Green

Tie for the lead in goals by a defenseman :handclap:
is he playing good ?

Tie for the lead in goals by a defenseman :handclap:
is he playing good ?

I'd assume so..

I predicted 15 goals for the season and many doubted it....come on Greenie!

Honestly he's got incredible offensive talent and the Caps are turning him loose. He's got some confidence right now and isn't making a ton of mistakes in his own end.

He's only going to get better with Boudreau behind the bench now.

He was playing pretty confidently under hanlon and is only going to get more ice and more confidence under gabby.

I believe he mentioned when the change was made that he wasn't worried about making a mistake and then being benched...implying that is what happened under hanlon.

I'm hoping he breaks the 20 goal mark. It would really help the team to have some production from the back line. They haven't had much since Gonchar left.

I predicted 15 goals for the season and many doubted it....come on Greenie!Who exactly doubted it?

Who exactly doubted it?

Dunno...but there were some...I would have to look up the thread. I was really going for dramatic effect. ;)

Tie for the lead in goals by a defenseman :handclap:
is he playing good ?

He's beyond sick. Very very few Dmen have his speed, agility, shot, and stick handling ability. Watch him rush the puck, beat the winger at the red line, deke the center at the blue, curl and drag past the last Dman at the dot, then roof a snapper past the short glove side. :handclap::handclap::handclap:

Green has been playing great. He is on pace for 20 goals, i don't think he will reach that number but he might. He is getting 1st unit pp time, and his minutes should increase as the year goes on.

He's only going to get better with Boudreau behind the bench now.

I think being paired with Morrisonn has really helped. Those two are a perfect compliment for each other. A player like Green wants to get forward, Mo allows him to do that without having to worry as he will know his partner will stay back.

Playing him with Poti was an interesting idea, but one that failed.

Now if the Caps can find another Morrisonn to play with Poti, maybe we can start getting some more value out of that 3.5 per we are paying him.

ps. Jason Smith would be perfect for this Caps team, he is a vet, a leader, has played with Poti in the past and is a pending UFA.

And to think there was a debate as to whether he'd make the team this year...

"I think being paired with Morrisonn has really helped. " ....Morrisonn seems to make everyone he plays with do better. Milan isn't half as good without him.


But this is about Green.......dude is incredibly gifted.




......and some day we will have Green AND Alzner. :yo:

Who exactly doubted it?

I for one did. 9 defensemen last season scored 15 goals, and Green didn't exactly take major strides last year. I knew he had it in him, but I really doubted he'd hit 15 this year.

I said 8-20 in that thread, and I'm happy to be wrong.

Who exactly doubted it?

I was prob one.

I love Green by expecting him to score 15 goals would not have been in my expectations this season. This kid could one day score 20 from the blueline.

I think Green is playing more assertively with Boudreau than Hanlon. Green has four goals in Brucey's(Jay Leach calls him Brucey, which is a hoot) eight games. He also had the misfortune of making great rushes with dishes to Pettinger and Gordon and Steckel which, of course, don't end up on the score sheet.

I still can't believe that so many GM's let him fall all the way to GMGM purely because his WHL team sucked so bad. Dumb.

There was a lot of question whether he would make the team out of camp. He basically had to play Boumedienne and Eminger off the team with Poti and Pothier already there.

Heh, I wanted Green and Schultz to start the year in hershey. I was wrong about Green

Dunno...but there were some...I would have to look up the thread. I was really going for dramatic effect. ;)

I did, I thought 10 would be a decent season for him


I think Green is playing more assertively with Boudreau than Hanlon. Green has four goals in Brucey's(Jay Leach calls him Brucey, which is a hoot) eight games. He also had the misfortune of making great rushes with dishes to Pettinger and Gordon and Steckel which, of course, don't end up on the score sheet.

I still can't believe that so many GM's let him fall all the way to GMGM purely because his WHL team sucked so bad. Dumb.

There was a lot of question whether he would make the team out of camp. He basically had to play Boumedienne and Eminger off the team with Poti and Pothier already there.
scary that McPhee drafted Schultz before Green though

I think if they only had one pick they would have taken green, but since they had the two picks, they went with strategy. I mean Dallas took a huge guy right after Schultz was gone, so maybe dallas was after schultz and they knew that so they took him first, then, when Dallas took their huge guy, the caps took Green.

Thats my theory anyway lol. Either way, Green is playing awesomely right now.

I think if they only had one pick they would have taken green, but since they had the two picks, they went with strategy. I mean Dallas took a huge guy right after Schultz was gone, so maybe dallas was after schultz and they knew that so they took him first, then, when Dallas took their huge guy, the caps took Green.


haha hopefully...seems like a big gamble as of now

its kind of a convoluted explanation, or its possible that they had Schultz rated higher than Green.

I'm so glad that the caps got green now though, because you know we as fans would never hear the end of it if some other team (say... Anaheim :sarcasm:) beat the caps and the GWG was scored by Green pinching down and blowing by Schultz.

scary that McPhee drafted Schultz before Green though

I'm sure Green and Schultz went right where they were predicted to go, with Green "slipping" as the draft drew near (only) because of his team's rather poor record.

I'm sure Green and Schultz went right where they were predicted to go, with Green "slipping" as the draft drew near (only) because of his team's rather poor record.I honestly don't think that was the only factor.

Green was undersized at the time (compared to what was at the time...the prototypical defenseman. 6'3 215/220). He was 6'1 195 and playing for a crappy team.

He's only going to get better with Boudreau behind the bench now.

I love the way all the Dmen are now under BB. And no that not soley because Pothier is on the bench though it helps. ;)

BB has them more active at both blue lines. He allows his D more freedom in the offensive zone while relying on the opposite Dman to slide to the top (kind of cover 1 style) and the off wing to rotate high. This risky play allows for more keeps at the blue line while at times, you put yourself in situations where you have Shultz and Flash rushing back to defend against White, Kovy, and Hossa. :help:

Personally I love the philosophy that BB is preaching to his guys: Blueline Hockey. Defend both blue lines (ie step up to deny entry on D and step up to keep the puck in on offense) and minimize turnovers at both blue lines (those who don't, ie Flash and Pots, ride the pine for a bit)

Central Scouting had Green at 9 for NA skaters and Schultz at 12.

CS final rankings (http://nhl.speedera.net/futures/cssrankings/2004final/naskaters.pdf)

I'm sure Green and Schultz went right where they were predicted to go, with Green "slipping" as the draft drew near (only) because of his team's rather poor record.

From USA Today's recap.
Jeff Schultz, 18, D, Calgary (WHL): 6-6, 212 ... 11 goals, 24 assists

Has gotten better on his defensive pivots, yet needs a few strides to get going on his skates. ... Is able to get passes off quickly and likes to send long outlet pass in search of down-the-middle breakaways. ... Plays while team is short-handed and get most of his points on power plays. ... Likes to jump into play to create odd-man rushes. ... Relies on hockey sense rather than physical style, but is not intimidated if play gets tougher.

From ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/draft/draft04/tracker/player?playerId=41


From ESPN on Green being dealt a bad hand:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/draft/draft04/tracker/player?playerId=38

Who exactly doubted it?

I sure did. I complained about Green consistently last year because he was terrible. His maturation has been remarkable.

What impresses me the most about green is just how fast he is developing..its really quite remarkable considering the length of time it takes for a young dman to hit his stride.

