updated standings...

Will update as games go on...

Simple format - wins - losses - points. Remember, 3 points for a win.

Anyone know what the first tie breaker is?

Group A

Canada: 2 - 0 - 6
Sweden: 2 - 0 - 6
Czech Republic: 2 - 1 - 6
Denmark: 0 - 2 - 0
Slovakia: 0 - 3 - 0

Group B

Russia: 2 - 0 - 6
USA: 2 - 0 - 6
Finland: 2 - 1 - 6
Switzerland: 0 - 2 - 0
Kazakhstan: 0 - 3 - 0

Top team in each group gets a bye. Bottom two teams go for relegation.

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/feature/?fid=984

Will update as games go on...

Simple format - wins - losses - points. Remember, 3 points for a win.

Anyone know what the first tie breaker is?

Group A

Canada: 2 - 0 - 6
Sweden: 2 - 0 - 6
Czech Republic: 2 - 1 - 6
Denmark: 0 - 2 - 0
Slovakia: 0 - 3 - 0

Group B

Russia: 2 - 0 - 6
USA: 2 - 0 - 6
Finland: 2 - 1 - 6
Switzerland: 0 - 2 - 0
Kazakhstan: 0 - 3 - 0

Top team in each group gets a bye. Bottom two teams go for relegation.

Play offs
a2 vs b3
b2 vs a3

I believe a 3-2-1 format is used thus if a game goes to OT the losing team gets 1 and winning team gets 2.

So the Swiss should have 1 point and the Finland should have 5 points. With the US win they now have 9 points.

Semifinals (most probably) :

USA vs CAN/FIN

SWE vs RUS/CZE

Semifinals (most probably) :

USA vs CAN/FIN

SWE vs RUS/CZE

Sweden still does not have the number 1 seed.If the lose monday then its a 3 way dead lock.

Sweden still does not have the number 1 seed.If the lose monday then its a 3 way dead lock.
Yeah but I think we need to lose big and Canada win big for it to change.

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/feature/?fid=8910

haven't watched much of this tournament so as a dumb question, are these stats including today?

Yeah but I think we need to lose big and Canada win big for it to change.


You're right. I don't think Canada has the offence to blow out Denmark by 10 goals.

You're right. I don't think Canada has the offence to blow out Denmark by 10 goals.

Well, if the danes plays as they did against sweden in the third period, I don't think Canada will have much trouble scoring about ten.

How are ties broken? Goal differential? Goals for? what is it?

What is the tie-breaker in the case of a three-way tie? Goals for or goal differential?

if they all finish 3-1, the Denmark and Slovakia scores will be thrown out, and it will come down to goal differential involving the games between the three tied teams. Right Now Canada is +2, Sweden is +1, and Czech's are -3, in order for the Czech's too win the Group they need to beat Sweden by 6 goals (highly unlikely), or by 2 goals to finish 2nd in the group. Sweden can finish 1, 2, or 3, Canada will finish either 1 or 2, and the Czech's can realisticly only finish 2nd or 3rd in the group.

So if the Czechs beat Sweden (even by a goal) and Canada wins against Denmark (even by a goal) then Canada would be +3, Sweden would be 0, and Czech would be -2, leaving Canada first in the pool?

if they all finish 3-1, the Denmark and Slovakia scores will be thrown out, and it will come down to goal differential involving the games between the three tied teams. Right Now Canada is +2, Sweden is +1, and Czech's are -3, in order for the Czech's too win the Group they need to beat Sweden by 6 goals (highly unlikely), or by 2 goals to finish 2nd in the group. Sweden can finish 1, 2, or 3, Canada will finish either 1 or 2, and the Czech's can realisticly only finish 2nd or 3rd in the group.

So if there is a threeway tie, there is no way sweden can win the group, whatever the scores are in the games?

So if the Czechs beat Sweden (even by a goal) and Canada wins against Denmark (even by a goal) then Canada would be +3, Sweden would be 0, and Czech would be -2, leaving Canada first in the pool?

I don't know how you got 0 for Sweden as they're plus 11 right now and Canada is plus 4!!

