GDT: 12/10 Blue Jackets vs. Ducks

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Nationwide Arena Coloumbus, Ohio 4:00 PM
Television|Radio|Forums
Prime |AM 830 |ANA
4:00 PM | 4:00 PM |CBJ



Team Comparison
Columbus |Comparsion |Anaheim
13-11-5 (31pts)| (Record) |14-13-4 (32pts)
9th |Conference |8th
3rd |Division |3rd
8-4-3 |Home |9-4-3
5-7-2 |Away |5-9-1
4-4-2 |Last Ten |4-5-1
|Special Teams|
22nd |Power Player |27th
3rd |Penalty Kill |23rd



*Columbus Blue Jackets Place Right Wing David Vyborny on Injured Reserve
*Recall Center Derek MacKenzie from Syracuse


Team Leaders
|Team |Anaheim

Goals | Rick Nash(18) |Corey Perry(15)

PP Goals | Rick Nash(6) |Corey Perry(6)

SH Goals | Four (1) |Five(1)

Assists | Rick Nash(13) |Ryan Getzlaf(20)

Points |Rick Nash(31) |Rayn Getzlaf(33)

+/- | Two(5) |Kent Huskins(9)

Shots | Rick Nash(128) |Corey Perry(99)

PIM | Jared Boll(98) |Chris Pronger(79)

GAA | Pascal Leclaire(1.92) |J.S. Giguere(2.57)

Save % | Pascal Leclaire(.931) |J.S. Giguere(.907)

Wins | Pascal Leclaire(11) |J.S. Giguere(11)

Loses | Pascal Leclaire(6) |J.S. Giguere(8)




*Niedermayer Skates
*Ducks Recall Platt from Portland


|Home Team|Score|Goalies
Game 1 ("]Radio Feed


http://battleofcalifornia.blogspot.com/2007/12/ducks-gamedaygiving-opponents-early.html

CBJ[/COLOR]|W-CBJ : 4-0|W-Pascal Leclaire : L-Ilja Bryzgalov
Game 2 (http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=Recap&gameNumber=181&season=20072008&gameType=2)|ANA|W-ANA : 2-1|W-JS Giguere : L-Fredrik Norrena
Game 3 (http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=Preview&gameNumber=436&season=20072008&gameType=2)|CBJ|W-Team : X-X|W-Goalie : L-Goalie



Projected Rosters
Place |Team||Anaheim |Ducks


Forwards |Defense ||Forwards |Defense
Rick Nash |Jan Hejda || Chris Kunitz |Chris Pronger
Kris Beech |Adam Foote ||Ryan Getzlaf |Sean O'Donnell
Nikolai Zherdev |Ron Hainsey || Corey Perry |Mathieu Schneider
Jason Chimera |Rostislav Klesla || Todd Bertuzzi |Francois Beauchemin
Michael Peca |Kris Russell ||Andy McDonald |Shane Hnidy
Dan Fritsche |Tollefsen || Geoff Platt |Joe Dipenta
Curtis Glencross | || Travis Moen |
Sergei Fedorov | Scratch ||Samuel Pahlsson | Kent Huskins
Gilbert Brule |Scratch || Rob Niedermayer | Scratch
Jody Shelley | ||Brad May |
Derek MacKenzie |Goalies ||Todd Marchant |Goalies
Jared Boll |Pascal Leclaire ||George Parros |J.S. Giguere
|Fredrick Norrena || |Jonas Hiller
Jackets Injuries|||Duck Injuries
Manny Malhotra|Fredrik Modin ||Brian Sutherby|
Jiri Novotny |David Vyborny || |



*Vyborny Out good for us +1
*CBJ 0% when trailing after one +1
*CBJ has most scoring on one line Go get em Sammy +1
*Ducks are hot after News of Scott +2


*Stupid Penalty -1
*Pascal Leclaire -1

Final Score +3

5-3 Ducks

What channel will the game be on? Nice GDT btw.

What channel will the game be on? Nice GDT btw.

Prime Ticket

is it true that perry is sistting out this one? if so he defenately needs it.

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*Vyborny Out good for us +1
*CBJ 0% when trailing after one +1
*CBJ has most scoring on one line Go get em Sammy +1
*Ducks are hot after News of Scott +2


*Stupid Penalty -1
*Pascal Leclaire -1

Final Score +3


The Ducks played like ess aiytch eye tee Saturday night and they are generally good about rebounding with a solid game after they play that way. +2

is it true that perry is sistting out this one? if so he defenately needs it.

where did you hear that?

