TRADE: Doug Weight, Michal Birner and a 7th Rounder for Andy Mac

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=11836 (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=11836)

Don't really know what to think of this. I mean, it is Mac... :(

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=11836

Don't really know what to think of this. I mean, it is Mac... :(

Holy crap burke got bent over if true...

Ouch......

We're all VERY satisfied at the Blues board! (no troll intended)

I love how all the Edmonton fans are first to reply in here.

They've got your first, deal with it, they will end up drafting Stamkos when all is said and done.

But I thought, Oilers were going to win the cup? :sarcasm:

but I thought, Oilers were going to win the cup? :sarcasm:

There must be another deal coming soon...a defenseman for maybe another forward....What does Weight make...?

I take it Anaheim fans aren't really happy with this deal? :dunno:

Weight's no stiff, guys. You'll be happy with his leadership, and he's still one of the better playmakers and set-up men in the game. Personally, I'm sorry to see him go from St. Louis... but I am also looking forward to seeing what Andy McDonald can do for the Blues.

I don't think anyone got "bent over" at all on this trade.

Good luck, and best wishes.

P_B

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I take it Anaheim fans aren't really happy with this deal? :dunno:

Weight's no stiff, guys. You'll be happy with his leadership, and he's still one of the better playmakers and set-up men in the game. Personally, I'm sorry to see him go from St. Louis... but I am also looking forward to seeing what Andy McDonald can do for the Blues.

I don't think anyone got "bent over" at all on this trade.

Good luck, and best wishes.

P_B

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First off, come on Edmonton fans.

Secondly, thanks PB. Personally, I am just sad because Andy Mac has been with the Ducks a long time and has always been a trooper for them. Always gave a 100 percent. His numbers have taken a drop this season, but the effort has still been there.

Dont understand this. Our team needs speed more than anything. Andy, without Selanne, wasnt as effective, but for Weight??? If my memory serves right, Weight just got his first goal recently and we are basically in the midpoint of the season. Our team needs scorers!!!

I can see why Burke did this all the way out here in Montreal.

He is called Corey Perry.
Burke just freed up 3.3 mil for next year so Burke is that much closer to offering Perry a long term contract.

I love how all the Edmonton fans are first to reply in here.

They've got your first, deal with it, they will end up drafting Stamkos when all is said and done.

Havn't looked at the standings lately eh? Also note we're tied with the leafs, and only 2 games ahead.

As for the deal itself, it's a good one in the sense that they can now sign perry long term and andy mac clearly wasn't the same without selanne. You do have to wonder who's going to be Anaheim's #1 center next year though.

Anaheim's horrific offense just got alot worse!

Havn't looked at the standings lately eh? Also note we're tied with the leafs, and only 2 games ahead.

As for the deal itself, it's a good one in the sense that they can now sign perry long term and andy mac clearly wasn't the same without selanne. You do have to wonder who's going to be Anaheim's #1 center next year though.

Getzlaf basically already was our #1 center. Now, he definitely is.

But yah, offense is a problem.

First off, come on Edmonton fans.

Secondly, thanks PB. Personally, I am just sad because Andy Mac has been with the Ducks a long time and has always been a trooper for them. Always gave a 100 percent. His numbers have taken a drop this season, but the effort has still been there.

You just described Weight to a tee.

I take it Anaheim fans aren't really happy with this deal? :dunno:

Weight's no stiff, guys. You'll be happy with his leadership, and he's still one of the better playmakers and set-up men in the game.

It has been at least 10 years since that was true (the last time he had 53+ assists he was an Edmonton Oiler). I mean I love Dougie a ton and miss him but that statement seems a little over the top.

As a side note, who do you think Weight will play with?

I imagine St. Louis will put together a line of Kariya-McDonald-Boyes.

I am bit surprised McDonald was not dealt out East.

Sad to see Andy go, allthough he has struggled a bit without Teemu (big surprise). Hope he has a great career elsewhere and maybe back in Anaheim in a few years.

this is the first Burke trade/decision i dont agree with. But you may want to look at it this way was Andy Mac great season more of a product of Selanne?
Bertuzzi/Weight/Selanne is a hell of a 2nd line if it happens.
We'll see what happens but not sure how i feel.

Sad to see Andy go, allthough he has struggled a bit without Teemu (big surprise). Hope he has a great career elsewhere and maybe back in Anaheim in a few years.

Don't understand why you guys didn't deal from a position of strenght, defense and instead dealt from a position of weakness, forward.

Weight is 36 years old and he can walk next year. Ducks are now out McDonald, Penner and Selanne and next year minus Weight, who will probably retire or go back to the Blues.

wth....

I see Weight as Brad May with better hands which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I like the leadership and experience he'll bring and I'm sure he'll chip in his fair share offensively.

This solves the Niedermayer problem but not the Perry one. So what I wonder is: does Burke stick with this group and have the sickest defense I've ever seen but simultaniously risk losing Perry by years end? Having Schneider and Scotty on the books for next year, even without Mac's contract, makes it damn-near impossible for Burke to re-sign Perry before July 1st. I don't know if this is the only deal but it could be for now.

Makes perfect sense to me, guys. I like Andy as a person but he couldn't find the net this year, even after 30 games. Now he can go skate with short turncoat who was once our captain.

This is a huge win for Burkie. He dealt away an expensive underperformer for a cagey vet who will be a UFA at season's end. That gives us money for Scotty and Perry. We have to look at it in these terms:

St. Louis
Andy MacDonald

Anaheim
Scott Niedermayer (for this season)
Corey Perry (for next season and beyond)
Doug Weight

Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Don't understand why you guys didn't deal from a position of strenght, defense and instead dealt from a position of weakness, forward.

Weight is 36 years old and he can walk next year. Ducks are now out McDonald, Penner and Selanne and next year minus Weight, who will probably retire or go back to the Blues.

All very true, which is why i expect another trade to follow. No NHL-team needs this:

S.Neds-Beauch
Schneider-Pronger

as a top-4. It's overkill.

Are the Blues paying most of weight's salary?
Weight makes 3.5 Mac makes 3.3

Hmm. There seem to be a couple different Blues sources, so it might be true.

Weight's a good acquisition. He is probably a better fit with Bertuzzi and Kunitz/whoever else gets put there than McDonald. And like I said before, McDonald's in a tough spot because it'd be cheaper to replace him with another center to make that line work than to find a speedy winger to make that line work with Andy. The team was at a stylistic crossroads, and Burke just decided to forgo a speedy, skilled line for a more rough, puck possession type line.

I'm just surprised a) there isn't a mid-level pick or prospect coming back since Weight is going to be gone next year b) that this trade is happening NOW, when it's probably too late for Niedermayer to play tonight and reports are Niedermayer wouldn't play anyways and c) this doesn't clear up enough space for Perry anyways, so there wasn't a need for this big of a move unless there's another move to clear up some tagging space. Because otherwise why not just deal O'Donnell for a low pick?

I'll bet that Andy will absolutely BLOW UP with Kariya on his wing. He's exactly the type of player McDonald needs.

Oh and so much for this http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=346524. I bet they traded him just for breaking Pahlsson's streak.

Makes perfect sense to me, guys. I like Andy as a person but he couldn't find the net this year, even after 30 games. Now he can go skate with short turncoat who was once our captain.

This is a huge win for Burkie. He dealt away an expensive underperformer for a cagey vet who will be a UFA at season's end. That gives us money for Scotty and Perry. We have to look at it in these terms:

St. Louis
Andy MacDonald

Anaheim
Scott Niedermayer (for this season)
Corey Perry (for next season and beyond)
Doug Weight

Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

The trade itself is a loss IMO. Obviously, if the Ducks can re-sign Perry it would look better, but that is a big if.

I think Burke is going to make another trade. There is kind of a logjam on defense now.

Mac and Kariya will be great together. Bertuzzi and McDonald never seemed to be a good compliment, but it's not like that makes this a good deal. I'm sure it was done for the money. How much did we free up? Corey Perry is much better than McDonald, we NEED to lock him up. If we can lock him up and Scott decides to play one more year I'll be happy.

Don't understand why you guys didn't deal from a position of strenght, defense and instead dealt from a position of weakness, forward.

Weight is 36 years old and he can walk next year. Ducks are now out McDonald, Penner and Selanne and next year minus Weight, who will probably retire or go back to the Blues.

I wouldn't bet on Weight returning here. Berglund has a great shot to take a center spot next year and Oshie may see time at C too(along w/RW) and he's a LOCK to make the team, so no room for Dougie...

Are the Blues paying most of weight's salary?
Weight makes 3.5 Mac makes 3.3

You can't eat salary in the new CBA. The Ducks are under the cap for this year, they needed to free up cap space for next year. Weight is UFA after this season, so the Ducks freed up 3.3 milllion on next year's cap which was the desired result.

Has anyone seen confirmation from a reliable source yet? All I've seen is this from Andy Strickland:

"Blues have agreed to trade Doug Weight to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for who is believed to be Andy Macdonald (Center). Details to come shortly.

More to come,
Andy Strickland"

If we could just trade Marchant now for another UFA.

Has anyone seen confirmation from a reliable source yet? All I've seen is this from Andy Strickland:

"Blues have agreed to trade Doug Weight to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for who is believed to be Andy Macdonald (Center). Details to come shortly.

More to come,
Andy Strickland"

TSN just confirmed it during molson That's hockey

I love how all the Edmonton fans are first to reply in here.

