonds, Marchand, Holzapfel, Pyett, Godfrey and Subban have been useless.

I would have liked to see Bernier in goal but I guess this will make it a bit more tense for me tomorrow.

Can we have a show of hands for people calling in sick to work tomorrow?

Personally I don't see the logic of starting Mason, but then again I don't understand much of Hartsburg's logic. I think Canada's weak spot is coaching. Yeah yeah flame me and say that he won gold last year but really with the core they had how could they not. Coaching shines through when you can take a average team and go far. Canada's team is far from average but even though they had 2 shut-outs they seem to be offensively starved. To me that is coaching. Anyways looking forward to tomorrow.

Agreed. He may have won gold last year but that team had a great core from the 06 team returning (which was coached by Sutter to a perfect record and was one of the youngest Canadian teams of all-time). I also don't see the logic in starting Mason. I'll aknowledge I haven't seen him play in more than a handful games but almost everything I've read and heard about him says he's a good-to-great goalie but is prone to letting in an occasional weak one. You can get away with letting in a softy or two against the Finns like Mason did but you CANT get away with it against a team with a talent level like that of the USA. I hope I eat my words but I just don't think Hartsburg made the right call with his goaltender for Friday's game.

Well clearly they didn't do that either.

Halischuk, Simmonds, Marchand, Holzapfel, Pyett, Godfrey and Subban have been useless.When hes played hes played well. They havent even used him on the PP where he dominates in junior. I think something like 23 of his 31 career OHL goals are on the PP.

When hes played hes played well. They havent even used him on the PP where he dominates in junior. I think something like 23 of his 31 career OHL goals are on the PP.

I disagree, from what little I've seen of him, he look timid and unsure. He's taken some bad penalties.

Hickey/Wishart would have made better #7, imo.

I disagree, from what little I've seen of him, he look timid and unsure. He's taken some bad penalties.

Hickey/Wishart would have made better #7, imo.

Wishart struggled a lot in Super Series against a poor Russian team.

Well clearly they didn't do that either.

Halischuk, Simmonds, Marchand, Holzapfel, Pyett, Godfrey and Subban have been useless.

Godfrey is the highest scoring D for Canada and Pyett has beem amazing with his breakout passes..

Yea...But Holzapfel, Simmonds and Subban have been useless.

Well clearly they didn't do that either.

Halischuk, Simmonds, Marchand, Holzapfel, Pyett, Godfrey and Subban have been useless.

I think Halischuk has gotten better every game and I think he'll have a big game against the USA. Made some great plays in his own zone, particularly against Finland that led to odd man rushes. As for the others, I'll agree, they haven't done much of anything productive. 3 of the 7 guys you named play for one of Canada's coaching staff which may or may not be coincidence.

Didn't want to start a thread, but whenever I see Doughty the first comparison that comes to mind is Pitkanen. They seem very similar to me. Anyone agree/disagree?

Anyone have a link other than channelsurfing.net? I can't find it there either.

Anyone have a link other than channelsurfing.net? I can't find it there either.

the game isn't until tomorrow?

Anyone have a link other than channelsurfing.net? I can't find it there either.

USA Hockey has says its tomorrow, but my channel guide on my cable box says today. I dunno whats goin on.

Anyone have a link other than channelsurfing.net? I can't find it there either.

Are you looking for the game between Canada and the US?

USA Hockey has says its tomorrow, but my channel guide on my cable box says today. I dunno whats goin on.

Well it's on tomorrow so that is all you need to know.

Anyone have a link other than channelsurfing.net? I can't find it there either.

What exactly are you trying to find? The semi games are tomorrow, I do not believe any games are on today.

Should of clarrified. I forgot that other links first come out once the game starts, in general channelsurfing.net just does not like to work for me.

Didn't want to start a thread, but whenever I see Doughty the first comparison that comes to mind is Pitkanen. They seem very similar to me. Anyone agree/disagree?