The Ducks played like ess aiytch eye tee Saturday night and they are generally good about rebounding with a solid game after they play that way. +2

no downs for you?

Columbus has the 3rd best PK and a crappy, but sadly still better than ours, PP. -1

Look at Game Notes under Ducks.nhl.com
This is amusing to myself.
Francois Beauchemin (boh-sheh-MEH, frahn-SWUH)
Todd Bertuzzi (buhr-TOO-zee)
Shane Hnidy NIGH-dee
Mathieu Schneider (SHNIGH-duhr)
Chris Kunitz KOO-nitz
George Parros (PAIR-ohs)
Todd Marchant (mahr-SHAHNT)
Chris Pronger PRAHN-guhr
Samuel Pahlsson PAHL-suhn
Kent Huskins HUHZ kihns
Rob Niedermayer (NEE-duhr-migh-uhr)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere JEE-gair

I need to get a life quick. No one like to talk on the boards of late.

Perry's not sitting out!

The Duck's called up a Defencemen so If somebody is sitting out, they that means a trades going down.


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't be schinder

I need to get a life quick. No one like to talk on the boards of late.

I think people would talk back a lot more if they could understand what you are saying.

I think people would talk back a lot more if they could understand what you are saying.

Fair enough. What is your prediction for tonight?

talk talk talk

Perry's not sitting out!

The Duck's called up a Defencemen so If somebody is sitting out, they that means a trades going down.


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't be schinder

Ducks Sign and Recall Bruno St. Jacques
http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=346124

My bet is that it will be Sean O'donnell instead of Mathieu Schneider who will be gone when it's all said and done. If I'm wrong Burke is confusing the hell out me.

Look at Game Notes under Ducks.nhl.com
This is amusing to myself.
Francois Beauchemin (boh-sheh-MEH, frahn-SWUH)
Todd Bertuzzi (buhr-TOO-zee)
Shane Hnidy NIGH-dee
Mathieu Schneider (SHNIGH-duhr)
Chris Kunitz KOO-nitz
George Parros (PAIR-ohs)
Todd Marchant (mahr-SHAHNT)
Chris Pronger PRAHN-guhr
Samuel Pahlsson PAHL-suhn
Kent Huskins HUHZ kihns
Rob Niedermayer (NEE-duhr-migh-uhr)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere JEE-gair

I need to get a life quick. No one like to talk on the boards of late.

Duhr! Who doesn't know how to pronounce the players' names?

So is this "find the healty scratch and make up trade rumors" edition of Ducks vs Jackets?

And St. Jacques? Didn't Eklund E5 his signing like over a week ago? I think Wildcat mentioned it too. They're only announcing it now?

Ducks Sign and Recall Bruno St. Jacques
http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=346124 (http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=346124)

My bet is that it will be Sean O'donnell instead of Mathieu Schneider who will be gone when it's all said and done. If I'm wrong Burke is confusing the hell out me.
I can't recall where I read this, but I thought that both Schneider and Bertuzzi were guaranteed to stay with the Ducks this season. Something to do with Burke looking bad if he signed them and then traded them right away.

Parros fights shelley

Huskins is scratched :amazed:

I'm not sure I like keeping Hnidy and trading Huskins but hey if its still better than getting rid of O'donnell....

Huskins is scratched :amazed:

I'm not sure I like keeping Hnidy and trading Huskins but hey if its still better than getting rid of O'donnell....

Huskins is hurt. Who is playing tonight?

Huskins is scratched :amazed:

Awww ****. Still the knee maybe? :(

Let's not give up the first goal tonight. Please

Awww ****. Still the knee maybe? :(

Who is playing on defense? Please name them.

Who is playing on defense? Please name them.

You should check the OP.

All I want to know is if Bruno St. Jacques is playing.

Is that Miller on the PK? Is it possible that they're trying him out now (and thus keeping him in the NHL) as a potential demi-replacement if they have to waive/trade Marchant?

Is it me or was it easy for the ducks to get a shot shorthanded?

All I want to know is if Bruno St. Jacques is playing.

Defense
Chris Pronger
Sean O'Donnell
Mathieu Schneider
Francois Beauchemin
Shane Hnidy
Joe Dipenta
He's not listed, is he?

Jackets score... and O'Donnell looks pissed.

When was the last time we scored the first goal? Seems like so long ago.

