Anybody else tired of our 4th line ??

I know that renney likes betts, hollweg and orr, but I personally do not see them providing any spark for the team like they did last year. I know that they have almost a new style checking role on the team, but they sure as hell can't score for us and that isnt good. hollweg and orr have literally zero offensive ability and betts is marginal. Are you telling me there arent better 4th liners out there or in hartford that can put in the odd goal and do a better job providing a spark?

What do you guys think?

i think they were doing a good job as a shut down line for a few weeks. but as of late they've just been typical 4th line

They are the least of our problems. (Though i'd rather them not play against the other teams top line so often)

I know that renney likes betts, hollweg and orr, but I personally do not see them providing any spark for the team like they did last year. I know that they have almost a new style checking role on the team, but they sure as hell can't score for us and that isnt good. hollweg and orr have literally zero offensive ability and betts is marginal. Are you telling me there arent better 4th liners out there or in hartford that can put in the odd goal and do a better job providing a spark?

What do you guys think?

I agree, the Rangers would be undefeated with a good fourth line. And they should trade Lundquist because he is terrible too! Vally is much better.

:sarcasm::shakehead

I agree, the Rangers would be undefeated with a good fourth line. And they should trade Lundquist because he is terrible too! Vally is much better.

:sarcasm::shakehead

id rather give some youth on the 4th line guys next year like korpikoski, Byers, Moore, Dupont, Pyatt would add more scoring that is for sure.

id rather give some youth on the 4th line guys next year like korpikoski, Byers, Moore, Dupont, Pyatt would add more scoring that is for sure.

Like FLY said, the fourth line is the least of their problems. The line was arguably their best line a couple of games ago and yet because they don't score, they're a liability. I disagree. They can play defense, they play a smart simple game and they also provide toughness for this team.

I agree, the Rangers would be undefeated with a good fourth line. And they should trade Lundquist because he is terrible too! Vally is much better.

:sarcasm::shakehead

I'm sorry........where did I say anything close to that? Chime in when you have something relevant to add.

id rather give some youth on the 4th line guys next year like korpikoski, Byers, Moore, Dupont, Pyatt would add more scoring that is for sure.

why to make up for the lack of heart our fearless captain has? if anything i would bench jagr in a big way cause he skating around like a girl who has lost her puppy dog!!(neilander) i so effin pissed right now i don't even know if spelled his name right! this team is playing without no heart right now, can't wait for avery!:rant:

why to make up for the lack of heart our fearless captain has? if anything i would bench jagr in a big way cause he skating around like a girl who has lost her puppy dog!!(neilander) i so effin pissed right now i don't even know if spelled his name right! this team is playing without no heart right now, can't wait for avery!:rant:

i wish we had another player like Avery :yo:

Problem isnt the 4th line.

Like others have said, the 4th line isn't even close to one of the problems of the team..Yeah, I would like them to hit more but Renney obviously doesn't...That should change...A bigger prblem is that our 3rd line, with ineffective players like Prucha and Callahan, is also a 4th line right now...

The 4th line? The 4th line? with our problems right now, your worried about the 4th line? They arent a concern AT ALL. At least they do their job.

We need to see threads like:

"Anybody else tired of our 1st line ??"
"Anybody else tired of our 2nd line ??"
"Anybody else tired of our 3rd line ??"

before we start threads called "Anybody else tired of our 4th line ??".

Like others have said, the 4th line isn't even close to one of the problems of the team..Yeah, I would like them to hit more but Renney obviously doesn't...That should change...A bigger prblem is that our 3rd line, with ineffective players like Prucha and Callahan, is also a 4th line right now...

well dubinski played like a real green rook tonight, indecisive on the 3rd goal when holik went for the for the puck he needs to step up or poke check it. he is not a 1st line ctr. by any stretch but that effin whinning jagr can't play with anybody else because he's a freakin cry baby! if he wanted his buddy to stay so bad instead of trying to get a 4 year deal instead the 2 year "alleged" offer from the rangers he should expressed that to him instead of going to the caps with no shot at winning the cup! we should send him back to washinton so they can be "reunited" in their mutual affection for eachother!

Problem isnt the 4th line.

Exactly. But to answer the question, yes I am tired of seeing the 4th line, not because of what they are or aren't doing. But for the fact that it seems to be the only line with a consistent effort night in and night out. I'm sure Renney sees the energy they produce and thats why he uses them as much as he has been. My issue though is why can't one of the other three get some momentum going?!?! I will say though the line of Prucha-Drury-Cally has been looking better and better. The second line also has flashes but they need to gain some consistency. As for the first line, well....:help: Ideally I would like to see the fourth line being used to shut down some of the other teams top guys and sustain the energy the other lines create. Not be responsible to create the all the energy for the team.