What impresses me the most about green is just how fast he is developing..its really quite remarkable considering the length of time it takes for a young dman to hit his stride.

totally agree with this... I wasn't expecting him to be this good this year but it seems his off-season work ethic have helped put him in a win-win situation...

scary that McPhee drafted Schultz before Green though


My understanding was that with only Dallas between the two Caps picks that he knew that Dallas wanted a big defenseman. Mark Fistric or Fistric or Schultz. Either way they were not looking for Green.

Makes sense. Had he taken Green its possible that Dallas would have taken McPhee's choice of Schultz. Fistric hasn't played in the NHL yet, has he?

Green is probably the most crucial developement of the Caps d prospects. He is a playmaker and a game breaker. Those are really hard to find particularly on defense.

If Jurcina doesn't workout, they can look to Pokoluk and then to Alzner and Finley and they still have Morrisonn. Green is now at a point where he now has to be game planned and when you have Semin, Ovechkin and Green on one PP unit opposing coaches have to start making choices as you can't cover them all at the same time.

With OV and Semin, Green is going to get the chance to score a lot of goals.

Fistric is in the AHL: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=00062620

Green has roughly 121 games and Schultz with 60 so thats is not to bad. However with a rebuild going these numbers are not that big of a deal.

Looking at that draft I remember at the time I was hoping that Meszaros would fall to the caps.

Fistric is in the AHL: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=00062620

Green has roughly 121 games and Schultz with 60 so thats is not to bad. However with a rebuild going these numbers are not that big of a deal.

Looking at that draft I remember at the time I was hoping that Meszaros would fall to the caps.

I remember watching the draft and thinking the same thing about Meszaros... and Schremp too...

Meanwhile on the OBs, people are throwing hissy fits because Lang is playing well, and that was the dumbest trade ever. :amazed:

Meanwhile on the OBs, people are throwing hissy fits because Lang is playing well, and that was the dumbest trade ever. :amazed:

Just another reason I very rarely post there.

Meanwhile on the OBs, people are throwing hissy fits because Lang is playing well, and that was the dumbest trade ever. :amazed:

I can't stand the hockey side over there. Those guys don't remember a damn thing about Lang. They're saying he'd look good on a line with Ovechkin. Ovechkin could circle the rink twice by the time he goes blueline to blueline.

I never wanted to trade Lang...thought he would have been fine to have after the lockout.

Hell...I wanted to sign him this offseason compared to Nylander.

RE: Green

as a young & talented offensive defenseman, he is going to go through peaks & valleys... right now he is riding a crest of success, but i fully expect some steps backwards, as you would expect for any young NHL player.

still, it is great to see how much of a difference maker he can be already; playing with alot of confidence and knowing he is not going to get benched for one error really seems to have allowed him to play "his" game.

RE: Lang

i've seen him play this year, he is much the same player as before, only slower. the OBs hockey side is pretty useless; its a freakout-fest for the most part.

I never wanted to trade Lang...thought he would have been fine to have after the lockout.

Hell...I wanted to sign him this offseason compared to Nylander.

It depends on how his groin held up. He got injured immediately after leaving, and it more or less cost him the rest of that season, and he was never up to speed since.

He didn't have that great a year last year, mostly playing on Detroit's 3rd line. He's a solid but aging player. I kind of doubt he'd want to come back here though.

I think i lobbied for Green to be in Hershey last year, but Green to be here this year based on his finish last year in the chocolate sauce. He bulked up too, which takes a lot of work in this steroid free era, and that said a lot to me so I wanted him here. I am so glad that someone coaching this team was smart enough to get Green more PP time. I would like to see a set play where he lugs the puck up ice even strength and we keep a Backstrom type back. He just has too much talent to not let this kid try and do more at even strength. Or we can try that storming down the wing one timer he crushed last game more often. His stick handling is awesome for a dman and his shot is accurate.

The thing that has struck me about Green have been the few times he's made end to end rushes, and stickhandled his way past all five skaters on the other team. There are only about a hand full of forwards with that kind of talent, let alone defensemen.

The thing that has struck me about Green have been the few times he's made end to end rushes, and stickhandled his way past all five skaters on the other team. There are only about a hand full of forwards with that kind of talent, let alone defensemen.

So true... and didn't he do that last year in Colorado when he scored that oh so sweet goal? The agility and change of direction on that play made me play it over and over and...

I know i was one of the people who wanted Green and Shultz in Hershey this year, but with the year Green is having, i'm glad i was wrong.

Since Eminger was not traded, I imagine that the plan was for Green to start in Hershey and for Eminger to get some time to sell himself one way or the other. Eminger's early camp injury and Green leading the team in preseason scoring made it impossible to do that.

Green ebbed a good bit when the team was in its death spin, but he has no questions about what Boudreau has wanted from him and is probably the one that benefits the most from the coaching change.

He was a dominating force for Bruce in Hershey and you can see that he is providing the same now. Here's to 2 more goals tonight.

I actually don't think Green's shot is that accurate. Among the few things he really needs to work on is keeping his shot low. He tends to pull his shots, making them go wildly high. If he can learn to shoot like Gonchar, he will be an absolute animal.

I have no reason to believe he won't be a well rounded two-way no. 1 stud defenseman within 3 or 4 seasons. He is already at worst a no. 4. With the way he's playing currently, he'd be a top 4 on most NHL teams.

I actually don't think Green's shot is that accurate. Among the few things he really needs to work on is keeping his shot low. He tends to pull his shots, making them go wildly high. If he can learn to shoot like Gonchar, he will be an absolute animal.

I have no reason to believe he won't be a well rounded two-way no. 1 stud defenseman within 3 or 4 seasons. He is already at worst a no. 4. With the way he's playing currently, he'd be a top 4 on most NHL teams.

I'll watch his shots more after what you said. IMO he is one of the few players and only Dman that we have that seems to be able to put one timers on goal from on and off wing sides.

I actually don't think Green's shot is that accurate. Among the few things he really needs to work on is keeping his shot low. He tends to pull his shots, making them go wildly high. If he can learn to shoot like Gonchar, he will be an absolute animal.

You're right. His shot is wild, but it's miles better than last season. There was an offseason feature on Green by either Corey or Tarik and it talked about how he spent almost his entire offseason working on his shot. It's better but it's not great.

Case in point, Green missed a wide open one timer off a beautiful feed by Semin on the Caps PP where Backstrom scored a little later.

Green is still taking his share of bad penalties as well...but I guess that should be expected still.

Greenie is as close to a young version of this guy: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=3965 as there is in the NHL.

Greenie is as close to a young version of this guy: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=3965 as there is in the NHL.

I wouldn't go that far.

Remember the year when we had three defensemen score more than 20? Or was that 30? Forgot.

Name those players, take a chance.

Greenie is as close to a young version of this guy: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=3965 as there is in the NHL.


Greenie is also close to http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/stats?playerId=205

... Andy Delmore.

Greenie is also close to http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/stats?playerId=205

... Andy Delmore.

Oh ye of little faith. Green is already twice the player Delmore ever was.

Remember the year when we had three defensemen score more than 20? Or was that 30? Forgot.

Name those players, take a chance.

Is that a challenge?

Cote/Hatcher/Iafrate

Remember the year when we had three defensemen score more than 20? Or was that 30? Forgot.

