Can Janssen get back in the lineup?

Anyone else think this injury might have cost him a spot on our current roster? I mean, what role could he play on this team anymore? Asham and Clarkson may not be in the same class as Janssen when it come to pure fighting, but both of those guys and drop the gloves when needed, deliver big hits, and play a few minutes of power play time. If Mike Rupp can't play on this team I don't know how Cam Janssen can.

Anyone else think this injury might have cost him a spot on our current roster? I mean, what role could he play on this team anymore? Asham and Clarkson may not be in the same class as Janssen when it come to pure fighting, but both of those guys and drop the gloves when needed, deliver big hits, and play a few minutes of power play time. If Mike Rupp can't play on this team I don't know how Cam Janssen can.I dont know your roster that well but I hope he takes a spot fron Clarkson just because he is the first home grown and trained STL kid to make the NHL. For that reason alone I am rooting for the kid.

Anyone else think this injury might have cost him a spot on our current roster? I mean, what role could he play on this team anymore? Asham and Clarkson may not be in the same class as Janssen when it come to pure fighting, but both of those guys and drop the gloves when needed, deliver big hits, and play a few minutes of power play time. If Mike Rupp can't play on this team I don't know how Cam Janssen can.

Very, very situationally.

But not on a team with 11 forwards, because he's going to have to take shifts.

I love Janssen, but I agree, there really isn't a spot for him, unless someone gets hurt, in which case Sutter would probably use seven defensemen, unless he wants to try Janssen on defense in place of someone else*Oduya*. But I disagree, about the comparison between him and Rupp, Janssen, IMO, is a better skater and fighter then Rupp. His offense needs a lot of improvement, though, before he would really be helpful.

Not going to happen from what I have been hearing and was told by some of the trainers and staff. Janssen will be playing in Lowell. I have seen him and talked to Cam almost everyday the last past week or so as he has been doing his rehab @ the Rock. It would have to take a few injuries by other players (God Forbid) for Cam to be in the Devils line up.

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I dont know your roster that well but I hope he takes a spot fron Clarkson just because he is the first home grown and trained STL kid to make the NHL. For that reason alone I am rooting for the kid.
Janssen to the Blues for a 5th rounder?

I love the energy Cam brings to the ice every night, but he just doesn't have the skill to knock anyone else out of the lineup.

Our 4th line is way too good to ruin with his lack of skill/hockey sense.

Our 4th line is way too good to ruin with his lack of skill/hockey sense.

i think janssen played really cautious last year, not saying there is untapped offensive potential but he treated teh puck like a hot potatoe i think he can do more offensively if given the confidence

Very doubtful.

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Janssen to the Blues for a 5th rounder?

I love the energy Cam brings to the ice every night, but he just doesn't have the skill to knock anyone else out of the lineup.

If he comes off of the IR and starts in Lowell, is he subject to waivers if he is called up?

I think that there is a place for Cam Janssen in the lineup on occasion.

I think that there is a place for Cam Janssen in the lineup on occasion.

Against the Rangers when Avery is on the ice.

I love cam but its not going to happen, other than rupp (who hasnt done anything to actually hurt the team) the team is too good and sound defensevily for him to grab a spot.

We now can actually roll four lines with Asham Brylin playing solid and I think Clarkson and Asaham can throw em just as well.

i do have to admit though his hitting when he is on can be downright devestating.....who know she may get acouple of games against the rangers or Philly every know and again.

i dont think some time down in Lowell would hurt him, he can maybe improve and increase his value.

I think that there is a place for Cam Janssen in the lineup on occasion.



Possibly vs. teams like the NYR, Flyers and Mapleleafs. Other than that he is useless on the ice vs. the more faster and skilled teams in the league.

I think that there is a place for Cam Janssen in the lineup on occasion.

Yes. Im pretty sure he has a one-way contract so yeah he would be subject to waivers.

Not going to happen from what I have been hearing and was told by some of the trainers and staff. Janssen will be playing in Lowell. I have seen him and talked to Cam almost everyday the last past week or so as he has been doing his rehab @ the Rock. It would have to take a few injuries by other players (God Forbid) for Cam to be in the Devils line up.

Cause of course the Devils disclose their team info to you but no one else or the media...:shakehead

No chance in hell, don't want him back either.

the only player Janssen would replace is Rupp, but whenever we have a injury we play with 7 D. I cant see him back when we have a healthy team.

No. Asham is a better fighter then Janssen. Vishnevski can hit much better then him. And we don't need anyone to waste our space on our team. Janssen was a good player when we had cap problems, but we don't have any cap problems anymore so just send him right to the AHL and keep him with Oduya there.

No. Asham is a better fighter then Janssen. Vishnevski can hit much better then him. And we don't need anyone to waste our space on our team. Janssen was a good player when we had cap problems, but we don't have any cap problems anymore so just send him right to the AHL and keep him with Oduya there.

