Rank your team's greatest players in order..

Was thinking about ranking Ajax' players in order; previous and current players mixed, in the Ajax academy thread, but then I realised I wanted to know more about lists from other teams as well. I believe we tried this a while ago, only with academy educated players only. But that's rather hard and we all know who would win that.. :D

The criteria is simple: every player, who ever wore your team's favorite colors, is eligeble. You do not necessarely have to look at what the player did for your club, but you look at the player in general. If Diego Maradonna only played one lousy minute for your team, you'd still place him 1st (most likely). Players who went through the youth setup, but didn't play a single game, are not eligble.

I'll shoot first and have a go at AFC Ajax:

01) Johan Cruijff
02) Johan Neeskens
03) Piet Keizer
04) Sjaak Swart
05) Johnny Rep
06) Marco van Basten
07) Dennis Bergkamp
08) Piet van Reenen
09) Frank Rijkaard
10) Jaap Stam
11) Wim Jonk
12) Patrick Kluivert
13) Ronald Koeman
14) Ruud Geels
15) Frank de Boer
16) Clarence Seedorf
17) Jari Litmanen
18) Michael Laudrup
19) Danny Blind
20) John Bosman
21) Henk Groot
22) Jan Wouters
23) Edwin van der Sar
24) Gerald Vanenburg
25) Ronald de Boer
26) Wim Kieft
27) Marc Overmars
28) Edgar Davids
29) Richard Witschge
30) Soren Lerby
31) Rafael van der Vaart
32) Wesley Sneijder
33) Arie Haan
34) Wim Jansen
35) Zlatan Ibrahimovic
36) John van t Schip
37) Christian Chivu
38) Rinus Michels
39) Klaas-Jan Huntelaar
40) Finidi George
41) Aaron Winter
42) N****o Kanu
43) Brian Laudrup
44) Wim Suurbier
45) Piet Schrijvers
46) Brian Roy
47) Bennie McCarthy
48) Danny Landzaat
49) Maxwell
50) Ryan Babel



HM: Trabelsi, Mido, Bogarde, Heitinga, Melchiot, Babangida, van den Brom, de Cler, Galasek, Stekelenburg, Grygera.

Litmanen only at 17? :(

Placing him above Michael Laudrup hinted the bias I have towards him, yet 17th is really the highest he can be placed. What's your team? I'm curious to see other teams listed..

What's your team? I'm curious to see other teams listed..
Don't really have one. Inter Turku would be the best I could do, but I think that would be pretty poinless :)

Leeds Utd is probably my favorite foreign team, but unfortunately I don't really know their history well enough to make a list like that.

Manchester City
1) Bert Trautmann
2) Colin Bell
3) Peter Schmeichel
4) George Weah
5) Georgiou Kinkladze
6) Niall Quinn
7) Francis Lee
8) Mike Summerbee
9) Peter Doherty
10) David Seaman

I must add that numbers 4 and 10 on this list were terrible when they ran out for City though.

This is only from what I've seen (not players In the past I haven't seen such as Bobby Charlton, George Best)


1. Roy Keane
2. Eric Cantona
3. Ryan Giggs
4. Paul Scholes
5. Ruud Van Nistelrooy
6. Paul McGrath
7. Peter Schmeichel
8. Andy Cole
9. Dennis Irwin
10. Gary Neville
11. Mark Hughes
12. Cristiano Ronaldo (Will prob rise in a few years)
13. Wayne Rooney (Might rise in a few years)
14. Jaap Stam
15. David Beckham
16. Gary Pallister
17. Paul Ince
18. Steve Bruce
19. Brian McClair
20. Andrei Kanchelskis
21. Bryan Robson
22. Kevin Moran
23. Norman Whiteside
24. Ole Gunnar Solskjær
25. Dwight Yorke
26. Rio Ferdinand (will prob rise)
27. Teddy Sherinham
28. Philip Neville
29. Nicky Butt
30. Lee Sharpe

Bet you didn't expect a list for the Colorado Rapids? Well I couldn't bring myself to use the exact criteria (plus I didn't read the OP close enough!), so I'm only counting players who had one productive season. Players that came in on their last legs get a downgrade (Wegerle, Limpar, Diaz Arce, etc). If a player had 2 good seasons, I try and rank them at their peak. It doesn't help that MLS had so few games on TV until the last few years. Anyone 2004-on, I might actually have saw more than a few times. My last few picks are underrated guys or newer signings that should pan out (sorry to similar guys 1996-2003).

