The "Lets propose tradez thread"

(Yes, I added a z because I wanted to).

So, lets see what you guys can come up with. We know that a trade WILL go down by Tuesday. We just don't know for who or for what yet. So, lets get started. Here are a few I think are pretty fair in value considering the circumstances.

Schenider and a 1st for Dustin Byfuglien

O'Donnell for a 3rd (doesn't matter who the team is).

I refuse to make a King Beauchemin proposal. :cry:

Dammit I had a big post typed out and then accidentally hit a "bookmark." And thus lost the post.

I would not want to trade Edmonton's 1st for Fugly (that should be his nickname). He had a great game against us, but by reading the Blackhawk boards he's somewhat inconsistent. He's also made huge progress recently, like Penner, so who knows what to expect from him (and lost like 30 pounds! in one offseason). And Chicago doesn't even know if he's a forward or defenseman, he's played both. Schneider and a 2nd is the most I'd want to overpay for him (and it is an overpay).

I'll provide some of my estimated trade values. These will all be in terms of picks, assuming the picks are 15.5th overall in the draft. Not that I expect trades for picks, just to express what I feel the values are.

Beauchemin: 1st and a 3rd (maybe 2nd). If he's traded it'll be only for full value.

Schneider: 1st and a low pick, like a 5th. He may get traded for less if Burke wants to re-sign Perry now, or if he has some indication Niedermayer may come back. By less I mean about a 2nd's worth.

O'Donnell: 3rd is his value, but I think they'd be willing to move him for less, like a 4th or 5th.

Marchant: 4th is his value, but they'll be willing to move him for pennies. Like a 7th, or future considerations, or a busted prospect who will be a career AHLer to help the minor league team. They may even consider packaging Edmonton's 3rd to trade him for future considerations/career AHLer. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's traded to Phoenix or Washington for future considerations.

Moen: He may actually get moved. His 900k will clear up space for next year, and he can be partially replaced by Miller, who makes 120k less. I still don't fully understand tagging, but it's possible trading Moen and replacing him with Miller saves us over 1 million in tag space (120k saved in this year's cap space + 900k from Moen's salary next year). ANYWAYS, Moen is probably worth a 3rd, and if he's traded he'll probably get full value.

How do you plan on trading 13 million dollars for picks and prospects if you couldnt trade 1 million in a starting goaltender?
Anyways, according to http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=224549 the ducks only have to lose $880K so the ducks may not even have to move Schneider I guess

I'd trade Beauchemin, but only for Jordan Staal.

I think you might be undervaluing FB a little and overvaluing Schneider.

FB = a 1st and a HF 7-8 rated Prospect. The way I see it he is not a one year rental. He is signed to a ridiculous contract through next season and still has atleast 5 more prime years ahead of him.

Mat = Because of his Age and salary a 2nd.

Wouldnt it be nice if someone would just take Marchant off our hands? Really that would put us in perfect position for a run this season, and we could figure out Perry after. Then if Nieds stays we trade Matt.

I think you might be undervaluing FB a little and overvaluing Schneider.

FB = a 1st and a HF 7-8 rated Prospect. The way I see it he is not a one year rental. He is signed to a ridiculous contract through next season and still has atleast 5 more prime years ahead of him.

Mat = Because of his Age and salary a 2nd.

Wouldnt it be nice if someone would just take Marchant off our hands? Really that would put us in perfect position for a run this season, and we could figure out Perry after. Then if Nieds stays we trade Matt.
Well Beauchemin has only been soso this year. Of course a lot of that was that he was paired with Hnidy for much of the season and not Niedermayer. But I've noticed him get beat more than last year, whereas last year he was the defensive rock that allowed Niedermayer to roam. By my guess, your 1st and a 7-8 prospect is roughly 2x 1st (in my wacko currency system I'm gonna push for awhile), so we're not that far off.

As to Marchant... I'm really hoping Burke had curried some favor with Maloney or McPhee for that one. If Marchant's contract was up this year I'm sure it'd be no problem, that 2nd year worries me. OD's contract might be more palatable. And Phoenix or Washington could try to sell him at the trade deadline of 08 or 09.