They've got your first, deal with it, they will end up drafting Stamkos when all is said and done.

Sorry but the Kings are going to finish last so they'll be drafting Stamkos...

From Adam Brady's blog on the Ducks website:

Updated Dec. 14 at 4:11 p.m.

Brace yourselves, because we are probably (probably) giving you trade news at any moment. The rumors are already running rampant at what it is, but I'm not going to get into that right now. If you want to find it, try our message boards. But again, nothing official yet.

If true, I think this is it. I don't expect another deal coming.

1.) Weight = UFA next yr, so this clears enough space from next yr's cap for Nieds, and also some breathing room for Burke to start thinking about Perry
2.) Keeps MS in case Nieds doesn't come back for next yr.
3.) Keeps Beauch
4.) Couple of the posters here have mentioned that the #2 line is lacking identity, that Andy and Bert's styles don't mesh. Moving McDonald could signal that Teemu's probably not coming back?

Now if only a hand transplant for Marchant was possible ...

P.S. Now would be a good time to make a cheap trade for McDonald in your fantasy league. Him + PK = goldmine.

So if Burke offered Perry the biggest deal that would fit under the cap for next year just how much could he offer him? I think $4-4.3 M/yr. should do it, about the amount Penner got.

So if Burke offered Perry the biggest deal that would fit under the cap for next year just how much could he offer him? I think $4-4.3 M/yr. should do it, about the amount Penner got.
Not enough. The cap space gained for next year should be Andy's 3.33 - the 900 k they were short. Perry is not going to sign for 2.4 million.


Make no mistake, this is a hockey trade that should improve the Ducks, unlike O'Donnell for a pick. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this trade is a win for BOTH teams hockeywise this year. Weight will produce more with the Ducks because of the styles, and McDonald will produce more with the Blues (he's almost Kariya-lite, they wear the same visor and have a similar skating style). The past 2 seasons Weight had 57 and 59 points, he's still got some left in the tank, while McDonald's currently on pace for 40 points. The only problem is Anaheim really should be getting a pick or prospect to make up for lost production for next year.

I also think this might suggest Selanne is NOT returning. Because then Selanne will have the exact same problem McDonald has been having, no one to mesh with. Selanne's more of a catalyst and will produce more than McDonald, but it will be the exact same basic problem of play styles.

And a final observation, wasn't Platt just sent down? Now the Ducks are screwed for tonight's game? Expect a wretched 2nd line of Miller-Marchant-Bertuzzi, with a 4th of May-Sutherby-Parros. And it's probably too late for Nieds to play too.

it's official per duck.nhl.com

Not to sound like I'm turning on Andy because he's gone now... I will miss him for sure. But it looks like with that contract of his that he essentially played his way off the team this year. He's looked lost at times, but I thought Burke would at least be patient enough to wait for Selanne's decision and see if he could deal somebody else first.

i really don't know what to make of this. Well see i guess. Our team= slow.

... I thought Burke would at least be patient enough to wait for Selanne's decision...

He's been more than patient. It's mid-December.

We Didn't just acquire doug weight. I found that our Micheal Birner and a 7th rounder pick

selanne probably isn't coming back which is why they probably let andymac go..
i think this helps the blues out with mac and kariya since they have a chemistry already from before..

We Didn't just acquire doug weight. I found that our Micheal Birner and a 7th rounder pick
Exactly, I was just about to say the same thing. Although I have no idea who the prospect is.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/michal_birner
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9849/blues_top20_prospects_fall2007/

("Birner" ~ "Beauchemin" with fewer vowels?)

Can DFC or a mod please change the title of the thread?

its not that bad of a trade, i like the thought of bertuzzi crashing the net while weight is concerned with getting the puck to selanne. scotty dipping in and out of the offensive zone, we hold on to matt's laser cannon, our defense is absolutely one for the ages. we keep perry, and with a minor move well have the ability to sign him for next year. we got older, but our chances at a repeat are even better.

bert+schneider+perry+neidermayer+a possible return of teemu.
-mcdonald, -kondratiev, -bryzgalov

burke's asset mangement at its finest.

Exactly, I was just about to say the same thing. Although I have no idea who the prospect is.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/michal_birner
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9849/blues_top20_prospects_fall2007/

Can DFC or a mod please change the title of the thread?

Who plays tonight in his spot?

Wow, it looks like I was the only one hoping and guessing McDonald would be traded. I'll give myself a pat on the back, thank you. :D

I understand why Andy was traded. Burke was not happy signing AM to a 3yr deal at a price he thought was too high. Andy also became a lot more tradable because of his lack of offensive production this season. Plus, AM is not a Burke type of player -- he's not very physical and a bit undersized, and of course he doesn't fight.

IMO this deal is... OK I guess. Weight is not going to put up many goals, but neither was Andy. You also lose speed - I think Anaheim was average in speed, now they're a bit slower.

Weight adds character and grit. Like others, I think this deal was partially made because of salary reasons. Unless Weight takes a decent pay cut next season, I doubt he'll return for Anaheim.

its not that bad of a trade, i like the thought of bertuzzi crashing the net while weight is concerned with getting the puck to selanne. scotty dipping in and out of the offensive zone, we hold on to matt's laser cannon, our defense is absolutely one for the ages. we keep perry, and with a minor move well have the ability to sign him for next year. we got older, but our chances at a repeat are even better.

bert+schneider+perry+neidermayer+a possible return of teemu.
-mcdonald, -kondratiev, -bryzgalov

burke's asset mangement at its finest.

Man that sounds intense. I believe teemu's chance is very high for coming back to the team.

Wow, it looks like I was the only one hoping and guessing McDonald would be traded. I'll give myself a pat on the back, thank you. :D

I understand why Andy was traded. Burke was not happy signing AM to a 3yr deal at a price he thought was too high. Andy also became a lot more tradable because of his lack of offensive production this season. Plus, AM is not a Burke type of player -- he's not very physical and a bit undersized, and of course he doesn't fight.

IMO this deal is... OK I guess. Weight is not going to put up many goals, but neither was Andy. You also lose speed - I think Anaheim was average in speed, now they're a bit slower.

Weight adds character and grit. Like others, I think this deal was partially made because of salary reasons. Unless Weight takes a decent pay cut next season, I doubt he'll return for Anaheim.
what???
andymac has played forceful and finishes his checks
granted he's no kunitz, but he did everything burke wanted him to do
the only problem is he doesn't have his compliment winger with him anymore
he'll have that in kariya

This is where GMs make their money.

I give Burke a free pass this year since he brought Anaheim a Stanley Cup.

i really don't know what to make of this. Well see i guess. Our team= slow.

position>>>>speed

How would Brian Burke EVER do this?!

This is where GMs make their money.

I give Burke a free pass this year since he brought Anaheim a Stanley Cup.

Actually Bryan Murray did that. Burke is looking every bit an idiot when he was here in Vancouver.

How would Brian Burke EVER do this?!

For $3.3 million.

If the Ducks need to shred salaries if they want Niedermayer back in the lineup, why did they trade 3,3M$ for 3,5M$ + prospect?

Andy Mac had 2 huge years with Selanne but his other years his was a 30 point player as he is looking so far this year.

Doug Weight is one of the best passers in the NHL although he is no longer as quick as he used to be. Hopefully his playmaking skills will shine in the California sun and bring up his other line mates.

I am ok with this trade because I think most people overrate Andy Mac. He is not a bad hockey player, but he is not the big goal scorer he looked like the last 2 seasons either.

If the Ducks need to shred salaries if they want Niedermayer back in the lineup, why did they trade 3,3M$ for 3,5M$ + prospect?Because they need salary for next year. Weight doesn't take up tagging space.

wow. I didn't expect Andy Mac to be the one especially given his status as a lifelong Duck. Sad to see him go, I always liked him but he's looked really lost this season. He should play well in St.Louis however I believe.

How would Brian Burke EVER do this?!

to resign perry or sign teemu

Actually Bryan Murray did that. Burke is looking every bit an idiot when he was here in Vancouver.

yep your right. complete idiot.

if people are mad because mcdonald is gone, or think burke is an idiot, you need to realize it was scott that handcuffed the team. but ill take scotty + weight over andy everyday of the week and twice on sundays.

Actually Bryan Murray did that. Burke is looking every bit an idiot when he was here in Vancouver.

Thanks for the lack of insight. Please stop trolling. :)

Because they need salary for next year. Weight doesn't take up tagging space.

I agree for next year but for the 2007-2008 season, Burke still need to add the salary of Niedermayer to the Ducks payroll

I don't think this really has anything to do with Neidermayer.

This doesn't shed any salary for this season, and Neidermayer is almost definitely not playing next year.

This is probably more about Perry in light of the contract Richards just signed.

Andy Mac had 2 huge years with Selanne but his other years his was a 30 point player as he is looking so far this year.

Doug Weight is one of the best passers in the NHL although he is no longer as quick as he used to be. Hopefully his playmaking skills will shine in the California sun and bring up his other line mates.

I am ok with this trade because I think most people overrate Andy Mac. He is not a bad hockey player, but he is not the big goal scorer he looked like the last 2 seasons either.

Actually that's my main problem with acquiring Weight. He's even MORE of a pure playmaker than Andy. Andy is a playmaker first, then a goal scorer when he's got the confidence. Weight is just a downright playmaker. The most goals he's scored since leaving Edmonton is 16.

