Official Drew Miller is worthless thread

Can we send this guy back to the minors or trade him where Ryan Shannon went? Useless x 94945945945959.

These types of players remind me of the good old Pierre Gauthier days.

I hope this thread comes back to bite me but i doubt it.

http://www.allducks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17732

He sure isn't worthless to Haili Todrick

http://www.allducks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17732

He sure isn't worthless to Haili Todrick

God Dirk. I really hope you feel like an *******.

http://www.allducks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17732

He sure isn't worthless to Haili Todrick

He handed her a puck?

I hope the best for that little girl to be honest you could find a similar situation with all hockey players. That doesnt mean he does anything as a player for this team.

God Dirk. I really hope you feel like an *******.

Your telling me Dipenta who gets bashed daily here hasnt done something good this year? He's actively involved in charities but that doesnt make him a good player.
Again my best wishes to the girl.

He handed her a puck?

I hope the best for that little girl to be honest you could find a similar situation with all hockey players. That doesnt mean he does anything as a player for this team.There's an update later in the thread were he describes Miller signing her bear and what it means to her.

http://www.allducks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17732

He sure isn't worthless to Haili Todrick

He may be a nice guy but there's absolutely no reason for him to be playing for Anaheim right now, he belongs in Portland until he can learn how to contribute effectively at the NHL level.

There's an update later in the thread were he describes Miller signing her bear and what it means to her.

and considering that Miller was heavily involved with charity work even before the Ducks, I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a visit in the hospital or something when he hears the story.

I vote for Dirk as worthless!

Miller has no business being in the NHL right now.

Will he be a good NHLer in the future? maybe...but he should be in the AHL right now.

I vote for Dirk as worthless!
I vote for you to go to the Red Wings board you 15 yr old fem/fanboy

Oh come on, just because he is not a scoring powerhouse does not mean he is worthless. He has played well defensively for us, something we need players to do when we keep taking 10,000 penalties each game.

I agree that he is not a good fit, IMO, with the Ducks this season as they already have 4 good defensive forwards in Paulson, Rob, Moan, and Marchant, but that does not mean he is worthless...just redundant.

If he can add about 25-30 lbs of muscle I think he will be a good NHL player, but really he is just too small right now to have an impact. Andy Mac, who is 3 inches shorter out weighs Miller by 20 lbs.

I'd say Miller is somewhat redundent on the team currently because the team already has great checkers. So it wouldn't hurt to send him down. But I do expect him to replace Rob or Travis in a year or two.

I think he's playing more to groom him and less because he's contributing now. The team is going to have big salary problems starting next year, you need young guys constantly coming in to fill in spots at value. There should probably be a rookie or two on the team every year, and Miller is one of the Ducks' most ready prospects. And who would you play instead of him?

I think his detractors underrate his defensive ability, partly because it's more of a positional defensive style rather than a physical defensive style like our current 3rd liners. My only complaint is he needs to bulk up and work on winning more board battles. But since other teams don't play as much of a forechecking style as the Ducks, it's not the worst flaw in the world.

Finally I would just like to add this http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=221550

Miller has no business being in the NHL right now.

Will he be a good NHLer in the future? maybe...but he should be in the AHL right now.

couldn't have put it better myself

I feel compelled to come to Drew's defense.

I can think of at least three times this season when he's made a power move to the net that impressed me, and that's more than I can say for some of our other forwards. Besides, having low-priced guys on the active roster saves us the money we need to afford the high-dollar guys.

Off the top of my head I can count at least four guys on the team who are bigger liabilities to us. The first one's name is Joe.

I vote for you to go to the Red Wings board you 15 yr old fem/fanboy

Internet tough guy Dirky strikes again.

Miller will have an NHL job for years, he is a steady two way player with decent skills and the potential to pot 15-20 goals in this league.

I really am sorry he doesn't turn you on since he isn't a fighter.

Have a good night Dirky - internet tough guy!:sarcasm:

Internet tough guy Dirky strikes again.

Miller will have an NHL job for years, he is a steady two way player with decent skills and the potential to pot 15-20 goals in this league.

I really am sorry he doesn't turn you on since he isn't a fighter.

Have a good night Dirky - internet tough guy!:sarcasm:

What? Maybe in the future, and although I don't think Miller is worthless, I do agree with Dirk in the fact that Miller needs to be in the AHL. Not impressed at this point. Leave Platt and send Miller down.

What? Maybe in the future, and although I don't think Miller is worthless, I do agree with Dirk in the fact that Miller needs to be in the AHL. Not impressed at this point. Leave Platt and send Miller down.

I agree. Miller will be a better fit on the team in a year or two when there'll be a spot for him. As of right now, we need someone who can score, something Miller isn't doing. I wouldn't call him worthless, he's just not ready yet.

I agree. Miller will be a better fit on the team in a year or two when there'll be a spot for him. As of right now, we need someone who can score, something Miller isn't doing. I wouldn't call him worthless, he's just not ready yet.
You're right, we need somebody to score. But I don't think Miller has been on a scoring line for like over a week, since Platt got called up. I think he's mostly been playing on the 4th, with one of May, Parros, or him being scratched. Which is why Dirk is so upset.

Although I'd kind of rather just have him be seasoned in the AHL than to play musical press box. I think he'll be a big part of the team in the near future.

Internet tough guy Dirky strikes again.