01. Carlos Valderrama
02. John Spencer
03. Pablo Mastroeni
04. Joe Cannon
05. Robin Fraser
06. Marcus Hahnemann
07. Marcelo Balboa
08. Chris Henderson
09. Mark Chung
10. Jeff Cunningham
11. Adin Brown
12. Anders Limpar
13. Roy Wegerle
14. Shaun Bartlett
15. Jean Philippe Peguero
16. Raul Diaz Arce
17. Jorge Dely Valdes
18. Kyle Beckerman
19. Ross Paule
20. Mike Petke
21. Nat Borchers
22. Dedi Ben Dayan
23. Terry Cooke
24. Wolde Harris
25. Ritchie Kotschau
26. Scott Garlick
27. Steve Trittschuh
28. Bouna Coundoul
29. Conor Casey
30. Jean Harbor
31. Junior Agogo
32. Alain Nkong
33. Matt Crawford
34. Hunter Freeman
35. Colin Clark
36. Herculez Gomez
37. Ugo Ihemelu

1. Steven Gerrard
2. Kenny Dalglish
3. Ian Rush
4. Robbie Fowler (not dropping him any lower. Nothing can make me.)
5. John Barnes
6. Bruce Grobbelaar
7. Kevin Keegan
8. Graeme Souness
9. Alan Hansen
10. Roger Hunt

In good conscience, I can't put Carragher there. Maybe I'm nuts.

PSV! I am really unsure on where to put players from the olden days though. it's more a personal preference than a true order of greatness probably.

1 Ronald Koeman
2 Ruud Gullit
3 Romario
4 Phillip Cocu
5 Ronaldo
5 Willy van der Kuylen
6 Willy van de Kerkhof
7 Luc Nilis
8 Hans van Breukelen
9 Ruud van Nistelrooy
10 Jaap Stam
11 Erik Gerets
12 Heurelho da Silva Gomes
13 Jan van Beveren
14 Sören Lerby
15 Jan Heintze
16 Gerald Vanenburg
17 Coen Dillen (should be higher probably)
18 Mark van Bommel
19 JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL





HM (ie. i don't know where to put em or forgot before edit):
Wim Kieft
Alex
Mateja Kezman
Ruud Geels
Halvarr Thoresen
John Bosman
Piet Kruiver
Hans Gilhaus
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink
Kalusha Bwalya
Wim Jonk
Patrick Kluivert
Gheorge Popescu




I think my list isn't that good :D I gotta fix the order later today.

Bloody hell, I'd probably be here all day for a 50 for Chelsea since I can never settle. I'll try expanding it but a top 5 would look like

1. Gianfranco Zola
2. Peter Osgood
3. John Terry
4. Roy Bentley
5. Frank Lampard

Zola and Osgood could switch around at times, they were both THE face of their club in their eras. Terry captains the current successful team and embodies the club, Bentley the same for the 1950s team that won the league, and Lampard is the top scoring midfielder in the history of the club now.

1. Steven Gerrard
2. Kenny Dalglish
3. Ian Rush
4. Robbie Fowler (not dropping him any lower. Nothing can make me.)
5. John Barnes
6. Bruce Grobbelaar
7. Kevin Keegan
8. Graeme Souness
9. Alan Hansen
10. Roger Hunt

In good conscience, I can't put Carragher there. Maybe I'm nuts.

I'm a big fan of Gerrard, but Kenny D has to be number one.. Agree on Fowler though.. There is a good reason, why he's called God around Anfield

If I were to do this for PSG, I'm guessing players like Ronaldinho, Rai, Ricardo, Suzic, Jean Djorkaeff, Youri Djorkaeff, M'Pelé, Bianchi, Luis Fernandez, Rocheteau, Bats, Bathenay, Vujovic, Calderon, Ginola, Le Guen, Valdo, Kambouaré, Weah, Guérin, Roche, Lama, Leonardo, Simone, Heinze, Pauleta, Sorin, Anelka would be part of it.