Czech has to beat Sweden by like 3 or 4 goals and Canada has to win by like 4 or 5 goals too.....

So let's say Czech beats Sweden by 2 (Hopefully) then Canada would have to win by 5 goals.!!

Finlad will most likely finish 3rd in Pool B and Canada most likely will be second.....I certainly think that Canada can beat Finland!!
GO CZECH!!!!

So if there is a threeway tie, there is no way sweden can win the group, whatever the scores are in the games?

Nope, if they get beat in regulation by the czechs there is no way they can finish first, they would've had to beat Canada by two goals today in order to still finish first with a regulation loss to the czechs.

I don't know how you got 0 for Sweden as they're plus 11 right now and Canada is plus 4!!

Czech has to beat Sweden by like 3 or 4 goals and Canada has to win by like 4 or 5 goals too.....

So let's say Czech beats Sweden by 2 (Hopefully) then Canada would have to win by 5 goals.!!

Finlad will most likely finish 3rd in Pool B and Canada most likely will be second.....I certainly think that Canada can beat Finland!!
GO CZECH!!!!

Games against Denmark or Slovakia get thrown out in the case of a three way tie (only games between the three parties count in the goal differential)

Games against Denmark or Slovakia get thrown out in the case of a three way tie (only games between the three parties count in the goal differential)

Oh.....That's good!

So Czech has to beat Sweden in regulation and Canada has to beat Denmark in regulation in order for Canada to be at #1 Spot, right?

So Czech has to beat Sweden in regulation and Canada has to beat Denmark in regulation in order for Canada to be at #1 Spot, right?

Almost. Czech's have to beat Sweden in regulation by more than one goal.

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/feature/?fid=984

Duh on my part for not checking TSN for the standings. Thanks for the link.

Almost. Czech's have to beat Sweden in regulation by more than one goal.

I'm more confused now...

Do the Czech's have to only win, or do they have to win by two goals for Canada to have a chance at a bye?

Almost. Czech's have to beat Sweden in regulation by more than one goal.Why more than one goal? If the Czechs win by 1, Sweden will be at goal difference of 0, Czech will be -2 and (assuming they beat Denmark) Canada will be a +2.

Why more than one goal? If the Czechs win by 1, Sweden will be at goal difference of 0, Czech will be -2 and (assuming they beat Denmark) Canada will be a +2.

Ya,I think your right.

The Czechs cannot finish first without beating Sweden by 5,right?

I'm more confused now...

Do the Czech's have to only win, or do they have to win by two goals for Canada to have a chance at a bye?

As I understand it the Czech's just have to win with one goal for Canada to go thru as number one.

Ya,I think your right.

The Czechs cannot finish first without beating Sweden by 5,right?
Hypothetically, Canada could lay an egg against Denmark and that game could goto overtime, making the winner of Czech/Swe the winner of the group if it were to end in regulation.

if the Czech's win by 6, giving them the group, who would get second between Swe/Can? Would it goto head to head or follow the 3 way tie procedure?

if the Czech's win by 6, giving them the group, who would get second between Swe/Can? Would it goto head to head or follow the 3 way tie procedure?



After today the czech have 10 gf and canada has 9.Now with canada playing denmark they will get 10 or around that,The czech-swe will likely be a very tight game 2-1.

After today the czech have 10 gf and canada has 9.Now with canada playing denmark they will get 10 or around that,The czech-swe will likely be a very tight game 2-1.

The goals in the Denmark games don't factor into goal differential just the goals in the games between the 3 teams. The only thing that matter in the Denmark-Canada game is that Canada win (which they should).

As for the original question I'm not sure but I would assume that it would then go to head to head and thus the Sweden would get second and Canada get third if that happens.

After today the czech have 10 gf and canada has 9.Now with canada playing denmark they will get 10 or around that,The czech-swe will likely be a very tight game 2-1.

that doesn't answer my question though. The 3 way tie only takes into accounts gf/ga among tied teams. So games against Denmark and Slovakia are discarded. Canada stands at a +2 differential right now and Sweden at +1. Czech's are -3. If Sweden pushes the game to overtime or wins in regulation they take the group, but if the Czech's win hypothetically 6-0 (the minimum score for them to take the group) who would get second? Would Canada gets econd based on their advantage in gf/ga among the 3 or would Sweden get it based on head to head?