Name those players, take a chance.Hatcher, Iafrate and Cote. All had more than 20. 92/93 I believe.

I wouldn't go that far.

Why not? Who's closer as far as skill, skating ability, and playing style among NHL defensemen?

Actually, Chico Resch made that exact comparison last night of Green and Niedermeyer.

Actually, Chico Resch made that exact comparison last night of Green and Niedermeyer.

really? I don't think Green will ever be that responsible defensively, but heck he's young.


I personally was just blown away by Tom Poti last night. I've never seen a guy make as many diving poke checks as he did last night, and he was doing it at good times as well, breaking up potential odd man rushes, poking the puck out of the zone, etc. When I see what other D-men around the league go for, we got a deal on him.

really? I don't think Green will ever be that responsible defensively, but heck he's young.


I personally was just blown away by Tom Poti last night. I've never seen a guy make as many diving poke checks as he did last night, and he was doing it at good times as well, breaking up potential odd man rushes, poking the puck out of the zone, etc. When I see what other D-men around the league go for, we got a deal on him.

Yes. Poti had a solid game. Now only if he would shoot the damn puck more often!

Green could hit someof Nieds' early devils numbers this year, but minus the defensive ability. Not saying he's the second coming, but just that he could probably put up those same numbers.

Green could hit someof Nieds' early devils numbers this year, but minus the defensive ability. Not saying he's the second coming, but just that he could probably put up those same numbers.

I'm not saying this either, he just plays an awful lot like him, and I really believe that's Green's upside.

I'm not saying this either, he just plays an awful lot like him, and I really believe that's Green's upside.
I know, that wasn't direct at you, its just hard to post somethings sometimes without your intent coming across. I usually clarify like that heh.

If Green did become the second coming, and Alzner reached his full potential... and Finley making it to the big show, in front of Neuvirth or Varlamov... LOOK OUT!

:sarcasm:

Why not? Who's closer as far as skill, skating ability, and playing style among NHL defensemen?

No one

Caps better hope that they have a young goalie that can be Cup competitive coming to replace Olie.

IF Green keeps going in this direction, there is a HUGE cap hit coming to go along with OV and Semin. I dare say there would not be enough budget to afford a veteran proven cup level goaltender. And you can't win without that.

Caps better hope that they have a young goalie that can be Cup competitive coming to replace Olie.

IF Green keeps going in this direction, there is a HUGE cap hit coming to go along with OV and Semin. I dare say there would not be enough budget to afford a veteran proven cup level goaltender. And you can't win without that.

I'm thinking Green will use Matt Carle's deal as a contract model.

Caps better hope that they have a young goalie that can be Cup competitive coming to replace Olie.

IF Green keeps going in this direction, there is a HUGE cap hit coming to go along with OV and Semin. I dare say there would not be enough budget to afford a veteran proven cup level goaltender. And you can't win without that.I know its not Mafki's style to this point....but I could see them trying to lock up Green for 5+ years at a decent set rate. Similar to the Getzlaf signing...in terms of years...not price per se.

There aren't many players I'd be comfortable giving 5+ year contract to. I'd gladly give one to Green though. You've gotta lock that down.

There aren't many players I'd be comfortable giving 5+ year contract to. I'd gladly give one to Green though. You've gotta lock that down.

totally agree with this... Green's that first D to have multiple goal games since Gonchar and we all know how Gonchar did in the playoffs when he was on!

I'm thinking Green will use Matt Carle's deal as a contract model.

I think Green will gett much more than Carle at this point. I'm sweating that contract more than Ovy's. We know Ovy is going to get big bucks. We could end up in trouble with Green.

GMGM will do what he has to to lock up Green. He's the clubs #1 future offensive defensman. And he's showing a bit of what he can do now. I don't think we'll have to worry.

a 20 goal season would put him in the 4 mil+ per range. Looks like Ovy, Semin and Green could cost us 20 mil per. :help:

THE GREEN MACHINE!!!!!!!!

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I don't think he is going to get more than Carle. He should get decent coin, but not a ton.

I dare say there would not be enough budget to afford a veteran proven cup level goaltender. And you can't win without that.
Depends on what the cap and their revenue is looking like, imo.
I'm thinking Green will use Matt Carle's deal as a contract model.
Yeah, Carle and Burns most likely. $3M / year looks entirely possible, along with $2.5M for Mo. I just hope that both are inked for years to come. McPhee needs to get to work and lock up their young core.

a 20 goal season would put him in the 4 mil+ per range. Looks like Ovy, Semin and Green could cost us 20 mil per. :help:

20 is stretching it. Even if Green gets $4.5 (which I highliy doubt), Ovy would still have to get to 11 to add up to 20.

I think $3.5 is a good guess for Green.


We certainly won't have to see everyone talking about the Caps not being able to make the salary floor next off season though.

We certainly won't have to see everyone talking about the Caps not being able to make the salary floor next off season though.

Yea. That tends to happen when you actually put NHL (not AHL) players on the ice...you know, reaching the floor and all.

It's hard to give a young RFA a $4mil contract without an offersheet. I'd try to lock him in for 4 or 5 with a $2-$4m escalating contract. Of course, that's pie in the sky and he'll probably get $4.5m for 5 years which is too much for young RFA's, imo.

But I'm sure GMGM will do what he has to do.

It's hard to give a young RFA a $4mil contract without an offersheet. I'd try to lock him in for 4 or 5 with a $2-$4m escalating contract. Of course, that's pie in the sky and he'll probably get $4.5m for 5 years which is too much for young RFA's, imo.

But I'm sure GMGM will do what he has to do.

Getzlaf is roughly the same age and he got a heck of a lot more than $4m without an offersheet.

Getzlaf is roughly the same age and he got a heck of a lot more than $4m without an offersheet.

Two words. Playoff proven.

This is the one thing I hate about GMGM, he waits far to long to get deals done.

Most people around here think I hate Zubrus, that is not the case. I hated the money he got. But if McPhee would have signed him to an extension before the start of last season I would be willing to bet they could have got him on a 3 or 4 year deal for about 2.95 per maybe less. Instead he waited and we lost Ovechkin's boy to free agency to a better deal. A guy who would fit really nicely on the RW with Ovy and Backstrom by the way.

He also should have signed Semin and Ovechkin to contract extensions before any offer sheets were handed out this past summer. Of course I am just throwing imaginary numbers out here, but I bet you could have signed Ovechkin to a deal at or maybe even under 7 million per and got Semin in the low 4's or high 3's. I mean he had to sign Ovechkin before the Pens signed Crosby, and didn't get it done.

And I really don't like the way the Caps are not getting Green, and Morrisonn signed. Those two should have been signed to extension's this summer. Its certainly going to cost more to ink them now that it would have then. And if he waits till the summer we may lose one (that is a real possibility people around here don't seem to want to talk about).

And you can start to add Gordon to that list as well.

I mean do any of us have any doubts those guys were quality hockey players? Did we really need to see them breakout to know they would? I for one had no doubt they would be quality players. And I don't think more than a few had thought differently. If we can see into the future and know they will be good ones why can't McPhee?

At the end of the day I really think its going to cost the Caps millions in salary cap space. Hell it may cost them that much to sign Semin and Ovechkin alone.

I know this is all much easier said that done, i know. But I would like to see something get done here.

This is the one thing I hate about GMGM, he waits far to long to get deals done.