How do you plan on trading 13 million dollars for picks and prospects if you couldnt trade 1 million in a starting goaltender?

Thanks for the old newsflash that we've had repeated at us since Niedermayer announced his comeback... but we've been over this and there were different circumstances involved with Bryzgalov's being waived. Besides, as nice as it'd be to free up Perry-space under the cap now (for next year), we don't necessarily need to get rid of Schneider right now (especially if we want another legitimate shot at the Cup).

marchant = 3rd/4th or less
Schnieder = 2nd or 3rd or less
Beauchemin = 1st + high prospect/young NHL'er

With Burkey saying he has a "deal on the table and is just waiting to see if he gets a better offer" makes me thinking we're not coming out on top of this deal or its something minor.

(Yes, I added a z because I wanted to).

So, lets see what you guys can come up with. We know that a trade WILL go down by Tuesday. We just don't know for who or for what yet. So, lets get started. Here are a few I think are pretty fair in value considering the circumstances.

Schenider and a 1st for Dustin Byfuglien

O'Donnell for a 3rd (doesn't matter who the team is).

I refuse to make a King Beauchemin proposal. :cry:

This kid is a beast and going to be really good.

O'Donnell is one of the few stay at home defensemen we have in the line up, I don't think I would part ways with him.

I think Marchant should be traded or waived, Miller or Sutherby can take his spot, no problem. Marchant gives us what, 4-6 goal a year?

Marchant to anywhere for future considerations

Hnidy to anywhere for future considerations


make it happen burkie!:yo:

Schneider: 1st and a low pick, like a 5th. He may get traded for less if Burke wants to re-sign Perry now, or if he has some indication Niedermayer may come back. By less I mean about a 2nd's worth..

If Burke and the Ducks weren't over a barrel, I would agree with this. The size of Schneider's contract will make it difficult for most teams to absorb but I really believe that Schneider will be the one to go - not so much because of the cap, but because of the Ducks internal budget. If they want to sign Selanne (which I hope they do), internal Budget considerations would be greatly eased if they could move Schneider. I could see the Pens taking on Schneider along with Edmonton's second and sending back a first. No one in the Western Conf will trade with the Ducks at this point and I doubt that Burke would want to give up Schneider or Beachamin to a Western Conf foe either. As far as Burke having a trade "already on the table", you can bet your house that he doesn't or else he would have said nothing.

Am I the only one that doesn't want to see Schneider traded? I understand he is the most outstanding candidate, but I love the way he has been playing. He is okay in our own end and even though he shoots the puck too much, he creates great offensive chances and has been contributing with quite a few goals and assists considering the amount of games he has played.

Am I the only one that doesn't want to see Schneider traded? I understand he is the most outstanding candidate, but I love the way he has been playing. He is okay in our own end and even though he shoots the puck too much, he creates great offensive chances and has been contributing with quite a few goals and assists considering the amount of games he has played.
I'm with you. Espeically since I'm thinking Scott will retire and we'll be in trouble after that. But if Schneider nets a scoring winger I'd be happy with that. Because I have doubts that Teemu will come back. Although I admit it's seeming more likely now.

Am I the only one that doesn't want to see Schneider traded? I understand he is the most outstanding candidate, but I love the way he has been playing. He is okay in our own end and even though he shoots the puck too much, he creates great offensive chances and has been contributing with quite a few goals and assists considering the amount of games he has played.

I don't want to see Schneider leave either, who cares about budget, we want the best team available and why go after the same team as last year when we can have an even better one? Keeping schneider doesn't mean we can't sign Selanne if he wants to play.

I'm with you. Espeically since I'm thinking Scott will retire and we'll be in trouble after that. But if Schneider nets a scoring winger I'd be happy with that. Because I have doubts that Teemu will come back. Although I admit it's seeming more likely now.

I have that feeling too. I feel that we will dropped what we need to only to find out that Niedermayer is thinking about retirement again. Then we are left with a decent team with money problems. Teemu I'll wait to see what happens.