A ranking would be too hard but a tier ranking could be made :

1st tier (impact players with or without PSG) : Ronaldinho, Rai, Bats, Rocheteau, Y. Djorkaeff, J. Djorkaeff, Valdo, Fernandez, Ricardo, Lama, Leonardo, Suzic, Bianchi, Weah.
2nd tier : Pauleta, Anelka, Vujovic, Calderon, Ginola, Le Guen.
3rd tier (had a nice impact on PSG) : Guérin, Roche, Sorin, Simone, Kambouaré, Bathenay, M'Pelé, Heinze.

I'm sure I forgot some.

For Caen, it would feature : Bodmer, Rothen, Gouffran (soon! :D ), Gallas, Zubar, Riou, K. Andersson, Calderon, Cauet, Domergue, Dumas, Dutruel, Mendy, Née, Paille, Sommeil, Tafforeau, Vahirua and most of all Xavier Gravelaine and Jesper Olsen.

Since being a fan of a smaller team i highly doubt that many recognize a lot of players....

1.FC Kaiserslautern

1) Fritz Walter
2) Ronnie Hellström
3) Klaus Toppmöller
4) Hans-Peter Briegel
5) Ottmar Walter
6) Horst Eckel
7) Werner Liebrich
8) Roland Sandberg
9) Stefan Kuntz
10) Miroslav Kadlec
11) Gerald Ehrmann
12) Andreas Brehme
13) Werner Melzer
14) Ernst Diehl
15) Josef Pirrung
16) Miroslav Klose

Hmm, i could go on with Dietmar Schwager & friends, but i think i´ve left enough people clueless :D;)

I'm a big fan of Gerrard, but Kenny D has to be number one.. Agree on Fowler though.. There is a good reason, why he's called God around Anfield
That's fair. I mainly put Gerrard number 1 because he's the guy I've seen the most out of both he and King Kenny.

1. Steven Gerrard
2. Kenny Dalglish
3. Ian Rush
4. Robbie Fowler (not dropping him any lower. Nothing can make me.)
5. John Barnes
6. Bruce Grobbelaar
7. Kevin Keegan
8. Graeme Souness
9. Alan Hansen
10. Roger Hunt

In good conscience, I can't put Carragher there. Maybe I'm nuts.

Excellent list! I would have tried to get these players in

Sami Hyypiä - over 420 games for Pool.
Jamie Carragher - I think hes close to 500 games.
Michael Owen - 158 goals in just under 300 games!
Steve McManaman
John Aldridge - 63 goals in 2 seasons, was one of the best strikers in the world while at liverpool!
Mark Lawrenson
Steve Nicol

You do not necessarely have to look at what the player did for your club, but you look at the player in general. If Diego Maradonna only played one lousy minute for your team, you'd still place him 1st (most likely).

I'll shoot first and have a go at AFC Ajax:

01) Johan Cruijff
02) Johan Neeskens
03) Piet Keizer
04) Sjaak Swart
05) Johnny Rep
06) Marco van Basten
07) Dennis Bergkamp
08) Piet van Reenen
09) Frank Rijkaard
10) Jaap Stam
11) Wim Jonk
12) Patrick Kluivert
13) Ronald Koeman
14) Ruud Geels
15) Frank de Boer
16) Clarence Seedorf
17) Jari Litmanen
18) Michael Laudrup
19) Danny Blind
20) John Bosman
21) Henk Groot
22) Jan Wouters
23) Edwin van der Sar
24) Gerald Vanenburg
25) Ronald de Boer
26) Wim Kieft
27) Marc Overmars
28) Edgar Davids
29) Richard Witschge
30) Soren Lerby
31) Rafael van der Vaart
32) Wesley Sneijder
33) Arie Haan
34) Wim Jansen
35) Zlatan Ibrahimovic
36) John van t Schip
37) Christian Chivu
38) Rinus Michels
39) Klaas-Jan Huntelaar
40) Finidi George
41) Aaron Winter
42) N****o Kanu
43) Brian Laudrup
44) Wim Suurbier
45) Piet Schrijvers
46) Brian Roy
47) Bennie McCarthy
48) Danny Landzaat
49) Maxwell
50) Ryan Babel



HM: Trabelsi, Mido, Bogarde, Heitinga, Melchiot, Babangida, van den Brom, de Cler, Galasek, Stekelenburg, Grygera.

Plyaers highlighted in black: you most likely saw them more in the Ajax shirt than I did, and I'm not sure if you're ranking them solely on their Ajax and Holland NT play, but I think these players might be a bit too high compared to some other players.