Couple that with Bertuzzi being more of a playmaker than a goalscorer nowadays and it's really going to be up to the winger (I'll assume it's Kunitz and Sutherby or Miller will be with the twins) to score goals. Kunitz will score goals, but he's not a particularly good goalscorer.

This is to the outsiders: THE SALARIES WORK PERFECTLY. The Ducks have roughly 3 million in cap room this year because of Niedermayer's suspension. There are no pressing cap issues this year. And Weight being UFA while McDonald was signed through next year is what cleared the tagging room to get Niedermayer in the lineup. Now stop asking the same damn questions over and over again.

if people are mad because mcdonald is gone, or think burke is an idiot, you need to realize it was scott that handcuffed the team. but ill take scotty + weight over andy everyday of the week and twice on sundays.

Word. Those who are weeping the departure of Andy Mac are thinking with their hearts -- and rightly so. He's a great kid and he was -- WAS -- a goal-scoring machine for a couple of years. But the Andy Mac of 2007 was not helping us. He looked lost and out of sorts.

This may be a reach but perhaps with a fresh Scotty back on the blueline Jiggy's GAA will improve and we'll need fewer goals to win. A line of Marchant, Bertuzzi and Weight sounds pretty good to me, and we now have one of the best defensive top fours ever assembled.

I agree for next year but for the 2007-2008 season, Burke still need to add the salary of Niedermayer to the Ducks payroll
There is no problem with adding Scotty's salary this year. It was a tagging issue it was a tagging issue caused by Kunitz's and Getlaf's contract extensions combined with Scotty's suspension. The trading of salaries between Andy Mac and Weight clears up the tagging issue because Weight is an UFA at the end of the season.

I agree for next year but for the 2007-2008 season, Burke still need to add the salary of Niedermayer to the Ducks payroll

Next person to ask again gets slap across the back of the head.

Sad news but Andy needed a change of scenery.

Now we have the best defense in hockey and maybe the worst offense in hockey. (not that Andy was having a good season but still...)

Word. Those who are weeping the departure of Andy Mac are thinking with their hearts -- and rightly so. He's a great kid and he was -- WAS -- a goal-scoring machine for a couple of years. But the Andy Mac of 2007 was not helping us. He looked lost and out of sorts.

This may be a reach but perhaps with a fresh Scotty back on the blueline Jiggy's GAA will improve and we'll need fewer goals to win. A line of Marchant, Bertuzzi and Weight sounds pretty good to me, and we now have one of the best defensive top fours ever assembled.

I agree with most of your post. But that line you listed would score like 2 goals in the entire rest of the season. Weight and Bertuzzi don't shoot, and Marchant can't shoot.

Exactly, I was just about to say the same thing. Although I have no idea who the prospect is.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/michal_birner
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9849/blues_top20_prospects_fall2007/

("Birner" ~ "Beauchemin" with fewer vowels?)

Can DFC or a mod please change the title of the thread?
Score! Saginaw Spirit. He's a Steagle Colbeagle the Eagle (http://www.colbertnation.com/?p=264). Screw Weight, this trade is a win right here.

Next person to ask again gets slap across the back of the head.
Quick. A sponsor should request a pimpslap smiley to be added to the repertoire.

It's a good thing that I expect Perry to be an NHL superstar in the very near future - otherwise the deal seems lame. I guess the Blues didn't have a goon to throw in...:sarcasm:

What do we know about Michal Birner?

A little lopsided, but atleast we could sign Perry long-term now.

Sad news but Andy needed a change of scenery.

Now we have the best defense in hockey and maybe the worst offense in hockey. (not that Andy was having a good season but still...)
Will you change your screen name? :D

Actually that's my main problem with acquiring Weight. He's even MORE of a pure playmaker than Andy. Andy is a playmaker first, then a goal scorer when he's got the confidence. Weight is just a downright playmaker. The most goals he's scored since leaving Edmonton is 16.

Couple that with Bertuzzi being more of a playmaker than a goalscorer nowadays and it's really going to be up to the winger (I'll assume it's Kunitz and Sutherby or Miller will be with the twins) to score goals. Kunitz will score goals, but he's not a particularly good goalscorer.

We can see how it shakes out. however I think Weight will have better chemistry then Mac did with Big Bert. Also having a player of Weight's passing skill will help our struggling PP and make Pronger, Schnider, and Niedermayer even more lethal on the blue line.

I am actually very glad we did not get rid of Marchant like most people wanted Burke to. We take so many penalties and he is a great PK player. This year I feel Marchant has made a larger contribution then Mac has.

I hope Mac finds some magic with Selanne's old partner as well as he found it with Selanne.

So what'll be the possible lines with Weight now?

Also having a player of Weight's passing skill will help our struggling PP and make Pronger, Schnider, and Niedermayer even more lethal on the blue line.

That's actually a HUGE point. Right now we have pretty poor playmaking on the halfwall. Selanne was a big part of that last year. Right now it's basically the defensemen pass to each other or dump it in on the short side, where the forwards just cycle the puck for awhile. The defenders can just collapse and let them stay on the perimeter.

With Weight there should be more puck possession and passes through the box, the kind that wreak havoc and lead to tap-in back door goals. Think Kariya to Olaussen.

Should. Who knows if it'll work.

We have to look at it in these terms:

St. Louis
Andy MacDonald

Anaheim
Scott Niedermayer (for this season)
Corey Perry (for next season and beyond)
Doug Weight

Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

The TSN article repeatedly mentions that the deal is largely to clear up room for Scott Niedermayer next season. If so, I would imagine that Burke received a promise from Scott that he would return for next season, as well. So, that would be great news for the Ducks.

On top of that, the TSN article repeatedly mentions that the deal is largely to clear up room for Scott Niedermayer next season. If so, I would imagine that Burke received a promise from Scott that he would return for next season, as well. So, that would be great news for the Ducks.

*Slaps back of your head*

Do they not teach reading in schools these days?

I just had a little tour around other teams boards.. funny how people are too lazy to read about the salary situation and just ask clueless questions about having to drop salary this year.;)

Actually Bryan Murray did that. Burke is looking every bit an idiot when he was here in Vancouver.

How does Murray get the credit for building a Cup-winning team? Burke is the one who traded Fedorov for Beauchemin/Marchant, traded Lupul for Pronger, brought Selanne back and convinced Scott Niedermayer to sign (sure, the brother connection, but it may not've been such the slam dunk that people assume... evidence: he didn't sign until a month after free agency started). On top of that, he did little things to re-enforce team toughness by signing O'Donnell, May and Parros.

Murray built the foundation through good drafting, but Burke built a Cup winner on top of that. I'll tell you that it's a lot easier to do what Murray did than what Burke did. Just look at the Kings: superb foundation (similar to the Ducks), yet last in the league.

That's actually a HUGE point. Right now we have pretty poor playmaking on the halfwall. Selanne was a big part of that last year. Right now it's basically the defensemen pass to each other or dump it in on the short side, where the forwards just cycle the puck for awhile. The defenders can just collapse and let them stay on the perimeter.

With Weight there should be more puck possession and passes through the box, the kind that wreak havoc and lead to tap-in back door goals. Think Kariya to Olaussen.

Should. Who knows if it'll work.
I am crossing my fingers and hoping it works out that way!

Can't blame Andy for not producing with Bert on his line.

*Slaps back of your head*

Do they not teach reading in schools these days?

Just what is that supposed to mean?

Do mothers not teach respectful behavior these days?

Will you change your screen name? :D

We'll see...

So what'll be the possible lines with Weight now?

Kunitz-Getzlaf-Perry
Marchant-Weight-Bertuzzi
Moen-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
May-Sutherby-Parros

Niedermayer-Beauchemin
Pronger-O'Donnell
Schneider-Huskins/Hnidy

Kunitz-Getzlaf-Perry
Marchant-Weight-Bertuzzi


In other words, Marchant looking back over his shoulder waiting for the other two guys to catch up. We'll be timing their rushes up ice with a sundial.

This deal *had* to be done to get Niedermayer back and in shape for the playoffs, which are the most important thing right now. And yeah, it frees up money for Perry. Of course, none of this would have been necessary if Burke hadn't signed The Doorstop to a multi-year deal for twice as much as anyone else would have paid for him. Just saying.

Not that I'm complaining. GM'ing a team to the Stanley Cup earns you at least one unwarranted "favor" signing.

Oh, and good luck to Andy Mac, even if he will be centering the PAB. Like every member of the 2007 Ducks, he gets a lifetime pass from me. I vote for keeping the user name.

what???
andymac has played forceful and finishes his checks
granted he's no kunitz, but he did everything burke wanted him to do

Uh, OK. AndyMac = forceful? I've never heard him described as "forceful". Speedy and skilled, but not forceful. Andy is listed at 5-11 but I'm guessing he's more like 5-9, and he's definitely not physically intimidating.

Anaheim's first line center Doug Weight!:biglaugh: Apparently the Blues want to go back to the playoffs.;)

Anaheim's first line center Doug Weight!:biglaugh: Apparently the Blues want to go back to the playoffs.;)

I gather you've never heard of Ryan Getzlaf? Go away until you aquire some knowledge about the sport!

Why aren't you talking about Selanne in your lineup...

The guy who called the Weight deal yesterday also said that Teemu was coming back...

How will Burke afford it? Schneider on his way out?

It has been at least 10 years since that was true (the last time he had 53+ assists he was an Edmonton Oiler). I mean I love Dougie a ton and miss him but that statement seems a little over the top.