Miller will have an NHL job for years, he is a steady two way player with decent skills and the potential to pot 15-20 goals in this league.

I really am sorry he doesn't turn you on since he isn't a fighter.

Have a good night Dirky - internet tough guy!:sarcasm:

You are delusional where did i challenge you to a fight or threaten you? It's obvious anything that anti-Miller seems to strike a nerve just like when Ryan Shannan threads did under your other alias.
15-20 goals and steady steady NHL with 2 way skills? Where are you getting this evaluation? Do you even watch the games?
Keep turning back to the "You only like fighters" lines those are real funny.

Miller isn't worthless to the Ducks but he has no business on the second line. He is already an NHL-ready checker and that'll probably be his role. Which happens to be a problem because we have Robbie and Travis already. But on any given night I could see him in the lineup rather than May if our opponent has a smaller, speedier fourth-line.

In my opinion he won't get much better in the A and is effective in a limited, defensive role here so I have no problem with him on the roster. He'll likely replace Travis or Robbie before next year is over so he might as well get as comfortable with the team as possible. In fact, he reminds me of Moen in the 05-06 season. I also agree that he needs to bulk up a bit more but he won't get much bigger. Him and his brother are skinny guys and there's not a whole lot they can do to bulk up really.

But I like Drew, just keep him away from a scoring line.

Him and his brother are skinny guys and there's not a whole lot they can do to bulk up really.
Can't we just send them to play baseball for the summer? Those guys seem to bulk up for some weird reason.

Can't we just send them to play baseball for the summer? Those guys seem to bulk up for some weird reason.

Yeah thats weird how baseball players bulk up so quickly, they must be extremely hard workers. About Miller, I agree he has some physical maturing to do but at the same time I wouldn't mind seeing him take Moen or Robs spot on the checking line. I haven't been impressed with that line so much this season. at least he can skate with Sammi. Also anyone else think Sammi is primed for 2nd line center next season? I really think with the right wingers he could be a 50-60 point producer. Could you imagine if he had some defensively responsible wingers that could score? A shutdown scoring line!!!!

He's a smart defensive forward with good speed and average skills. I like him. I think a lot of teams would love to have him on their 4th line.

Let me get this straight, Miller should be playing for the Ducks because he's involved in charity work??

At the moment he doesn't add much to Ducks, maybe in few years he can provide more but right now he should be in AHL.

Let me get this straight, Miller should be playing for the Ducks because he's involved in charity work??

At the moment he doesn't add much to Ducks, maybe in few years he can provide more but right now he should be in AHL.

Whenever Parros is involved in charity work his fanboys would be all over it, some of them even use it as their avatar - so why cannot we respect what Milller has accomplished?


Besides, he adds at least as much to the team as May or Parros do and will eventually be a solid 2 way player unlike our two tough guys.

It looks like the other teams could care less wether Parros or May play, it was Selanne and Nieds they feared last year, not the dynamic duo of the wrestling ring.
We are so abysmal that the Oiler are now ahead of us - how will Burke look if they draft ahead of us this summer?


I laugh at folks naive enough to think most NHLers are frightened of Parros. They've experienced more and tougher foes in junior and AHL hockey. Parros is an entertainer for the fans who want to see fights, that is about it. He does his job well, but come playoff time he has a new job - a healthy scratch.:sarcasm:

When playoffs come around this year- if we qualify - Miller would dress over Parros because he is a superior skater and has much more 2 way ability.


May should not have been signed, we could have aquired him in March for 2nd rounder and used him in the playoffs. He's old and his regular season work pales compared to his excellant playoff effort!:yo:

We are so abysmal that the Oiler are now ahead of us - how will Burke look if they draft ahead of us this summer?



You've used the term "abysmal" to describe the Ducks play this season a few times. I'm not sure if you were a fan of the team before their first Cup Finals run, or if you picked them up when Perry came aboard, but if you were then you must have forgotten what a truly "abysmal" team is like. Yes, I know this team is supposed to be a contender, however making the playoffs is the first step, and the team is still in-line to do that, despite sub-par play. Right now the only team that has pulled away from the Ducks is the Wings. Everyone else is within striking distance. Abysmal teams don't keep themselves to within striking distance of the playoffs.

Sorry, just an OT pet peeve of mine. Back to your regularly scheduled fourth-liner bicker-a-thon.

Whenever Parros is involved in charity work his fanboys would be all over it, some of them even use it as their avatar - so why cannot we respect what Milller has accomplished?

Ok, put your money where your mouth is. Show us where someone has claimed that Parros should play for Ducks because he's involved in charity?

Besides, he adds at least as much to the team as May or Parros do and will eventually be a solid 2 way player unlike our two tough guys.

BS. May and Parros provide something that Miller will NEVER be able to do, that's toughness. Miller doesn't bring anything special at this point.

It looks like the other teams could care less wether Parros or May play, it was Selanne and Nieds they feared last year, not the dynamic duo of the wrestling ring.
We are so abysmal that the Oiler are now ahead of us - how will Burke look if they draft ahead of us this summer?.

Funny, where were you last season when Ducks were destroying all their opponents WITH May and Parros in the line-up?

I laugh at folks naive enough to think most NHLers are frightened of Parros. They've experienced more and tougher foes in junior and AHL hockey. Parros is an entertainer for the fans who want to see fights, that is about it. He does his job well, but come playoff time he has a new job - a healthy scratch.:sarcasm:

Hah. List the players tougher foes that Miller has faced in juniors or AHL.