Jonk had a good shot, good scoring record for a midfielder and good career overall in his prime, but I wouldn't put him ahead of R.Koeman, Litmanen, M.Laudrup. Even Ibrahimovic might be considered soon (after this season) to be ahead of him. Given their positions and roles on the field, even Davids, Seedorf and van der Sar might be ahead of him. I'd rate Jonk in the same league as F. de Boer.

As some of the best available for the Dutch at that time and with a good enough scoring record, Bosman and Kieft were not elite or near the best ones in their positions (in world scale) imo, so I think you have them around the right ranking, but some of the players I mentioned in the previous chapter should be ahead of/on par with them.

And while the younger Witschge was skilful and professional type of player, and again I think you have him around the right spot in your rankings, I think he should fall a bit in not so distant future. I think placing him just above Sneijder right now looks okay, though.

I thought that Arie Haan was held in higher regard than that, but I guess my image of him might be blurred by his performances in the World Cups, which is pretty much the only taped games I've seen from him. Maybe you hold it against him playing his club football "only" in Holland and Belgium, although they were probably comparatively better standard leagues back then than now (certainly Belgium's was).

If you have time, maybe you can expand you reasoning on some of choices a bit?

This is only from what I've seen (not players In the past I haven't seen such as Bobby Charlton, George Best)


1. Roy Keane
2. Eric Cantona
3. Ryan Giggs
4. Paul Scholes
5. Ruud Van Nistelrooy
6. Paul McGrath
7. Peter Schmeichel
8. Andy Cole
9. Dennis Irwin
10. Gary Neville
11. Mark Hughes
12. Cristiano Ronaldo (Will prob rise in a few years)
13. Wayne Rooney (Might rise in a few years)
14. Jaap Stam
15. David Beckham
16. Gary Pallister
17. Paul Ince
18. Steve Bruce
19. Brian McClair
20. Andrei Kanchelskis
21. Bryan Robson
22. Kevin Moran
23. Norman Whiteside
24. Ole Gunnar Solskjær
25. Dwight Yorke
26. Rio Ferdinand (will prob rise)
27. Teddy Sherinham
28. Philip Neville
29. Nicky Butt
30. Lee Sharpe

I don't agree with some of your rankings here, most notably Paul McGrath. While undoubtably one of the most talented defenders of his generation, I think his unprofessionalism (alcoholism) and injuries (knees) should work against him. Even if he was great at Aston Villa with those faults of him. But if you put Bruce and Pallister that low, then McGrath shouldn't be that high. Even if he was more talented in some ways, but the Bruce - Pallister pair could defend as a unit like few others.

Bryan Robson is way too low when compared to the above mentioned and others as well, he was more important than McGrath in in those years' ManU team. Rooney is not (yet anyway) near Bryan Robson in terms of impact and importance in ManU history. Cantona and Giggs I give you before him, maybe his successor Keane as well.
Considering position he played, maybe Schmeichel. Others are very debatable.

Plyaers highlighted in black: you most likely saw them more in the Ajax shirt than I did, and I'm not sure if you're ranking them solely on their Ajax and Holland NT play, but I think these players might be a bit too high compared to some other players.

Jonk had a good shot, good scoring record for a midfielder and good career overall in his prime, but I would put him ahead of R.Koeman, Litmanen, M.Laudrup. Even Ibrahimovic might be considered soon (after this season) to be ahead of him. Given their positions and roles on the field, even Davids, Seedorf and van der Sar might be ahead of him. I'd rate Jonk in the same league as F. de Boer.

As some of the best available for the Dutch at that time and with a good enough scoring record, Bosman and Kieft were not elite or near the best ones in their positions (in world scale) imo, so I think you have them around the right ranking, but some of the players I mentioned in the previous chapter should be ahead of/on par with them.

And while the younger Witschge was skilful and professional type of player, and again I think you have him around the right spot in your rankings, I think he should fall a bit in not so distant future. I think placing him just above Sneijder right now looks okay, though.

I thought that Arie Haan was held in higher regard than that, but I guess my image of him might be blurred by his performances in the World Cups, which is pretty much the only taped games I've seen from him. Maybe you hold it against him playing his club football "only" in Holland and Belgium, although they were probably comparatively better standard leagues back then than now (certainly Belgium's was).

If you have time, maybe you can expand you reasoning on some of choices a bit?