As a side note, who do you think Weight will play with?

I imagine St. Louis will put together a line of Kariya-McDonald-Boyes.

I am bit surprised McDonald was not dealt out East.

I'm expecting to see Kariya-McDonald-Selanne next (calendar) year. :naughty: :sarcasm:

In other words, Marchant looking back over his shoulder waiting for the other two guys to catch up. We'll be timing their rushes up ice with a sundial.

All kidding aside, two sloths like that need a speedster like Marchant. Todd's role would be to take or dump the puck in, then protect it long enough for his linemates to enter the zone.

I gather you've never heard of Ryan Getzlaf? Go away until you aquire some knowledge about the sport!

Indeed. Judging by many opposing fans responses (such as acting like Andy Mac is some huge game-changer), I think some people may simply have been looking at Andy Mac's stat sheets from when he played w/ Teemu. As others have said, it was obvious he needed a change of scenery, and a move like this was necessary in order for the team to move forward (they were clearly going nowhere fast) by bringing Scott back, re-signing Perry, etc. I think many opposing fans are expecting all Ducks fans to be really upset by this move but it doesn't look like that's the case.

I wish him luck in St. Louis. Hope he does well and finds his game again there. Like Moneyp said, "like every member of the 2007 Ducks, he gets a lifetime pass from me."

I don't like this trade at all. I see why it was made, but it was a bad idea to trade McDonald. Should have traded a defender. Now what do we do with the defense? Hopefully another trade is coming soon. Our D does look amazing though...

S.Niedermayer-Beauchemin
Pronger-Schneider
O'Donnell-Huskins.

wow... but that offense...:shakehead

Burke just mentioned possibly making another smaller move after X-mas and then starting the contract process with Perry (who he said is a priority).

I don't like this trade at all. I see why it was made, but it was a bad idea to trade McDonald. Should have traded a defender. Now what do we do with the defense? Hopefully another trade is coming soon. Our D does look amazing though...

S.Niedermayer-Beauchemin
Pronger-Schneider
O'Donnell-Huskins.

wow... but that offense...:shakehead

The problem is, if Anaheim traded a defender for a forward, they'd be left Hnidy or DiPenta on D.

The problem is, if Anaheim traded a defender for a forward, they'd be left Hnidy or DiPenta on D.

I know but having one of Hindy or Dipenta to be the 6th guy is not that bad. I never wanted the Ducks to trade Schneider, but O'Donnell was the best choice IMO. Hindy is a solid 6th guy. Better then giving up on McDonald. Bad trade by Burke. Worst so far.

I'm kinda caught off guard by this trade, I didn't think Andy would be one to get traded. Well, I hope the trade works out for both teams.

Sucks if Selanne comes back because he and Macdonald have/had great chemistry.

Better then giving up on McDonald. Bad trade by Burke. Worst so far.

Even at Weight's level of production, I don't see how it's possible to see this as anything worse than a lateral move at the moment. Andy had a few flashes of his old form this year, but the rest of the time looked apprehensive, indecisive and out of place.

The problem is, if Anaheim traded a defender for a forward, they'd be left Hnidy or DiPenta on D.
Hnidy is far too good to be a #7. He should be a 6 or 5. There will be another move to clear a defenseman.

I'm so sorry to see Andy Mac go, I've always liked him since the beginning. :(

Can't blame him for the lck of production, he's a playmaker and his entire line didn't work.

Our offense is horrible, will the return of Scotty be enough for the Ducks?

Hnidy is far too good to be a #7. He should be a 6 or 5. There will be another move to clear a defenseman.

So you trade Hnidy or DiPenta - no need to keep both of 'em with Nieds returning.

I read on the hockey news about what the Ducks have to do to sign Perry even after dealing AndyMac.
... they'll have to deal a player signed long-term in return for another player whose contract is expiring after this season. (http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/11943-Analysis-Blues-win-deal-but-is-more-in-store-for-Ducks.html)

Who next?

So you trade Hnidy or DiPenta - no need to keep both of 'em with Nieds returning.

I think Burke will try to trade DiPenta and if there are no takers then waive him. He has a two way contract so he can play for Portland for the rest of the season if no one wants him.

I read on the hockey news about what the Ducks have to do to sign Perry even after dealing AndyMac.


Who next?

O'Donnell, Marchant, Hnidy (makes under a million though).

I think Burke will try to trade DiPenta and if there are no takers then waive him. He has a two way contract so he can play for Portland for the rest of the season if no one wants him.

You're probably right. I'd be fine with DiPenta on another team or in Portland.

I just wanna ask one thing...I see a lot of people saying he will bring leadership.....Ive always thought the Ducks had that in spades...

Was leadership an issue at all? Especially with your captain coming back.

I just wanna ask one thing...I see a lot of people saying he will bring leadership.....Ive always thought the Ducks had that in spades...

Was leadership an issue at all? Especially with your captain coming back.
The Ducks have really been missing some calming leadership. Like Niedermayer and how he calmed and focused the team after Alfredsson's intentional/unintenional shot. This year they'd get frustrated at not scoring, or at some bad calls, and completely melt down.

Although Niedermayer will certainly help with that.

Weight is washed up, we traded a guy who averaged a PPG the previous two years.

What incentive does Teemu have now?We officially have no transition game, and how is Teemu going to score goals on the cycle? about 70/80 percent of his goals the last two years have either been in transition or on the PP.

Burke has turned us into a 2004 team, look up and down this roster, no speed, nothing but dump and chase cycle players, yet we have a defense that is a transition D, doesn't make any sense.

What does the trade mean with respect to Selanne? Does it increase or decrease the likelihood that he returns? I know that Selanne and Mac were pretty tight, but I think he would really enjoy playing with Weight.

Overall, I don't think the deal is all that horrible provided that Weight returns to at least something close to what he was the past two years. So far this year, he's been invisible. But given the circumstances of what Burke had to deal with, I'm surprised he was able to make a deal at all - even a mediocre one. My only interest in all of this is to see Selanne return for at least one more year. If this deal helps to make this happen, Burke will be my hero.

Burke just talked, he essentially just repeated a lot of what I said earlier. He thinks that Weight plays a game that's much more suited to Bertuzzi, hopefully they'll have some chemistry. More of a cycling game, compared to a skating game. That McDonald is a good player but he just hasn't been able to form chemistry with Bertuzzi.

Burke just talked, he essentially just repeated a lot of what I said earlier. He thinks that Weight plays a game that's much more suited to Bertuzzi, hopefully they'll have some chemistry. More of a cycling game, compared to a skating game. That McDonald is a good player but he just hasn't been able to form chemistry with Bertuzzi.

Hmm, that sounds troubling for a Selanne return if Burke is looking to optimize the chemistry around Bertuzzi versus the chemistry for Selanne. Maybe I'm reading too much into this.

Hmm, that sounds troubling for a Selanne return if Burke is looking to optimize the chemistry around Bertuzzi versus the chemistry for Selanne. Maybe I'm reading too much into this.
They need to plan with what they have, not with what they might have.

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BTW, I have this odd feeling we will be seeing Mr Ryan called up to play with Bert and Weight at some point.

Hnidy is far too good to be a #7. He should be a 6 or 5. There will be another move to clear a defenseman.

qft..

I'm still shocked Andy Mac is gone, but at the same time, I'm alright with it. Considering how much money is spent on defense, $3 million+ is probably a little much for a second-line center. Weight hasn't done much better this season, but he picked up his play as of late, and hopefully will mesh well with Bertuzzi. As for next year, a guy like Andrew Ebbett will have a shot at making the team, or maybe another guy Burke makes a play at. I'm not too worried about any of it.

Also, don't take this as a sign that Teemu isn't coming back. If this trade has any indications of a possible Teemu deal, it would be that it's up in the air at this point, and there's simply no point in keeping a struggling Mac if Weight will fit better with Bert.

Also, is the offense that bad? If Weight and Bert mesh, that's a pretty good second line, and the first line is also very good. If Teemu comes back, even better. And, come on, that defense. That's pretty sick.

A couple quick thoughts.

On one hand I was kind of expecting Mac to move because he wasn't producing and he was the one fast, skilled guy we had and he just didn't mesh well with the team style. And he was making a little too much for a 2nd line center that wasn't producing. On the other hand, I didn't really consider that they'd move him because of the possibility of Selanne returning. In my mind Selanne just wouldn't work with Bert and Weight.

The Ducks have traded away one of their most tenured members. Who's left from 03? Giguere, Pahlsson, Niedermayer are all I can think of off the top of my head.

Finally... that Stanley Cup championship DVD was a curse wasn't it? Who was in the special features? I know Mac and Penner both had features. Who else (mine is loaned out for a little bit)? And I guess that means no more turkey stories.

well... i don't think many people saw THIS coming... i get how it frees up cap space and all that, but kinda surprised to see you guys deal someone like mcdonald to get your cap situation fixed up

An article on the trade with quotes from both Weight and McDonald etc...

http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-morning-skate/2007/12/weight-traded-to-anaheim/

It sounds like Weight was pressured into waiving his NTC and does not seem overly happy about it and how it went down.

A couple quick thoughts.

On one hand I was kind of expecting Mac to move because he wasn't producing and he was the one fast, skilled guy we had and he just didn't mesh well with the team style. And he was making a little too much for a 2nd line center that wasn't producing. On the other hand, I didn't really consider that they'd move him because of the possibility of Selanne returning. In my mind Selanne just wouldn't work with Bert and Weight.