Well, I've seen Doughty play a dozen or so times and Pitkanen probably close to as many as you being fellow Oil fans but I'm not sure I see it. Pitkanen's a world-class skater and while Doughty certainly isn't a poor skater, he's not in Pitkanen's league in that regard. I think the Ray Bourque comparison is bang-on personally. Obviously it'd be quite the challenge to duplicate the career that Ray had but they play pretty similar styles IMO. In addition, there builds are pretty much idential. 6'0'' and pretty stalky guys at around 215-220 (which I expect Doughty will be when he jumps to the N)

Well, I've seen Doughty play a dozen or so times and Pitkanen probably close to as many as you being fellow Oil fans but I'm not sure I see it. Pitkanen's a world-class skater and while Doughty certainly isn't a poor skater, he's not in Pitkanen's league in that regard. I think the Ray Bourque comparison is bang-on personally. Obviously it'd be quite the challenge to duplicate the career that Ray had but they play pretty similar styles IMO. In addition, there builds are pretty much idential. 6'0'' and pretty stalky guys at around 215-220 (which I expect Doughty will be when he jumps to the N)

The difference is that Ray was one of the best defensive d-men in the league on top of all that offense.

Well, I've seen Doughty play a dozen or so times and Pitkanen probably close to as many as you being fellow Oil fans but I'm not sure I see it. Pitkanen's a world-class skater and while Doughty certainly isn't a poor skater, he's not in Pitkanen's league in that regard. I think the Ray Bourque comparison is bang-on personally. Obviously it'd be quite the challenge to duplicate the career that Ray had but they play pretty similar styles IMO. In addition, there builds are pretty much idential. 6'0'' and pretty stalky guys at around 215-220 (which I expect Doughty will be when he jumps to the N)

I wasn't sure with the Pitkanen comparison, thats why I've asked. All I've seen of Doughty is him playing for team Canada, but that goal he set up last game while it happened I was thinking that is exactly how Pitkanen would do it. Calm cool, carry the puck in, go behind the net and set up the goal. I've also seen it from him a few other times where he seems to handle and skate with the puck very well.

I disagree, from what little I've seen of him, he look timid and unsure. He's taken some bad penalties.

Hickey/Wishart would have made better #7, imo.He has one penalty all tournament long. And ofcourse hes unsure. He has like 2 shifts a game. He wants to make sure every play is perfect so he can stay playing.

Canada rains on the U.S. like the resurrection of Katrina and washes/blows away the competition 4-2

Its always been said to be the MAN you gotta beat the MAN. So here is the US chance to do that. This is going to be a close game. I cant believe all the ridiculous posts of the US by like 4 goals or Canada by the same margin. I think whoever wins this game wins the gold. Sorry Sweden or Russia. USA 2 Canada 1. GO USA.

YES, YES!!!!! Underating is excatly that the European teams need! Russia or Sweden will win the gold!:yo::handclap:

YES, YES!!!!! Underating is excatly that the European teams need! Russia or Sweden will win the gold!:yo::handclap:

Do the Russian, and Sweden team members go on hfboards?

Canada always steps up there game against the US so it'll be interesting.

Im feeling the shootout again.

It's gonna be an easy win for USA

5-2 or something like that

Hate to say it but I havent been overly impressed with Canada this year(granted I havent watched the U.S) but Im a little hesitant to doubt them in this game, should be a close game as long as Mason doesnt let in a wrister from the blue line again...Ill say unfortunately 3-2 for the U.S.

It's Canada's game to lose.

don't know whether this was already answered in the previous pages, but...

which team has the home ice advantage? I would suppose the US since they were first in their group, but i'm not sure..

I would prefer to see Bernier in the net, but I don't think goaltending will be the difference in the game.

The difference will be whether Canada's defence is able to contain the big US line. In the unusual position of being the visitors, Canada will lack the ability to match lines, so their shutdown line may not always be matched against the top US line.

