OT Hasek vs Gaborik

I'm sure most of you have already seen this, but this play was crazy.
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270 degree rotation!

And the best part? The main board pits some of the worst whiners against each other. Minnesota fans vs Detroit fans.

I'd say it definitely deserved 2. No more.

holy ****, that was ridiculous. Definately deserved two minutes at least that was a pretty dangerous play regardless of whether he got the puck first or not.

I don't think it deserved a penalty at all. Hasek was going for the puck (and got it) and if Gaborik was even paying any attention (keeping his head up), he wouldn't have been flipped like that.

Yet another example as to why players need to keep their heads up. You'd think they'd learn.

Hasek kicked his legs out. He could have just stacked the pads, but you can see him kick the legs up. That's tripping. Barry Melrose school of hockey, if you come out of the crease, you're fair game, and that's a trip.

I don't think it deserved a penalty at all. Hasek was going for the puck (and got it) and if Gaborik was even paying any attention (keeping his head up), he wouldn't have been flipped like that.

Yet another example as to why players need to keep their heads up. You'd think they'd learn.

did you see how far out of his crease he was? That was a very dangerous play, no way does that belong in Hockey imo

He did? Didn't look like he kicked his leg out to me. Even if he did a pad stack Gaborik still would have flipped over him.

did you see how far out of his crease he was? That was a very dangerous play, no way does that belong in Hockey imo

The whole thing would have been avoided if Gaborik's head was up. Hasek is not the bad guy here, he's always played way out there. I agree, he shouldn't be so far out, but Gaborik needs to shoulder some blame for it too. He got cocky, thought he didn't need to keep his head up. If your head is down bad things are bound to happen. He's lucky he didn't get seriously injured.

head down or not, having a goalie rush you sliding on the ice isn't the same as a normal check. Dom's center of gravity was about shin high on Gaborik, not to mention the momentum of dom and all that gear.

It's not like Dom took him standing up, he got speed and purposely slid into him pads out and contact was made behind the circles thats how far out he was. The last thing a guy is thinking about on a break away is getting his feet knocked out before he gets halfway to the goal.

I respect your point of view and all, but man I don't see much of a way to justify it myself.

If a player slides and gets the puck it's no penalty.

Even if it does in this case permit a penalty i don't believe it should be. I won't debate the legality of the rules, i think goalies flying out like that is cool.

First of all, that looked awesome.

Secondly, that is a minor penalty IMO. No more than that though.

Is there a dangerous play penalty in the NHL?

To be honest I don't even know why I'm defending the hit, I don't like either team to be truthful. ;) Then again, it may have to do with the idiot Wild fans I dealt with earlier on another site about the whole thing (I hope Boogard tkaes out Jiguere!!111!)...ugh

The call could have gone either way to be honest, I just think Gaborik's head being down should have factored into the penalty call. Yeah, Hasek is crazy playing way the hell out there, and it is dangerous, but Gaborik could have skated around him, jumped over him, or even shot the puck over him into the empty net then try to avoid Dominik.

Then again hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

I think tripping was the wrong call, this is probably the right one:

Rule 49 Clipping


Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent.

A player may not deliver a check in a "clipping" manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent's knees.

An illegal "low hit" is a check that is delivered by a player who may or may not have both skates on the ice, with his sole intent to check the opponent in the area of his knees. A player may not lower his body position to deliver a check to an opponent's knees.

A player who commits these fouls will be assessed a minor penalty for "clipping". If an injury occurs as a result of this "clipping" check, the player must be assessed a major penalty and a game misconduct.

Has there even been a clipping penalty called in the NHL? I'm curious now, I see it several times a season in the NFL, but can't recall ever seeing it in the NHL.

Has there even been a clipping penalty called in the NHL? I'm curious now, I see it several times a season in the NFL, but can't recall ever seeing it in the NHL.
There has. The rule was made in 2002, because of hit by Tucker on Peca in the play-offs, so it's not been about too long.

Here's (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=260102003) a link to one. Jaroslav Spacek ('Hawks): 2 Minutes for Clipping Byron Ritchie (Flames)

did you see how far out of his crease he was? That was a very dangerous play, no way does that belong in Hockey imo

but i guess a certain someone ramming a certain someones face into the glass while charging, from behind, with his elbows does? amirite?

but i guess a certain someone ramming a certain someones face into the glass while charging, from behind, with his elbows does? amirite?

he got suspended for it bro why u still b****ing?

but i guess a certain someone ramming a certain someones face into the glass while charging, from behind, with his elbows does? amirite?

I'm wondering, do you know what a "logical fallacy" is?

And the best part? The main board pits some of the worst whiners against each other. Minnesota fans vs Detroit fans.

but i guess a certain someone ramming a certain someones face into the glass while charging, from behind, with his elbows does? amirite?

I can see the future!

yay for hasek

No slide tackles in hockey. Solly, Hasek. Though I'm surprised they called it. Goalies get away with murder.