The Ducks have traded away one of their most tenured members. Who's left from 03? Giguere, Pahlsson, Niedermayer are all I can think of off the top of my head.


Finally... that Stanley Cup championship DVD was a curse wasn't it? Who was in the special features? I know Mac and Penner both had features. Who else (mine is loaned out for a little bit)? And I guess that means no more turkey stories.

i know bryz had his own segment

Don't understand why you guys didn't deal from a position of strenght, defense and instead dealt from a position of weakness, forward.

Weight is 36 years old and he can walk next year. Ducks are now out McDonald, Penner and Selanne and next year minus Weight, who will probably retire or go back to the Blues.

Actually the Blues strength was our defensive depth. But the Blues' d-men have not played to the best of their abilities so far this season; with the exception of Erik Johnson and Wagner. We do enjoy some defensive depth, but our real depth is at the prospect-forward positions. We have tremendous depth at forward just waiting in the wings and developing and will be joining the Blues over the next several years.

I was just saying earlier today on our boards that the Blues should trade Weight and a prospect to Florida for Jokinen.

But McDonald is just fine by me.

I'm okay with this trade. I liked McDonald, but bottom line he wasn't producing. This allows us to re-sign Perry, keep our defense together.

Our offense won't be too great, but it's not like losing McDonald and his 4 goals is going to kill us. Anyways, I always liked the cycle and grind game better than the up and down skating game.

But I think Weight is going to suck for us. Just based on the interview with Hazy and Ahlers during the "Wild" game, he's got a bad attitude towards this trade. Anybody else feel like him not being able to get the game on TV, and losing cell phone contact was a bad omen?

Major OUCH!!!

But I think Weight is going to suck for us.

really? i think were going to get out of weight exactly what we would have gotten out of andy. whether its with teemu or not.

just pretend andy got older, slower, a tad bigger, and actually said something in the locker room.

really? i think were going to get out of weight exactly what we would have gotten out of andy. whether its with teemu or not.

just pretend andy got older, slower, a tad bigger, and actually said something in the locker room.

I could be wrong. He might light it up with Bertuzzi. But when you say we will get what we got from Andy...Mac had 4 goals 12 assists in, what 34 games?

That's pretty sucky for a second line center.

I'm okay with this trade. I liked McDonald, but bottom line he wasn't producing. This allows us to re-sign Perry, keep our defense together.

Our offense won't be too great, but it's not like losing McDonald and his 4 goals is going to kill us. Anyways, I always liked the cycle and grind game better than the up and down skating game.

But I think Weight is going to suck for us. Just based on the interview with Hazy and Ahlers during the "Wild" game, he's got a bad attitude towards this trade. Anybody else feel like him not being able to get the game on TV, and losing cell phone contact was a bad omen?

There's no doubt Weight doesn't want to be here, he'd rather be in St.Louis, but the guy's a champ, his play won't be affected. Vets like him don't let their feelings toward a team affect their play. Hell, Gretzky cried when he had to leave Edmonton, and he still played great in LA, despite wanting to rather be in Edmonton. Sandis Ozolinsh almost refused to play in the All-Star game because he was traded here, yet played great as a Duck. This kid Teemu Selanne wasn't exactly estatic to leave Winnipeg, either. I wonder how that turned out.

Except all those guys you mentioned were in their primes. Weight is not.

He may work out. Personally I think he will bring more this season than McDonald was bringing. Just not a very good start.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I hate this trade, BUT I think this is setting up for the re-signing of Perry or maybe another forward.

I could be wrong. He might light it up with Bertuzzi. But when you say we will get what we got from Andy...Mac had 4 goals 12 assists in, what 34 games?

That's pretty sucky for a second line center.

totally agree, which is why i think teemu is burkes #1 priority

If Selanne returns to the NHL it will be with his 2 best friends in freaking St Louis ladies.

totally agree, which is why i think teemu is burkes #1 priority

Well, Burke said during the game that re-signing Perry is his #1 priority.

Man, this really surprises me and I'm a Sharks fan. I really like Andy, and I'm glad he's out of our division. As for those that say he doesn't produce without good linemates, not many players can. I think he'll do well with Kariya and Boyes. They match up well. It seems that the Ducks lose Andy for a half-year of Nieds.

Anyway, maybe Weight will match up well with Bertuzzi, but at first glance, this seems like a reaming. Hard to believe this was the best deal out there.

(To those that think this means Niedermayer will return next year, the Ducks had to free up cap space for next year whether SN returns or not.)

Except all those guys you mentioned were in their primes. Weight is not.

He may work out. Personally I think he will bring more this season than McDonald was bringing. Just not a very good start.

Except you said "just based on his interview". He may suck, but it won't be because he doesn't want to be here. I'm just defending his character, is all.

If Selanne returns to the NHL it will be with his 2 best friends in freaking St Louis ladies.

Who says him and Andy Mac were best friends? They were linemates, with great chemistry, but I've never seen anything that would make me believe they were best friends on the team.

Also, no chance. If he plays another day in this league, it'll be for the Ducks. Book it.

Burke just talked, he essentially just repeated a lot of what I said earlier. He thinks that Weight plays a game that's much more suited to Bertuzzi, hopefully they'll have some chemistry. More of a cycling game, compared to a skating game. That McDonald is a good player but he just hasn't been able to form chemistry with Bertuzzi.
And that is what bothers me about this trade, he made a move to help Bertuzzi instead of Andy while Andy has shown alot more post lockout than Bert has. There probably wasn't much interest in Bertuzzi but come on..if you are going to trade Andy it should've been done in the off-season when he had really high value and now we get pennies on the dollar.

should be interesting when the ducks play the oilers again. Weight has openly stated he liked Edmonton and his family loved the place to.

really? i think were going to get out of weight exactly what we would have gotten out of andy. whether its with teemu or not.

just pretend andy got older, slower, a tad bigger, and actually said something in the locker room.
Except by trading Andy it could substantially effect what Selanne will do who seemed like he was gearing up for a return and we all know Andy was never put in a good position this year, we got bigger and slower in the off-season. Yes we have a great D, but how much is too much? do you really need 4 top pairing defensemen?

I'm always a little baffled as to why players seem to love St. Louis so much. Is the city really that great? I always kinda thought it was a bit of a dull place.

As for Selanne I think Burke knows he's not coming back. He had to have known. Because otherwise he would've retained MacDonald ... even if you wanted to deal him, with Selanne back, MacDonald's numbers would rise and you could always trade him in the summer for a much higher return at that point than Doug Weight, who is basically a rental.

The funny thing is, Weight will likely resign right back with St. Louis after this year so basically they get MacDonald for loaning Weight out.

I'm always a little baffled as to why players seem to love St. Louis so much. Is the city really that great? I always kinda thought it was a bit of a dull place.

As for Selanne I think Burke knows he's not coming back. He had to have known. Because otherwise he would've retained MacDonald ... even if you wanted to deal him, with Selanne back, MacDonald's numbers would rise and you could always trade him in the summer for a much higher return at that point than Doug Weight, who is basically a rental.

The funny thing is, Weight will likely resign right back with St. Louis after this year so basically they get MacDonald for loaning Weight out.

I'm with you on keeping McDonald if Selanne's coming back. But I'm not sure McDonald's trade value would go up if he produces with Selanne, because he still won't have demonstrated the ability to produce independent of Selanne. But obviously McDonald would have more trade value than a UFA.

But based on how unhapppy Weight sounds about being asked to waive his NTC, I'm pretty sure he won't be back with St. Louis next year.

I'm always a little baffled as to why players seem to love St. Louis so much. Is the city really that great? I always kinda thought it was a bit of a dull place.

As for Selanne I think Burke knows he's not coming back. He had to have known. Because otherwise he would've retained MacDonald ... even if you wanted to deal him, with Selanne back, MacDonald's numbers would rise and you could always trade him in the summer for a much higher return at that point than Doug Weight, who is basically a rental.

The funny thing is, Weight will likely resign right back with St. Louis after this year so basically they get MacDonald for loaning Weight out.

Davison said that Weight was done in St. Louis after this season anyway. They have some guys they want to bring up.

Here's an interesting tidbit. From a Peoria (home of St. Louis' AHL team) newspaper: http://www.pjstar.com/stories/121507/RIV_BF7AGNPU.076.php
"I was shocked for sure," Birner said as he packed. "I had asked the Blues for a trade, or to let me go back to Europe. I never thought it would happen this fast. And I never thought it would be Anaheim.

Hmm. Hopefully he just thought he needed and change and Birner's not the kind who often gets upset and threatens to go to Europe. Because I'm pretty sure I know what Burke's response would be.

I would also like to add that I find it quite amusing that the picture used on the Ducks (and main NHL) page to announce the trade is of Weight shooting. http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2007/12/78138249.jpg (Well actually dumping the puck in... but close enough.)

Here's an odd thought I just had. Burke supposedly had a trade or two lined up for Tuesday. Was this one of them? What are the chances Burke held off on the trade just so Andy Mac could break the Ducks' ironman streak, which he did with Wednesday's game?

Although to shoot my own theory down supposedly the hold up was more Weight needing time to consider waiving the NTC. But it might have had a little part in the timing. Which quite frankly, really sucked because it meant no McDonald for the game and the team would be upset emotionally while Niedermayer still wouldn't be playing.

