Deadline trade

I have a feeling this will happen at the deadline.

To San Jose: Hossa

to ATL: Cheechoo + Prospect and a pick

Cheechoo needs a fresh start somewhere else and I don't see us re-signing Hossa, We might re-sign Hossa for a team and then trade him.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=459652

I have a feeling this will happen at the deadline.

To San Jose: Hossa

to ATL: Cheechoo + Prospect and a pick

Cheechoo needs a fresh start somewhere else and I don't see us re-signing Hossa, We might re-sign Hossa for a team and then trade him.

Hossa is going to get Thornton money. Forget about signing Bernier, Pavelski, Goc and Ehrhoff if this deal goes down, which it won't.

I think the Sharks will land a big name, like Bill Guerin last season.

Hossa is going to get Thornton money. Forget about signing Bernier, Pavelski, Goc and Ehrhoff if this deal goes down, which it won't.

But Hossa is a UFA after this season. You assume the Sharks would re-sign after using him as a rental. They might, they might not, but I don't think DW would mind the problem of deciding who to sign out of Bernier, Pavelski, Goc, Ehrhoff, and Hossa. In fact, DW is likely not to sign him and let him go as he will get a fat contract from a team with money to spend the first day he hits the FA market.

That deal from the Thrashers fan, it does depend on who the prospect is, but most likely I'd do it in a heartbeat. If Hossa was here as a rental, I have faith he would provide much more than Guerin did.

I could definitley see this deal going down. Of course it depends on who the prospect is, but anyone not named Couture and I'm probably jumping on board. Whether or not Hossa walks at the end of the year is inconsequential, he is the type of UFA rental that is absolutely worth it.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=459652

Yea sorry about starting a new thread but I wanted to throw this one out here so we could just discuss Hossa. Hossa is struggling he has never been a - rated player in his entire career. He is not putting the points up like he should and he is not shooting as much as he is suppose to. So whats wrong? I don't know maybe it's the players he is playing around. Hossa was amazing last year so I don't know why he is still in this slump all he is getting is assist and that's not him, he's a true scorer so he really needs to step up his game.

Yes, I can imagine the Sharks would love to pick up Hossa.

But I can't think that Cheechoo would be part of the deal unless part of what was coming the other direction included "future considerations" based on whether Hossa was re-signed.

Cheech still has another 3 seasons, so the Sharks may want similar "length" returning, or some nice juicy 1st rounders (say 2009 when Tavares is eligible).

Yes, I can imagine the Sharks would love to pick up Hossa.

But I can't think that Cheechoo would be part of the deal unless part of what was coming the other direction included "future considerations" based on whether Hossa was re-signed.

Cheech still has another 3 seasons, so the Sharks may want similar "length" returning, or some nice juicy 1st rounders (say 2009 when Tavares is eligible).

A condition that if Hossa walks, the Sharks acquire ATL's 2009 1st would be more than fair IMHO. I think ATL would jump all over that too, considering they get Cheechoo, who is locked up for a while.

To ATL:
Cheechoo
Prospect not named Couture

To San Jose:
Hossa
Conditional 1st if Hossa walks

Looks good to me :)

I'm all for trading cheech, but I don't know if trading him for a rental is the best idea. Especially if the sharks have to add on extra picks/prospects in the deal.

Ouch. Cheechoo is underperforming for sure but I wouldn't give up on him just yet. I really like Hossa and boy would he look good in teal, but not at the expense of Cheechoo. Not for a rental. DW has shown that he doesn't trade away a roster player for a rental.

On the other hand, I don't think Atl would take any less for Hossa, hence we can't afford him. Hopefully he won't end up on a Western conf. team.

I'm all for trading cheech, but I don't know if trading him for a rental is the best idea. Especially if the sharks have to add on extra picks/prospects in the deal.

I think the thinking here is Cheechoo + lower tier prospect, not a blue chipper.

The deal is basically Cheech for Hossa with the condition that if Hossa walks, we get ATL's 1st. The extra prospect is if ATL covets someone that we would easily give up. It just sweetens the deal for them, which I don't mind because it's Hossa.

Deal. Give us Hossa now.