Ugh, why am I forced to watch this godawful FSN Ohio feed? I want another replay of that Nash hit, it looked like borderline jumping, but they only showed it once from a bad angle.

He's not listed, is he?

Not always correct.

All I want to know is if Bruno St. Jacques is playing.


never too tough to go to NHL.com and see the rosters prior to the game:

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20072008/RO020436.HTM

Not always correct.
Check the NHL.com event summary. Those are correct.

But the D is the same as last game.

Check the NHL.com event summary. Those are correct.

These FSN guys are making me sick. Maybe Hnidy was out of line, but someone has to hold the other team accountable.

Boll runs Platt. Hnidy jumps Boll.

CBJs back on the powerplay I assume.

****ing jarded boll needs to be taught a lesson

Hnidy went after some guy who hit Platt. Shouldn't the Jackets want to take it easy on their former 1st liner? And why is it that people seem to keep having to come to the rescue of Platt?

Looks like the goal JS gave up was very weak - I'll have to check the replay. R. Niedermayer shouldn't have tackled the Jackets player just because he was hit (and ended up in the box). That was stupid.

wow the Ducks got a powerplay out of the Boll/Hnidy incident.

Looks like the goal JS gave up was very weak - I'll have to check the replay.

It was a hard shot to a good spot. Stoppable, but not "very weak", I'd say. (Plus it was high glove, we all know how well Giguere handles those.)

And again, with these FSN Ohio guys- they sound incredulous that Boll could even have picked up one penalty let alone two. Then one of them goes off with "and Hnidy got nothing!!! how does that work?" and the other replies "Hnidy got two minutes" to which tool #1 says "oh big deal!"...

I knew they were bad when I watched the Avs game against the Jackets a few days ago, but wow. CI Canada needs to pick up the Prime Ticket feed more often. :sarcasm:

It was a hard shot to a good spot. Stoppable, but not "very weak", I'd say. (Plus it was high glove, we all know how well Giguere handles those.)

And again, with these FSN Ohio guys- they sound incredulous that Boll could even have picked up one penalty let alone two. Then one of them goes off with "and Hnidy got nothing!!! how does that work?" and the other replies "Hnidy got two minutes" to which tool #1 says "oh big deal!"...

I knew they were bad when I watched the Avs game against the Jackets a few days ago, but wow. CI Canada needs to pick up the Prime Ticket feed more often. :sarcasm:

hahah

The festivities of the 1st make me want to quote from my favorite Disney movie.

"Can you feel the love tonight?"

wow the Ducks got a powerplay out of the Boll/Hnidy incident.

And didn't do much with it. The PP looks a little better, but they're still having trouble getting the puck on goal. The Jackets (like most teams) are getting their sticks and bodies in the way. Anaheim needs to try something different. The Jackets had no problem on their PP - looked dangerous.

It was a hard shot to a good spot. Stoppable, but not "very weak", I'd say. (Plus it was high glove, we all know how well Giguere handles those.)

And again, with these FSN Ohio guys- they sound incredulous that Boll could even have picked up one penalty let alone two. Then one of them goes off with "and Hnidy got nothing!!! how does that work?" and the other replies "Hnidy got two minutes" to which tool #1 says "oh big deal!"...

I knew they were bad when I watched the Avs game against the Jackets a few days ago, but wow. CI Canada needs to pick up the Prime Ticket feed more often. :sarcasm:

Yup - high glove against Giguere = goal 90% of the time. I'll check the replay, although it doesn't really matter now - still counts.

I agree - the Jacket announcers are not very good. They are almost as bad as Ahlers & Hayward.

Being the first ones to score in a game would be a nice change of things.

Huskins is hurt. Who is playing tonight?

Huskins is listed as a scratch, where are you getting your information?

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20072008/RO020436.HTM

nice dive Zherdev.

That goal was all Getzlaf. Seriously, Getzlaf skating in from about the blueline to the circles = money.

Pronger is too good! He must be penalized!

penalty on Pronger for being a physical hockey player.

there was no hook there thats for sure.

Giguere should have stopped that soft shot from 10 feet away without giving up a rebound which led to the goal.

penalty on Pronger for being a physical hockey player.

there was no hook there thats for sure.
I believe the phrase you're looking for, according to the main board, is "Pronger is a filthy player."

Can we stop with the penalties already?

I take it back - these CBJ announcers are worse than Ahlers & Hayward. I didn't know that was even possible.

Great job Getz, Prongs and Pers.

thank god that perry rumor wasn't true

Perry is the recipient of 2 gift goals, this one from Pronger. Although he had some to do with this one.