Wim Jonk is one of the biggest reasons why Dennis Bergkamp was such a succesful goalscorer for Ajax and not so much anywhere else. The two were one of the greatest duo's in as well Ajax' as Oranje history. Jonk was arguably the smartest player I have ever witnessed donning the Ajax shirt. He had pin point passing and crossing, could take out his man yet contribute significantly offensively and stepped it up during crunchtime. He's always been underrated throughout his career as he lived in Bergkamp's shadow for most of his prime years but few midfielders in the history of the game could anchor an entire midfield the way Jonk could. He also had one of the hardest shots you'll ever see. Dutch MVP during the WC 94 in the United States. I think he is a simular player to Philip Cocu, but a tad better. That said, he and Koeman aren't far apart. Both were among the best of their respective positions.

Here one of his rockets, proving both his shot and his clutchness (UEFA Cup final): fW5opSkLfsM

Litmanen was, by far, the most popular foreign Ajacied in history. But his injuries and lack of WC and EC experience can not make me place him higher than 17th. Jonk was by far the more consistent threat throughout their careers, both for club and nation. Laudrup is indeed a candidate to be placed higher than Jonk, but I witnessed Laudrup in his downfall and didn't pay enough attention to him prior or after his Ajax tenure.

Davids, van der Sar and Seedorf are still active and playing high competitive football. They will surely rise on the list.

Wim Kieft has scored 200 goals in 400 career games, including a 32 goal season for Ajax and a 28 goal season for PSV. He also scored one of the most important goals in Oranje history, scoring the game winner vs Ireland in the last group match to advance. Oranje went on to win the 1988 EC.

Bosman is placed there due to his consistency and longlivity. He had 13 (!) seasons where he played in at least 30 games. He averages over half a goal per game throughout his career and was convinced Rinus Michels, prior to the EC in 1988, that he was better than Marco van Basten.

Witschge will indeed fall with the rise of Sneijder, van der Vaart and the likes.

Arie Haan should be higher on the list. He was a last minute addition as his name popped in my mind right before I clicked on 'submit'. Should be in the top 15. I believe he won 4 CL's (UEFA Cup I). He also had a huge shot.

He's always been underrated throughout his career as he lived in Bergkamp's shadow for most of his prime years but few midfielders in the history of the game could anchor an entire midfield the way Jonk could. He also had one of the hardest shots you'll ever see. Dutch MVP during the WC 94 in the United States.


Thanks. I'm probably one of those quilty as charged on underrating Jonk.

During WC'94 I ranked all the featured players in all the matches on a scale of 1 (Sunday league level performance) to 10 (World class performance). Your post made me check my ratings and comments on various players from back then.

I gave Jonk 6 (vs. S-Arabia, where he scored), 7 (vs. Belgium), 7 (vs. Mexico), 7 (vs. Ireland, scored), 6 (vs. Brazil) for an average of 6.6, which was good enough for 6th amongst Dutch playing at least 4 matches (behind Bergkamp, Valckx, F. de Boer, De Goey and Rijkaard). Winter also got higher ratings but in less games.

In my comments I was very critical on R.Koeman, Wouters, R.de Boer (played only two first games plus one sub appearance in the last game) and to a lesser extent Rijkaard.

So it seems I was underating him already back then, judging his performance to be only amongst middle of the pack in that Dutch side.:)

I don't agree with some of your rankings here, most notably Paul McGrath. While undoubtably one of the most talented defenders of his generation, I think his unprofessionalism (alcoholism) and injuries (knees) should work against him. Even if he was great at Aston Villa with those faults of him. But if you put Bruce and Pallister that low, then McGrath shouldn't be that high. Even if he was more talented in some ways, but the Bruce - Pallister pair could defend as a unit like few others.

Bryan Robson is way too low when compared to the above mentioned and others as well, he was more important than McGrath in in those years' ManU team. Rooney is not (yet anyway) near Bryan Robson in terms of impact and importance in ManU history. Cantona and Giggs I give you before him, maybe his successor Keane as well.
Considering position he played, maybe Schmeichel. Others are very debatable.

I agree with most of what you wrote but I thought this was list your teams greatest players in your opinion.... If it wasn't I just would have went to the United website and copied and pasted the top 100 red legends which has George Best #1, Bobby Charlton # 2 and Eric Cantona # 3

No defender in my eyes played as well as McGrath did in a reds shirt. Could Ferdinand, Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Neville be better? Of course.. but not in my eyes. If you want an "official" top greatest players I can list that.