I don't want to see Schneider leave either, who cares about budget, we want the best team available and why go after the same team as last year when we can have an even better one? Keeping schneider doesn't mean we can't sign Selanne if he wants to play.
You can't just say who cares about the budget. The budget is important. Just realize that every million we're over budget is likely a million the budget will be lowered in a year or two. The owner may not mind paying a little more now, but expect it to be paid back in the end.

The only bonus about being over budget now is that if our payroll is at "50 million" it's not actually 6 million above budget because 1/3 of the season has already gone by. It's only 4 million above budget.

I don't want to see Schneider leave either, who cares about budget

The guy signing the pay checks.

The guy signing the pay checks.

You know what, you're right. That is a very enlightening post, I encourage you to share your insight all over the forum.

The ducks are not over barrel. If they were, they would not have spent the last 4 days considering offers.

Considering... not desperate for.

The Samuelli's are awesome people who have donated millions upon millions of dollars into southern california causes... I think their budget was based upon not losing money this season... not based on selling out almost every game.

Internal budget is a goal, but does not matter.

You can't just say who cares about the budget. The budget is important. Just realize that every million we're over budget is likely a million the budget will be lowered in a year or two. The owner may not mind paying a little more now, but expect it to be paid back in the end.

The only bonus about being over budget now is that if our payroll is at "50 million" it's not actually 6 million above budget because 1/3 of the season has already gone by. It's only 4 million above budget.

Yeah, somebody has to pay the checks. No matter how you spin it, 50 million is A LOT of money even for a billionaire. As an owner, I certainly wouldn't want to be losing money.

So, big day tomorrow...kind of scared.

schneider for mara and a 2nd ;)

Yeah, somebody has to pay the checks. No matter how you spin it, 50 million is A LOT of money even for a billionaire. As an owner, I certainly wouldn't want to be losing money.

So, big day tomorrow...kind of scared.

Most billionares wouldn't see hockey as an investment opportunity...

I would look to the B's for a potential trading partner. We have the money to spare - with all of our recent injuries - and we play a system focused heavily on defense. We're always looking to improve it.

I don't think the Bruins would want to give up Kessle for Beauchemin. Maybe some sort of deal for Schneider would work though.

Only hourz to go...

Man, and people think the Leafs overvalue their players....

You know what, you're right. That is a very enlightening post, I encourage you to share your insight all over the forum.

Ask a simple question, get a simple answer.

Man, and people think the Leafs overvalue their players....
Says the guy who proposed Sundin for Ryan, Mitera and Edm 1st.

Says the guy who proposed Sundin for Ryan, Mitera and Edm 1st.

If anybody could pull that off it would be JFJ! Especially against such a poor GM like Burke!

:sarcasm:

Says the guy who proposed Sundin for Ryan, Mitera and Edm 1st.

Ryan...bust so far, until he proves himself in the NHL.
Mitera...still playing college
1st round pick....could be anywhere from 5-10 (realistically)

The 1st round pick is the best assets there and is still not a sure thing. Sundin has been reborn. You won't get him for a song. Think "more than what Forsberg brought in"...for starters...

:naughty:

You know what, you're right. That is a very enlightening post, I encourage you to share your insight all over the forum.

:biglaugh:HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!:biglaugh:

The AHL website (transactions section) is showing that the Ducks have recalled Defenseman Bruno St. Jacques from Portland. Piece of a trade?

12/11/2007 - Bruno St. Jacques (D) - Portland DEL Recalled from loan by Anaheim (NHL)

There is so much more than goes into trades than flat out value.

You are an idiot if you think that just because you can rationalize value that you can qualify a trade as 'equal'.

The Mitera/Ryan/1st for Sundin is just dumb. In your mind, the value is equal, but who cares about equal, does this help the ducks to rent Sundin and give up their only descent prospects and a 1st?

Get a grip on reality.

Ryan...bust so far, until he proves himself in the NHL.
Mitera...still playing college
1st round pick....could be anywhere from 5-10 (realistically)

The 1st round pick is the best assets there and is still not a sure thing. Sundin has been reborn. You won't get him for a song. Think "more than what Forsberg brought in"...for starters...