Nah, he deserves a goal for that one. He got in position, it was a tough pass to handle, but he controlled it easily and quickly sniped the corner.

Perry is the recipient of 2 gift goals, this one from Pronger. Although he had some to do with this one.

********, that was an easy pass and a beautiful shot by Perry.

Nah, he deserves a goal for that one. He got in position, it was a tough pass to handle, but he controlled it easily and quickly sniped the corner.
He did good moving into position and controlling the puck/changing the angle. And he let loose a good shot. But the key to me was that Pronger sent the pass diagonally through the box. Certainly not like the 1st one that was all Getzlaf. But Pronger's pass was as important if not more important than what Perry did.

Pahlsson hooked on a shorthanded breakaway.

penalty shot

Pahlsson scores!!!

HA. Pahlsson penalty shot? Does he even know what to do?

Hot damn. I should have never doubted God.

Our new shootout specialist!

I felt like crying when Perry's last shot hit the post. I guess that open net goal he scored against Phoenix makes up for it.

I was watching downstairs, I grabbed a drink and took my computer back up to my room to watch the rest and I missed Pahlsson's goal. :(

Y'know it's funny. Pahlsson's like one of the last ones you'd look to if you want offense. But it's obvious he has the skill. Like his play in the Olympics, or that goal in the finals to win game 2. Or that penalty shot goal. He just completely ignores offense to be the best defensive center in the game, even though he could be an effective scorer if he wanted to.

I'd rather have had a Pahlsson penalty shot goal than a Perry 3rd goal :)

Perry has been a 'recipient' this game... but he is a big, skilled kid who got into positions to be eligible to net 'easy' goals. So he didn't earn a breakaway by beating 2 defenders, the guy still earned his goals by earning his positions and space on the ice.

I can't imagine Perry on another team and I surely hope there is some agreement in the works on his contract... even if all sides to agree on the same contract Getz has.

Speaking of Getz though.. that one penalty kill in the 2nd (I can't identify which) where he dominated the Jackets zone and got a few chances... Its just really nice to see the two kids flash a skill.

Oh My Pahlsson! That was awesome.

Ha. I know Pronger's strong, but he's not THAT strong. Nice job Nash.

Hmm... Fedorov bounces. Who knew?

Marchant hits Fedorov right in front of the ref. Fedorov seems to have a back made of Flubber, but easy call.

What is with all of these Columbus dives? Fedorov jumped off his feet after little Marchant touches him from behind.

And they score on that. Refs are rewarding a bunch of *******.

All these penalties really piss me off. We're like the Corey Perry of teams, we've got a rep and usually receive a couple of penalties each game are weak because of it (not referring to any particular call). And it sucks because we get in situations like these over and over where we get outplayed and outshot because we're shorthanded so much, and there's only so much Giguere and the PKers can do when we're down two men.

To wit: I think it's pissing me off more because I have to listen to these guys drone on about "Nikky" Zherdev and scream his name orgasmically when he scores. Nicknames are fun, except when they sound like women's names.

must say im not a fan of these refs. I know they are teechnically penalties but god damn.

And they score on that. Refs are rewarding a bunch of *******.
Kitty cats?

They call the tacky **** and not that...hmmm.....

Kitty cats?

twats.

must say im not a fan of these refs. I know they are teechnically penalties but god damn.
I'm fine with the calls, but there should really be a dive or so thrown in too.

twats.
Bajingos?

Bajingos?

golden tunas

Well there's the first penalty on the Jackets that looks remotely like something we've been called for tonight. Seems like we don't get as much leeway to be egregious when we commit infractions.

So apparently 4 minutes of PP means 4 minutes of not-offense.

Oh man, how did Moen miss that? I was sure it was in (but it's just the camera angle). :(

Whew, Giguere bails himself out of a bad rebound.

I hate to say this, but I love the way Zherdev PLAYS.

I hate to say this, but I love the way Zherdev.
I would hate to say that, too.

Carroll said something interesting. He said that was Pahlsson's 8th shorthanded goal. I didn't realize a PS goal counts as anything.

So crazy hypothetical here: say a player gets a PS on a powerplay. Like the goalie threw his stick or something, I doubt there'd ever be a clear breakaway-penalty from behind PS. Would the PS goal count as a powerplay goal. And more crazily, would that mean that the powerplay is now over?

I would hate to say that, too.

Damn it... fixed.

Would the PS goal count as a powerplay goal. And more crazily, would that mean that the powerplay is now over?