Btw you know what's funny? May averaged more time on ice per game in the play-offs than Miller.

You've used the term "abysmal" to describe the Ducks play this season a few times. I'm not sure if you were a fan of the team before their first Cup Finals run, or if you picked them up when Perry came aboard, but if you were then you must have forgotten what a truly "abysmal" team is like. Yes, I know this team is supposed to be a contender, however making the playoffs is the first step, and the team is still in-line to do that, despite sub-par play. Right now the only team that has pulled away from the Ducks is the Wings. Everyone else is within striking distance. Abysmal teams don't keep themselves to within striking distance of the playoffs.

Sorry, just an OT pet peeve of mine. Back to your regularly scheduled fourth-liner bicker-a-thon.

AMEN. It's a luxury to watch Getzlaf and Perry go to work on defensemen every game. The Ducks could lose 10-0 for the rest of the year, it would still be more entertaining to watch then some of the Pierre Page years.

It's funny how only some of us realize that when may is in the lineup we win. Why does everyone keep bashing may

It's funny how only some of us realize that when may is in the lineup we win. Why does everyone keep bashing may

Because there are still people who think NHL teams operate like your average fantasy league GM and think the ideal team is 12 Pavel Bures and 6 Sergei Gonchars.

May is in the team to provide toughness, experience and veteran leadership. He's much, much more valuable to Ducks than Drew Miller AT THIS POINT.

Parros has only one role in this team and that's to provide toughness and keep opponents from doing anything stupid. And before any fantasy-GM chimes in with the usual "enforcers can't protect our star players", let me just quote Ducks all-time leading scorer who said that he's much more comfortable on the ice when he knows there's a tough guy in his team to keep the opponents honest. And before any of the same fantasy GMs say that's just hockey cliches, it was the same all-time scorer who told Gauthier to get more enforcers to prevent opponents from mauling Ducks players (which resulted in bringing in Grimson and McKenzie).

It's funny how only some of us realize that when may is in the lineup we win. Why does everyone keep bashing may
That's an interesting point. Which member of the 4th line helps the team win? I took a few minutes to do some tallies of the point% gained with each of May, Parros, and Miller in the lineup.

May (28 games): .464
Miller (23 games): .500
Parros (31 games): .548

So actually Parros is the best. Theoretically, the team would win the most with Parros and Miller as the 4th line wings.

Of course there's a lot of other factors in play, such as other roster spots or that the quality of the opponents could be skewed. Also, Miller also spent time on other lines, so if I were really trying to be thorough I'd only count games where the player was on the 4th line.

Ignoring the numbers and just going by what I see in the games, I personally don't think May should be an everyday player, but that Parros should (he's improved a LOT this off-season). May should play whenever the opponent is more physical, and scratched in favor of someone else more defensively responsible (maybe Miller, maybe Sutherby, maybe someone else) whenever the opponent is more of a high-scoring team. Because May can provide toughness and leadership, but he can also be a defensive liability and force other forwards into a heavier workload.

What has this team dropped to when we're saying that Parros is good? Worthy of a 4th line start every game?

I like Parros and respect what he does.

But this guy cant even skate. :biglaugh: Just watch him and wait for him to fall down...he will.

May is like a smaller Parros that can skate a little better.

Can we send this guy back to the minors or trade him where Ryan Shannon went? Useless x 94945945945959.

These types of players remind me of the good old Pierre Gauthier days.

I hope this thread comes back to bite me but i doubt it.

He played good in game 1 of the finals, I remember. Threw a good check to spring a goal, as I recall. v:innocent:v To everyone in this thread arguing about Miller, I couldn't care less who is on our 4th line. We won a cup without a serious 4th line. The problem is we're missing a consistent 2nd line because we're short a scoring line winger. I guess your frustration comes from the fact he's not that guy, but he was never billed to be that guy, really.

Whenever Parros is involved in charity work his fanboys would be all over it, some of them even use it as their avatar - so why cannot we respect what Milller has accomplished?

Really point out where someone made a big deal out of it, go ahead!


Besides, he adds at least as much to the team as May or Parros do and will eventually be a solid 2 way player unlike our two tough guys.

He add toughness? Leadership? Hitting?
2 way players mean scoring and playing good D, Miller does neither wrong again

It looks like the other teams could care less wether Parros or May play, it was Selanne and Nieds they feared last year, not the dynamic duo of the wrestling ring.
We are so abysmal that the Oiler are now ahead of us - how will Burke look if they draft ahead of us this summer?

I didn't know the seasons already over but im sure the fact the Ducks lead the league in fights in the regular season and the playoffs had absolutely nothing to do with its success. Burke and all the sports writers who mention the Ducks are the toughest team and that it helped them go all the way are wrong and some Ryan Shannan/Drew Miller fanboy is right


I laugh at folks naive enough to think most NHLers are frightened of Parros. They've experienced more and tougher foes in junior and AHL hockey. Parros is an entertainer for the fans who want to see fights, that is about it. He does his job well, but come playoff time he has a new job - a healthy scratch.:sarcasm:
I guess you didnt watch the Minn/Ana series, no one says they are scared of Parros but the fact that he is in the lineup makes the other teams checkers aware that if they throw a cheap shot their will be consequences. Im sure Millers provides that right?