:naughty:

Don't bother defending that proposal. We don't care what you think whatsoever, even if any 2 of the 3 assets you're demanding is roughly equal to the entire Forsberg package. Just don't blame us if we don't take your claim that Ducks fans are more homerish than Leafs fans seriously. Glass houses and stones.

Bobby Ryan is good.

Schneider and Marchant to Chicago for Yanic Perrault and a 3rd round draft choice.

Done and Done.

Ryan...bust so far, until he proves himself in the NHL.

You, sir, are a complete moron.

You, sir, are a complete moron.
Your response should have been "then why do you want him?"

You, sir, are a complete moron.

You tell me what he's done in the NHL to date....oh wait that's right NOTHING.

He was taken with the 2nd overall choice in 2005. That's almost 3 years ago and still hasn't made a splash yet while other players taken after him have made some noise or at least made the NHL by now.

Let's see there was...

Jack Johnson...Making an impact on the LA blueline
Benoit Poulot...made NHL appearance
Carey Price...won AHL Calder Cup, sharing #1 duties with Huet
Gilbert Brule...has been in the NHL the last 2 yrs
Devin Setoguchi...made an imediate impact 7 goals in first 9 games
Luc Bourdon...made NHL appearance
Anze Kopitar...challenged for the Calder last year, over a PPG this year
Marc Staal...up with the Rangers and been given more icetime
Martin Hanzel...made the Coyotes and impressing thus far
Ryan Parent...made NHL appearance
Tuuka Rask...made NHL appearance
Niklas Bergfors...made NHL appearance
Andrew Cogliano...playing well and putting up nice #'s in Edm
Matt Niksanen...playing well on the Dallas blueline
Steve Downie...made NHL appearance


And that's only players that were taken in the 1st round! There is actually 13 more players from rounds 2-7 that have either made an impact or an appearance for their team.

so...who's the MORON now. You don't think for a second Burke wouldn't rather choose one of those players over Ryan. I for one can see six players that I'd easily want over Ryan.

Unless Ryan makes an impact soon, he's a bust. I mean, c'mon, he was taken 2nd overall.

Your response should have been "then why do you want him?"

I'd rather have Logan McMillan. But for some reason, Leaf fans have fixated on Ryan. Most think he would be some sort of reclaimation project. He has good size and the potential is there, unfortunately he hasn't panned out as of yet. Not saying he never will, but as of now IMO he's a bust.

Like I said, I'd rather have McMillan. McMillan, Mitera and a 1st...;)

Like I said, I'd rather have McMillan. McMillan, Mitera and a 1st...;)

Keep dreaming. We managed just fine without mortgaging the future on Sundin last year.

The AHL website (transactions section) is showing that the Ducks have recalled Defenseman Bruno St. Jacques from Portland. Piece of a trade?

12/11/2007 - Bruno St. Jacques (D) - Portland DEL Recalled from loan by Anaheim (NHL)

I think he might be replacing someone.

Keep dreaming. We managed just fine without mortgaging the future on Sundin last year.

That was never the debate.

Not really mortgaging the future if you trade what is concieved a bust (Ryan), a player who has opted out of proffesional hockey to stay in college (Mitera) and a 1st, which could be the best asset in the deal. And no doubt a 1st would have to be included in any deal for a player like Sundin.

I think he might be replacing someone.

Thanks...

Thanks...

Let me rephrase that. I thought he was gonna to be brought up to replaced one of are player not be traded.

Let me rephrase that. I thought he was gonna to be brought up to replaced one of are player not be traded.

That's how I took it...

You tell me what he's done in the NHL to date....oh wait that's right NOTHING.

He was taken with the 2nd overall choice in 2005. That's almost 3 years ago and still hasn't made a splash yet while other players taken after him have made some noise or at least made the NHL by now.

Let's see there was...