I agree with most of what you wrote but I thought this was list your teams greatest players in your opinion.... If it wasn't I just would have went to the United website and copied and pasted the top 100 red legends which has George Best #1, Bobby Charlton # 2 and Eric Cantona # 3

No defender in my eyes played as well as McGrath did in a reds shirt. Could Ferdinand, Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Neville be better? Of course.. but not in my eyes. If you want an "official" top greatest players I can list that.

Of course it's your list and you're entitled to your opinion as much as anybody, I was just surprised on the order of some of the players.

I thought Cantona had been elected player of the 20th century in ManU?

Another Man Utd list:

1. Bobby Charlton
2. George Best
3. Peter Schmeichel
4. Denis Law
5. Ryan Giggs
6. Eric Cantona
7. Roy Keane
8. Bryan Robson
9. Ruud van Nistelrooy
10. Johnny Carey

I left Duncan Edwards out of the list despite the fact that he's arguably the most gifted player United have ever produced.

I'm really unsure about positions 9 and 10 though. Carey's career wasn't as great as it could have been due to WW2 for instance.

So hard, but I try it with Borussia Dortmund:

1 Matthias Sammer
2 Jürgen Kohler
3 Andreas Möller
4 Stephane Chapuisat
5 Julio Cesar
6 Lothar Emmerich
7 Paulo Sousa
8 Marcio Amoroso
9 Torsten Frings
10 Tomas Rosicky
11Karheinz Riedle
12 Michael Zorc
13 Siggi Held
14 Adi Preißler
15 Aki Schmidt
16 Sebastian Kehl
17 Dede
18Stefan Reuter
19 Jörg Heinrich
20 Hans Tilkowski
21 Christian Wörns
22 Alex Frei
23 Thomas Helmer
24 Frank Mill
25 Norbert Dickel
26 Manni Burgsmüller
27 Murdo Mc Leod
28 Marcel Raducanu
29 Eike Immel
30 Fredi Bobic
31 Steffen Freund
32 Heiko Herrlich
33 Stefan Klos
34 Lars Ricken
35 Flemming Povlsen
36 Paul Lambert
37 Patrik Berger
38 Robert Kovac
39 Jürgen Wegmann
40 Sergej Barbarez

Of course it's your list and you're entitled to your opinion as much as anybody, I was just surprised on the order of some of the players.

Me too. Schmeichel for starters should have been higher. Then again I can understand some of them. When I'm not too lazy maybe I'll do a Barça list. We did it with the current squad two years and mine proved to be spot on at the time.

Wim Jonk is one of the biggest reasons why Dennis Bergkamp was such a succesful goalscorer for Ajax and not so much anywhere else. The two were one of the greatest duo's in as well Ajax' as Oranje history. Jonk was arguably the smartest player I have ever witnessed donning the Ajax shirt. He had pin point passing and crossing, could take out his man yet contribute significantly offensively and stepped it up during crunchtime. He's always been underrated throughout his career as he lived in Bergkamp's shadow for most of his prime years but few midfielders in the history of the game could anchor an entire midfield the way Jonk could. He also had one of the hardest shots you'll ever see. Dutch MVP during the WC 94 in the United States. I think he is a simular player to Philip Cocu, but a tad better. That said, he and Koeman aren't far apart. Both were among the best of their respective positions.

Here one of his rockets, proving both his shot and his clutchness (UEFA Cup final): fW5opSkLfsM

Wim Kieft has scored 200 goals in 400 career games, including a 32 goal season for Ajax and a 28 goal season for PSV. He also scored one of the most important goals in Oranje history, scoring the game winner vs Ireland in the last group match to advance. Oranje went on to win the 1988 EC.

Jonk scored one of the most amazing goals I've ever seen while at PSV. He had the best shot on the team despite Nilis being there as well. 3rd goal hereR_3MVU7658g
I've always wondered why the Bergkamp/Jonk combo didn't work out for Inter.
Slight note: i wouldn't rate him over Cocu though. Though indeed better technically I really rate Cocu's leadership and coaching very highly. But I'm not the most neutral observer there ofcourse. ;)

The other Wim is probably underrated internationally because of his not hugely impressive spells in Italy and France.


Also. Ott. Why don't current commentators ever yell KOMT DAT SCHOOOOOT anymore? :D Loved that in your vid.