Of course, Canada will need to score. Although the goal totals don't bear it out, they have been producing chances but have been at times snakebitten and at times beaten by a hot goaltender.

It's a pick-em game, as far as I'm concerned. Canada has learned its lesson from the Sweden game. I'll take Canada, in regulation, by no more than two.

Does any other Canadian feel like you did in the Olympics in 06 going into the game against the Russians? I knew we could win the game, but I don't feel like we will win the game. No true number one goalie named, lots of guys SHOULD be scoring but nobody really is, lots of guys that SHOULD be punishing the other teams but aren't. Feels the same.

Just my feeling.

Does any other Canadian feel like you did in the Olympics in 06 going into the game against the Russians? I knew we could win the game, but I don't feel like we will win the game. No true number one goalie named, lots of guys SHOULD be scoring but nobody really is, lots of guys that SHOULD be punishing the other teams but aren't. Feels the same.

Just my feeling.

Very similar to that actually. I was more confident in that game even than I am in this one. I really think if the US starts out well, it could get ugly. But, I hesitate to ever dismiss Canadian teams outright, as they always have a shot. I do wish that Bernier was getting the shot in net though.

There was a time not too long ago that the Canada-US rivalry wasn't so strong. This thread is evidence that it is likely the biggest rivalry in hockey today. We need each other to keep pushing each other forward. I'll be lucky enough to be at the game tomorrow, as I was last year, and I fully expect it to be one of the best games, pro or junior, of the season. again.

There was a time not too long ago that the Canada-US rivalry wasn't so strong. This thread is evidence that it is likely the biggest rivalry on HF today.fixed.

don't know whether this was already answered in the previous pages, but...

which team has the home ice advantage? I would suppose the US since they were first in their group, but i'm not sure..

US is the "home" team.

There was a time not too long ago that the Canada-US rivalry wasn't so strong. This thread is evidence that it is likely the biggest rivalry in hockey today. We need each other to keep pushing each other forward. I'll be lucky enough to be at the game tomorrow, as I was last year, and I fully expect it to be one of the best games, pro or junior, of the season. again.


I don't think that a U.S.-Canada Olympic final would be as hyped up in the hockey world as a Russia-Canada final.

This will be a good game. I think Canada will step up and USA will keep up there great play. I see it being a close one. In fact I see this won in a shootout again. Yes, im crazy but im dead serious. In fact I think Canada will win, call me biased all you want, 4-3, in a shootout.

when si the final? Eastern time?

when si the final? Eastern time?

it is at 2pm

when si the final? Eastern time?2PM EST

USA! :handclap:

CANADA!:handclap:

2PM EST

tyvm

working at 4...gonna plug on tsn stream at 4h05!!!

during the habs game..

It's Canada's game to lose.

I really don't see how. The US has been better in the tourney so far.

I really don't see how. The US has been better in the tourney so far.

Cause Canada is the most Talented team. Tough to say US should be favs cause they played better over a 4 game period.

Its kind of like this:

Say the #8 seed beats the #1 seed in the 1st round of the playoffs 4-1.

Now, the #2 seed beats the #7 seed 4-3.

Do you really think the #8 seed would be favored over the #2 seed, just because they played better over the previous handful of games? I don't.

Cause Canada is the most Talented team. Tough to say US should be favs cause they played better over a 4 game period.

Its kind of like this:

Say the #8 seed beats the #1 seed in the 1st round of the playoffs 4-1.

Now, the #2 seed beats the #7 seed 4-3.

Do you really think the #8 seed would be favored over the #2 seed, just because they played better over the previous handful of games? I don't.

Canada is the most talented???? :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: ...they're a buncha freakin grinders...THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!

Canada is the most talented???? :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: ...they're a buncha freakin grinders...THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!

Is that a joke?

Cause Canada is the most Talented team. Tough to say US should be favs cause they played better over a 4 game period.