Well yeah.. I always just kind of assumed. It's a goal, and it occurs during powerplay time, therefore the powerplay is considered to be concluded. As far as I can tell, that's the rule, but you may have to consult with somebody more well-versed in these matters. :)

Man that's twice O'Donnell went in deep in OT. It just looks so weird.

Bert?

yay

Well I guess it's only fitting that the Ducks won off of a weak call. It just barely makes up for all the weak calls against them.

Looks like it may have been Pronger actually. Good atonement for blasting that unobstructed 25 foot shot (inexplicably) wide of the net a few seconds earlier. ;)

Nice, Ducks win! Also, nice to see the powerplay finally getting going. That's, what, 5 PP goals in the last 3 games?

I'd like to find out who scored, since the Boxscore's not saying at the moment.

Even though the refs tried to ruin another game as best as they could, it was still fun to watch.

Great to see Anaheim win the game - they deserved it, especially after the BS call that went against the Ducks and led up to the game-tying PP goal by the Jackets.

Yay 4 points!

Here's the Parros/Shelley fight:

Parros vs. Shelley 12/10/07 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xeKHhcSxIBQ)

Here's the Parros/Shelley fight:

Parros vs. Shelley 12/10/07 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xeKHhcSxIBQ)
Nice!
Maybe RBK should redesign the jerseys to not rip so much in fights.

thank god for prongs. Lets hope for a 27 filled wednesday

Nice!
Maybe RBK should redesign the jerseys to not rip so much in fights.

Yeah, they should. Parros had his jersey ripped a few times and Bertuzzi the other day. I'm sure there's more.

Here's the Parros/Shelley fight:

Parros vs. Shelley 12/10/07 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xeKHhcSxIBQ)

Parros is a monster.

Parros is a monster.

And he seems to be getting better. Quite possibly his last two fights were his best in a Ducks uniform (Koci, Shelley).

Yikes, Parros landed a huge one in the end.

There should be like an enforcer's guild that boycotts those crap jerseys. They keep ripping during fights.

Yay. Beat the refs and Blue Jackets all in one game!

I would be one of the last people to claim that there is some problem with reffing against the ducks.. but frankly, this game shows how silly games are called.

Did I read the boxscores horribly wrong, or did Andy McDonald get 7:30 of icetime tonight :amazed:

I would be one of the last people to claim that there is some problem with reffing against the ducks.. but frankly, this game shows how silly games are called.
i was just telling my friend that who is an oil fan
that i think the refs are out to get the Ducks with these penalties

So, 3 PP goals and a shorthanded goal? Go Special Teams! Yay 4 pointz! :yo:

Yay. Beat the refs and Blue Jackets all in one game!

You guys had the advantage in talent and it really showed on the PP, but the refs? come'on man, the CBJ got hosed tonight...the Westcott call was borderline, but the double minor to Boll for a clean hit? The pick Schneider set on Nash on your second PP goal? Honestly, good game, Anaheim's talent was superior and thats why they take 2 points, but the refs were gracious.

You guys had the advantage in talent and it really showed on the PP, but the refs? come'on man, the CBJ got hosed tonight...the Westcott call was borderline, but the double minor to Boll for a clean hit? The pick Schneider set on Nash on your second PP goal? Honestly, good game, Anaheim's talent was superior and thats why they take 2 points, but the refs were gracious.

Actually, I rather enjoyed Zherdev and Fedorov's dives as well as Pronger's hook on a clean check, and then the obvious uncalled Getzlaf trip. To each his own, I suppose.

Actually, I rather enjoyed Zherdev and Fedorov's dives as well as Pronger's hook on a clean check, and then the obvious uncalled Getzlaf trip. To each his own, I suppose.

Feds dive, on the boarding call? Zherdev's dive when he was hooked to the ice? If those are the plays you're calling dives, then I guess we watched different games. Grats on the 2 points, looking forward to the next meeting.

Nothing can top my night watching the game and bowling. What an awesome game for special teams.

Feds dive, on the boarding call? Zherdev's dive when he was hooked to the ice? If those are the plays you're calling dives, then I guess we watched different games. Grats on the 2 points, looking forward to the next meeting.

Yea you must have been watching a different game.

Feds dive, on the boarding call? Zherdev's dive when he was hooked to the ice? If those are the plays you're calling dives, then I guess we watched different games. Grats on the 2 points, looking forward to the next meeting.