So Selanne couldn't play with Getz and Perry, and Kunitz couldn't add to the Bert - Weight line?

There's no doubt Weight doesn't want to be here, he'd rather be in St.Louis, but the guy's a champ, his play won't be affected. Vets like him don't let their feelings toward a team affect their play. Hell, Gretzky cried when he had to leave Edmonton, and he still played great in LA, despite wanting to rather be in Edmonton. Sandis Ozolinsh almost refused to play in the All-Star game because he was traded here, yet played great as a Duck. This kid Teemu Selanne wasn't exactly estatic to leave Winnipeg, either. I wonder how that turned out.

He waived his NTC... how does he not want to be here?

I'm always a little baffled as to why players seem to love St. Louis so much. Is the city really that great? I always kinda thought it was a bit of a dull place.

As for Selanne I think Burke knows he's not coming back. He had to have known. Because otherwise he would've retained MacDonald ... even if you wanted to deal him, with Selanne back, MacDonald's numbers would rise and you could always trade him in the summer for a much higher return at that point than Doug Weight, who is basically a rental.

The funny thing is, Weight will likely resign right back with St. Louis after this year so basically they get MacDonald for loaning Weight out.

Jesus... Selanne is coming back.
Perry - Getzlaf - Selanne
Bertuzzi - Weight - Kunitz

PS Finally have two lines.

Jesus... Selanne is coming back.
Perry - Getzlaf - Selanne
Bertuzzi - Weight - Kunitz

PS Finally have two lines.

I don't think Weight/Bertuzzi/Kunitz would make a good line at all. We're putting ALL of our best forwards on the top line. I'd rather see Bertuzzi with Getzlaf and Perry. He plays the same kind of game as them, and it would be similar to the PPG line of last year. If Selanne came back, put him with Kunitz (some chemistry right there) and Weight. Well on the bright side, at least we made room for Niedermayer and Perry can be re-signed.

I wouldnt mind seeing Birner come right up to the team just to see what he's got. Can't be any worse then Drew Miller

Miller is doing exactly what he is expected to do and is doing it well, I don't get what you have against the guy Dirk. Oh, and he was one of the only ones hitting last night.

Miller is doing exactly what he is expected to do and is doing it well, I don't get what you have against the guy Dirk. Oh, and he was one of the only ones hitting last night.

so they are expecting him to do nothing? i,m glad i'm not the only one who doesn't like miller

Miller is doing exactly what he is expected to do and is doing it well, I don't get what you have against the guy Dirk. Oh, and he was one of the only ones hitting last night.

I just dont like the way he plays. He's a pretty boy afraid to get dirty. His hits would'nt hurt a 5 yr old. He needs to develop a role as of now He doesnt score and his defense isnt anything special.

Miller is doing exactly what he is expected to do and is doing it well, I don't get what you have against the guy Dirk. Oh, and he was one of the only ones hitting last night.

I just dont like the way he plays. He's a pretty boy afraid to get dirty. His hits would'nt hurt a 5 yr old. He needs to develop a role as of now He doesnt score and his defense isnt anything special.

He waived his NTC... how does he not want to be here?
From reading an interview of his, it sounds like he initially said no to the trade and then was pressured to waive his NTC.

from here (http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-morning-skate/2007/12/weight-traded-to-anaheim/)
When asked how the deal unfolded and why he waived his no-trade clause, Weight said: “I just don’t feel like I want to comment on that. It is what it is . . . Over the last 15 years, I’ve developed a pretty good reputation and I’m an honest person. I have no need to leave this city throwing mud, you know. I’m not going to comment on how it went down. If somebody asks me, I’ll tell them . . . and I guarantee my teammates and friends will know exactly what happen.”

While it is clear he did not want to be traded, it does not say he is unhappy to be in southern California or with the Ducks, just that he did not want to be traded.

I just dont like the way he plays. He's a pretty boy afraid to get dirty. His hits would'nt hurt a 5 yr old. He needs to develop a role as of now He doesnt score and his defense isnt anything special.

Yep, there's the solution to our abysmal season, dump Drew Miller and bring in someone, anyone who would can hurt 5 yr olds!:sarcasm:

Let me guess, Parros and May are the reason we were last years champions in your wee mind?:naughty:

im just saying Why do we have miller. He benifits us in no way whatsoever. w/e lets keep on topic.

As I assess the situation BB has to make at least two moves.

His concerns were (1) signing Nieds and (2) signing Perry to avoid his pending RFA next year.

To accomplish both he had to first sacrifice someone with a large salary who was already under contract for next year. That left him with only Marchant, Andy, Bertuzzi and Schneider. I'm sure the offers for Bert and Todd were low ball ones and he probably believes that Scotty will not be back next year That left him with Andy as the one to go.

I'm sure that the next body to fall will be on defense, probably, Hnidy or DiPenta as we have eight D-men. However, the salary relief for this deal was not enough to get Scotty back, so the Andy deal had to be made first.

Perhaps this money coupled with Andy's will be enough to get Perry signed. I'm not sure wheter that will be enough and if not, then Brad May may be next to go, or someone else already signed next year.



signed He first had to clear

I'm always a little baffled as to why players seem to love St. Louis so much. Is the city really that great? I always kinda thought it was a bit of a dull place.
As for Selanne I think Burke knows he's not coming back. He had to have known. Because otherwise he would've retained MacDonald ... even if you wanted to deal him, with Selanne back, MacDonald's numbers would rise and you could always trade him in the summer for a much higher return at that point than Doug Weight, who is basically a rental.

The funny thing is, Weight will likely resign right back with St. Louis after this year so basically they get MacDonald for loaning Weight out.

First, Weight will not be back with Blues next season.

As far as why players love St. Louis so much, there are many reasons. The most important reason is that the Cardinals and the Blues organizations are 1st class all the way. We're snobs and flaunt it. The Rams organization isn't too bad either.

St. Louis is a little dull if you live in Chicago (like me), LA, NY etc.....But if you live there, then you know how cool it really is. And it is quite nice with lots of old-world charm.

It is a small city. A so-called, 10-minute town. But the people of St. Louis are very loyal to their sports players. You could even say that St. Louisans are blindly loyal. We love our players unconditionally. St. Louis is a small-to-mid market, which translates into fewer media outlets like sports radio stations that tend to cater to soap-box ***** and complain sessions. With fewer negative venting outlets, players get much less flak than in NY or Chicago.

So many hockey, football and baseball players retire here even if they were traded away before they retired. And that is because of the unconditional support that St. Louis gives its players. We actually appreciate our sports players and show it with undying love.

Which sports players wouldn't love that?

Here in Chicago players get run out of town if they fumble the ball, give up a home run, miss the basket or give up 5 goals. Any mistakes made by Blackhawks, Bulls, Sox, Cubs or Bears is highlighted to the millionth degree and dissected to the point of disgust.

Which sports players would love that?

Athletes want support not ridicule. And these are some of the reasons why St. Louis is a kick ass place to play and retire.

Yep, there's the solution to our abysmal season, dump Drew Miller and bring in someone, anyone who would can hurt 5 yr olds!:sarcasm:

Let me guess, Parros and May are the reason we were last years champions in your wee mind?:naughty:

How many times are you gonna change your screen name to hide who you are? Go back to following your dream guy Ryan Shannon in the minors. I guess now your on to your new infatuation Drew Miller? :biglaugh:

Just a fyi Parros and May where a big reason why they did win last year because the team got there healthy. It would be nice if you switched to a team like the Wings or The Kings they play that pansy hockey you just love.

im just saying Why do we have miller. He benifits us in no way whatsoever. w/e lets keep on topic.
Because certain fanboys on this site have a crush on him, not naming anyone in particular

How many times are you gonna change your screen name to hide who you are? Go back to following your dream guy Ryan Shannon in the minors. I guess now your on to your new infatuation Drew Miller? :biglaugh:

Just a fyi Parros and May where a big reason why they did win last year because the team got there healthy. It would be nice if you switched to a team like the Wings or The Kings they play that pansy hockey you just love.

Wow, an internet tough guy throwing around accusations and calling others names - you are scary.

Now, tell me this tough boy - Parros and May were with the team last year and we won the cup - this year we still have your superstar duo and we are abysmal - how come? Is it perhaps because we miss the skill provided by Selanne? Is it because we've aquired too many similiar style players who lack speed and skill?

Is it possible the main reason we got past Detroit in the playoffs was because Schneider was injured? Until then the Wings had the edge - or did Parros score some magnificent goal to turn the tide for us?

Think about it, then go back to looking at your poster of Parros tough guy!!:sarcasm:

I can't see Burke trading Schneider...he signed him as a free agent, and it would seriously hurt his reputation if he traded Schneider now.

Wow, an internet tough guy throwing around accusations and calling others names - you are scary.

Now, tell me this tough boy - Parros and May were with the team last year and we won the cup - this year we still have your superstar duo and we are abysmal - how come? Is it perhaps because we miss the skill provided by Selanne? Is it because we've aquired too many similiar style players who lack speed and skill?

Is it possible the main reason we got past Detroit in the playoffs was because Schneider was injured? Until then the Wings had the edge - or did Parros score some magnificent goal to turn the tide for us?