Totally agree. We can add Rupp to the list to boot.

No. Asham is a better fighter then Janssen. Vishnevski can hit much better then him. And we don't need anyone to waste our space on our team. Janssen was a good player when we had cap problems, but we don't have any cap problems anymore so just send him right to the AHL and keep him with Oduya there.

Clueless.

No chance in hell, don't want him back either.

Im as big a Devils fan as they come. But comments like this is what makes me hate Devils fans sometimes.

No. Asham is a better fighter then Janssen. Vishnevski can hit much better then him. And we don't need anyone to waste our space on our team. Janssen was a good player when we had cap problems, but we don't have any cap problems anymore so just send him right to the AHL and keep him with Oduya there.




I would argue that Janssen is a better or at least a more willin hitter than Vishnevski!

Im as big a Devils fan as they come. But comments like this is what makes me hate Devils fans sometimes.

I just want to say that I think the team we have now is very good and I like Pelley, Asham and Clarkson and don't think they should go anywhere. However I love watching Cam play and I hope he does every once in a while.

I don't mind watching Cam play once in a blue moon, but who would you pull out for him? Everyone else on the team has worked hard to be in their current spots and have done really well for the team.

I don't mind watching Cam play once in a blue moon, but who would you pull out for him? Everyone else on the team has worked hard to be in their current spots and have done really well for the team.

That's a good question. Well Asham hasn't fought in a while and seems to have trouble finishing so maybe him?

I don't mind watching Cam play once in a blue moon, but who would you pull out for him?

Oduya.

Wouldn't mind seeing at least in a game or two the line of Asham-Pelley-Janssen. Maybe up against the Flyers and Rangers. Sutter can give Sarge a rest.

Oduya.

Thing is we have 2 extra people already plus Cam.

Even if Oduya and someone else sits we'll still have to pull one more person.

I just want to say that I think the team we have now is very good and I like Pelley, Asham and Clarkson and don't think they should go anywhere. However I love watching Cam play and I hope he does every once in a while.

One of our goals this offseason was to create better depth by making the 4th line a threat to score. If we put Cam back in the lineup, he destroys that immediately.

Against the Rangers when Avery is on the ice.

No offense, but the Rangers would love for Cam to be out against our 2nd line. It would make scoring a lot easier.

I don't want any of our foward lines touched.

I don't want any of our foward lines touched.

Great avatar. :handclap:

Janssen's role on this team has been taken. He has value as a fourth liner, but only on a team which isn't player the fourth line seriously. We're going with 11 forwards a lot of the time anyway and Janssen isn't capable of taking enough icetime to be worthwhile.

Jon is right, too, if we put Janssen on the ice against the Avery-Gomez-Shanahan unit we'd get eaten alive.

If Cam gets any ice time this year, you better believe he'd be much better than the last two-ish years. Sutter won't give him the time otherwise.

Janssen averaged 0.42 hits per Even Strength TOI last season to lead the Devils. Mike Rupp leads the team with 0.20 Hits per ES TOI this year, and David Clarkson is second with 0.18.

Cam Janssen certainly has something to offer the team.



Janssen's role on this team has been taken. He has value as a fourth liner, but only on a team which isn't player the fourth line seriously. We're going with 11 forwards a lot of the time anyway and Janssen isn't capable of taking enough icetime to be worthwhile.What happens when the Devils dress seven defensemen? The fourth line is a two-man operation, and other forwards get a few extra shifts here and there. A similar thing can be done by dressing twelve forward and simply using Langenbrunner, Clarkson and Gionta from time to time with Pelley and Asham.

Jon is right, too, if we put Janssen on the ice against the Avery-Gomez-Shanahan unit we'd get eaten alive.I don't think the idea is for Janssen to be out there with Shanahan unless Cam is going to jump Avery as the puck is dropped.

Wouldn't mind seeing at least in a game or two the line of Asham-Pelley-Janssen. Maybe up against the Flyers and Rangers. Sutter can give Sarge a rest.

on the nose, I have nothing else to add cause you said it all!!!

Janssen averaged 0.42 hits per Even Strength TOI last season to lead the Devils. Mike Rupp leads the team with 0.20 Hits per ES TOI this year, and David Clarkson is second with 0.18.



That doesn't surprise me. When he's out on the ice, Janssen runs around looking to hit people. Which isn't always the best thing to do. I certainly don't want him a regular in the lineup.

Thing is we have 2 extra people already plus Cam.

Even if Oduya and someone else sits we'll still have to pull one more person.

You know what I sould move to see, scratch Otoola and teach cam to be a deman, a dano liek figure but will just hit anything that moves in front of the net yet his postioning to me is his biggest problem and he can skate and he has a shot and not the worst hand9I use that lightly) but he is never where he should be.