Yes. Todd Marchant stationary does not make Fedorov jump off the ice in agony. Travis Moen doesnt hook one of Columbus' best skaters down to the ice with one hand on his stick. Watch the replays. If you think those are not embellishments.....


I always find it humorous when fans complain about calls despite their team having more ppl opportunities. Its funny.

didn't that puck deflect of Bertuzzi for the winner?

Actually, I rather enjoyed Zherdev and Fedorov's dives as well as Pronger's hook on a clean check, and then the obvious uncalled Getzlaf trip. To each his own, I suppose.


No kidding. After the 5 on 3 called because a WEAK cross check by Marchant and questionable hooking call on Pronger (yes he swept his stick around, but he touched the puck with his stick first before he made contact IF he did at all), there was NO call on a clear tripping on Getzlaf in the neutral zone and then on the same shift Getzlaf gets shoved face first into the boards and AGAIN no call. Columbus should have also been called for a hook on Schneider in OT when the Ducks were already on the PP. The refs are calling marginal calls and missing the obvious ones and it's getting ridiculous.

I know the Ducks deserve most of the penalties they are getting, but the refs are NOT calling these games both ways.

Good win for the Ducks. And an enjoyable game to watch...never thought I'd say that in a game in which Hitchcock is coaching.

The pick? I thought that they each incidentally collided, though I didn't look closely on that one so I could be wrong.

That Marchant one was especially horrible because it gave the Jackets a 5 on 3 and Marchant barely bumped him. If anything embelishment should take priority over the cross check, but I think a no call would have been more than fine there. I was amazed at the Pronger call. I guess the call that gave us the winning PPG made up for it, but as far as I'm concerned the Jackets shouldn't have even gotten into OT to begin with.

I guess its just that the Ducks have been so inconsistant then when they actually play better than the other team it feels all that much worse when they are partially jobbed by the refs. A lot is because it happens so frequently. Its almost like our reputation warrants anything barely borderline as legit to call against us, even when we are in the penalty kill or up 10 PIM on the other team.

I'm just sad Getzlaf only got one point during that game. Getzlaf never ceases to amaze me. I'm so glad he's on our team. He "played his balls off".

I'm just sad Getzlaf only got one point during that game. Getzlaf never ceases to amaze me. I'm so glad he's on our team. He "played his balls off".
But Koivu is better.

OMG, I just watched the highlights on nhl.com, where did they dig up that awesome play by play guy? He's so bad, it's hilarious. And it's got nothing to do with bias or homerism. That sounded like play by play from some 2 bit Div I-AA college radio station. On Sammy's penalty shot, the guy didn't even say anything, it was like his brain got in the way of his tongue. :biglaugh:

But Koivu is better.

Koivu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Getzlaugh.

Getzlaf is such a great player. He has so much confidence now. He is literally dancing through defensemen every single game. Amazing player. :bow:

You guys had the advantage in talent and it really showed on the PP, but the refs? come'on man, the CBJ got hosed tonight...the Westcott call was borderline, but the double minor to Boll for a clean hit? The pick Schneider set on Nash on your second PP goal? Honestly, good game, Anaheim's talent was superior and thats why they take 2 points, but the refs were gracious.

If you watch the replay the hit was late and not clean at all. The double minor only happened because Hnidy decided to stick up for his teammate. The refs obviously felt the ducks still deserved a power play on the hit so they assigned a matching roughing minor to Boll.

It's not completely out of the ordinary.

But Koivu is better.

Is there some running inside joke about one of the Koivus being better than Getzlaf?

Is there some running inside joke about one of the Koivus being better than Getzlaf?

A Minnesota Wild fan who shall not be named claimed that M. Koivu was a better player than Ryan Getzlaf. Nothing more really needs to be said. :D

It was State of Hockey...you know...the guy who has a complete bias against the Ducks.

Thats craziness.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=11283796

Basically read all posts by the nameless fan after that.

I'm not normally that vindictive for things people say, but this was in another class.

http://columbusdispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2007/12/10/jackets11.html?sid=101

The Blue Jackets felt as if they were up against not only the Ducks but two NHL officials, Dean Warren and Dean Morton.

It was a hooking call on Westcott that gave the Ducks the four-on-three advantage in overtime, leading to Chris Pronger's winning goal with 1:46 left.

"That's a terrible call," Westcott said. "Terrible. That's the kind of call you get if you're the Stanley Cup champions, I guess. :cry:

But Hitchcock didn't have a problem with the penalty call.

"It's a penalty," he said.