Most people around here think I hate Zubrus, that is not the case. I hated the money he got. But if McPhee would have signed him to an extension before the start of last season I would be willing to bet they could have got him on a 3 or 4 year deal for about 2.95 per maybe less. Instead he waited and we lost Ovechkin's boy to free agency to a better deal. A guy who would fit really nicely on the RW with Ovy and Backstrom by the way.

He also should have signed Semin and Ovechkin to contract extensions before any offer sheets were handed out this past summer. Of course I am just throwing imaginary numbers out here, but I bet you could have signed Ovechkin to a deal at or maybe even under 7 million per and got Semin in the low 4's or high 3's. I mean he had to sign Ovechkin before the Pens signed Crosby, and didn't get it done.

And I really don't like the way the Caps are not getting Green, and Morrisonn signed. Those two should have been signed to extension's this summer. Its certainly going to cost more to ink them now that it would have then. And if he waits till the summer we may lose one (that is a real possibility people around here don't seem to want to talk about).

And you can start to add Gordon to that list as well.

I mean do any of us have any doubts those guys were quality hockey players? Did we really need to see them breakout to know they would? I for one had no doubt they would be quality players. And I don't think more than a few had thought differently. If we can see into the future and know they will be good ones why can't McPhee?

At the end of the day I really think its going to cost the Caps millions in salary cap space. Hell it may cost them that much to sign Semin and Ovechkin alone.

I agree that the offersheets screwed everyone by automatically inflating the value of star players, but Ovechkin for less than 7? Semin for less than 4? I would increase each figure by one (8, 5 instead of 7, 4).

This is the one thing I hate about GMGM, he waits far to long to get deals done.

Most people around here think I hate Zubrus, that is not the case. I hated the money he got. But if McPhee would have signed him to an extension before the start of last season I would be willing to bet they could have got him on a 3 or 4 year deal for about 2.95 per maybe less. Instead he waited and we lost Ovechkin's boy to free agency to a better deal. A guy who would fit really nicely on the RW with Ovy and Backstrom by the way.

He also should have signed Semin and Ovechkin to contract extensions before any offer sheets were handed out this past summer. Of course I am just throwing imaginary numbers out here, but I bet you could have signed Ovechkin to a deal at or maybe even under 7 million per and got Semin in the low 4's or high 3's. I mean he had to sign Ovechkin before the Pens signed Crosby, and didn't get it done.

And I really don't like the way the Caps are not getting Green, and Morrisonn signed. Those two should have been signed to extension's this summer. Its certainly going to cost more to ink them now that it would have then. And if he waits till the summer we may lose one (that is a real possibility people around here don't seem to want to talk about).

And you can start to add Gordon to that list as well.

I mean do any of us have any doubts those guys were quality hockey players? Did we really need to see them breakout to know they would? I for one had no doubt they would be quality players. And I don't think more than a few had thought differently. If we can see into the future and know they will be good ones why can't McPhee?

At the end of the day I really think its going to cost the Caps millions in salary cap space. Hell it may cost them that much to sign Semin and Ovechkin alone.


Spot freaking on. :teach:

Waiting only puts you behind the inflationary curve. Being proactive allows you to set your parameters rather than allow the market to set them for you.

I agree that the offersheets screwed everyone by automatically inflating the value of star players, but Ovechkin for less than 7? Semin for less than 4? I would increase each figure by one (8, 5 instead of 7, 4).

Did you see what guys like Iginla and Thornton were signing for? How can Ovechkin get more than 7 per as a RFA than the league MVP as a pending UFA?

I know we all love Ovechkin, but the market was not that high at all until that Vanek offer sheet.

Maybe saying less that 4 is a big reach for Semin, but I really do think waiting cost the Caps at least 200,000-400,000 per year. And that multiplied by 5 or 6 players starts to add up.

Did you see what guys like Iginla and Thornton were signing for? How can Ovechkin get more than 7 per as a RFA than the league MVP as a pending UFA?

I know we all love Ovechkin, but the market was not that high at all until that Vanek offer sheet.

Maybe saying less that 4 is a big reach for Semin, but I really do think waiting cost the Caps at least 200,000-400,000 per year. And that multiplied by 5 or 6 players starts to add up.

I don't know about Iginla, but Thornton admittedly signed for less than he could have gotten. I'm guessing Iginla did the same.

I don't know about Iginla, but Thornton admittedly signed for less than he could have gotten. I'm guessing Iginla did the same.

Iginla, Thornton, and Heatley all took much less money than they could have gotten. I'm hoping Ovie takes a good look at those guys and the teams that surround them and makes the right decision...an extra $2.5 million is the difference between Chris Pronger and Tom Poti.

Who's to say that Mafki hasn't already made offers to Morrisonn/Green/Ovie? Maybe just haven't accepted.

But yeah...waiting on getting these guys signed is only going to cost more in the long run. We'll see.

Greenie is also close to http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/stats?playerId=205

... Andy Delmore.

Interested in a trade? Any Elmre is currently playing here in Hamburg, Germany and I would love to see Greener in exchange :sarcasm: ;)

How can Ovechkin get more than 7 per as a RFA than the league MVP as a pending UFA?
Because he wants it and a GM offers it?

Should Kimmo Timonen or Tomas Vanek be making more this year than the very best players in the league? No...but it happens.

Who's to say that Mafki hasn't already made offers to Morrisonn/Green/Ovie? Maybe just haven't accepted.

But yeah...waiting on getting these guys signed is only going to cost more in the long run. We'll see.


Exactly.

No need to freak out about not having guys signed, it's December.

There are only two remaining problems I have with Green. Of course better decision making/consistency (no brainer) but the really pertinent one is his number...man 52 is terrible....this must change...

There are only two remaining problems I have with Green. Of course better decision making/consistency (no brainer) but the really pertinent one is his number...man 52 is terrible....this must change...I believe he wore 3 and 27 while with the Blades.

There are only two remaining problems I have with Green. Of course better decision making/consistency (no brainer) but the really pertinent one is his number...man 52 is terrible....this must change...

I kind of like it, not a bad dmen #....wouldn't mind seeing him bring back his mohawk he had in Hershey

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nhl/profiles/players/65x90/3667.jpg

The mohawk must stay or come back.

playoff mohawks>playoff beards.

There are only two remaining problems I have with Green. Of course better decision making/consistency (no brainer) but the really pertinent one is his number...man 52 is terrible....this must change...

Isn't Brian Campbell also 52??

I'm okay with the 52. Just not that great though.

Nobody who ever watched Andy Delmore and Mike Green play would actually compare the two. Stats don't tell the story here. Mike Green is already one of the best in the NHL at carrying the puck end-to-end. His acceleration is incredible and his judgment seems to be getting better every game.

I kind of like it, not a bad dmen #....wouldn't mind seeing him bring back his mohawk he had in Hershey

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nhl/profiles/players/65x90/3667.jpg
I wish I had enough hair to grow a mohawk :cry:

I believe he wore 3 and 27 while with the Blades.

You are correct sir. Started out wearing #3, then took the #27 Justin Kelly wore after Kelly graduated from the Blades/juniors.

For some reason I think he may have worn #2 when he played for the Cdn Nat Team (u-18's in 2003) but I could be wrong - Can't find a roster for that year with jersey numbers.

52 seems an odd number to settle on, maybe some unknown meaning behind it. I assume he's worn #52 throughout his Hershey days as well right? wrong?