Its kind of like this:

Say the #8 seed beats the #1 seed in the 1st round of the playoffs 4-1.

Now, the #2 seed beats the #7 seed 4-3.

Do you really think the #8 seed would be favored over the #2 seed, just because they played better over the previous handful of games? I don't.


hahaha! Comedy GOLD.


Try to stay out of reach of any sharp objects if you plan to watch the game tomorrow, sounds like you'll be taking the loss quite hard.



GO USA!

Canada is the most talented???? :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: ...they're a buncha freakin grinders...THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!

You've been trolling around a lot lately.

Canada, while having 5 players that are still draft eligible, and are all slated to go in the 1st round, still has more current 1st round picks than the US.

Is that a joke?

actually I think it's a jab on their inability to create much offence.


That's my guess anyway.

Canada is the most talented???? :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: ...they're a buncha freakin grinders...THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!Said the poster whose favorite team has no Canadians playing in the WJC.

Anyways, I haven't been this stoked for a game in a while. I hope it lives up to it's potential, and for USA to walk out of this game with another victory in hand.

You've been trolling around a lot lately.

Canada, while having 5 players that are still draft eligible, and are all slated to go in the 1st round, still has more current 1st round picks than the US.

yea but the US didn't take some first rounders that they could have.

The winner of this game wins the tournament.

This game is the true Gold Medal Game.

Is that a joke?

read "deekers" response below yours. :teach:

russia/sweden wont be nearly as exciting as this.

go canada

The winner of this game wins the tournament.

This game is the true Gold Medal Game.

NOPE. Silver and bronze to the loser.

The winner of this game wins the tournament.

This game is the true Gold Medal Game.

I'm going to have to disagree w/ you here. The Swedes beat the Canadians fair and square, so I think they should be getting more recognition.

NOPE. Silver and bronze to the loser.

Neither Sweden nor Russia will beat Canada or USA in the Gold Medal Game.

yea but the US didn't take some first rounders that they could have.

Same as Canada.

Not to mention that doesn't change the fact that it still makes Canada more talented.

If you want to go by talent NOT there, I think Canada wins that in a land slide.

I'm going to have to disagree w/ you here. The Swedes beat the Canadians fair and square, so I think they should be getting more recognition.

Canada won't lose to Sweden 2 games in a row, especially considering they kind of handed Sweden the 1st game through laziness, sloppiness, and overconfidence.

Cause Canada is the most Talented team. Tough to say US should be favs cause they played better over a 4 game period.

Its kind of like this:

Say the #8 seed beats the #1 seed in the 1st round of the playoffs 4-1.

Now, the #2 seed beats the #7 seed 4-3.

Do you really think the #8 seed would be favored over the #2 seed, just because they played better over the previous handful of games? I don't.

They might be the most talented team (debatable) but they aren't playing like it. The US is playing like the better team right now. Your seeding analogy is horribly flawed.

If you really want to use the seeding analogy, let's really consider it. Do you ever see the lower seeded team get picked to beat the higher seeded team in the playoffs, because they are playing better? I see it quite often. Do those predictions ever turn out to be true? As a matter of fact, they sometimes do turn out to be true. What a team is seeded is not as important as how they are playing. Team USA has been playing better. If the roles were reversed, you'd most likely be one of the first to point out that Canada was playing better and that would make make them a favorite.

Canada won't lose to Sweden 2 games in a row, especially considering they kind of handed Sweden the 1st game through laziness, sloppiness, and overconfidence.

How do you know they couldn't lose two in a row? That Swedish team is VERY talented. Maybe the Swedes beat them off talent and desire insted of this "laziness, sloppiness, and overconfidence" that you speak of.

hahaha! Comedy GOLD.


Try to stay out of reach of any sharp objects if you plan to watch the game tomorrow, sounds like you'll be taking the loss quite hard.



GO USA!


Lmao, don't worry I will be fine. Your the one that likely won't be around these boards much longer.