When playoffs come around this year- if we qualify - Miller would dress over Parros because he is a superior skater and has much more 2 way ability.:shakehead
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'm pretty sure Carlyle will make sure the 4th line has at least 2 tough players. Maybe Miller will play over Parros vs certain teams but not all. If you had your way our 4th line will be Miller/Krog/Shannon thankfully Carlyle > you. :handclap:



May should not have been signed, we could have aquired him in March for 2nd rounder and used him in the playoffs. He's old and his regular season work pales compared to his excellant playoff effort!:yo:

:shakehead
He has 4 pts same as the great 2 way threat and pretty boy Andrew Miller :yo:

what would it take to get Drew Miller from a Sabres POV?

what would it take to get Drew Miller from a Sabres POV?

bag of pucks?

bag of pucks?

easy dirk...

I bet he could be had for a 4th pick, something around there.

Can't we just send them to play baseball for the summer? Those guys seem to bulk up for some weird reason.

Speaking of which, I can finally type this out loud. I remember at some point last year, I was thinking that assuming PEDs were prominent in the NHL (and honestly, we don't know that they're not), I was wondering which players were the most likely suspects. This is all idle speculation. I don't have any inside information.

Well, the first question I asked was, which player had a the most unusual late-in-life physical resurgence, suddenly putting up remarkable numbers at a later age after a period of decline. It took me less than a second to come up with an answer to that question.

Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it?

(Man, I'm glad this is buried on the Drew Miller thread...)

Speaking of which, I can finally type this out loud. I remember at some point last year, I was thinking that assuming PEDs were prominent in the NHL (and honestly, we don't know that they're not), I was wondering which players were the most likely suspects. This is all idle speculation. I don't have any inside information.

Well, the first question I asked was, which player had a the most unusual late-in-life physical resurgence, suddenly putting up remarkable numbers at a later age after a period of decline. It took me less than a second to come up with an answer to that question.

Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it?

(Man, I'm glad this is buried on the Drew Miller thread...)
Hmm. If I'm thinking of who you're thinking of, you wouldn't just be speculating on numbers but just downright appearances. Like in a particular photo involving a particular piece of hardware. Because he almost looks like one of those bodybuilders (pretty much all of who use steroids).

Well, the first question I asked was, which player had a the most unusual late-in-life physical resurgence, suddenly putting up remarkable numbers at a later age after a period of decline. It took me less than a second to come up with an answer to that question.
Given that he had knee problems that were noticeable in his skating stride pre-lockout. Then took a year off and had knee surgery during the lock out and came back with healthy knees. I feel it had more to do with giving his knees time to heal properly then anything else.

Hmm. If I'm thinking of who you're thinking of, you wouldn't just be speculating on numbers but just downright appearances. Like in a particular photo involving a particular piece of hardware. Because he almost looks like one of those bodybuilders (pretty much all of who use steroids).

No, this was strictly on performance. I'd never seen the player in question with his shirt off prior to this offseason (or if I had, I didn't remember it), and PEDs aren't all muscle-builders, and hockey players are all super-fit anyway. If Pronger suddenly took steroids, for instance, I'm not sure I'd be able to tell.

I'm just saying, if you were looking for candidates, he'd have to be on the list just because of circumstantial evidence, right? Just sayin'.

Given that he had knee problems that were noticeable in his skating stride pre-lockout. Then took a year off and had knee surgery during the lock out and came back with healthy knees. I feel it had more to do with giving his knees time to heal properly then anything else.

Oh, I know the given reasons, and I'm not saying that wasn't the case. But those were pretty f'ing remarkable years for his age, healthy knees and all.

This is just getting ridiculous, Miller is not that bad. I think a poll would show the majority of people here think Miller is doing fine in his role.

This is just getting ridiculous, Miller is not that bad. I think a poll would show the majority of people here think Miller is doing fine in his role.

I am on the he is worthless bandwagon.

Drew Miller is far from a worthless hockey player, but that doesn't mean he belongs on the NHL roster right now. He's got 23 games under his belt and now its time to send him down to work on his development.

McDonald got 16 games in his first NHL season. Kunitz got 21. This is a pretty normal progression for a young player out of college.

No, this was strictly on performance. I'd never seen the player in question with his shirt off prior to this offseason (or if I had, I didn't remember it), and PEDs aren't all muscle-builders, and hockey players are all super-fit anyway. If Pronger suddenly took steroids, for instance, I'm not sure I'd be able to tell.

I'm just saying, if you were looking for candidates, he'd have to be on the list just because of circumstantial evidence, right? Just sayin'.
Actually, funny thing. My first thought was apparently not who you're talking about. It involves another guy from a past winner who also had a big renaissaince at an advanced age. Also with a shirtless photo. But your guy was the 2nd guy I thought of.

And my point was less a before-and-after thing because I also hadn't seen either of them pre-lockout. So I can't tell if there was a Barry Bonds-like bulk up. Just that I feel like hockey players tend to be very fit but not ripped like these 2 are.

But I guess you're also right that hockey drugs would probably be something other than steroids.

What I ask is what has Miller done wrong specifically? I wouldn't put him in the worthless category simply because he plays a smart game and doesn't make many mistakes. It was a mistake trying to put him in a scoring role. But when he had to fill in on the checking line he didn't look out of place at all. He's also a natural penalty killer which a great asset.