He can take punishment with the best of em, he takes hits and usually the person hitting him goes down but if we gave him five minutes a night he certainly makes the best of them, I just think he need to work with Johnny mac about where to be... I have never seen Cam set up infront of the net Im sure he could be a lot more effective in a role the Rupp plays. Rupp sets in front of the net with the best of them, but as a strenght and conditioning coach I can see how strong Cam really is. If he was ever utilized liek this and shown proper placemnet in front of the net along with the art of deflections from Gio he could really create hell for some goalies and defense men alike.

But as of know that seems like a pipe-dream but barring injuries I cant see him getting back into the lineup

You know what I sould move to see, scratch Otoola and teach cam to be a deman, a dano liek figure but will just hit anything that moves in front of the net yet his postioning to me is his biggest problem and he can skate and he has a shot and not the worst hand9I use that lightly) but he is never where he should be.


You know its funny but I thought the exact same thing yesterday. I think Cam would make a great D-man if he can clear the puck. He's got the exact speed that Sutter is looking for, if he can be responsible with the puck and just get it out of the zone, then we've got a real strong Defensive D we've been talking about. They need to give that a shot. Cam is a great skater and this would match his talents better.

I don't think the idea is for Janssen to be out there with Shanahan unless Cam is going to jump Avery as the puck is dropped.

And I'm sure that the Rangers would love a 5 minute powerplay and Avery would laugh all the way back to the bench if Cam "jumped" him.

And I'm sure that the Rangers would love a 5 minute powerplay and Avery would laugh all the way back to the bench if Cam "jumped" him.

Thats because avery is a woman

And I'm sure that the Rangers would love a 5 minute powerplay and Avery would laugh all the way back to the bench if Cam "jumped" him.

Ya, Avery would be laughing all the way to the ambulance. We all know Avery wouldn't get a major for fighting because he'll only fight if Zach Parise is on the ice.

Jon is right, too, if we put Janssen on the ice against the Avery-Gomez-Shanahan unit we'd get eaten alive.

I still cant believe they have Avery with Gomer and Shanny. If that team were coached properly they'd probably be 18-9 instead of 15-12.

I still cant believe they have Avery with Gomer and Shanny. If that team were coached properly they'd probably be 18-9 instead of 15-12.

Maybe you should look at the team record when Avery is in the line-up.

You look very, very ignorant right now, BG. Very ignorant.

Ya, Avery would be laughing all the way to the ambulance. We all know Avery wouldn't get a major for fighting because he'll only fight if Zach Parise is on the ice.

I must've missed when Cam became an American Gladiator or something. Highly doubt he'd do any damage to Avery even if Avery turtled.

Cam would probably just throw out his shoulder again, if anything. ;)

I still cant believe they have Avery with Gomer and Shanny. If that team were coached properly they'd probably be 18-9 instead of 15-12.

The Rangers are the Rangers. Nothing is gonna change with them. Its just non stop talk with absolutely NO action every year.

Some of the people in this thread really don't have a clue about hockey honestly.

I can't even respond to some of the idiotic things I've read from people in here. Stupid quotes like Asham is a better fighter(False), Vishnevski is a better hitter(False and has nothin to do with Janssen), the 4th line is out there to be a scoring threat(are u kidding me), etc. Does anyone in here have a clue, dead serious does anyone?

Someone in here said their goal in the off-season was to have a 4th line that could score...Absolutely wrong. Their goal this off-season was to get bigger, stronger, and tougher which they did as well as be able to roll 4 lines.

Bottom line for all the clueless people on this site is Cam Janssen in a role of playing every now and then or even as a regular player makes the Devils a better team all-around. The energy alone that he brings to the team when he has his typical wrecking ball shifts makes him a huge asset to the team.

I never realized how many fans truly like this terrible New NHL. The league has turned to a very soft league and players like Cam are exactly who is needed to keep this league from turning into womens field hockey.

I must've missed when Cam became an American Gladiator or something. Highly doubt he'd do any damage to Avery even if Avery turtled.

Cam would probably just throw out his shoulder again, if anything. ;)

Nobody can be as tough as the Rags, did you see how they stood up to Ottawa on Saturday? It was unbelieveable. Neil was running around like a chicken with his head cut off checking everyone in sight, shoving and swinging at the Rags after every whistle, McGrattan was basically beginning Orr to fight and in the mean time taking non-stop runs at Rags players ever shift. And then you know what the Rags did!!!!... oh wait they did nothing at all and just took it.

Nobody can be as tough as the Rags, did you see how they stood up to Ottawa on Saturday? It was unbelieveable. Neil was running around like a chicken with his head cut off checking everyone in sight, shoving and swinging at the Rags after every whistle, McGrattan was basically beginning Orr to fight and in the mean time taking non-stop runs at Rags players ever shift. And then you know what the Rags did!!!!... oh wait they did nothing at all and just took it.