Edited for more fun facts: at the under-18 World Championships in 2003 Mike Green played against Ovechkin (and Malkin as well but who cares about him). Russians beat Canada in the round robin with a goal from Ovy and two from Malkin but the Russians were upset by the Slovaks in the Semi's and Canada/Green won the gold.

There are only two remaining problems I have with Green. Of course better decision making/consistency (no brainer) but the really pertinent one is his number...man 52 is terrible....this must change...

It's really bad. Someone should tell the kid he can pick a decent # now that he's a regular.

You are correct sir. Started out wearing #3, then took the #27 Justin Kelly wore after Kelly graduated from the Blades/juniors.

For some reason I think he may have worn #2 when he played for the Cdn Nat Team (u-18's in 2003) but I could be wrong - Can't find a roster for that year with jersey numbers.

52 seems an odd number to settle on, maybe some unknown meaning behind it. I assume he's worn #52 throughout his Hershey days as well right? wrong?

Edited for more fun facts: at the under-18 World Championships in 2003 Mike Green played against Ovechkin (and Malkin as well but who cares about him). Russians beat Canada in the round robin with a goal from Ovy and two from Malkin but the Russians were upset by the Slovaks in the Semi's and Canada/Green won the gold.

looks like #7, not 2

link (http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.cfm/ci_id/19371link/la_id/1.htm)

Simple answer about Hershey, very traditional organization, low numbers; he wore 5 his rookie season and 25 last season since 5 was being worn by Sloan when Green returned. There was an interview on the Bears site his rookie season in which he said that he was given the numbers both in Hershey in DC, so no, he did not pick 52; I'll see if I can track down the link.

found the link/interview from 06 (http://www.hersheypa.com/events/hershey_bears/news/detail.php?id=1608)

"You sported jersey #52 with the Caps. Did you get to select the number, or did the equipment trainer just sew your name to a sweater and say, “Here you go.”? MG: Nope. Both here and there, I got my numbers picked for me. I guess that’s how it works"


Back to the thread topic, I'm one of those that thought Green might start the season in the AHL, but it was never an issue of his offensive/puck-moving ability, etc., or his future, but rather about the D competition in camp and about his level of play in his own end, whether the coaching staff was comfortable with his level of play in his own zone and whether there was a pairing, which would match a more defensive d-man with Green. I am glad he made a statement in camp and made the team and that they have now paired Morrisonn and Green.

About his next contract, I recently started pulling together the list of d-men that signed last summer and this season with some contract related information, I'll try to finish it and post it tomorrow; a number of the players have been mentioned, but still may be of interest to some posters. And I agree with Strung, not sure how anyone can know what offers have or have not been made and there are two parties involved in the negotiations, if they have taken place, not just the Capitals.

52 seems an odd number to settle on, maybe some unknown meaning behind it. I assume he's worn #52 throughout his Hershey days as well right? wrong?

1st year with Hershey he wore #5, 2nd stint with Hershey he wore #25

1st year with Hershey he wore #5, 2nd stint with Hershey he wore #25Did you not even read sk8's post?

This is the one thing I hate about GMGM, he waits far to long to get deals done.


This has always been my biggest problem with him. How many holdouts have we had in his reign just because he wouldn't start talking to them until mid-late August?

The Ovechkin thing is really gonna hurt us...you're 100% right, they had to get that done before Crosby and I don't think it even crossed his mind (if it was done just after the Thornton deal I think they certainly could've gotten him for under $8 per...probably 'bout $7.5). Now as the days go on and he shows more and more on and off the ice I'll be ecstatic with under $8.5 per.

To others speculating on Green, I'm not too sure with him. Sure he looks like he could a good player offensively but he's still got a lot of improving to do defensively (which is extremely important given that he is a d-man). He's not in the same ball park as guys like Semin and Getzlaf and anything over $3 (short-term) is a gross overpayment. I love him, but that's crazy.

Who's to say that Mafki hasn't already made offers to Morrisonn/Green/Ovie? Maybe just haven't accepted.

But yeah...waiting on getting these guys signed is only going to cost more in the long run. We'll see.

Well we know Ovie because he's said many times that nothings happened, and I doubt he could keep his mouth shut about much of anything when it comes to the media....he'd at the very least be dropping hints and teasing Tarik.

There are only two remaining problems I have with Green. Of course better decision making/consistency (no brainer) but the really pertinent one is his number...man 52 is terrible....this must change...

That coupled with him being an offensive guy bring too many comparisons with another 50's# wearing d-man we had recently.

Did you not even read sk8's post?

guess not :dunno:

guess not :dunno:

how dare you!!!!!! :sarcasm: :D

WOW....30 minutes of ice time, 3 points, the game winner. Green is awesome.:yo:

http://capitalprospect.com/pictures/greenflair.jpg

WOW....30 minutes of ice time, 3 points, the game winner. Green is awesome.:yo:

Best fantasy move I've made since snapping up Magglio Ordonez up in the last round back in March.

52 D GREEN, MIKE 1 2 3 +3 30:05 31 00:58 07:36 00:00 22:29 5 Shots

1 goal, 2 assists, 3 points, +3, 5 shots...7:36 on the PP

this guy is becoming a star imagine how good he'll be in 2 or 3 years???

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All I have to say.

There are threads on both the Rangers and Devils boards trying to figure out what it would take to get him.

Green for Norris:handclap::sarcasm:

He's one bad mofo.

$3M per is quickly looking like a bargain if he keeps up this level of play.

There are threads on both the Rangers and Devils boards trying to figure out what it would take to get him.

from NJ, Parise and a d-man.

from the Rags . . . ummm . . . I can't think of anything. Staal and Dawes maybe?

There are threads on both the Rangers and Devils boards trying to figure out what it would take to get him.

Yeah, his secret is out, always knew he loved the puck on his stick but tonight I think everyone on his team did too...I haven't started the talks on the Flyer boards but I want if he's even available...

so.....is he? what do you guys think it'll take looking at the Flyers roster?

I feel like every team in the league says they need a puck moving defencemen

Uh, if he keeps going like he is going, more than they can afford.

from NJ, Parise and a d-man.

from the Rags . . . ummm . . . I can't think of anything. Staal and Dawes maybe?
Honestly. I wouldn't do either of those. You don't trade guys with his game-breaking ability. (Doubt the Devs would move Parise either way.)

from NJ, Parise and a d-man.

from the Rags . . . ummm . . . I can't think of anything. Staal and Dawes maybe?

Parise is basically untouchable IMO, you'd probably have a better shot at Zajac and a D-man which is obviously a step down...the Devs never seem to ever get involved in a big trade mid-season anyways.

Yeah, his secret is out, always knew he loved the puck on his stick but tonight I think everyone on his team did too...I haven't started the talks on the Flyer boards but I want if he's even available...

so.....is he? what do you guys think it'll take looking at the Flyers roster?

I feel like every team in the league says they need a puck moving defencemen

Right now, this year, simply ain't gonna happen. Maybe in a few years when he's making mega millions but right now any GM in the league would have the phone hung up on them if Green, Ovechkin, or Backstrom even get mentioned IMO, then they'd be sued for the long distance charges, harrassment, and their house might be egged.