In fact, an ugly scene in the corner between Blue Jackets winger Rick Nash and Ducks tough guy Rob Niedermayer drew more than a few eyes away from the goal that put the Jackets up 1-0 at 13:36.

A truly terrible piece of journalism lol. :biglaugh: That Rob Niedermayer line just put the cherry on top of the cake in terms of hilariousness.

Nice find. Man that Rob's such a bully. Although it was right, I missed the goal because I was watching Rob and Nash.

But that was a pretty weak call that gave Anaheim the game. It's a penalty, but who calls that in OT? The reffing was pretty bad in general.

http://columbusdispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2007/12/10/jackets11.html?sid=101
"That's a terrible call," Westcott said. "Terrible. That's the kind of call you get if you're the Stanley Cup champions, I guess.

hahahah, those Ducks get away with everything! No wonder they're the least penalized team in the league!

Any video of the Getzlaf play on the first goal by Perry? At his size, plays which would look good to really good for a smallish/skilled player look absolutely sick when performed by a player who is as big as Getzy is.

Any video of the Getzlaf play on the first goal by Perry? At his size, plays which would look good to really good for a smallish/skilled player look absolutely sick when performed by a player who is as big as Getzy is.

So many funny thing in that article. Crack is a bad drug kids.

http://columbusdispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2007/12/10/jackets11.html?sid=101

A truly terrible piece of journalism lol. :biglaugh: That Rob Niedermayer line just put the cherry on top of the cake in terms of hilariousness.

I almost felt bad that we were all complaining about the officiating after a win, until I read that. I like this line: "It's a brutal call five-on-five. It's an even worse call in overtime, four-on-four", which seems to imply that Duvie Westcott thinks that a penalty is only a penalty if it's called at a certain time in the game. I completely agree, how stupid of the referees not to realize it was overtime and put their whistles away. Why even bother with officiating after sixty minutes, right? We all know penalties can't be called four-on-four. :sarcasm:

I almost felt bad that we were all complaining about the officiating after a win, until I read that. I like this line: "It's a brutal call five-on-five. It's an even worse call in overtime, four-on-four", which seems to imply that Duvie Westcott thinks that a penalty is only a penalty if it's called at a certain time in the game. I completely agree, how stupid of the referees not to realize it was overtime and put their whistles away. Why even bother with officiating after sixty minutes, right? We all know penalties can't be called four-on-four. :sarcasm:

On the NHL Network yesterday they showed Game 4 of the 1979 playoffs between Boston and Montreal. Late in the tie game the announcers mentioned that for a penalty to be called at this stage in the game it would have to absolutely have prevented a goal.

Of course, and as fans there are obviously times in the game when we feel it is less appropriate to make a call than others- however, unless I'm missing something from the rulebook, the NHL does not pay referees to use their discretion and be subjective as to when it's "the right time" to call a penalty. If it's a penalty ten seconds into the game, it should be a penalty with ten seconds left in the game.

So Perry was benched in the 3rd the previous game because of a bad penalty. It appears McDonald was benched after the 7:00 mark of the 3rd. And he played sparingly in the 1st and 2nd, with only 7:30 of total ice time. What gives?

Sutherby was out again with the strained groin. On the Caps, Sutherby had a bad groin injury that one fan says took about 2 years to heal. It supposedly sapped his mobility.
it was a serious groin injury, it took him the better part of two seasons to heal from it and he still wasn't 100%
His skating looked pretty this year. But with this being the 4th game of a supposed day-to-day injury in the same region as his major injury, you gotta wonder.

Joe Canada: I'm completely against the "a penalty is a penalty" school of thought. For all sports. When it's tied in a late game, you want to see the players decide the victor, not the refs. Not just fans, but multiple announcers have expressed similar sentiments in multiple sports. Personally, I was against that last penalty on Westcott.

If you think that article was bad, check out BlowJobs GDT. Man, that whining is simply brutal. There are couple of posters who had the balls to admit that it was the Ducks who got the shorter end of the stick, otherwise a total whine-fest.

http://columbusdispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2007/12/10/jackets11.html?sid=101



A truly terrible piece of journalism lol. :biglaugh: That Rob Niedermayer line just put the cherry on top of the cake in terms of hilariousness.

I don't know... The guy looks like he's up to something no good.

http://www.edgehockey.net/files/graphics/mcdermottboy.jpg

RICK NASH is gonna get it!