Wait, who won that game again? I forgot.

the only time that i would even consider dressing cam would be against the flyers to try to give downie and all those dbags a taste of their own medicine and tell him to just try to take runs at all phillys guys and see how they like it.

You know its funny but I thought the exact same thing yesterday. I think Cam would make a great D-man if he can clear the puck. He's got the exact speed that Sutter is looking for, if he can be responsible with the puck and just get it out of the zone, then we've got a real strong Defensive D we've been talking about. They need to give that a shot. Cam is a great skater and this would match his talents better.

Cam has zero stickhandling ability. He would bobble the puck in front of our net way too much.

I mean, I guess it couldn't hurt to try to convert him to a dman in the AHL and letting him know that the only way he makes the NHL again is to improve his skills.

Wait, who won that game again? I forgot.

I guess some prefer intimidation to winning games. Not me, personally.

For at least one game against Hollweg, Avery and Orr I would love to have Janssen, Brookbank, Asham and Clarkson in the line-up. They may not be heavyweights, but what an excellent group of middleweights. Although, we may have to squeeze in Rupp to take on Orr. Nothing wrong with a little old time hockey.

And I'm sure that the Rangers would love a 5 minute powerplay and Avery would laugh all the way back to the bench if Cam "jumped" him.Thats because avery is a womanI think Avery is out right now with a limp wrist.

I am also sure that if Janssen did jump Avery that Avery wouldn't be laughing his way to the bench. Avery, as he is inclined to do, would simply turtle. It is just a question of how much damage Janssen could do before the linesmen could pry him off of Avery.

I think Avery is out right now with a limp wrist.

I am also sure that if Janssen did jump Avery that Avery wouldn't be laughing his way to the bench. Avery, as he is inclined to do, would simply turtle. It is just a question of how much damage Janssen could do before the linesmen could pry him off of Avery.

Avery was pummeled by Hordichuk when he was jumped (he actually was legitimately jumped, also, not just avoiding a fight) and he skated away fine.

Hordichuk, IMO, is a better fighter than Janssen.

Janssen wouldn't do a thing to Avery outside of giving Avery what he wants -- a powerplay for his team.

I guess some prefer intimidation to winning games. Not me, personally.

This coming from the guy who thinks they should convert Cam Janssen into a D-man. I mean I have never read so much garbage in my life than I have on this website. (No offense to the rare fans on here who know have a clue).

Theres absolutely no way that most of the people in here have played hockey at a high level themselves or truly watch the games and understand what is going on.

Cam Janssen brings one thing to the table that the rest of the team does not have: the ability to really crush someone with a big hit.

Is that worth having him in the lineup? The way suspensions and penalties are being handed out right now, I have to say no.

Avery was pummeled by Hordichuk when he was jumped (he actually was legitimately jumped, also, not just avoiding a fight) and he skated away fine.

Hordichuk, IMO, is a better fighter than Janssen.

Janssen wouldn't do a thing to Avery outside of giving Avery what he wants -- a powerplay for his team.

Avery was jumped after repeatedly denying request after request to fight like a man and then totally turtled when he was attacked by Hordichuk. Why would Janssen even bother with Avery, the guy is completely harmeless. Just runs his mouth and never backs it up.

This coming from the guy who thinks they should convert Cam Janssen into a D-man. I mean I have never read so much garbage in my life than I have on this website. (No offense to the rare fans on here who know have a clue).

Theres absolutely no way that most of the people in here have played hockey at a high level themselves or truly watch the games and understand what is going on.

yet you're a fan of Janssen, so what do YOU really know about hockey?? Fighting is fine, but there were days where the fighters had skills to play hockey, I'm a fan of hockey, but I'm not a fan of a guy who's there just for that, you're taking ice time away from the real players. Asham, Clarkson and Brookbank are all fine if things get testy, don't need/want a guy like Cam Janssen, as entertaining as he may be.

Cam Janssen brings one thing to the table that the rest of the team does not have: the ability to really crush someone with a big hit.

Is that worth having him in the lineup? The way suspensions and penalties are being handed out right now, I have to say no.

How about being an enforcer, being able to take on the toughest guys in the league if necessary, throwing huge legal hits to keep opposing players nervous about handling the puck, especially D-men, and bring that much needed energy when the Devils are down and not playing well.

You may not think he brings anything to the team, but Lou and Brent Sutter do and thats all that matters.

yet you're a fan of Janssen, so what do YOU really know about hockey?? Fighting is fine, but there were days where the fighters had skills to play hockey, I'm a fan of hockey, but I'm not a fan of a guy who's there just for that, you're taking ice time away from the real players. Asham, Clarkson and Brookbank are all fine if things get testy, don't need/want a guy like Cam Janssen, as entertaining as he may be.