Right now, this year, simply ain't gonna happen. Maybe in a few years when he's making mega millions but right now any GM in the league would have the phone hung up on them if Green, Ovechkin, or Backstrom even get mentioned IMO, then they'd be sued for the long distance charges, harrassment, and their house might be egged.

Understandable, that's the way we feel about Richards, Upshall, Coburn...

...I know we do tend to talk about Carter's availability however, would you entertain that?

Green!!!

Yeah, we're not supposed to cross-post or whatever, but I had to lol at the suggestion of Malik + whatever

They did start an interesting debate. Is Marc Staal > Green?


I don't know.

Right now Green is better.

Understandable, that's the way we feel about Richards, Upshall, Coburn...

...I know we do tend to talk about Carter's availability however, would you entertain that?

Honestly - right now I'd say no. I really like Carter's future btw, but I just think the Caps have been rebuilding for so long now that they've finally developed a very key piece, a guy that quite possibly will be talked about as one of the top 5 offensive d-men in the league (and he's got all-around game too).

Will Carter ever be talked about as one fo the top 5 wingers/centremen in the game? I mean it's possible he reaches some lofty heights but Green is just feeling like a bonfied elite player in the making right now that the Caps or anyone would risk never being able to recoup or find again if they trade him.

Key position, represents the point of the rebuild, elite level homegrown talent, arguably soon to be better than what 9/10's of the teams in the NHL employ in the same role. They just can't move Green in the near future IMO.

I find it funny that everyone proposes that everyone throws in their washed up d-men in trade proposals with the Caps because "the Caps have no d-men."

Now they are throwing in their washed up wingers in trades for our d-men.

Yea...the Caps d needs help. Where? We can now start adding Mike Green to Ovechkin as players that need to leave because its not fair to make them play in Washington.

The Caps aren't trading Green. He's going to help us get to the playoffs this year.

i'm sure GMGM would pounce at an MTL offer featuring Ryder Halak and a 2nd for Greener and AO :sarcasm:

i'm sure GMGM would pounce at an MTL offer featuring Ryder Halak and a 2nd for Greener and AO :sarcasm:

e4:sarcasm:

i love you mike green!

Honestly - right now I'd say no. I really like Carter's future btw, but I just think the Caps have been rebuilding for so long now that they've finally developed a very key piece, a guy that quite possibly will be talked about as one of the top 5 offensive d-men in the league (and he's got all-around game too).

Will Carter ever be talked about as one fo the top 5 wingers/centremen in the game? I mean it's possible he reaches some lofty heights but Green is just feeling like a bonfied elite player in the making right now that the Caps or anyone would risk never being able to recoup or find again if they trade him.

Key position, represents the point of the rebuild, elite level homegrown talent, arguably soon to be better than what 9/10's of the teams in the NHL employ in the same role. They just can't move Green in the near future IMO.

Thanks for the response, I like Carter but I know with Richards breaking out the way he has this season and Briere obviously being the number one, having Carter as a number three center after this season may be considered a bad use of the cap, it's unfortunate that Green is untouchable because after a night like tonight he earned a fan that certainly would like to root for him in orange and black.

I find it funny that everyone proposes that everyone throws in their washed up d-men in trade proposals with the Caps because "the Caps have no d-men."

Now they are throwing in their washed up wingers in trades for our d-men.

The reason I'm on this post was to learn what Greeny meant to your team, if he was expendable...

I hope your not implying me offering Carter is me offering a washed-up winger, the kid is 22, he's huge, and can potentially be a beast.

if mike richards is cannon, mike green is tank :sarcasm:

this team rules

if mike richards is cannon, mike green is tank :sarcasm:

this team rules

love the avatar, love green, love that movie, i had to go with one myself

There are threads on both the Rangers and Devils boards trying to figure out what it would take to get him.

A max RFA offer if GMGM keeps his head up as ass...

I love all the new Green avatars.

What are Green's chances at getting into the all-star game? I think they are low, but if he keeps playing like he did last night, anything is possible.

Pretty darn low I would say. Has the goals but he's still way down the list in pts, +/- and overall awareness around the league as well. With only a handful of teams getting a second invite I doubt the Caps/Green have much of a shot.

Perhaps a young stars game? not sure what limits they put on that but he'd be a shoe'in for that if he does qualify. In a way I hope he doesn't qualify, since Sutherby I view that event as a bit of a curse.

Perhaps a young stars game? not sure what limits they put on that but he'd be a shoe'in for that if he does qualify. In a way I hope he doesn't qualify, since Sutherby I view that event as a bit of a curse.
He played in last year's Young Stars game so I'm assuming he's too old this time around. Those things are snoozers, though, so it's no big loss.

He played in last year's Young Stars game so I'm assuming he's too old this time around. Those things are snoozers, though, so it's no big loss.

Ahh..right, I forgot about Green's particpation last year. I can't stand all-star weekends anyway. The skills comp always has potential to be fun but ends up being poorly run, and often poorly competed.

I will go ahead and assume Backstrom will get the young stars invite this year.

Pretty darn low I would say. Has the goals but he's still way down the list in pts, +/- and overall awareness around the league as well. With only a handful of teams getting a second invite I doubt the Caps/Green have much of a shot.




Why is Green's assist number so low? All the other offensive D-man in the league have a lot of assist. Green doesn't, is it PP time? Or what.

Why is Green's assist number so low? All the other offensive D-man in the league have a lot of assist. Green doesn't, is it PP time? Or what.

Because he's too busy scoring goals. :teach:

Yeah, I remember the fastest skater competition being really poorly run last year, with clock malfunctions throughout.

Not sure of the exact standards for the YoungStars game but Backstrom should definitely be there regardless.

Yeah, I remember the fastest skater competition being really poorly run last year, with clock malfunctions throughout.

Not sure of the exact standards for the YoungStars game but Backstrom should definitely be there regardless.


That was so bush league. The laser timer broke and they went to the stop watch, so fans couldn't see the times nor could the television audience until they posted it on the scoreboard a minute later. Ovy also slipped off the line IIRC.

Things happen but when the clock went down it just made the NHL seem very amateurish, plus there always seem to be a couple of players afraid of embarassment in some of the comps that seemingly make it more than obvious they aren't taking it seriously as some sort of defense mechanism - if that makes any sense. Some you can tell the competitive nature takes over (like Ovechkin, you could tell he wanted to win that comp last year, probably so much so that he blew a tire out of the gate) but others just don't compete with an honest effort.

Anway - IMO hockey has a lot of potential as a sport to put on a really good skills comp but it always comes off as some sort of amatuer bush league production for some reason. In comparison to what the NBA does with it's event (I don't even really like BBall) the NHL should be ashamed of itself.

Last year, the young stars game requirement was guys on entry level contracts, which still includes Green.

Tarik article on Green (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/13/AR2007121301771.html), mentions that talks on an extension have yet to begin.

Foy: Thanks, that's it. So it's possible that Green makes it, though I'd think the NHL would prefer a first- or second-year player.

Mafki needs to get working on these RFA guys.

Mafki needs to get working on these RFA guys.

agreed. he has a bunch of guys to lock up: green, morrisonn, OV, gordon i think.

fwiw, I was told by someone with the Atlanta org. that they aren't having a youngstars game this year; however, although I can't say I have not seen a schedule for the events so maybe they are

So who would we rather keep if forced to choose between mo and green?

So who would we rather keep if forced to choose between mo and green?Both.