Jack Johnson...Making an impact on the LA blueline
Benoit Poulot...made NHL appearance
Carey Price...won AHL Calder Cup, sharing #1 duties with Huet
Gilbert Brule...has been in the NHL the last 2 yrs
Devin Setoguchi...made an imediate impact 7 goals in first 9 games
Luc Bourdon...made NHL appearance
Anze Kopitar...challenged for the Calder last year, over a PPG this year
Marc Staal...up with the Rangers and been given more icetime
Martin Hanzel...made the Coyotes and impressing thus far
Ryan Parent...made NHL appearance
Tuuka Rask...made NHL appearance
Niklas Bergfors...made NHL appearance
Andrew Cogliano...playing well and putting up nice #'s in Edm
Matt Niksanen...playing well on the Dallas blueline
Steve Downie...made NHL appearance


And that's only players that were taken in the 1st round!

so...who's the MORON now. You don't think for a second Burke wouldn't rather choose one of those players over Ryan. I for one can see six players that I'd easily want over Ryan.

Unless Ryan makes an impact soon, he's a bust. I mean, c'mon, he was taken 2nd overall.

Last August, or was it July, was the 2nd anniversary of Bobby Ryan being drafted. You are a complete idiot for calling him a bust 2 FREAKING YEARS after he was drafted. That's more or less the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I'm not even being a sensationalist here. Just because a prospect isn't lighting up the league in his rookie season does not make him a bust. Not even close.

Also, you seem to be forgetting that Bobby Ryan also had his cup of coffee in the league thus far, scoring a goal. And he could be up here, but Burke doesn't want him here. Burke wants him to further develop his game in the minors, as he should. Power forwards also take a little longer to develop. As for your list:

Jack Johnson-on a weak Kings blueline and isn't exactly blowing people away.
Benoit Pouliot-Played about the same amount of games as Ryan, produced less
Carey Price-Yep, but he's a goalie, so it wouldn't have mattered
Gilbert Brule-Seemingly gets handed a top 6 spot in Columbus, yet somehow loses it and probably gets injured too
Devin Setoguchi-Thornton
Luc Bourdon-Made an NHL appearance because every Canuck defenseman decided to cash in their sick days at the same time
Kopitar-Yep, but I also doubt Burke would ever take a Slovenian that high
Staal-Finally cracked a weak Rangers blueline after many failed attempts at it, not blowing anyone away
Hanzal-Doing not bad, but that POS would never ever play on a team for Brian Burke anyway, but he's not lighting it up either
Cogliano-Doing well on a Edmonton squad which is super weak up front
Niskanen-Cracked a Dallas blueline which is weak on the back end, also not blowing anyone away
Downie-Called up because he's a 4th liner, and that's easier to crack than top 6, especially when all Philly's 4th liners are suspended


Also, there isn't a GM on earth who would've taken most of these guys over Ryan 2nd overall. The only ones that could've went are Johnson, Pouliot, Brule and Kopitar. Ryan will probably be better than most of the guys on that list. It's called giving a freaking power forward some time to develop.

That's how I took it...

I sensed sacarsm so I wantecd to clarify.

Guys, just ignore the Toronto poster. He didn't propose that crappy trade here, it was on the main boards awhile ago. He got properly reamed for it there, he doesn't need to defend it here. The only relevence is it shows how little his opinion of fair trade value is worth.

To get back on topic I'd make a random proposal. Schneider + Edm 2nd to Carolina for Stillman and some kind of minor league scorer (Keith Aucoin maybe?). We probably have to add more, I'm not sure what. A mid-level forward prospect or something.

I sensed sacarsm so I wantecd to clarify.

No sarcasm on my part. Wasn't sure if it might be trade or possible injury (Huskins?) related...

Guys, just ignore the Toronto poster. He didn't propose that crappy trade here, it was on the main boards awhile ago. He got properly reamed for it there, he doesn't need to defend it here. The only relevence is it shows how little his opinion of fair trade value is worth.

My problem isn't the proposal, I got little to no beef with that. Sure, I don't like it, and would never do it, but it's not like Schneider and edm 1st for 2nd. My beef is that he has the stupidity to call a player who can't even legally drink in the states a bust.