Think about it, then go back to looking at your poster of Parros tough guy!!:sarcasm:

Are you really this stupid or is this an act? I'll say it in bold for you

A big part of the Ducks winning the cup is because they got there healthy and this year the tandem of May and Parros are helping to keep them healthy again

Do you understand? :shakehead

I think Burke will try to trade DiPenta and if there are no takers then waive him. He has a two way contract so he can play for Portland for the rest of the season if no one wants him.

I think that is the best case scenario is Dipenta is waived, but I really think O'D is gone before my birthday (jan 19th). Perry is signed with the added tagging money, and we add a small aquistion at the deadline to help us in the playoffs.

I think that is the best case scenario is Dipenta is waived, but I really think O'D is gone before my birthday (jan 19th). Perry is signed with the added tagging money, and we add a small aquistion at the deadline to help us in the playoffs.
Still not even close to enough tagging money for Perry, unless he signs a 1 year deal for cheap so they can really re-sign him next year. Weight only gave us 2.3 million in credit. 2.3 + 1.2 = 3.5, which probably isn't enough for Perry. He should command 4.5 or so.

Still not even close to enough tagging money for Perry, unless he signs a 1 year deal for cheap so they can really re-sign him next year. Weight only gave us 2.3 million in credit. 2.3 + 1.2 = 3.5, which probably isn't enough for Perry. He should command 4.5 or so.

Do you know what happens if we waive Marchant? If he is released, we buy out his contract right? Does he still count as a hit against the cap next year?

If Niedermeyer doesn't play next year and the Ducks don't win the Cup this year, does that mean you gave MacDonald away for nothing?

If Niedermeyer doesn't play next year and the Ducks don't win the Cup this year, does that mean you gave MacDonald away for nothing?

No..space to sign perry?

I don't think I have replied to this trade.

I don't care if people 'low-balled' offers for Bert or Mathew. If there was ANY offer for either of those two, it should have been taken before trading away Andy.

This trade is dumb. I would have rather traded Andy for a 1st rounder or just a younger, cheaper forward.

Why the heck do we want Weight? How many old, overpaid, lazy dudes can we have on one squad? Do we have like 6 guys retiring at the end of the season?

Burke isn't building a franchise. We have no prospects and we've lost some youngish guys in Andy, Penner, etc who could have been part of this team for years. I really worry about this team next year and the 2-3 years after that.

Pretty funny stuff going on here

Doesn't this leave you guys with too many defensemen still? The cap urgency has been taken care of for now, but won't Burke still have to move a defenseman?

In a related topic, if BB does trade a D, then Niedermayer retires again next Summer, do you have some def. prospects looking to move up next season?

I don't think I have replied to this trade.

I don't care if people 'low-balled' offers for Bert or Mathew. If there was ANY offer for either of those two, it should have been taken before trading away Andy.

This trade is dumb. I would have rather traded Andy for a 1st rounder or just a younger, cheaper forward.

Why the heck do we want Weight? How many old, overpaid, lazy dudes can we have on one squad? Do we have like 6 guys retiring at the end of the season?

Burke isn't building a franchise. We have no prospects and we've lost some youngish guys in Andy, Penner, etc who could have been part of this team for years. I really worry about this team next year and the 2-3 years after that.


The only highly rated player we have on the horizon seems to be Ryan and the current team seems to have too many slow footed, so called character guys. Which is odd on a team that seems lacking of character once the puck is dropped.

Let's hope Nieds and Weight can add a spark and we can rescue this year.

I will be very POd if we suck so bad that the Oilers finish ahead of us - we need that high pick in this summers draft to improve the depth of the franchise.

For those interested Mac is wearing number 10 and if you have Center Ice you can catch his first game in about 10 minutes!

Doesn't this leave you guys with too many defensemen still? The cap urgency has been taken care of for now, but won't Burke still have to move a defenseman?



DiPenta has a two-way contract so he could be demoted once Huskins is healthy.

DiPenta has a two-way contract so he could be demoted once Huskins is healthy.

Players on two-way contracts may need to clear waivers before being demoted (i.e Patrick Thoresen on the Oilers) due to age / number of NHL games played.

DiPenta needs to clear waivers (see the "Y" on the right)

http://nhlscap.com/capnumbers/anaheim.htm

For those interested Mac is wearing number 10 and if you have Center Ice you can catch his first game in about 10 minutes!

Andy Mac and Kariya just hooked up for a goal!

if you ask me, St. Louis management seriously tarnished their reputation by playing this yoyo game with some of their players (like Tkachuk & Weight).

Losing andy hurts emtionally for, but effectively for this year and going forward I think the move makes sense.

It really made no sense to move Schneider considering Niedermayer may most likely retire in the offseason.

Odonnel & Marchant were the only people Id really consider moving besides him, but who knows what the offers for them were.

Andy Mac has just not been the same person Sans Selanne. It doesn't seem like Bertuzzi's & Andy Mac's skill sets mesh & Weight hopefully has more chemistry, but given that he seemed against the move, I hope Weight give it his all...

Players on two-way contracts may need to clear waivers before being demoted (i.e Patrick Thoresen on the Oilers) due to age / number of NHL games played.

DiPenta needs to clear waivers (see the "Y" on the right)

http://nhlscap.com/capnumbers/anaheim.htm

Good I hope he gets claimed.

For those worried/laughing at Weight not wanting to go to Anaheim.

In the pregame interview he was laughing, joking & seemed perfectly fine with joining the Ducks. It's a business & he's been around long enough to know that (perhaps after a day or two to absorb it).

I think that he's a good fit given the circumstances & wish him the best. Now if he can get 2 points like Andy did earlier tonight with his first game with the Blues all will be well with the world.

McDonald with a goal and assist in his debut, but the blues lost.

Well trade looks good for both players so far. Great debuts for both.

Adam Oates part deux? Let's hope.

Okay. Based on game one of the Doug Weight era in Anaheim, I was wrong. He looked quite good.

Okay. Based on game one of the Doug Weight era in Anaheim, I was wrong. He looked quite good.

He really did look good. DFC approves. :D

For what's it worth, Selanne hated his trade to Anaheim at first but it worked out pretty well in the end...

Okay. Based on game one of the Doug Weight era in Anaheim, I was wrong. He looked quite good.

Seriously, he didn't look old, tired, lazy, or slow. What the hell are people talking about.

I really like Andy McDonald, but he's 30 years old and one more season from being a UFA. A UFA that I guarantee you that Burke would not resign. This trade makes a huge amount of sense to me.

Weight looked great last night. Once Ryan gets a bit more confortable in the NHL, that might be a very very solid line.

Weight looked great last night. Once Ryan gets a bit more confortable in the NHL, that might be a very very solid line.
I think so also.

Bert, Weight, and Ryan seemed to play well and should improve in the next few games as they get their timing better. I think they can make a good scoring line.

My only concern over that line is their defense. Weight is solid but a bit slow to react on D, Bert struggles, and Ryan is just plain lost (except for that one shift where he picked 3 sharks pockets in their own end zone). I hope our Norris trophy winning coach is able to up that line's defensive play.

Doug Weight is going to be huge for you guys.


What's the story on Michal Birner?

So I have a long term thought related to this move. This trade, in essence, is saying that the team does not want small, fast, skilled players. Instead the team is going to more of a size and forecheck based offense. Which is fine and dandy, different ways to get the job done.

Now on a seemingly unrelated tangent, consider that the other big strength of the Ducks is the college FA. To be quite honest, our drafting has downright SUCKED until about 2002, when Bryan Murray came in. The team has compensated by getting strong compensations from undrafted college free agents. Glencross, Kunitz, McDonald, Shannon, Penner, Dingle, Carter, Goepfert (even though he was drafted, he never was signed by the Pens), Ebbett (who played in the AHL 1 year after college), and I'm sure I'm missing some.

But I get the impression that (college) undrafted UFAs tend to be of the small and skilled variety. Because the big guys tend to have been drafted out of high school (like the Boyle or Wheeler) as project picks. This is by far the weakest link of this theory, because I'm not sure how true this characterization is, but I do notice it with our free agents. Penner's the only big guy, but he had such an unusual ascent that he can't really serve as an example of ANYTHING. Carter, Glencross and Kunitz are in a more physical mold, but they are really just average in size and play bigger than they really are. But in general, it seems like undrafted UFAs who get signed tend to play less of a crash-and-bang style.

So my concern is that by going with a blueprint of bigger guys who aren't so good with speed and transition offense in the NHL, are we also cutting ourselves off from one of the biggest strengths, the ability to sign undrafted UFAs? Will the Ducks no longer be able to acquire talent like McDonald because that kind of talent will no longer be successful on the team because of incompatible linemates and play styles?

On the other hand, maybe this isn't a big deal because drafting will improve and make this irrelevant?

Doug Weight is going to be huge for you guys.


What's the story on Michal Birner?

The reports say that he's a good skater, and he has good all-around skill, but having never seen him play, that's all I can say. It's not much, but, well... :( Hopefully, we'll get to see at some point, or he'll do well in the AHL.

Now on a seemingly unrelated tangent, consider that the other big strength of the Ducks is the college FA. To be quite honest, our drafting has downright SUCKED until about 2002, when Bryan Murray came in.

The only comment I'd make is don't be so quick to assume the drafting has been better since 2002.

2002 - 1 player in Lupul

2003 - Getzlaf, Perry, Miller, O'Brien

That is great, but two from the 1st round of the best draft in a long time. Miller the jury is still out on. O'Brien was a steal, no question.

2004 - Smid

2005 and on way too early to tell. They look good now, but so did every other draft one or two years later.