I'm surprised Hasek or Gaborik didnt tear one of their tissue paper groins on the play.

:biglaugh::biglaugh: go dom

Dangerous play. So every time a guy is skating down the ice with the puck, he ought to be prepared to have the goalie come sliding at his legs near the circles?

I think it's such a joke how goalies can typically get away with plays like that, yet a player skates by them, they fall, and the guy gets a penalty.

Gaborik's flip was pretty sweet though, thank God he's okay, he could have landed pretty badly.

Surprised Gaborik didn't get injured on the play given his history. I half expected his leg to fall out of his socket on that play.

but i guess a certain someone ramming a certain someones face into the glass while charging, from behind, with his elbows does? amirite?

Let's see if I can put this in vernacular you'd understand (based on your post)...

urawhiner

And what the hell does that have to do with this topic? It might be remotely topical if the game was against the Ducks, but even then it would be a stretch.

did you see how far out of his crease he was? That was a very dangerous play, no way does that belong in Hockey imo

I COMPLETELY AGREE !

head down or not, having a goalie rush you sliding on the ice isn't the same as a normal check. Dom's center of gravity was about shin high on Gaborik, not to mention the momentum of dom and all that gear.

It's not like Dom took him standing up, he got speed and purposely slid into him pads out and contact was made behind the circles thats how far out he was. The last thing a guy is thinking about on a break away is getting his feet knocked out before he gets halfway to the goal.

I respect your point of view and all, but man I don't see much of a way to justify it myself.

completely agree

Dangerous play. So every time a guy is skating down the ice with the puck, he ought to be prepared to have the goalie come sliding at his legs near the circles?

I think it's such a joke how goalies can typically get away with plays like that, yet a player skates by them, they fall, and the guy gets a penalty.

Gaborik's flip was pretty sweet though, thank God he's okay, he could have landed pretty badly.

completely agree , KEEP THE GOALIES IN THE NETS . and agree on the goalie interference calls being a joke .

I COMPLETELY AGREE !

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I agree with your agree!

I agree with your other agrees too.

i completely agree

Dangerous play. So every time a guy is skating down the ice with the puck, he ought to be prepared to have the goalie come sliding at his legs near the circles?


He really ought to be prepared when it's Hasek since he's done that dozens of times over the course of his career.

He really ought to be prepared when it's Hasek since he's done that dozens of times over the course of his career.
To be a jerk and provide a wildly inflammatory and pointless parallel:

Holmstrom really ought to be prepared when it's Pronger since he's elbowed people dozens of times over the course of his career.

To be a jerk and provide a wildly inflammatory and pointless parallel:

Holmstrom really ought to be prepared when it's Pronger since he's elbowed people dozens of times over the course of his career.

I'm fairly confident Holmstrom and the rest of the veterans who've battled against him in the playoffs aren't surprised when Pronger does stuff like that. Just like other players who have played and seen Hasek play have seen this act and should know it's in his bag of tricks.

Well then Holmstrom obviously deserved what he received for not paying attention. Just like Gaborik obviously deserved what he received for not paying attention.

He really ought to be prepared when it's Hasek since he's done that dozens of times over the course of his career.

That doesn't make it okay for Hasek to pull that crap though.

Is there a dangerous play penalty in the NHL?

Yeah... you get a yellow card, right?

Yeah... you get a yellow card, right?

actually i think they throw an orange flag on the ice.

To be honest I don't even know why I'm defending the hit, I don't like either team to be truthful. ;) Then again, it may have to do with the idiot Wild fans I dealt with earlier on another site about the whole thing (I hope Boogard tkaes out Jiguere!!111!)...ugh

The call could have gone either way to be honest, I just think Gaborik's head being down should have factored into the penalty call. Yeah, Hasek is crazy playing way the hell out there, and it is dangerous, but Gaborik could have skated around him, jumped over him, or even shot the puck over him into the empty net then try to avoid Dominik.

Then again hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

Gaborik had three strides. During which time every player says oh s**t I have a break away!!! Then he looked up to see how to beat the Goalie in this case there was prolly another oh s**t moment. Gaborik did react to avoid the hit and that was to leave the ice and go over.

There is no way there was time to avoid that hit. No Way!

If the ducks had pulled that, jiggy would have a 10 game suspension and they'd throw pronger out of the game just for good measure.

Gaborik had three strides. During which time every player says oh s**t I have a break away!!! Then he looked up to see how to beat the Goalie in this case there was prolly another oh s**t moment. Gaborik did react to avoid the hit and that was to leave the ice and go over.

There is no way there was time to avoid that hit. No Way!

Yes there was. There was enough time for him to avoid it, I've seen plenty of guys who get a pass look down at first, then look straight up to see if there's any defensemen coming at him almost right away. Gaborik should have looked up anyways, even if he thought he had a breakaway, because who knows if a defenseman would come out of nowhere to nail him. Perhaps he reacted as best he could considering his head was down, but he could have had enough time to jump over Hasek if it wasn't. But like I said, hindsight is 20/20, and everything has been said and done and no one got seriously hurt.