My problem isn't the proposal, I got little to no beef with that. Sure, I don't like it, and would never do it, but it's not like Schneider and edm 1st for 2nd. My beef is that he has the stupidity to call a player who can't even legally drink in the states a bust.
Yeah but it's just his reasoning for the proposal. Just let him live in ignorant bliss. Ignore it and he'll go away.

He was taken with the 2nd overall choice in 2005. That's almost 3 years ago and still hasn't made a splash yet while other players taken after him have made some noise or at least made the NHL by now.

It's way too early to write off Ryan. Not everybody can be like Crosby/Ovechkin and have a huge impact within 2 years of their draft year.

It's not about how fast you get to the NHL, else Mike Milbury would be hailed as a genius. The 1990s Islanders screwed up enough of their prospects by pushing them too soon.

On the other hand, good teams like the Avalanche, Red Wings, and Devils could take their time with their prospects and bring them in at the right time. Hejduk/Drury were 22 when he made the NHL. Zetterberg was 22 while Datsyuk was 23.

Ryan hasn't even turned 21 yet. A bit premature to label him the next Pavel Brendl. Zach Parise was 21 when he debuted in the NHL and he was awful his first ~40 games. Obviously Parise's turned out fine, but that shows you can't judge a guy this early. Especially if you're trying to make an argument for guys like Luc Bourdon, Nicklas Bergfors, etc who are equally unproven.

On the other hand, good teams like the Avalanche, Red Wings, and Devils could take their time with their prospects and bring them in at the right time.

What's so often overlooked when Ryan bashers get going is that good teams never draft second overall. Here the Ducks are, a team that went to the SCF, the WCF, then won the cup, drafting 2nd overall because of the screwy lottery.

They have no need for Ryan to be in the NHL so he's not. Its less a reflection on Ryan than that of the team that drafted him.

I hope you guys realize, we're probably not going to get anything of real value back, unless we trade Beauchemin. If we get a 3rd round pick for Schnieder, I'll be happy. Sure, his value is higher than that, but with his cap hit, his value shoots down. So...don't be expecting a big return.

I hope you guys realize, we're probably not going to get anything of real value back, unless we trade Beauchemin. If we get a 3rd round pick for Schnieder, I'll be happy. Sure, his value is higher than that, but with his cap hit, his value shoots down. So...don't be expecting a big return.

The return for Schneider will be better than that. The only way he is traded is if the team is somehow improved as a result.

I don't know what team would take Marchant and his inflated salary - even for free. Anaheim would almost have to give up a pick as well just to get rid of Todd. I hope I'm wrong!

Is trading McDonald out of the question? For what he's getting paid, he's been below average this season. Do you keep him around just in case Selanne returns? I wouldn't. The problem is, Anaheim cant afford to lose more offense, and while Andy is not providing any at the moment, I don't think you can receive anyone in return who will put up 20+ goals a season for 2 million or so. If you can, I say do it!

As someone noted in the other thread, Atlanta made some odd moves, sending down 2 forwards in Little and Haydar. They only have 12 forwards now. Could we be sending them a forward and a defenseman?

Marchant + OD for Holik and a prospect? (Holik fills the forward spot for this year, the prospect provides some future value).

Marchant + mid pick for Perrin?

Would anyone be comfortable with trading for Hossa knowing he's a rental? Say Schneider + Moen + a forward prospect (like Carter/Milller... someone who could play in the NHL to fill up a spot if needed) for Hossa?

I think if the Ducks trade Schneider--they may have trouble trying to land UFA in the future---UFA pay attention when players get traded less then a year after signing with the a team.

I think if the Ducks trade Schneider--they may have trouble trying to land UFA in the future---UFA pay attention when players get traded less then a year after signing with the a team.
Maybe. Although I think other UFA will see that there's unusual circumstances behind it. This isn't a team moving a player who they've committed to long term, and it's not like he's just being moved because wasn't performing and they didn't give him a chance. UFAs will also ask Schneider how he feels about it. By all accounts Schneider won't hold much of grudge if he's moved.
I wasn’t naïve. I knew it was a possibility at any time. I signed my deal without any kind of trade clause in it, so it’s always a possibility.
His word is more important than anything else, free agents won't just discriminate without hearing the full story.