Does he have a lot of room to grow? Absolutely. Is he hindering this team at all being on the roster? No way because he can step in any time and give a good effort. He'll grow into a regular on this team but he's not there now but I don't think being in Portland will necessarily speed that along.

yes or no

Yes, he needs more time.

yes, Miller has yet to create a niche or role to build on. Not offensively skilled enough for the scoring lines and not strong enough in the corners to be a reliable fixture in the checking lines. It doesn't help the Ducks have trouble scoring.

I have heard many posters saying he needs to bulk up. I agree with this, but i dont think he can grow additional weight. I saw in a interview somewhere asking him about his lanky frame and he responded saying he tried many times. So who knows.....

why not give Platter some more playing time unstead of him???

Yes, but not because he has performed poorly, we just don't need another defensive forward.

Yes. He needs 1) Playing time 2) To get stronger (he doesn't even have to gain much weight so much as improve strength in the corners) and 3) Hopefully polish some offensive ability (play in all situations).

Unless there's somebody who can replace him (i.e. not be a liability), he's not hurting us. He shouldn't be seeing time on the second line or power play, mind you, but a little time on the Ducks this year won't hurt if we need him to step into a bigger role next season.

EDIT: Maybe Platt can fill this role?

i'd send dipenta first. :sarcasm:

He'll grow into a regular on this team but he's not there now but I don't think being in Portland will necessarily speed that along.

Playing 20 minutes a game in all situations vs sitting in the press box? No question in my mind that Portland would do him a world of good.

Well its not like you can send May down. It won't benefit Dipenta to be down there, you can make the case he isn't getting much playing time and is still very young, but I thought he played very well against Buffalo which is the last time he really got significant playing time. He has heart, he will hit people, isn't scarred to get hit, is a very smart player, especially for his age, plays positionally sound and is somewhat physically skilled. So does he belong in the NHL? He belongs in the NHL. Does he have a space on this roster right now to be warrant him being up without getting that much ice time? No (especially with Bobby Ryan now up and Sutherby coming back), but its not the fault of how he's playing.

Unless there's somebody who can replace him (i.e. not be a liability), he's not hurting us. He shouldn't be seeing time on the second line or power play, mind you, but a little time on the Ducks this year won't hurt if we need him to step into a bigger role next season.

EDIT: Maybe Platt can fill this role?
I'm with this. Yeah, he needs seasoning but he can get it here, and there are no great alternatives. Once he get's major league strength we'll have a better guage of what he can do.

Where's option C: Who the **** cares. It's Drew ****ing Miller. Keep him up, send him down, dress him like Dorothy with ruby slippers and sit his ass in the pressbox for all I care. He is not the problem with why this team is sucking ass more.

What's with the weird fixation? Somebody try to quit smoking and need a new fix or something?

See, I was going to post pretty much that exact thing, but then I thought "nah, I've been too much of a downer lately."

Thank you, Jezz. You're my conscience.

Playing 20 minutes a game in all situations vs sitting in the press box? No question in my mind that Portland would do him a world of good.

I'm not a big proponent of that theory, well not for every player at least. If a guy isn't ready for the bigs than he needs more time. I think Drew is an NHL player but we have guys in front of him that play his role. But he's totally capable of stepping when needed. And when it comes down to it, the AHL isn't the NHL. You're still learning and getting familiar with the locker room and getting comfortable with the team even though you don't play every day. Even than I feel there's many situations where Drew is a better choice for a spot in the game rather than May or Parros on some nights. He's a good utility player and I don't see the A really improving on that for him at this stage. Being with the club this long, I think it'd set him back personally.

What's with the weird fixation? Somebody try to quit smoking and need a new fix or something?

Because we need something to argue about. HFBoards are a haven for us armchair GM's and topics like these are our favorite to debate about. I mean you can only point out how bad our special teams are and so-and-so isn't scoring enough and we take too many penalties only so much.

Yes because because he is currently providing nothing and theres way too much he needs to work on. Carter at least throws hits and is a much better defender. He also isn't built like Kate Moss.

Wouldn't really call Carter a much better defender. There's not much to choose from between them in that regard.

I honestly haven't even noticed Carter when he plays. He's one of those anonymous borderline NHL players we have, or have had...Carter, Miller, Hartigan, Mowers, Oksiuta, Ferner.

Costanza.

I honestly haven't even noticed Carter when he plays. He's one of those anonymous borderline NHL players we have, or have had...Carter, Miller, Hartigan, Mowers, Oksiuta, Ferner.

Costanza.
Ryan Shannon

Yeah. That's another one. There's quite a few like that around the NHL. They're like 10 million times better than me, but borderline NHL players.

Ryan Shannon
No. Ryan Shannon was legitimately bad. He was weak, and provided neither offense nor defense. And he was a turnover machine. He needed more time in the AHL develop something, anything. Offense, defense, strength. Anything.

Carter hits every once in awhile but doesn't really do anything else, and he's certainly NOT a good defender (decent for a rookie, sub-par for a normal player). Hartigan and Mowers basically did nothing, your standard 4th line do nothing. Miller provides decent-for-an-NHL-player defense, but not much else.

I don't even remember Oksiuta other than the name. And the nickname "the Ox". Shows how little he brought.

See, I was going to post pretty much that exact thing, but then I thought "nah, I've been too much of a downer lately."

sounds like someone's getting the Christmas spirit......