Wrong I'm a fan of Janssen and guys like him. Who play the game balls to the wall every shift and are willing to do anything in their ability to help the team win. Guys who throw big hits and play hard-nosed no matter what. Guys who are entertaining and keep you on the edge of your seat every time they're on the ice.

You obviously like the way the NHL is goin trying to promote scoring and stop fighting and the rough stuff. How is that working out?? In case you didnt hear the NHL is doing worse than ever.

Its something that is severly lacking in the new NHL and people like you are why hockey is becoming weaker and weaker every year.

How about being an enforcer, being able to take on the toughest guys in the league if necessary, throwing huge legal hits to keep opposing players nervous about handling the puck, especially D-men, and bring that much needed energy when the Devils are down and not playing well.

You may not think he brings anything to the team, but Lou and Brent Sutter do and thats all that matters.
Brings nothing to the table? I didn't say that. But every player on the Devils, at the moment, has the ability to contribute offense. Cam Janssen does not. Janssen contributes fighting, which can be done just as well by Asham or Clarkson, and he contributes really hard checks, something which I grant you the rest of the team does not have at the moment. But bringing him into the lineup means that you have to 1) scratch someone else, and who are you going to scratch when you're already running with 11 forwards, and 2) sacrifice what is more or less a constant threat of offense in exchange for Janssen's game. Look, I like Janssen, but he just doesn't bring a complete enough game to the table. He needs to go spend some time in the AHL working on his defense and shooting if he's going to be a fourth-line player. Right now he's Tie Domi without any of Domi's admittedly meager offensive skills.

How about being an enforcer, being able to take on the toughest guys in the league if necessary, throwing huge legal hits to keep opposing players nervous about handling the puck, especially D-men, and bring that much needed energy when the Devils are down and not playing well.

You may not think he brings anything to the team, but Lou and Brent Sutter do and thats all that matters.

Oh Lou and Brent do, do they? Did they send you a private message telling you that? Or did it come to you in a vision?

Being able to take on the toughest guys.......Clarkson, Asham or Brookbank......check.

Throwing huge legal hits to keep stick handling forwards alert: Clarkson, Brookbank, White, Vishnevski......check

Bring that much needed energy when the Devils aren't playing well.......Parise, Madden, Gionta, Asham, Clarkson, Langenbrunner.....check.

We have enough players to do all the things you listed. Janssen is a boneheaded Minor Leaguer.

Wrong I'm a fan of Janssen and guys like him. Who play the game balls to the wall every shift and are willing to do anything in their ability to help the team win. Guys who throw big hits and play hard-nosed no matter what. Guys who are entertaining and keep you on the edge of your seat every time they're on the ice.

You obviously like the way the NHL is goin trying to promote scoring and stop fighting and the rough stuff. How is that working out?? In case you didnt hear the NHL is doing worse than ever.

Its something that is severly lacking in the new NHL and people like you are why hockey is becoming weaker and weaker every year.

Give me guys like Mark Messier, Gordie Howe any day of the week. I'm not opposed to hard nosed energetic hockey, but a pure goon is not in the best interests of the league.....look at the view the league has based on bush league plays over the past couple years, is that what people like you are campaigning for? If someone died on the ice, people like you would say well they knew the risk when they started. I guess you liked what he did to Kaberle last year?

Give me guys like Mark Messier, Gordie Howe any day of the week.

Give me guys like Mark Messier? Jesus. Now I see what I'm dealing with. Conversation over.

This coming from the guy who thinks they should convert Cam Janssen into a D-man. I mean I have never read so much garbage in my life than I have on this website. (No offense to the rare fans on here who know have a clue).

Theres absolutely no way that most of the people in here have played hockey at a high level themselves or truly watch the games and understand what is going on.

Uh, you might want to reread some postings, considering I was arguing that Cam lacks the necessary skills to be a dman. We're not all just one poster with multiple usernames, you know? :)

Give me guys like Mark Messier? Jesus. Now I see what I'm dealing with. Conversation over.

A guy praising one of the best players to ever play the game? How could he?

And yes, I hate Messier, but he was obviously good for the game of hockey (well.... until he started playing for himself and rather his team around 1998).

Avery was jumped after repeatedly denying request after request to fight like a man and then totally turtled when he was attacked by Hordichuk. Why would Janssen even bother with Avery, the guy is completely harmeless. Just runs his mouth and never backs it up.

You have no idea what you're talking about. He hit Kariya and was actually involved with the play when he was completely jumped by Hordichuk with absolutely no chance to face the guy. He was basically rag dolled to the ice when Hordichuk was punching him.

Give me guys like Mark Messier? Jesus. Now I see what I'm dealing with. Conversation over.

You wouldn't want Mark Messier?! :biglaugh::biglaugh:

You wouldn't want Mark Messier?! :biglaugh::biglaugh:
I'd take Mark Messier, but I'd make him change his name first.