Every team has to explore every means of getting players into the system. That hasn't and won't change.

if you ask me, St. Louis management seriously tarnished their reputation by playing this yoyo game with some of their players (like Tkachuk & Weight).

Losing andy hurts emtionally for, but effectively for this year and going forward I think the move makes sense.

It really made no sense to move Schneider considering Niedermayer may most likely retire in the offseason.

Odonnel & Marchant were the only people Id really consider moving besides him, but who knows what the offers for them were.

Andy Mac has just not been the same person Sans Selanne. It doesn't seem like Bertuzzi's & Andy Mac's skill sets mesh & Weight hopefully has more chemistry, but given that he seemed against the move, I hope Weight give it his all...


Exactly how do you figure St. Louis has tarnished their rep? And with who exactly?

Exactly how do you figure St. Louis has tarnished their rep? And with who exactly?
Among players it may have from reading Weights comments here (http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-morning-skate/2007/12/weight-traded-to-anaheim/).

I have no idea how it went down, but from reading that it sounds like Weight was pressured or forced to waive his no trade clause. If that is what happened it may affect if and how UFAs sign with your team.

For what's it worth, Selanne hated his trade to Anaheim at first but it worked out pretty well in the end...

forgive me but I forgot, who did we trade for him?

forgive me but I forgot, who did we trade for him?

Tverdovsky and Kilger...

The only comment I'd make is don't be so quick to assume the drafting has been better since 2002.

2002 - 1 player in Lupul

2003 - Getzlaf, Perry, Miller, O'Brien

That is great, but two from the 1st round of the best draft in a long time. Miller the jury is still out on. O'Brien was a steal, no question.

2004 - Smid

2005 and on way too early to tell. They look good now, but so did every other draft one or two years later.

Every team has to explore every means of getting players into the system. That hasn't and won't change.
Well considering that the 1st round picks are at least making it into the NHL in any capacity (compared to Smirnov, Chistov, Holmqvist ... even Vishnevsky is a disappointment), it's not a stretch to say the drafting is better. I won't say the drafting has been good, because most of the picks are too young to really judge. Really with the wait-5-years thing I'd only want to grade up until 2002, but 2003 was obviously a good draft since we already have 2 stars.

And until I'm proved wrong, I'm still down on Ryan.

The only comment I'd make is don't be so quick to assume the drafting has been better since 2002.

2002 - 1 player in Lupul

2003 - Getzlaf, Perry, Miller, O'Brien

That is great, but two from the 1st round of the best draft in a long time. Miller the jury is still out on. O'Brien was a steal, no question.

2004 - Smid

2005 and on way too early to tell. They look good now, but so did every other draft one or two years later.

Every team has to explore every means of getting players into the system. That hasn't and won't change.

Lupul did well for us, and we probably wouldn't have gotten Pronger if it wasn't for him.

Don't need to say anything about the 2003 class.

Smid-see Lupul.

Smid is a good talent. We would have liked to see him in Anaheim, trust me. Still, I don't regret seeing him in Edmonton because it means we see Pronger here.

So that Lupul in Philly eh....

I never liked Smid. I just don't think he has a top pairing talent in him. Solid 3rd-4th d-man, yes.

Well considering that the 1st round picks are at least making it into the NHL in any capacity (compared to Smirnov, Chistov, Holmqvist ... even Vishnevsky is a disappointment), it's not a stretch to say the drafting is better.

At this point Smid could turn out no better than Vishnevski. The Smirnov bust is balanced by Bryzgalov in the 2nd round. I just really don't see any overall trend of improved drafting.

One really good year (2003) and a pair of really bad ones (1997 and 2001). Other than those they consistently pull one NHL player per year, maybe two. Which isn't very good as most people would agree.


And until I'm proved wrong, I'm still down on Ryan.

But the drafting is better? Very well could be Chistov part II :)

For the record I'm not down on Ryan yet. He's too young to give up hope.

Whatever, maybe the drafting hasn't improved. I think it has improved from abysmal to so-so, but there's certainly no definitive proof because it's too early to say so. And I wouldn't give up on Ryan. I'm just thinking that he'll end up a 2nd liner, compared to the best offensive player on the team and All-Star, which he could be if he put all his offensive tools together with decent skating and defense. I wouldn't want him traded because there's still hope (and plenty of time) that he could become an offensive force, but I'm certainly not expecting much out of him.

But all this draft talk has almost nothing to do with my original post, which was the concern that the team's blueprint will mean that we're not going to be able to attract as much college FA talent. I'm surprised no one has commented on that at all.

Odds are, however, Burke will need to free up a little more space before signing Perry. However, it doesn't necessarily have to be a trade. It could be as simple as buying out a player at season's end.

Just what it will take to get Perry done is the key question. His agent is Pat Morris of Newport Sports, who just polished off a $69-million, 12-year deal for centre Mike Richards in Philadelphia. Burke refused to speculate, but I doubt the Ducks want to pay Perry more than $4 million a season. I venture to guess Morris will begin proceedings much closer to the $5.3 million a year Perry's linemate, Ryan Getzlaf, got in his extension earlier this season

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2007/12/17/lebrun_perry/

One thing of note from the above article... Perry's agent is the same as Mike Richards ...

Interesting...here were the other moves that Burkey was working on before deciding on the Mac trade.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Sports/Hockey/2007/12/23/4737792-sun.html
Here are the deals that died when Anaheim moved McDonald to St. Louis: D Sean O'Donnell to Philly, D Mathieu Schneider to Chicago and D Shane Hnidy to Dallas were all being worked on, but Ducks GM Brian Burke didn't want to diminish the club's strength on the blue line

Interesting...here were the other moves that Burkey was working on before deciding on the Mac trade.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Sports/Hockey/2007/12/23/4737792-sun.html

Here are the deals that died when Anaheim moved McDonald to St. Louis: D Sean O'Donnell to Philly, D Mathieu Schneider to Chicago and D Shane Hnidy to Dallas were all being worked on, but Ducks GM Brian Burke didn't want to diminish the club's strength on the blue line

:dunno: I don't think that we're allowed to use those in the same sentence here on HF...:sarcasm:

Interesting...here were the other moves that Burkey was working on before deciding on the Mac trade.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Sports/Hockey/2007/12/23/4737792-sun.html
Author: Bruce Garrioch.

Click.

Although the OD rumor seemed to be legit as it was mentioned in multiple sources, including a Chicago newspaper.

I'd bet anything it was for Ben Eager, too. Ben Eager seems to be that type of player Burke would absolutely love to add. He could be like Sean Avery, minus being a bigot. Plus, we could never trade for Sean Avery. Not with Hazy around. Although if we were to sign/trade for Avery, I think it'd be most fitting to hold a presser and have Hazy and him hug it out or something.

I'd bet anything it was for Ben Eager, too. Ben Eager seems to be that type of player Burke would absolutely love to add. He could be like Sean Avery, minus being a bigot. Plus, we could never trade for Sean Avery. Not with Hazy around. Although if we were to sign/trade for Avery, I think it'd be most fitting to hold a presser and have Hazy and him hug it out or something.

LOL, Hazy would leave the team if that ever happened.

Not that Burkey would trade for him. Stranger things have happened though I suppose. I never thought that we would be getting Jeff Friesen again.

Nice speculation about Eager. You are probably correct. I could totally see Burkey doing that trade.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2007/12/17/lebrun_perry/

One thing of note from the above article... Perry's agent is the same as Mike Richards ...

Perry isn't getting 12 years in Anaheim, and both he and his agent know that.

yea i would agree perry wont get 12 years, doesn't seem burkey's style. anyway i thik the trade is just fine with weight centering ryan and kunitz for now. Some of his passes amaze me cuz i have never really watched weight play, and he should help the PP. McDonald was great last year, but he will always be a complimentary player and need a Selanne or Kariya to be productive. If we could have swung it to let him play the LW with Perry and Getzlaf that might have worked but i think their styles clashed too much and created too many line problems if carlyle did that.

Also Birner is not really a slouch and has some nice upside. i believed he scored 81 points in 60 games in 05 playing in the OHL. which could possibly translate to at least 60 points at the NHL level, and ill take that on a 2nd line in the future. many expected him to crack the blues this season, but he has struggled so lets see if he can pic it up. IMO Burke was a genius with this trade.

A thought, with burkes five picks in the top 3 rounds, do you think he swings a deal fora goal scorer if teemu doesn't come back? maybe get rid of marchant's contract and 2 picks for a goal scorer? we need it.

A thought, with burkes five picks in the top 3 rounds, do you think he swings a deal fora goal scorer if teemu doesn't come back? maybe get rid of marchant's contract and 2 picks for a goal scorer? we need it.

I think he waits a bit to see how Bobby Ryan works out. The kid has improved so much since the beginning of the season it's not even funny. He's not going to replace Selanne (nor should anyone expect him to) but there's no need to pull the trigger on a trade when the team might not be desperate for one. 7 out of 8 possible points is pretty good.

Wait, five picks? Are you sure about that?

I think we have four. Edmonton's First-Third and our third.

no im not sure, did we trade our 2nd round pick to get parros last year? i remember hearing we traded a 2nd round pick for him but i wasn't sure if it was last year or this year.

No our 2nd is gone from Pronger. Parros was a 2nd from last year.

Incidentally, that 2nd is now with the Islanders, it's the one Edmonton traded to get their 3rd back.