And there's also all the other moves the Ducks have done that will look good in a player's eyes, like moving Bryz to get him a job and allowing Scotty the time he needed to make a decision.

As someone noted in the other thread, Atlanta made some odd moves, sending down 2 forwards in Little and Haydar. They only have 12 forwards now.

They have a bunch of expiring contracts which include Holik, Rucchin and now Recchi

They have a bunch of expiring contracts which include Holik, Rucchin and now Recchi
Yeah exactly. Although it looks like Rucchin is done, he hasn't played a single game this season and missed the last 25 games of last season with what might be the same concussion? Because he might not be a bad 4th line center to replace Marchant with slightly less money and an expiring contract.

I think if the Ducks trade Schneider--they may have trouble trying to land UFA in the future---UFA pay attention when players get traded less then a year after signing with the a team.

I think that's overrated.

After the lockout, the Bruins signed Dave Scatchard to a 4 year contract. About two months into his first season, they traded him across the country to Phoenix. The following offseason, the Bruins managed to land two prized free agents in Zdeno Chara and Marc Savard. Albeit a different GM was in charge.

The Devils infamously signed Alexander Mogilny and Dan McGillis to two year deals and then left them in the AHL. Devils managed to re-sign Patrik Elias and Jamie Langenbrunner afterwards while signing Dainius Zubrus a year later.

I mean it's not the best practice to sign a guy to a multiyear deal, have him relocate his family, and then trade him within a year. But if you do it once due to certain circumstances, it's probably not going to scare off the next guy if you wave enough money at him.

Marchant + OD for Holik and a prospect? (Holik fills the forward spot for this year, the prospect provides some future value).

Off the top of my head, I believe Holik makes more than Marchant/OD combined so I'm not sure how that would affect this year's cap for you guys. The only figure I've heard for sure is having to clear out 880K on next year's cap which this trade would accomplish.

The difference between Holik and a depth defenseman like St. Jacques vs. Marchant/OD would be a prorated amount of ~million.

I think that's overrated.

After the lockout, the Bruins signed Dave Scatchard to a 4 year contract. About two months into his first season, they traded him across the country to Phoenix. The following offseason, the Bruins managed to land two prized free agents in Zdeno Chara and Marc Savard. Albeit a different GM was in charge.

The Devils infamously signed Alexander Mogilny and Dan McGillis to two year deals and then left them in the AHL. Devils managed to re-sign Patrik Elias and Jamie Langenbrunner afterwards while signing Dainius Zubrus a year later.

I mean it's not the best practice to sign a guy to a multiyear deal, have him relocate his family, and then trade him within a year. But if you do it once due to certain circumstances, it's probably not going to scare off the next guy if you wave enough money at him.

Not only that, but Schneider said himself he understands, and I imagine the Ducks would try to accomdate him, almost to the extent of letting him veto certain deals. Plus, that is very overrated, and I doubt it would affect the Ducks. Many players mentioned how many NHLers want to play here, as they've heard good things. I doubt trading away Mathieu Schneider, when everybody knows the circumstance, will change that.

Just wondering if you Ducks fans are willing to trade Todd Bertuzzi for Matt Cooke? Both players have 7 to 8 points this season. However, Cooke makes 1.5 million, whereas Bertuzzi makes 4 million. The Canucks have 3 million in cap space, whereas the Ducks need cap space for the return of Niedermayer and maybe Selanne.

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for the ducks, i hate bertuzzi (only duck I hate)

Just wondering if you Ducks fans are willing to trade Todd Bertuzzi for Matt Cooke? Both players have 7 to 8 points this season. However, Cooke makes 1.5 million, whereas Bertuzzi makes 4 million. The Canucks have 3 million in cap space, whereas the Ducks need cap space for the return of Niedermayer and maybe Selanne.
The Ducks don't have enough scoring as is. They're not going to trade an offensive player for a checker/agitator. Marchant for Cooke? The Ducks will probably throw in a pick for that. Not like Vancouver would do that though.

Vancouver's a bad partner, the Ducks want to deal defense.