DW has shown that he doesn't trade away a roster player for a rental.


You must have missed the part where Niemenen, a roster player, went to STL for a rental, Guerin. Rivet was practically a rental too (At the time he was a soon to be UFA), and Gorges, another roster player, went to MTL for Rivet.

I know all of you Cheechoo lovers would cry up a storm, but it's Marian freakin Hossa after all, and a condition that we get an ATL 1st round pick if Hossa bolts makes it more than fair.

Hossa is going to get Thornton money. Forget about signing Bernier, Pavelski, Goc and Ehrhoff if this deal goes down, which it won't.

really? you'd rather have those four than hossa?




i have a feeling dw won't do anything major at the deadline

Whoa, I wouldn't trade Cheechoo for Hossa unless we could guarantee Hossa signed for a few years. The conditional 1st in 2009 would be good though, because Atlanta isn't shaping up to be a playoff team, so in 2009 they may be at the bottom of the barrel, hence a #2/3 pick for us :)

There have been several threads on Hossa coming over in some trade. He's one guy I'd really like to see here, though not as a rental. It would be tough signing him though, long term.

You must have missed the part where Niemenen, a roster player, went to STL for a rental, Guerin. Rivet was practically a rental too (At the time he was a soon to be UFA), and Gorges, another roster player, went to MTL for Rivet.

I know all of you Cheechoo lovers would cry up a storm, but it's Marian freakin Hossa after all, and a condition that we get an ATL 1st round pick if Hossa bolts makes it more than fair.

in your dream maybe

Yea sorry about starting a new thread but I wanted to throw this one out here so we could just discuss Hossa. Hossa is struggling he has never been a - rated player in his entire career. He is not putting the points up like he should and he is not shooting as much as he is suppose to. So whats wrong? I don't know maybe it's the players he is playing around. Hossa was amazing last year so I don't know why he is still in this slump all he is getting is assist and that's not him, he's a true scorer so he really needs to step up his game.

The thing I like about Hossa is his two-way play. Even if he's slumping, he still a defensive force. Playing with Joe could bring him around, OR, he might even re-ignite Patty with his playmaking ability. Sounds a little weird, but I think there could be synergy there.

in your dream maybe

Better than your dream that Cheechoo will actually ever be an elite player again (At least here in SJ). He's been quoted this year as saying, "I know I suck." That says it all.

Hossa AND something?

That's funny.

Better than your dream that Cheechoo will actually ever be an elite player again (At least here in SJ). He's been quoted this year as saying, "I know I suck." That says it all.

You can try your "and a condition that we get an ATL 1st round pick if Hossa bolts makes it more than fair" in the Atl board and see if you'll get a warm reception.

You can try your "and a condition that we get an ATL 1st round pick if Hossa bolts makes it more than fair" in the Atl board and see if you'll get a warm reception.

A Thrashers fan came here with the Hossa proposal. Let's see what he/she has to say about the first round pick before we go to enemy territory.

If I were a Thrashers Fan, I wouldn't want Cheechoo because he is garbage. But since they want him, some of you think he isn't "done" yet, he is signed for several more years, and in theory could turn it around in ATL, I think the conditional 1st rounder is more than fair.

really? you'd rather have those four than hossa?


I'd take Bernier + Ehrhoff over Hossa in that situation.

Michalek-Thornton-Hossa

*drools all over keyboard*

Hossa is an 100-point player and is excellent defensively. He's more than worth Cheechoo, any prospect, and a first, which would be in the high 20's.

Ouch. Cheechoo is underperforming for sure but I wouldn't give up on him just yet. I really like Hossa and boy would he look good in teal, but not at the expense of Cheechoo. Not for a rental.

I love Cheechoo, but I'd trade him faster then a heartbeat for Hossa if given the chance.

Michalek-Thornton-Hossa

*drools all over keyboard*

Hossa is an 100-point player and is excellent defensively. He's more than worth Cheechoo, any prospect, and a first, which would be in the high 20's.

including Couture? for half a season of Hossa?

I wouldn't trade Couture for Crosby half-a-season. It's just not worth it.