Yes, Miller shouldn't be playing with the Ducks right now. Problem is, Anaheim is kind of running out of offensive depth in Portland. The Ducks have certainly tried a decent amount of players on the Pirates roster.

I don't even remember Oksiuta other than the name. And the nickname "the Ox". Shows how little he brought.

I remember him being offside a whole lot. Then again, I saw him like, three times maybe.

I think Miller could be NHL ready, but there's not really an open spot for him right now. I'd sooner see him in the AHL where he'd at least get some playing time, as opposed to just sitting in the press box not doing anything. I personally think he'd be a great fit on a future shutdown line.

I don't even remember Oksiuta other than the name. And the nickname "the Ox". Shows how little he brought.

When this guy was brought in by the Ducks, he was supposed to be the second coming. He alone was going to tun this club into a contender.

I guess him, Ted Drury, Gary Valk and others were world class at the time.:shakehead

Edit: I forgot Joe Sacco

sounds like someone's getting the Christmas spirit......
Yeah. I'm thinking about giving Sojourn a farthing to buy a fat goose for his goodly wife.

<insert crack about Millers' bones being less worthless than Mays' here>

this was a stupid thread when it only had one post.

It's still a stupid thread at page 3 :shakehead

Hey, You guys can have the Niedermayers, I will take him to play in front of his brother in Buffalo and have you guys regret moving him and I think Parros is more worthless.

Hey, You guys can have the Niedermayers, I will take him to play in front of his brother in Buffalo and have you guys regret moving him and I think Parros is more worthless.

haha... you can leave now

Hey, You guys can have the Niedermayers, I will take him to play in front of his brother in Buffalo and have you guys regret moving him and I think Parros is more worthless.
Nice grammar :biglaugh:

He would fit perfect with all the skinny little smurfs and on the Sabres team.

He isn't a bad player and he has good defensive awareness. He just needs some more seasoning in the AHL to develop his offensive game a bit more.

The guy's still quite young, and great defensively. I don't see how he's worthless. His hard work came in handy during the SCF, when he actually played a game or two and made an impact, unlike our favorite enforcer.

I wonder why people would want him gone, as he'll be a valuable defensive asset in the future once he gets some conditioning in the AHL. And then I remember it's mostly guys like Dirk and Pepper calling for his head, the same types who thought losing Pahlsson would be a good idea. Remember, you two, toughness isn't everything.

All I can say is that I'm glad people who want to see Drew Miller gone aren't running the team.

You should really learn to read.

I wanted him to be sent to AHL to get more icetime & confidence, I didn't want to see him traded.

And I called Pahlsson out for his lack of offensive production which was the case until the olympics 2006. I said he would be better on the 4th line, I also said we need more offensive production from our 3rd line. Pahlsson upped his offensive game dramatically post-olympics and I never had a problem with him after that.

Toughness isn't everything but it was one of the main reasons why we won the cup.

I'm glad that people like you who liked Disney's mickey mouse club with zero toughness aren't running the team.

IToughness isn't everything but it was one of the main reasons why we won the cup.

I'm glad that people like you who liked Disney's mickey mouse club with zero toughness aren't running the team.

The reason we won the cup was top goaltending, 2 strong lines and a great defense.

We still have that "toughness" this season, probably more so than last year yet we are mediocre because the talent level of the team dropped.

We beat Ottawa because of the play of players like Nieds, Mac and Perry. Parros is a great entertainer and had lovely hair but was irrelevant in the playoffs.

If you think NHLers read our lineup and shudder with fear because Parros or May are dressed than you should give yourself a shake. They have played against tougher and better players throughout their careers whether it be AHL, OHL or midget AAA hockey.:)

The reason we won the cup was top goaltending, 2 strong lines and a great defense.

The reason we won the cup was the fact that we hammered the opposition every shift making them tired and scared. This was most evident against Ottawa.

If you think NHLers read our lineup and shudder with fear because Parros or May are dressed than you should give yourself a shake. They have played against tougher and better players throughout their careers whether it be AHL, OHL or midget AAA hockey.:)

You keep repeating that mantra over and over again but you haven't given any evidence to support your feeble argument. Who are the tougher players in AHL and OHL you keep talking about? If you can't answer the question, **** & GTFO.

FACT is that players play with more confidence when they know that they have tough guys looking out for them. Selanne for example has said that repeatedly.

You should really learn to read.

I wanted him to be sent to AHL to get more icetime & confidence, I didn't want to see him traded.

And I called Pahlsson out for his lack of offensive production which was the case until the olympics 2006. I said he would be better on the 4th line, I also said we need more offensive production from our 3rd line. Pahlsson upped his offensive game dramatically post-olympics and I never had a problem with him after that.

Toughness isn't everything but it was one of the main reasons why we won the cup.

I'm glad that people like you who liked Disney's mickey mouse club with zero toughness aren't running the team.

I think I was referencing more to Dirk when I talked about those who thought nothing of Miller, hence him naming the thread "Drew Miller is worthless", but to each his own.

And, Pahlsson's offensive game has not magically gotten much much better since the early parts of 05-06. It's most certainly better, but he still doesn't produce much offensively. What stays consistant, though, is his shut-down defense, and it has since probably 03-04 or so. Putting him anywhere other than his third line shut down role was stupid right from the get go, whether he was good offensively or not.