But If I had to choose? Green. Without question.

Both.

But If I had to choose? Green. Without question.


Yeah i agree completly, Green without question. Mo will be a excellent shut-down guy in the league one day, but Green is someone you have to choose.

http://www.dobberhockey.com/content/view/740/1/

Article on Green from Dobber

Too bad Green isn't a rookie this year, or he'd be getting lots of attention for the Calder.

http://www.dobberhockey.com/content/view/740/1/

Article on Green from Dobber

I've never read that site before, being at the top of the D goal scoring is garnering Green some attention, thanks for the link, but " The Washington Capitals selected Green with their first pick (29th overall) in the 2004 entry draft."

I've never read that site before, being at the top of the D goal scoring is garnering Green some attention, thanks for the link, but " The Washington Capitals selected Green with their first pick (29th overall) in the 2004 entry draft."


Thanks for catching that. I should have edited more closely I guess, haha.

:shakehead

Thanks for catching that. I should have edited more closely I guess, haha.

:shakehead

3rd pick, man...Ovechkin, Schultz, Green...it still says 2nd pick

Just out of curiosity what kind of contracts are we really looking at to keep Green and Morrison from getting RFA offers?

I'm sure Green's agent must be thinking this kid is going to get a ridiculous raise if he keeps playing like this. Where abouts do we draw the line and let them get offers from other clubs?

Just out of curiosity what kind of contracts are we really looking at to keep Green and Morrison from getting RFA offers?

I'm sure Green's agent must be thinking this kid is going to get a ridiculous raise if he keeps playing like this. Where abouts do we draw the line and let them get offers from other clubs?

Mo? less than $2m. I mean, he's not twice as good as last year, and he is signed for $900k right now.

Green? Offense pays better. I wouldn't be surprised if he got offers upwards of $4m, but between now and then we have to see if this is a hot streak, or a general trend of upwards play.

the projections of the cap going up ~5M is not helping GMGM's strategy of taking so F'ing long to re-sign his RFAs! :rant:

http://www2.nhl.com/nhl/app?articleid=347186&page=NewsPage&service=page

The Montreal Canadiens have more than Alex Ovechkin to keep an eye on Thursday night when they visit the Washington Capitals.

Unheralded defenceman Mike Green is blossoming into an offensive force on the back end for the Caps. He was tied with Montreal's Andrei Markov for the NHL lead in goals by defencemen at eight apiece before other games Wednesday night, a surprising piece of trivia even for the most ardent hockey fans....

When Boudreau replaced the fired Glen Hanlon behind the Caps bench on Nov. 22, few players benefited more than Green. The two had a prior relationship and Boudreau wanted to let Green strut his stuff.

So the ice time has grown, including a season-high 30:05 in an overtime win against the New York Rangers on Dec. 12 (Green scored the OT winner) and 27:23 in his last game, a shootout loss at Detroit on Monday night.

"I hate this analogy, but the more he plays the stronger he gets," said Boudreau. "When I had him in the AHL playoffs, he'd be playing 30 minutes-plus, in the second overtime he'd be stronger than the first overtime. I don't know what it is about him, but he plays with such a passion.

"The more important the game, the more excited he is."

Mo? less than $2m. I mean, he's not twice as good as last year, and he is signed for $900k right now.

Green? Offense pays better. I wouldn't be surprised if he got offers upwards of $4m, but between now and then we have to see if this is a hot streak, or a general trend of upwards play.

You really think Mo signs for less than $2? If so, his agent's an idiot. His current salary constitutes theft by McPhee. I'd be happy to give him more than $2 million for 5 years...longer if he'll take it. He's a horse and as reliable as they come. It's unbelievable that he's just about to turn 25.

I think the improved play is a trend. I think the gawdy offensive numbers will be hard to keep up. Afterall he had the big game against the RAG$ that created all these avatars. How many points since then?

I did not see the TB game, but he looked good against Detroit and so this is no complaint. I just don't think when it comes down to signing a new contract that his numbers are going to demand a huge contract. He could get a long contract though with a nice raise.

You really think Mo signs for less than $2? If so, his agent's an idiot. His current salary constitutes theft by McPhee. I'd be happy to give him more than $2 million for 5 years...longer if he'll take it. He's a horse and as reliable as they come. It's unbelievable that he's just about to turn 25.

You really have to wonder where the Caps are going to find space for any of Lepisto, Pokulok, McNeill, Alzner, & Godfrey.

Morrisonn, Green and Schultz are locked in for the long term. Poti is young enough to remain core and Pothier is not old with contract left. Thats 5 guys. You would think the Caps would want to add another veteran with playoff experience( a Glen Wesley type) that might take Erskine and/or Jurcina's role. Even if you project Pothier or Schultz as a short timer(hard to guess that though), that is still only one spot.

You really have to wonder where the Caps are going to find space for any of Lepisto, Pokulok, McNeill, Alzner, & Godfrey.

Morrisonn, Green and Schultz are locked in for the long term. Poti is young enough to remain core and Pothier is not old with contract left. Thats 5 guys. You would think the Caps would want to add another veteran with playoff experience( a Glen Wesley type) that might take Erskine and/or Jurcina's role. Even if you project Pothier or Schultz as a short timer(hard to guess that though), that is still only one spot.

Mo-Green-Open-Poti-Pothier-Schultz

I think that's what we're going with next season. Jurcina, Eminger, and Erskine could all be gone. We could keep Boomer up as a 7th or use a waiver exempt player as the need for a 7th dman arises.

I think Jurcina's a casualty through no fault of his own, it's just that we need experience up there. Jason Smith sure would look fantastic in that open spot and should be available for close to his current salary of only $2 million. Shedding Jurcina, Eminger and Erskine pays for him but we give up depth.

You think Smith leaves the C and the Flyers behind? I think he is great, but I would be really surprised that the Fly's would let him walk or choose to walk away from him.

Though, they are definately starting to slide. They are at the bottom of the league in both shots and shots against. Winning with that doesn't last long. Either the stat rankings start to even out or the record does. Right now it looks like its the record.

I'm not a salary expert by a longshot but the Flyers have $50 committed next season and they have to resign Carter and Umberger. If Smith hits UFA status and someone throws $2.5 million his way, it could be enough to land him.

He's just one of the first names that's on my Caps defense wishlist.

I'm not a salary expert by a longshot but the Flyers have $50 committed next season and they have to resign Carter and Umberger. If Smith hits UFA status and someone throws $2.5 million his way, it could be enough to land him.

He's just one of the first names that's on my Caps defense wishlist.

I don't follow his situation as much but who says he doesn't just end up back in Edmonton. Not sure if he has ruled that out and would refuse to go back, whether he loved his time there and is dying to go back, or whether he's just plain indifferent right now and will evaluate all offers come July 1.

I'm not a salary expert by a longshot but the Flyers have $50 committed next season and they have to resign Carter and Umberger. If Smith hits UFA status and someone throws $2.5 million his way, it could be enough to land him.

He's just one of the first names that's on my Caps defense wishlist.
Holmgren has said that getting Smith signed to an extension is his highest priority after getting Richards inked (higher than extending Carter even). It looks like they're either going to have to deal Carter for a cheaper player or shed the contracts of guys like Hatcher and Knuble.

With the inflation of the UFA market--particularly among defensemen--I'd expect Smith to net more than $2.5M in the open market. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $3.5-4.5M / yr. seems about right, though Philadelphia seems determined to retain him before he hits the market.