I'm sorry........where did I say anything close to that? Chime in when you have something relevant to add.

Don't worry, people do this constantly. I made a thread about Lundqvist not playing well in the past 5 or so games and I get "OMGGZz heS so BBADD leTS GET RID OF HIM:sarcasm:".

But, the 4th line is probably the only 3 guys besides a couple of the young defensemen that are even putting out an effort right now, so thats not the problem.

The problem with the 4th line is that they are not even a hypothetical offensive threat when they are on the ice--so if they play 10 minutes a game as they often do--that leaves 50 minutes for us to do our scoring in and it means the other teams defense on the whole can relax. It may not be quite as big a problem as the lack of chemistry of the top 3 lines but their overall play with the ice time they've been getting is not going to help us solve our problems. If I were to target one who is not doing his job as well as in the past it's Hollweg--who though not connecting nearly as much with his hitting is at least not taking dumb penalties. There are tradeoffs I suppose but he's not all that effective a player. Well there are others--Jagr, Drury, Hossa, Prucha, Callahan--the usual suspects. It may be time for the Rangers to scrap the Dubinsky-Jagr experiment--maybe put Straka in the middle and Drury on the wing. Move Dubinsky down to the third with Callahan and Prucha.

the 4th line actually goes out there and does its job. orr gets into a fight against belak... crowd got back into it and we scored 2 goals. the problem imo is the 3rd line. they have been dead all season long, outside of jagr, shanny and the d there is no scoring on this team. i would rather have nigel dawes on my team than callahan, prucha and hossa.

I was tired of them about a month ago. In the last 3-4 weeks they've been outstanding in my opinion. I ate my words recently because of how well Hollweg, Orr, and Betts have played. They've been pretty consistent this season. It's the top 9 that's having trouble maintaining their gameplan consistently.

I'm a little tired of Renney matching our 4th line with other teams 1st lines. In the garden, with the 2nd change he does it all the time. Most 1st lines in the NHL are too fast to have Orr on the ice. Overall I'm impressed with the way Orr has played but I really think we need to start matching Drury against 1st lines exp. when its a D-zone faceoff. And no, the 4th line isnt the reason we are losing but when they cant get the puck out of the zone it puts pressure on our D which hurts us as games go on.

I'm a little tired of Renney matching our 4th line with other teams 1st lines. In the garden, with the 2nd change he does it all the time. Most 1st lines in the NHL are too fast to have Orr on the ice. Overall I'm impressed with the way Orr has played but I really think we need to start matching Drury against 1st lines exp. when its a D-zone faceoff. And no, the 4th line isnt the reason we are losing but when they cant get the puck out of the zone it puts pressure on our D which hurts us as games go on.

But, for thje most part, it's worked....And then this allows the other lines to not spend energy on defense and should be ready to score...But the other three lines haven't been doing their job...

The problem with the 4th line is that they are not even a hypothetical offensive threat when they are on the ice--so if they play 10 minutes a game as they often do--that leaves 50 minutes for us to do our scoring in and it means the other teams defense on the whole can relax. .

Which is a great strategy as long as the other teams top lines don't score on them, and they really haven't been....Our other top three lines then should have more energy and advantageous line match-up that allows them to score...But all tree lines have sucked..Until last night, our 3rd line was as ino-threatening as the 4th line...That's the problem...Along with the problems of the first two lines...

Which is a great strategy as long as the other teams top lines don't score on them, and they really haven't been....Our other top three lines then should have more energy and advantageous line match-up that allows them to score...But all tree lines have sucked..Until last night, our 3rd line was as ino-threatening as the 4th line...That's the problem...Along with the problems of the first two lines...

Well the team misses Avery. We can almost count on at least one of our scoring lines doing something when he's in the lineup. There are a number of problems that I see up front. Beyond chemistry there are too many smaller players. Too many limited players--those who can't play in certain situations. This team never stretches out the other teams defense. We hardly ever see breakaways because the forwards our always back until we regain control of the puck--not necessarily a bad thing--but just once in a while have someone sneak behind the other teams defense to keep them honest. It seems to me we're a little too predictable.

ARe really trying to be funny with this post? They have out played every line on the team the last 2 weeks,

If the first line played with as much intensity as even the third and fourth, they would be scoring every damn shift.