I'd take Mark Messier, but I'd make him change his name first.

Yeah, I don't want our team to become Messier. We had enough messes to clean up already.

1979 to 1994 Messier was a force, one of the best ever. Now I know for sure Janssen25 knows nothing about hockey.

Yeah, I don't want our team to become Messier. We had enough messes to clean up already.
I just don't think I could bring myself to root for Mark Messier. The player, sure, but not the name. Not after 1994.

I just don't think I could bring myself to root for Mark Messier. The player, sure, but not the name. Not after 1994.

Me neither. I wouldn't root for Gretzky either after what he said.

1979 to 1994 Messier was a force, one of the best ever. Now I know for sure Janssen25 knows nothing about hockey.

You have 12,000 posts on a hockey site so obviously you're a hockey genius:shakehead Try getting on the ice and away from ur comp for more than 5 minutes then talk to me.

I don't have time to waste on Internet heroes like you. Go start a Mark Messier appreciation thread while you're at it.

Uh, you might want to reread some postings, considering I was arguing that Cam lacks the necessary skills to be a dman. We're not all just one poster with multiple usernames, you know? :)

With some of the ridiculously clueless posts I read on here anything is possible.

With some of the ridiculously clueless posts I read on here anything is possible.

Its called an opinion and everyone has one. Don't get upset over it. Its not like we are the GM/coaches and make these decisions. We're just calling it as we see it. Nothing against Cam as a person, but alot of us just think he doesn't have as much skill as what we already got out on the ice.

You have 12,000 posts on a hockey site so obviously you're a hockey genius:shakehead Try getting on the ice and away from ur comp for more than 5 minutes then talk to me.

I don't have time to waste on Internet heroes like you. Go start a Mark Messier appreciation thread while you're at it.

lol.......you are such a suck. You don't know anything about me, or hockey for that matter. I love the Oilers and the Messier of Oiler days was a great hockey player, I hate, HATE Mark Messier, but as a player he was definitely a great player, and clearly you don't know jack about hockey otherwise you would appreciate the skill it takes to play at that level for many years. By the way, what is your hockey playing experience anyways? NHL 08? Because I used to play up until the age of 14, then I had to quit after a couple of surgeries. I love the game more than anything, and to tell me that I haven't played before and just post is so insulting because I stopped playing not because I wanted to, but because I had to.

lol.......you are such a suck. You don't know anything about me, or hockey for that matter. I love the Oilers and the Messier of Oiler days was a great hockey player, I hate, HATE Mark Messier, but as a player he was definitely a great player, and clearly you don't know jack about hockey otherwise you would appreciate the skill it takes to play at that level for many years. By the way, what is your hockey playing experience anyways? NHL 08? Because I used to play up until the age of 14, then I had to quit after a couple of surgeries. I love the game more than anything, and to tell me that I haven't played before and just post is so insulting because I stopped playing not because I wanted to, but because I had to.

So your name is Devils fanatic and you love the Oilers.... interesting.

You used to play until 14? Impressive.

Yes my hockey experience is only NHL'08. You got me.

Its called an opinion and everyone has one. Don't get upset over it. Its not like we are the GM/coaches and make these decisions. We're just calling it as we see it. Nothing against Cam as a person, but alot of us just think he doesn't have as much skill as what we already got out on the ice.

Doesn't say much about you.

Janssen will play agian.

Doesn't say much about you.

I suggest not going after Moondrgn, hes one of the classier posters around these parts....

And i agree, Jannssen doesnt improve the lineup, sure hes a great energy guy, but we have Clarkson and Asham (Brookbank to some extent) who will get the team going...

So your name is Devils fanatic and you love the Oilers.... interesting.

You used to play until 14? Impressive.

Yes my hockey experience is only NHL'08. You got me.

I do love the Oilers, they are a fun team to watch, if they play the Devils OBVIOUSLY I cheer for the Devils but they are fun to watch. And I used to play very competitive hockey till 14, have you played with the likes of Jeff Carter? Or attended a camp where Eric Lindros was a guest coach? I had a dream of playing in the NHL and it was taken from me, so don't patronize me about the age I was when I had to quit.

Doesn't say much about you.

Are you Cam's lover? Why are you taking all of this so personally? It's a message board.:cry:

Are you Cam's lover? Why are you taking all of this so personally? It's a message board.:cry:

Maybe he IS Cam???

I do love the Oilers, they are a fun team to watch, if they play the Devils OBVIOUSLY I cheer for the Devils but they are fun to watch. And I used to play very competitive hockey till 14, have you played with the likes of Jeff Carter? Or attended a camp where Eric Lindros was a guest coach? I had a dream of playing in the NHL and it was taken from me, so don't patronize me about the age I was when I had to quit.

:cry::cry::cry:

Wow Eric Lindros as a guest coach!! Please, kids like you pay me to teach you how to play the game.