You have to give to get and Cheechoo + prospect is pretty fair.

really? you'd rather have those four than hossa?

i have a feeling dw won't do anything major at the deadline


The problem is you have to sign a 23-man roster. If you find cap space for Hossa long term, we get a bad case of Lightning Syndrome; Richards, LeCavalier, St. Louis and...who?

In fact, it is even worse because we've got Nabby at $5M and they've got Lundquist at $1M. Forget a top-pairing D, ever. Do you think Pickles and Mitchy are playing for $700K the rest of their careers?

Hossa is short term rental or nothing for the Sharks and someone else can probably offer ATL more for him.

Joe Pavelski, a 1st, and a 3rd for Marian Hossa.

Joe Pavelski, a 1st, and a 3rd for Marian Hossa.

I would definitely do this deal from the Sharks POV, but not sure Atl would bite.

I would definitely do this deal from the Sharks POV, but not sure Atl would bite.

Unless people start believing that Marian Hossa is worth what Peter Forsberg got, then that, to me, sounds about right.

I'd like to see a little more proof that our sharks can go into the play off's deep, maybe a few comfortable wins at home. a few more clean games liek the pred's game last night. I dont want to trade our future so that the sharks can piss themselves when one of them gets checked into the boards.... yes, last year they collasped like a quivvering mess of jello.....


just my thoughts..... cheech is having a bad year but he's got a decent contract.

First off I have to say it would probably take far more than Cheech and a prospect to get Hossa even though he is a rental. I think it is more realistic to do a Marleau + Erhoff + prospect and/or draft picks for Hossa. As far as the problem of resigning our RFA at the end of the season, if we trade Marleau we have the money to resign pretty much all, if not all of the RFA's at the end of the season. Plus in the above trade we don't have to worry about Erhoff anymore. As for the RFA's I care the most about Bernier. I would like to keep Pavs too, but I would not mind so much if we lost one or 2 of them to offer sheets and had some nice draft picks coming back for them cuz DW is money in the draft. If DW can find some way to pull of this deal I would do it in a heart beat minus Couture, Wishart, and Petricky as the potential prospects. If we lose Marleau's contract we could realisticly keep Hossa here playing with Big Joe and who is going to stop that??? My mouth is watering just thinking about it! Come on DW make it happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yo:

I wouldn't trade Couture for Crosby half-a-season. It's just not worth it.

Ya ok buddy.:biglaugh:

Instead of Cheechoo what about Marleau instead? He's something ATL really needs a center I'm sure Don Waddell would include some very good prospect in the deal b/c he's so stupid, just look what he did last yr. Coburn for Zhitnik that deal turned out to be a joke.

Instead of Cheechoo what about Marleau instead? He's something ATL really needs a center I'm sure Don Waddell would include some very good prospect in the deal b/c he's so stupid, just look what he did last yr. Coburn for Zhitnik that deal turned out to be a joke.

Marleau is a centerpiece of a deal if and only if Hossa is signed and trade. Trading Marleau for just a rental is nuts IMHO.

Marleau is a centerpiece of a deal if and only if Hossa is signed and trade. Trading Marleau for just a rental is nuts IMHO.

If we were to discuss a trade for Marleau I'm sure your Gm would want Hossa signed first pending if Hossa likes the deal he is signing and is within your team budget.

If we were to discuss a trade for Marleau I'm sure your Gm would want Hossa signed first pending if Hossa likes the deal he is signing and is within your team budget.

Our GM just signed Marleau to a 2-year extension at a home town discount of $6.3M/yr, which includes a no trade clause. The new contract is effective 01Jul08. That is not the kind of deal you do if you are looking to sign and trade a player.

Although many on this board want Marleau traded because his performance is not up to their high expectations, Doug Wilson will not trade Marleau, for Hossa or anyone else, this season.

Instead of Cheechoo what about Marleau instead? He's something ATL really needs a center I'm sure Don Waddell would include some very good prospect in the deal b/c he's so stupid, just look what he did last yr. Coburn for Zhitnik that deal turned out to be a joke.

I've proposed this one before. The advantage of this over the Cheech/Hossa deal is that it's roughly salary equivilent. The problem for the Sharks is Hossa's UFA status, so there would have to be some kind of sign and deal (as others have said).