The goals in the Denmark games don't factor into goal differential just the goals in the games between the 3 teams. The only thing that matter in the Denmark-Canada game is that Canada win (which they should).

As for the original question I'm not sure but I would assume that it would then go to head to head and thus the Sweden would get second and Canada get third if that happens.

Thank you, that makes the most sense to me as well. As for Denmark/Canada it must be a regulation win for Canada as 2 points will not be enough.

that doesn't answer my question though. The 3 way tie only takes into accounts gf/ga among tied teams. So games against Denmark and Slovakia are discarded. Canada stands at a +2 differential right now and Sweden at +1. Czech's are -3. If Sweden pushes the game to overtime or wins in regulation they take the group, but if the Czech's win hypothetically 6-0 (the minimum score for them to take the group) who would get second? Would Canada gets econd based on their advantage in gf/ga among the 3 or would Sweden get it based on head to head?

I have no idea,to be honest.

I've cruised through a half a dozen different links. Including IIHF.com and I can't find the official tie breaking format anywhere. TSN was reporting that the formula WOULD include games with Denmark and Slovakia,but now I see that article has been changed and it reads as though whoever wrote it doesn't actually know the rules either.

Where is Bob Mackenzie when you need him?

Ok. I finally found something that appears to be official. I can't post it as a link but basically:
...a 3 way tie would be decided by goal differential of the GP's played with those 3 teams.
A 2 way tie would be decided by head to head games.

Good enough?

I have read the IIHF regulations.

If the Czechs win in regulation (and assuming Canada beats Denmark in regulation) then Can, Cze and Swe will be 3-1-0-0 for 9 points. Points in games between the three teams is the first tie breaker, but that doesn't solve anything here. The second tie-breaker is goal difference in games between the three teams. If Cze wins by 1-4 goals in regulation, then Canada finishes first. If Cze wins by more than 5, Cze finishes first. This tie-breaker only decides who finishes first. Once we're down to a two-team tie, the game between the two teams is decisive. So, if Cze wins by more than 5, Cze finishes first, Swe second and Can third because Swe beat Can.

The interesting twist is if Cze wins by 5. In this case, goal difference solves nothing. It's not clear from my reading of the regulations whether Canada would take first because it is only a two-way tie and Can beat Cze, or whether it goes to goals for in games between the three. If it goes to goals for, then if Cze wins 6-1, we're still tied.

I have read the IIHF regulations.

If the Czechs win in regulation (and assuming Canada beats Denmark in regulation) then Can, Cze and Swe will be 3-1-0-0 for 9 points. Points in games between the three teams is the first tie breaker, but that doesn't solve anything here. The second tie-breaker is goal difference in games between the three teams. If Cze wins by 1-4 goals in regulation, then Canada finishes first. If Cze wins by more than 5, Cze finishes first. This tie-breaker only decides who finishes first. Once we're down to a two-team tie, the game between the two teams is decisive. So, if Cze wins by more than 5, Cze finishes first, Swe second and Can third because Swe beat Can.

The interesting twist is if Cze wins by 5. In this case, goal difference solves nothing. It's not clear from my reading of the regulations whether Canada would take first because it is only a two-way tie and Can beat Cze, or whether it goes to goals for in games between the three. If it goes to goals for, then if Cze wins 6-1, we're still tied.

Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that if Cze were to score 5, and be tied with Canada in goal differential, that it would then be a two way tie for 1st and thus revert back to the head to head tie-breaker between Canada and Cze which Canada won 3-0 and thus Canada would get first. In any case I doubt Cze wins by 5 goals, so it's really between Canada and Sweden for the top spot, while the Czech's can only realisticly finish 2nd with a win. What I might find interesting is that if the Czech's are leading late in the game by one goal, let's say for example 3-2, do the Czech's pull the goalie in an effort to get an extra goal and avoid a QF with Russia?

Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that if Cze were to score 5, and be tied with Canada in goal differential, that it would then be a two way tie for 1st and thus revert back to the head to head tie-breaker between Canada and Cze which Canada won 3-0 and thus Canada would get first. In any case I doubt Cze wins by 5 goals, so it's really between Canada and Sweden for the top spot, while the Czech's can only realisticly finish 2nd with a win. What I might find interesting is that if the Czech's are leading late in the game by one goal, let's say for example 3-2, do the Czech's pull the goalie in an effort to get an extra goal and avoid a QF with Russia?

if they are leading 3-2 and get scored on Sweden win the group and the Czech's finish 3rd.

if they are leading 3-2 and get scored on Sweden win the group and the Czech's finish 3rd.

yes, but in order for the Czech's to get 2nd (and avoid Russia in the QF), they need to beat Sweden by two goals, winning by one goal doesn't really do them any good as they'd finish 3rd and face the Russians.

yes, but in order for the Czech's to get 2nd (and avoid Russia in the QF), they need to beat Sweden by two goals, winning by one goal doesn't really do them any good as they'd finish 3rd and face the Russians.

no, my understanding is that in the event of a 3 way tie the Czech's would be second because they would have the head to head over Sweden.

no, my understanding is that in the event of a 3 way tie the Czech's would be second because they would have the head to head over Sweden.

in a 3 way tie everyone has beaten eachother which means no one has a head to head; thus goaldifference will be used.

in a 3 way tie everyone has beaten eachother which means no one has a head to head; thus goaldifference will be used.

yes, but I think once the tie for first has been broken and it goes to Canada it reverts to a 2 way tie meaning Czech's have the ehad to head vs Sweden.

yes, but I think once the tie for first has been broken and it goes to Canada it reverts to a 2 way tie meaning Czech's have the ehad to head vs Sweden.

If all 3 teams are tied in pts. Then goal differential decides ALL seeding,not just the top seed.;)

If all 3 teams are tied in pts. Then goal differential decides ALL seeding,not just the top seed.;)

ok then. should the Czech's do that I could imagine Canada being very disapointed.

The bye isn't as critical this year as it has been in past years. In the past, the semifinal was the day after the quarterfinal, so teams without the bye would have to play back-to-back days, and occasionally three games in three days.

This year, the sked is much friendlier to the QF teams, giving them an extra day break between the QF and the SF.

Don't get me wrong; it's obviously better to have the bye than not, but that extra day between games will lessen the advantage of the bye.

I agree the extra day will help teams playing in the QF this year too, but I still think the winner will come from the teams getting the bye.

My original prediction of Can-USA-Swe is looking possible still, but I really think that if Canada is forced to play Fin in a QF, and then follow that up by playing the US as the "road" team in a SF game that will be heavily about matchups, the medal round string of success against the US may sadly come to an end.

So Sweden and Russia both finish with wins.

Sweden wins group A, already decided that USA won group B. I think everything is decided now...

Quarter-Finals
Canada vs. Finland - early game on Wednesday
Czech Republic vs. Russia - late game on Wednesday

Semi-Finals
USA vs. Canada/Finland
Sweden vs. Czech/Russia

Czech's play the late game if they advance to the semi's as well.

Is that right?

Yes perfect and it's a very interesting scenario!!!

Wow, so assuming Canada can avoid the upset against Denmark, they'll have to beat the Finns, and then beat the Americans before even getting a chance at the Gold medal.

Crazy. Suddenly a 3-4th place finish for Canada doesn't seem like such an unlikely situation.

So it looks like it might be the exact same semi's as last year, right?

So it looks like it might be the exact same semi's as last year, right?

Yeah, I think it will be. The Czechs have played dead most of the tournament, and can't see them coming alive against Russia. Canada should overmatch the Fins. My concern still is playing the US with them having had an extra day off. They'll also be "home" team, as they finished first, and haven't played each other yet, so it defaults back to higher seeding. That could be the game that ends the only "streak" that matters.