If you think that article was bad, check out BlowJobs GDT. Man, that whining is simply brutal. There are couple of posters who had the balls to admit that it was the Ducks who got the shorter end of the stick, otherwise a total whine-fest.

:cry: Guess that makes up for Fedorov diving eh?:D

Joe Canada: I'm completely against the "a penalty is a penalty" school of thought. For all sports. When it's tied in a late game, you want to see the players decide the victor, not the refs. Not just fans, but multiple announcers have expressed similar sentiments in multiple sports. Personally, I was against that last penalty on Westcott.

Like I said, there are going to be times when everybody agrees with you (especially if it happens to the Ducks, for instance). But we can't sit here and rightly complain about a game not being called evenly, whether or not we got the short end of the stick, unless the referees are doing their job and calling a penalty when it's a penalty.

As a purely hypothetical situation, say for the first half of a game, the Ducks are committing infractions and getting called, but in the second half, the Blue Jackets commit just as many (of exactly the same nature). Does that mean you'd find it fair if the referees called 7 penalties on the Ducks and only 3 on the Jackets, because the Jackets did the same things but at a more opportunistic time?

I think if it's a hook, it's a hook. A trip is a trip, and interference is interference, whether there's 10 seconds or 10 minutes left. The problem is that all the officials seem to have such an incredibly low threshold that the standards for what passes as a penalty now are way worse than they should be, hence all the "ticky tack" (thanks Bob McKenzie) calls. It's NOT those calls I want made at the end of games, I think the calls made late in the third and in OT should be real penalties, just as they should be at any point in the game. There's nothing wrong with calling a penalty in overtime that would be called in the second period, as long as what would be called in the second period actually IS a penalty.

Maybe that's hard to understand- it's just that I'm not for bad late penalties, but I'm not against late penalties altogether.

Like I said, there are going to be times when everybody agrees with you (especially if it happens to the Ducks, for instance). But we can't sit here and rightly complain about a game not being called evenly, whether or not we got the short end of the stick, unless the referees are doing their job and calling a penalty when it's a penalty.

As a purely hypothetical situation, say for the first half of a game, the Ducks are committing infractions and getting called, but in the second half, the Blue Jackets commit just as many (of exactly the same nature). Does that mean you'd find it fair if the referees called 7 penalties on the Ducks and only 3 on the Jackets, because the Jackets did the same things but at a more opportunistic time?

I think if it's a hook, it's a hook. A trip is a trip, and interference is interference, whether there's 10 seconds or 10 minutes left. The problem is that all the officials seem to have such an incredibly low threshold that the standards for what passes as a penalty now are way worse than they should be, hence all the "ticky tack" (thanks Bob McKenzie) calls. It's NOT those calls I want made at the end of games, I think the calls made late in the third and in OT should be real penalties, just as they should be at any point in the game. There's nothing wrong with calling a penalty in overtime that would be called in the second period, as long as what would be called in the second period actually IS a penalty.

Maybe that's hard to understand- it's just that I'm not for bad late penalties, but I'm not against late penalties altogether.
You're seeing penalties as black and white. Some are worse than others. In the beginning of the game, refs tend to be more strict. In the end of the game, in a tied situation, refs tend to let marginal penalties go without a call. Sometimes they even let some not-so-marginal penalties go and only call the really bad or dangerous ones. Pretty much all of them are penalties by the letter of the law. But the threshold is raised.

As to your hypothetical situation, if in the END (not just the 2nd half) of a TIED game the Blue Jackets commit the same number and magnitude of supposed infractions that the Ducks did in the beginning at the game, then YES, I'd be completely fine with a 7 to 3 imbalance. Only call the very dangerous or important ones (like ones that prevented a scoring chance).

You're seeing penalties as black and white. Some are worse than others.

Definitely, there's always room for subjective calls, and that's why I hate hockey video games sometimes, because they don't exercise such discrimination. ;)

But, the rules are still written in a black and white manner insofar as there's no stipulation about making a call or not making one based on the game clock. If anything, I'm very much in favor of not calling the cheap stuff at the end of a game, but only if it's called that way at the start of the game too, so there's some consistency. Teams don't need to approach double digits on powerplay opportunities, but with the way games are called (or expected to be called)- i.e. marginal calls can be made early on- then that's the ultimate outcome.

Getzlaf is starting to look REAL good.

I don't know... The guy looks like he's up to something no good.

http://www.edgehockey.net/files/graphics/mcdermottboy.jpg

RICK NASH is gonna get it!

Is that rick nash or somebody else?