And, hey, I'm not some Disney guy who doesn't value toughness. I loved the Fedoruk trade, and love it when they get aggressive. That being said, only an idiot would think Shane Hnidy is better than Kent Huskins right now. I thought it at first, I'll admit it, but Husk has greatly improved over the last couple months, and is clearly a better defenseman. He might not be a better with with Schneider, but he definetely is higher on the depth chart than Hnidy.

I don't think I've ever said that Hnidy's ahead of Huskins.

I think Hnidy is better than DiPenta though.

I don't think I've ever said that Hnidy's ahead of Huskins.

I think Hnidy is better than DiPenta though.

Really? Was that Dirk too? Damn, I get you two confused all the time, then.

You should really learn to read.
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I'm glad that people like you who liked Disney's mickey mouse club with zero toughness aren't running the team.
For someone who likes to comment about other peoples reading ability you should note that no one has said anything about wanting zero toughness. People have just commented that toughness is not everything.

I think we need a Drew Miller is worthless thread is a worthless thread thread.

The reason we won the cup was top goaltending, 2 strong lines and a great defense.

We still have that "toughness" this season, probably more so than last year yet we are mediocre because the talent level of the team dropped.

We beat Ottawa because of the play of players like Nieds, Mac and Perry. Parros is a great entertainer and had lovely hair but was irrelevant in the playoffs.

If you think NHLers read our lineup and shudder with fear because Parros or May are dressed than you should give yourself a shake. They have played against tougher and better players throughout their careers whether it be AHL, OHL or midget AAA hockey.:)

No way does this team have the toughness it had last year. Carlyle even said he had to change the game style the team plays a little bit because of the change of personell. However, I do think the team is starting to get tougher again, probably because the team is almost completely healthy, and Nieds is back so the team can complete their checks, and Scotty can give them the time to get back in their zone. However, they are still not where they were last year in terms of physicalness.

I agree Parros was invisible in the playoffs, with the exception of the Minnesota series, but he has increased his level of play tremendously this season so I think he will be a much bigger factor in this years playoffs, if we're able to be there.

Defense and goaltending were a big part for us last year, but toughness was as well. It was just as important as the other two last year.

I think the reason teams are having more success against the Ducks then they did last year is because they know the Ducks are going to be physical so they know they have to be physical against the Ducks from the start. Good example would be the last two Sharks games.

Defense and goaltending were a big part for us last year, but toughness was as well. It was just as important as the other two last year.
I do not think that anyone is arguing that toughness is not important, I think it is very important in winning as well as in excitement watching the game. But you are not seeing "Official Parros is worthless thread", instead we are seeing this thread and many comments about our other defensive forwards like Rob and Marchant. While I agree that their contribution to the Ducks winning is not as easily seen as Perry's or Parros' contribution, but it is nonetheless there.

Miller's problem, IMO, is that he is not being asked to be a shut down player because we have our shut down slots filled already. Instead he is being asked to be a scoring forward and that is just not his game. If we trade someone on our shut down line or Marchant, Miller will make a better fit with the Ducks (I am not asking for anyone to be traded, just saying he would fit better if someone was).

I do not think that anyone is arguing that toughness is not important, I think it is very important in winning as well as in excitement watching the game. But you are not seeing "Official Parros is worthless thread", instead we are seeing this thread and many comments about our other defensive forwards like Rob and Marchant. While I agree that their contribution to the Ducks winning is not as easily seen as Perry's or Parros' contribution, but it is nonetheless there.

Miller's problem, IMO, is that he is not being asked to be a shut down player because we have our shut down slots filled already. Instead he is being asked to be a scoring forward and that is just not his game. If we trade someone on our shut down line or Marchant, Miller will make a better fit with the Ducks (I am not asking for anyone to be traded, just saying he would fit better if someone was).

I never said Miller was worthless, and I said at the start of this thread that this thread was not needed, but I pointed out the toughness team to London because he said we are as tough, if not more tough then last year, which is completely wrong.

Also, Marchant is not on the shutdown line. Miller could be OK if he got bigger, and he wouldn't be bad on the shutdown line, but I don't think he brings as much as Moen and R.Niedermayer. Moen and R.Niedermayer hit and cycle as well as play great defensively. Miller is a solid defensive player, but I really think he needs to bulk up before he takes that roll. That's why I think Sutherby gets the spot if Moen or R.Niedermayer get hurt.

God, I don't need to hear about Booger farthing.

Merged the two threads about the uber-talent that is Drew Miller into one titanic thread.

I don't think anything about Drew Miller can be super. Except maybe his lankiness.

Seriously, why is there so much argument about a nothing spot. It's not like 4th line wing ever plays enough to have much of an effect positive or negative.

The reason we won the cup was top goaltending, 2 strong lines and a great defense.

We still have that "toughness" this season, probably more so than last year yet we are mediocre because the talent level of the team dropped.

We beat Ottawa because of the play of players like Nieds, Mac and Perry. Parros is a great entertainer and had lovely hair but was irrelevant in the playoffs.