Off the top of my head, I believe Holik makes more than Marchant/OD combined so I'm not sure how that would affect this year's cap for you guys. The only figure I've heard for sure is having to clear out 880K on next year's cap which this trade would accomplish.

The difference between Holik and a depth defenseman like St. Jacques vs. Marchant/OD would be a prorated amount of ~million.
Yes Holik makes more. That's why Atlanta would consider it, to drop some money. This would only be if they decide they can't sign Hossa, because they probably like Holik's expiring contract for Hossa money. The Ducks are fine cap-wise (although over budget... we're not sure if they're going to stick to it this year or not).

Vancouver would probably do Marchant for Cooke. With Morrison out for 2 months, we're in need of another center. Vancouver/Anaheim could be good partners if Burke has a hard time finding a home for one of his extra dmen. Both Bertuzzi/Marchant wouldn't fit too badly into our lineup.

Yes Holik makes more. That's why Atlanta would consider it, to drop some money. This would only be if they decide they can't sign Hossa, because they probably like Holik's expiring contract for Hossa money. The Ducks are fine cap-wise (although over budget... we're not sure if they're going to stick to it this year or not).

Resigning Hossa would have no effects on this year's cap. So trading Holik and getting two guys under contract for 2008-09 would tie up more money they could spend on Hossa.

Can I just say, as a Pens fan in desperate need of D, I'd jump at O'Donnell for our 3rd rounder.

Resigning Hossa would have no effects on this year's cap. So trading Holik and getting two guys under contract for 2008-09 would tie up more money they could spend on Hossa.
Yes... that's why I said they'd only do that move if they decided the CAN'T sign Hossa. They get some players who are signed for next year, and they can trade Hossa away in a different move. You essentially repeated what I said when I said "because they probably like Holik's expiring contract for Hossa money."

As someone noted in the other thread, Atlanta made some odd moves, sending down 2 forwards in Little and Haydar. They only have 12 forwards now. Could we be sending them a forward and a defenseman?

Marchant + OD for Holik and a prospect? (Holik fills the forward spot for this year, the prospect provides some future value).

Marchant + mid pick for Perrin?

Would anyone be comfortable with trading for Hossa knowing he's a rental? Say Schneider + Moen + a forward prospect (like Carter/Milller... someone who could play in the NHL to fill up a spot if needed) for Hossa?

HELL YEAH! We need Hossa. Thats about the only way I would want to see Schnieder go.

Not only that, but Schneider said himself he understands, and I imagine the Ducks would try to accomdate him, almost to the extent of letting him veto certain deals. Plus, that is very overrated, and I doubt it would affect the Ducks. Many players mentioned how many NHLers want to play here, as they've heard good things. I doubt trading away Mathieu Schneider, when everybody knows the circumstance, will change that.

I doubt it would make an impact on the Ducks, althought I agree with Engblom's commentary that Schneider's situation should make a GM interested in him cautious to bring him onboard.

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How would Ducks look trade with Montreal?

To ANA: Koivu + Ryder (~7,7 mil. cap hit, Ryder of the books next season)

To MTL: Bertuzzi + McDonald (~7,3 mil. cap hit, both count also for next year)

Add picks/prospect to even out the deal.

Anaheim saves close to 3 millin in tagged dollars, allowing them to dress Niedermayer and get Koivu to play behind Getzlaf for at least 2 seasons (might be more, I doubt it won't be hard to persuade Koivu continue up to 2010 if the circumstances are right). Ryder can keep the spot warm for Selanne and even be traded for picks before deadline if the new baby really cries sufficiently. Also getting Koivu could well be incentive enough for Selanne to return (helping a good friend to get the ring).

From Montreal's perspective, I am not that sure. McDonald is 3 years younger than Saku, but so far he haven't looked like real #1 center. Naturally team then could try to move him or Plekanec later on for upgrade, but trade should not be based on that.

Bert is huge gamble (and I doubt Burke would like to trade him). If he could mentor Lats and play through his contract, great, but overall it does not look like move Gainey would do.

Koivu would never waive his NTC, which I assume he has.