Mo-Green-Open-Poti-Pothier-Schultz

I think that's what we're going with next season. Jurcina, Eminger, and Erskine could all be gone. We could keep Boomer up as a 7th or use a waiver exempt player as the need for a 7th dman arises.

I think Jurcina's a casualty through no fault of his own, it's just that we need experience up there. Jason Smith sure would look fantastic in that open spot and should be available for close to his current salary of only $2 million. Shedding Jurcina, Eminger and Erskine pays for him but we give up depth.

Alzner will give us some depth, unless he has one more year of junior eligibility after this season. I'm still not sure how it works, considering some guys play two more seasons of juniors after being drafted (Fehr), while others only play one (Green).

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I think that's what we're going with next season. Jurcina, Eminger, and Erskine could all be gone. We could keep Boomer up as a 7th or use a waiver exempt player as the need for a 7th dman arises.

I think Jurcina's a casualty through no fault of his own, it's just that we need experience up there. Jason Smith sure would look fantastic in that open spot and should be available for close to his current salary of only $2 million. Shedding Jurcina, Eminger and Erskine pays for him but we give up depth.

I think the Caps would rather move Pothier than Jurcina, but that is going to be difficult.

In a perfect world the Caps could dump Pothier and give that salary to Smith in free agency. As I am with you 100% that Smith would be the idea UFA signing for this Caps team this summer.

Smith would rock, but how would they make a spot for him? Smith (or some one of his ilk) and a scoring RW'er. Dumont mayhaps?

Smith would rock, but how would they make a spot for him? Smith (or some one of his ilk) and a scoring RW'er. Dumont mayhaps?

I think any scoring RW would have to be a deadline move. I don't think this team can afford to add anymore offensive talent. With Clark penciled on the top line (or at least in the top 6) and Backstrom only eating up .9 in cap space (bonus cushion)the Caps are still going to use about 23-25 million in salary cap space on just the top 2 lines next season.

I think the improved play is a trend. I think the gawdy offensive numbers will be hard to keep up. Afterall he had the big game against the RAG$ that created all these avatars. How many points since then?

I did not see the TB game, but he looked good against Detroit and so this is no complaint. I just don't think when it comes down to signing a new contract that his numbers are going to demand a huge contract. He could get a long contract though with a nice raise.


Hey we were just having some fun off a great winning high. Too bad you couldn't get onboard. ;)

Smith would rock, but how would they make a spot for him? Smith (or some one of his ilk) and a scoring RW'er. Dumont mayhaps?


I've been thinking about Dumont, but let's be honest he's really a 2nd liner at best. Career 20g, 40-60 point guy.

I've been thinking about Dumont, but let's be honest he's really a 2nd liner at best. Career 20g, 40-60 point guy.
Yeah but who does he play with in Nashville? He could probably get a bit of a bump playing with Backstrom and Ovechkin.

It won;t happen because we have Kozlov... ugh, but I think thats the only kind of forward upgrade the Caps would make, unless they knew for sure what Fehr's status is, then they might go for a big splash until Bouchard is ready.

When the payroll cutting trades start coming before the trade deadline, you will see McPhee spend an asset or two for a quality RW rental. Assuming Boudreau keeps the ship on its current course.

My belief is that McPhee will allow Bouchard, Perrault, Fehr and Bourque to win that RW job in camp every year, with Clark as the fallback plan and a rental at the deadline until one of them grows into the job. It will only take one and one of the four will get it done.

Til then rentals every Feb.

Hey we were just having some fun off a great winning high. Too bad you couldn't get onboard. ;)

Oh, dude. Don't get me wrong. I approve of the avatars. I requested one. Strung maybe Strung wasn't inclined to make one for me. I dont think I am one of his favorite posters here.

I am just saying that he was Bobby Orr that night and the next two games he has been a little more human. Still outstanding, but no more 4 for now.

Did you PM him or anything? I only saw where you asked him in some other thread, but I don't think he saw it. He was taking requests in the rangers GDT for days.

I saw it.

No one equals Bobby Orr. No one.

Oh he wanted Orr, I thought he wanted Bourne or somebody. Can't remember where he posted it.

Yeah, no one gets Orr, unless its Colton lol. Don Cherry's head would be funny to, though.

Ok, now I'm getting jealous with my plain old picture.

Strung, might I ask for Kermit?

I'll change my caption to "It ain't easy being Green."

Oh, dude. Don't get me wrong. I approve of the avatars. I requested one. Strung maybe Strung wasn't inclined to make one for me. I dont think I am one of his favorite posters here. I made this one that night....seems appropriate with you new avatar. Just the wrong character.

http://capitalprospect.com/pictures/greentony.jpg

Ok, now I'm getting jealous with my plain old picture.

Strung, might I ask for Kermit?

I'll change my caption to "It ain't easy being Green."http://capitalprospect.com/pictures/greenkermit.jpg

http://capitalprospect.com/pictures/greenkermit.jpg

Haha wow, thanks a lot! Haha better than I thought it'd turn out. You're the man as always.

oh...i asked for Orr...then Iafrate...the Jason Bourne....then......I think that is when I stopped asking and went to Pacino.

The Britney Spears has to be the scariest of them all, though

oh...i asked for Orr...then Iafrate...the Jason Bourne....then......I think that is when I stopped asking and went to Pacino.

The Britney Spears has to be the scariest of them all, though

You were axing in the wrong thread! Keep the NYR gameday thread alive :yo:

Habs fan here, and after watching the game yesterday (despite green not having a very statistical night), his abilities were obvious. Can't remember the last time I saw a Dman who had the offensive skills he showed.

He's a unique talent for sure, you guys are really lucky. The Caps could be ridiculous in a couple of years...

since i will guess you come back to read the responses, you will disappointed to find out that your comments are like a stake thru the heart around here. For three seasons we hear about how have we such great young talent and that we are lucky and going to have a great team one day....oh and thanx for the two points.

If the Caps had beaten your boys A$$ like they should have in that game(the Capitals totally dominated that game), you would not be here talking about how lucky we are.

You would be on your own board talking about how crappy your team is.

Yea, Yea....we know. its a lot of fun to watch the Caps lose.

since i will guess you come back to read the responses, you will disappointed to find out that your comments are like a stake thru the heart around here. For three seasons we hear about how have we such great young talent and that we are lucky and going to have a great team one day....oh and thanx for the two points.

If the Caps had beaten your boys A$$ like they should have in that game(the Capitals totally dominated that game), you would not be here talking about how lucky we are.

You would be on your own board talking about how crappy your team is.

Yea, Yea....we know. its a lot of fun to watch the Caps lose.

I have nothing against the Caps at all. In fact, they could very well be my 2nd favorite team in the EC. I only came over here because I was impressed so much by Mike Green. Then when I read he was only 21 and is tied with Markov for the league lead in pts by a dman, I could sense this player was special. Nothing boastful or mean spirited by my response. You guys are lucky in the sense that you are set in goal for now and for the future, you have several good young dman, including a potential star in green, and you are loaded with young top end talented forwards. The future is bright in Washington...

I was just awed by Green, not trying rub salt in any wounds...

I agree with you. If we can keep our team from imloading under the pressure of all the loses we are going to be awesome some day soon. I just don't think we're going to have enough patience.