I woulda loved to see Hasek forego with the flop-n-stop and instead plant his shoulder into Gaborik's chin and layed his out Czech-roller-hockey style for skating with his head down. That woulda been awesome, although somehow I think an actual goalie throwing a body check would be considered illegal or something.

P.S: bullocks is a troll who annoys me to no end, and I'm a Wings fan. I really wish he'd go root for the Leafs. He's about as smart as their fans are.

I woulda loved to see Hasek forego with the flop-n-stop and instead plant his shoulder into Gaborik's chin and layed his out Czech-roller-hockey style for skating with his head down. That woulda been awesome, although somehow I think an actual goalie throwing a body check would be considered illegal or something.

P.S: bullocks is a troll who annoys me to no end, and I'm a Wings fan. I really wish he'd go root for the Leafs. He's about as smart as their fans are.

Seriously, you're the best Wings fan I've seen. :handclap:

I don't think it deserved a penalty at all. Hasek was going for the puck (and got it) and if Gaborik was even paying any attention (keeping his head up), he wouldn't have been flipped like that.

Yet another example as to why players need to keep their heads up. You'd think they'd learn.

Easy to say for a bunch of fat middle aged guys on a message board like us.

I mean, I'm sure when you scored your 40 goals in a season, you had a plenty of breakaways and you always kept your head up, but these guys today just don't have all the skills you did either...right? ;)

Dangerous play. So every time a guy is skating down the ice with the puck, he ought to be prepared to have the goalie come sliding at his legs near the circles?

I think it's such a joke how goalies can typically get away with plays like that, yet a player skates by them, they fall, and the guy gets a penalty.

Gaborik's flip was pretty sweet though, thank God he's okay, he could have landed pretty badly.Perfectly stated... 2 minutes was good enough.

Your friendly whining idiot Minnesota fan;)

Easy to say for a bunch of fat middle aged guys on a message board like us.

I mean, I'm sure when you scored your 40 goals in a season, you had a plenty of breakaways and you always kept your head up, but these guys today just don't have all the skills you did either...right? ;)

I agree. A lot of players put their head down to make sure they have the puck properly on the blade after receiving the pass. In fact, that's one of the key times for an opposing player to try to lay a hit, and they do attempt to do just that.

I don't like what Hasek did at all. The 2 minute call was fine for me. Hasek lead with his legs, and caught Gaborik at the knees. It was a penalty, and I don't see any other way to interpret it. I'm glad Gaborik is okay (yes, despite not like Minnesota at all) and he's lucky.

Who Cares!!!!

Easy to say for a bunch of fat middle aged guys on a message board like us.

I mean, I'm sure when you scored your 40 goals in a season, you had a plenty of breakaways and you always kept your head up, but these guys today just don't have all the skills you did either...right? ;)

:rolleyes:

I said that because there's been SEVERAL instances of players getting hit with their heads down (Eric Lindros for one, who ended up getting several concussions). I would like to think that other players see things like that, and think "hey, maybe I shouldn't keep my head down!" Which is why I'm so down on Gaborik.

But hey, I have no right to criticize, I never played in the NHL. :sarcasm:

:rolleyes:
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But hey, I have no right to criticize, I never played in the NHL. :sarcasm:

If you think that collision was avoidable it makes me wonder if you've ever been on skates.

Zing!

I dislike it when fans say 'he should have kept his head up'. Sure it's a good rule, just like looking both ways before crossing the street. But it's not as easy as you might think, even for the pros.

Gaborik is a smart player, positionally aware. He knew he was behind the defense there. Heck anyone watching the game could see he was. So in his mind, all he had left to do was:

1) Accelerate to make space between him and the defense behind him while
2) Corralling the puck, making it sit so he could get a scoring chance

He did both of these in 3 strides. You're not going to expect Shawn Merriman to come and clip you at the top of the circles, much less avoid it in time. On skates.

I woulda loved to see Hasek forego with the flop-n-stop and instead plant his shoulder into Gaborik's chin and layed his out Czech-roller-hockey style for skating with his head down.

If by roller hockey style you mean something like this.....



Detroit Red Wings goaltender Dominik Hasek could still face a trial in his native Czech Republic over an alleged fight during an in-line roller hockey game earlier this year.
In August, the district attorney in Hasek's hometown of Pardubice chose not to press criminal charges against him over the incident, in which an opposing player was knocked unconscious.

The Pardubice attorney instead decided to treat it as a misdemeanour, but the news agency CTK reported on Thursday that the supreme Czech state attorney Marie Benesova nixed the decision and ordered the case to be re-examined.

Hasek allegedly broke the other player's nose, and knocked him unconscious after hitting him repeatedly with his hockey stick during a game in a Czech in-line hockey league in May.

The player was hospitalized for two days.



Then I would have to disagree and not liked to have seen it. I dislike Hasek greatly.

Of course I don't want him to go all Simon or McSorely. You are reading far too much into what was intended to be a humorous comment.