Are you Cam's lover? Why are you taking all of this so personally? It's a message board.:cry:

Yes we've been dating for over a year now.

I suggest not going after Moondrgn, hes one of the classier posters around these parts....

Im not "going after" anyone on here.

But if I want to "go after" someone, I will. No matter who it is. Ok mommy?

Janssen will play agian.

:clap:

I don't feel like going back through this post, but what do you honestly think Cam Janssen can bring to this team, that the players that are similar to him cannot?

I like Cam and all, but honestly don't want to see him in a Devils jersey again!!

Whats your problem guy??

Your internet bravado is also very annoying...

The fact of the matter is,

Gionta, Langs, Asham and Clarkson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Janssen

Janssen is the man, but we dont need him right now. Plain and simple.

Janssen will play agian.

For another team.

Well, I'm a firm believer that ANYONE can learn the skill they need to accomplish something. Janssen is an athelete and he obviously has the speed and agility. I think all he really needs is some intense training on stick handling and watch how other players play and he'll eventually be good enough to put goals in net. So I'm not giving up on Janssen. I'm just saying right now he doesn't have the skills to break the lineup. But that doesn't say he won't get good enough to make it in the future.

Whats your problem guy??

Your internet bravado is also very annoying...

The fact of the matter is,

Gionta, Langs, Asham and Clarkson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Janssen

Thanks for letting me know that Gionta and Langenbrunner are better than Janssen. Guess you never heard of role players.

What happens when all of a sudden two guys get injured? What are the Devils gonna do dress 8 D-men and 10 forwards? NO. It comes down to when injuries occur do want MIke Rupp (useless in every way) or Cam in the line-up.

Seriously speaking what happens when the Devils play the Senators and we're up 4-0and Brian McGrattan starts running guys like Elias and Parise? As of right now there is no one who can do anything about it besides Clarkson and that is a long shot.

My point is that at this point Cam would not return as an everyday player. But in injury situations or games where there is a probabilty of rough stuff going down, Cam is exactly the type of player who is good to have.

Even in a situation like now with Pandolfo hurt, having Cam out there to bang some bodies and set the tone for a few shifts a game can only help the team.

Agreed that he most likely wont crack the line-up right now with no injuries. When managing a team a guy like Cam is a great player to have on reserve in case of injures or needed toughness.

People saying you never wanna see Cam in a Devils jersey every again really have no idea whats goin on, dead serious.

You know its funny but I thought the exact same thing yesterday. I think Cam would make a great D-man if he can clear the puck. He's got the exact speed that Sutter is looking for, if he can be responsible with the puck and just get it out of the zone, then we've got a real strong Defensive D we've been talking about. They need to give that a shot. Cam is a great skater and this would match his talents better.




Uhm, I don't think he can skate backwards that well.... :naughty:

Uhm, I don't think he can skate backwards that well.... :naughty:

I think you're wrong about that. I think Janssen is one of the best skaters on the team. I think he just needs some lessons in stick handling.


Seriously speaking what happens when the Devils play the Senators and we're up 4-0and Brian McGrattan starts running guys like Elias and Parise? As of right now there is no one who can do anything about it besides Clarkson and that is a long shot.


I'm pretty sure one of our big guys like Zubrus or Vishnevski would put a stop to that. If it comes to picking a fight with McGrattan, besides Clarkson, Asham would too.

People saying you never wanna see Cam in a Devils jersey every again really have no idea whats goin on, dead serious.

Well then I guess I should give up my tickets!! :sarcasm:

I think you're wrong about that. I think Janssen is one of the best skaters on the team. I think he just needs some lessons in stick handling.



I'm pretty sure one of our big guys like Zubrus or Vishnevski would put a stop to that. If it comes to picking a fight with McGrattan, besides Clarkson, Asham would too.

Cam absolutely is one of the best skaters on the team. You have to be an excellent skater to be able to deliver hits like the way he does. Anyone who played knows this.

Not sure exactly what you think Zubrus or Vishnevski are gonna do. I'm not sure who Vishnevski was with but he tried to step up to Brashear and received one of the worst ass-beatings I've seen in years.

I'll give you Clarkson in that type of situation to at least hang in there with a big heavyweight, but Asham would have no chance and has showed it through out his career.

I think you're wrong about that. I think Janssen is one of the best skaters on the team. I think he just needs some lessons in stick handling.



Now I am not going to claim to be some sort of superstar hockey playin star posting on the interweb...... but.....


From my observation as both a fan of the sport, and a bit of a playa my self....

He leans too far foward, does not power out of turns very well, or has the ability to make those quick sharp turns..... nor skate backwards very well.

Now

What he does have and it is an uncanny ability is to angle off players (from across the ice), accellerate and go straight or big arcing turns pretty fast, and explode into a check.