If you think NHLers read our lineup and shudder with fear because Parros or May are dressed than you should give yourself a shake. They have played against tougher and better players throughout their careers whether it be AHL, OHL or midget AAA hockey.:)

Post the 4th line you would dress if you where coach? :biglaugh:
So do you think toughness had anything to do with the Ducks going all the way last year? If so what percentage?
So Parros was irrelevant in the Minn. series when he kept Boogard from doing anything stupid?
Brian Burke >>>>>>>>>> Euro loving Disney pom pom tinkerbell
aka:LondonKnightsCrew

"We're never going to play without a heavyweight [because] I need to provide a fear-free environment for my skill guys," says Brian Burke, Anaheim's G.M. "But the main reason we have a lot of fighting majors is that we're committed to a style that leads to [fights]. We prize contact. If you forecheck and bang like we do, sometimes [opponents] turn around and you have to answer the bell. I won't apologize for that.... In our bottom six forwards, we look for the requisite level of pugnacity, truculence, belligerence, hostility and testosterone."

:naughty:

Also, Marchant is not on the shutdown line.
I never said he was, but he is a staple of our PK system and one hell of a good defensive player.

For someone who likes to comment about other peoples reading ability you should note that no one has said anything about wanting zero toughness. People have just commented that toughness is not everything.

It was a sarcastic remark directed towards McLovin who threw a similar hyperbole at me.

Toughness isn't everything but nobody can deny the fact that toughness was a HUGE part of Ducks SC victory.

I don't know if I would say Miller is "worthless", but the play of Carter, and Ryan in the last few games makes him seem rather..... "redundant". Especially when we really do have enough players who can play defensively. R. Neids, Moen, Pahlsson, Marchant, Getzlaf, (supposedly) Weight.... 'nuff said.

It was a sarcastic remark directed towards McLovin who threw a similar hyperbole at me.

Toughness isn't everything but nobody can deny the fact that toughness was a HUGE part of Ducks SC victory.


SKILL was a huge part of our Stanley Cup victory,hard skating physical play from the likes of Rob Nieds, Sammy,Moen and a couple of our Dmen was just as important if not more so.

Toughness? If by that you mean intimidation then I assure you that zero NHLers are running for the streets if they read that George Parros is dressed for a game. In fact, they probably hope their coach is smart enough to get them on the same shift so they can take advantage of his foot speed - or lack of it...

SKILL was a huge part of our Stanley Cup victory,hard skating physical play from the likes of Rob Nieds, Sammy,Moen and a couple of our Dmen was just as important if not more so.

Toughness? If by that you mean intimidation then I assure you that zero NHLers are running for the streets if they read that George Parros is dressed for a game. In fact, they probably hope their coach is smart enough to get them on the same shift so they can take advantage of his foot speed - or lack of it...

In case you missed it the first time

:)

"We're never going to play without a heavyweight [because] I need to provide a fear-free environment for my skill guys," says Brian Burke, Anaheim's G.M. "But the main reason we have a lot of fighting majors is that we're committed to a style that leads to [fights]. We prize contact. If you forecheck and bang like we do, sometimes [opponents] turn around and you have to answer the bell. I won't apologize for that.... In our bottom six forwards, we look for the requisite level of pugnacity, truculence, belligerence, hostility and testosterone."

I never said he was, but he is a staple of our PK system and one hell of a good defensive player.

I agree about Marchant, but the bottom line is that there is no room for Miller on this team right now. IMO, Carter has played much better on the 4th line these last two games then Miller ever has. Send him down and let him bulk up and better his game, then maybe next year he gets a shot, but not now.

SKILL was a huge part of our Stanley Cup victory,hard skating physical play from the likes of Rob Nieds, Sammy,Moen and a couple of our Dmen was just as important if not more so.

Toughness? If by that you mean intimidation then I assure you that zero NHLers are running for the streets if they read that George Parros is dressed for a game. In fact, they probably hope their coach is smart enough to get them on the same shift so they can take advantage of his foot speed - or lack of it...

I don't mean this as an insult or an attack, but have you seen Parros play this season? He's not this terrible liability. He's not Garrett Burnett. He can actually play, he's probably the most improved player on the roster (along with Kent Huskins) from last season.

And skill was a huge, if not the main reason we won the Cup. But without the Parros', the May's, the other teams would just push us around. Much like what happened to Kariya and Selanne during the Disney years. NHLers may not be running for the streets when they see Parros, but they sure as hell have to answer up to him.

Wow, debating on WHY we won the cup...

I click box E: ALL OF THE ABOVE

Toughness (on the forecheck, on D, and when someone just needed a shot to the head) :o, skill, intelligence, chemestry, luck, Marchant's shirt, cry-baby goalies raising their arms for fouls, Aaron Rome, me eating the same damn thing, at the same damn time left in the periods, in the same damn 'lucky outfit' at 12 home games straight.

Without any of it we may not have won. It was all a factor and leaving any of it out, including my hot (sometimes cold) pretzel with 6 minutes left in the 2nd period, might have changed things.

Oh yeah Huskins > Hnidy.

Wow, debating on WHY we won the cup...

I click box E: ALL OF THE ABOVE

Toughness (on the forecheck, on D, and when someone just needed a shot to the head) :o, skill, intelligence, chemestry, luck, Marchant's shirt, cry-baby goalies raising their arms for fouls, Aaron Rome, me eating the same damn thing, at the same damn time left in the periods, in the same damn 'lucky outfit' at 12 home games straight.

Without any of it we may not have won. It was all a factor and leaving any of it out, including my hot (sometimes cold) pretzel with 6 minutes left in the 2nd period, might have changed things.

Oh yeah Huskins > Hnidy.

:biglaugh: too funny!

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