Cam absolutely is one of the best skaters on the team. You have to be an excellent skater to be able to deliver hits like the way he does. Anyone who played knows this.


Bro, you sound like you are making stuff up or overcompensating for a self esteem issue here. No one cares that you play and the fact that you might have played does not give you an automatic authority on the subject.... And NYC? Where do you play anyway, the Chelsea piers? :biglaugh:

Bro, you sound like you are making stuff up or overcompensating for a self esteem issue here. No one cares that you play and the fact that you might have played does not give you an automatic authority on the subject.... And NYC? Where do you play anyway, the Chelsea piers? :biglaugh:

Yeah BRO, I played at Chelsea Piers. You got me figured out. Loser.

No one is doubting Cam's ability to hit and fight. He is by far the best and bravest fighter on the Devils roster. Even so, he is a detriment to the team. He takes himself out of position, does not create many turnovers on the forecheck, is AWFUL defensively, and has zero skill. Last year he killed any chance at offense that our pathetic 4th line had. He is a defensive liability. Unless he somehow improved those things on the summer, he cannot be a regular player on this team.

His deficiencies are further magnified if the team regularly plays 7 dmen. Brylin, Asham, and Pelley can produce offensively (in that order), especially when they play with superior offensive talents. They all can take a regular shift without hurting the team one bit. All three can play on the 3rd line in case of injury, Brylin and maybe even Asham can play on the PP or 2nd line (Asham less so), Pelley is an outstanding PK'er and hitter and Brylin is an adequate PK'er and extremely versatile.

If the team played 13 forwards instead of 7 defenseman, Cam would have a spot in the lineup. But playing 11 forwards he has almost no chance, and playing 12 forwards, he has a slight chance. I like Cam, I don't like him on this team.

Janssen25...just because people disagree with your opinion about Cam's spot in the lineup, don't dismiss them as people who know nothing about the sport, have never played, etc. etc. People CAN disagree with your OPINION and shouldn't be denigrated for their OPINIONS. Give a coherent argument, and then we have a good discussion.

Yeah BRO, I played at Chelsea Piers. You got me figured out. Loser.


Anyone else reminded of that commercial?:

"YOU WOULDN'T MAKE IT IN THE NHL...."


:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:



So who is it you think is going to pay you to learn hockey?



Seriously my low self esteem friend, This is a hockey forum and a section for Devils fans, yet only one of us is acting like a peurile punk who seems more interested in demonstrating how much of a badass hockey playa he is than to talk the game and the team with fellow fans. What happen kid, did you get cut from the bantam "B" team or something?


You impress know one beer league..... :shakehead



Oh edit to add:

I asked about chealsea due to thier lack of allowing ANY sort of physical play. ;)

Anyone else reminded of that commercial?:

"YOU WOULDN'T MAKE IT IN THE NHL...."


:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:



So who is it you think is going to pay you to learn hockey?



Seriously my low self esteem friend, This is a hockey forum and a section for Devils fans, yet only one of us is acting like a peurile punk who seems more interested in demonstrating how much of a badass hockey playa he is than to talk the game and the team with fellow fans. What happen kid, did you get cut from the bantam "B" team or something?


You impress know one beer league..... :shakehead



Oh edit to add:

I asked about chealsea due to thier lack of allowing ANY sort of physical play. ;)

Some one call the Internet Police, we have a stage 5 Internet tough guy on our hands. I'd rather not associate with people who use the terms "BRO" and "Playa" on a consistent basis.

BTW no one is reminded of the comercial and you're the only one laughing at your own jokes. I guess when you're used to it it isn't so bad. Still pretty sad.

Some one call the Internet Police, we have a stage 5 Internet tough guy on our hands. I'd rather not associate with people who use the terms "BRO" and "Playa" on a consistent basis.

BTW no one is reminded of the comercial and you're the only one laughing at your own jokes. I guess when you're used to it it isn't so bad. Still pretty sad.




Hmm, My use of "Bro and playa" is about as "consistent" as I bet your play is.


Now, is here where you tell us all about how much of a great hockey player you are, or that no one knows as much as you?


Obviously our conversation has about as much to do about "toughness" as about how high of a level of hockey you play as we both are here on the wide wide world of web and can pretend to be both, either or neither. :naughty:


Perhaps you can be a little more respectful of others instead of berating them with your hockey "prowess". :roll:

There's a lovely feature called the Ignore List on here...maybe you 2 should try it!! :sarcasm:

Cam, we know it's you. You don't have to get so upset about not having a roster spot anymore.:shakehead

I haven't seen such a fanboy in my entire life.

Cam, we know it's you. You don't have to get so upset about not having a roster spot anymore.:shakehead

I haven't seen such a fanboy in my entire life.

It's border line puckbunnyish (is that a word)....and is there a word that describes men's hard-ons for certain players?!?

I don't think this petty argument is going anywhere.