Ilya Bryzgalov on waivers

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=222992&hubname=nhl

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Bruke promised to find him a place to play, even if that meant waivers.


Apparently, pundits are thinking the Sharks and Flames might want to pick him up as they apparently don't "trust" their backup.

Does this mean ANA is making cap room? for...

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Bruke promised to find him a place to play, even if that meant waivers.


Apparently, pundits are thinking the Sharks and Flames might want to pick him up as they apparently don't "trust" their backup.
Maybe my point is useless because NHL players are traveling all year...but don't we have a small advantage because SJ is close to Anaheim?

I guess he has a house in California etc?

Wow waivers? I think it's a no brainer to try and claim him, but would he last long enough for us to even have a chance?

Does this mean ANA is making cap room? for...

That is what I was thinking.

Strange they choose waivers...teams would offer a high round pick for him

Strange they choose waivers...teams would offer a high round pick for him

They obviously weren't offered anything near that or Burke would have taken it. Probably offered scrap players that would just take up cap room.
Sharks should grab him if he falls to them and move him at the trade deadline where he will likely bring back at least a good draft pick.

Edit: Of course Phoenix and LA would be crazy to pass on him.

the name 'high' is confusing...I meant 5th-7th round
but I guess you are right and they aren't getting draftpicks in return

the name 'high' is confusing...I meant 5th-7th round
but I guess you are right and they aren't getting draftpicks in return

Agreed. I would assume any type of draft pick would be better than letting him go for nothing. Burke might have turned down a late pick from a team he knew Ilya wouldn't want to play for but putting him on waivers removes any control over where he will end up.

Maybe the only teams that made offers are division teams or conference rivals and Burke is hoping Bryzgalov ends up in the Eastern Conference this way.

No way that Phoenix of LA pass up on him. I believe we find out what happens 9 AM tommorrow. I've heard rumors the past couple of years that Bryzgalov has attitude problems, maybe thats what scared some teams off

The notion that somehow Burke is keeping a promise to Bryz by "looking for some place for him to play" is hogwash. Waivers gives him no guarantees of a team picking him up that will make him the #1. In fact, except for Phoenix I don't see a team that is willing to do so. Would it be a favor to him to backup in SJ or Calgary? I don't think so. Staying in Anaheim until a team shows interest in Bryz is the best thing for his PT. It's even possible (tho unlikely) that he may end up in the minors with Burke still holding his rights. How is that for looking out.

This is nothing but an immediate money saving move by Burke that leads me to believe Nieds and Selanne are coming back. Niedermayer should eat up a large chunk of what's left of the Ducks' cap, so Selanne will have to have a bonus clause worked in. The bigger the base salary that he can write in, the less risk of the bonus being counted against next year's cap, for which the Ducks are in RFA trouble.

The Ducks will be looking vastly different in a month's time.

Here is what the CBA says about players on waivers...

ARTICLE 13
Waivers and Loans of Players To Minor League Clubs

13:19 If only one club makes a claim for the Player on whom Waiver have been requested, such Player shall be transferred to that Club. In the event that more than one Club makes a claim for such Player, he shall be transferred to the claiming Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the League standing at the time of the request for Waivers or, if Waiver are requested outside the playing season, then to the Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the preceding season’s schedule of Regular Season Games. If the successful Waiver claim is made before November 1st, then the priority shall be determined by the final standing in the League’s Regular Season schedule in the preceding season.

13:20 (a) The Club acquiring a Player shall take an Assignment of the Player’s SPC. Nevertheless, if the commissioner determines that a Player acquired by Waiver claim is not physically fit at the time the claim is made, the Club making the claim may refuse to take an Assignment of such Player’s SPC and the request for Waivers shall be canceled.

(b) A Player who has been acquired by Waiver claim shall not be Traded to another Club until the termination of Playoffs of the season in which he was acquired unless he is first offered on the same terms the Club(s) that entered a claim when Waivers were requested originally and the offer has been refused.

This is nothing but an immediate money saving move by Burke that leads me to believe Nieds and Selanne are coming back. Niedermayer should eat up a large chunk of what's left of the Ducks' cap, so Selanne will have to have a bonus clause worked in. The bigger the base salary that he can write in, the less risk of the bonus being counted against next year's cap, for which the Ducks are in RFA trouble.


If he is going to use Hiller in place of Bryz, Hiller has a much higher cap hit than Bryz. It doesn't save cap space. The only thing that may be is that Hiller's contract is loaded with bonuses and some may have become unattainable. If that is the case, the cap hit for Hiller's contract will be less than what it would have been had he been on the NHL roster for the entire season.

If he is going to use Hiller in place of Bryz, Hiller has a much higher cap hit than Bryz. It doesn't save cap space. The only thing that may be is that Hiller's contract is loaded with bonuses and some may have become unattainable. If that is the case, the cap hit for Hiller's contract will be less than what it would have been had he been on the NHL roster for the entire season.

from what's being said over on the ducks section Hillers bonuses are next to unattainable plus the bonuses can be rolled into next years cap hit

Of course Phoenix and LA would be crazy to pass on him.

According to XM204 Home Ice, also Tampa, Pittsburgh and now Edmonton have interest also.

According to XM204 Home Ice, also Tampa, Pittsburgh and now Edmonton have interest also.

I don't think Bryzgalov would be happy going there. :biglaugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ns14hRqwY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ns14hRqwY8

ilya will get claimed long before the sharks have a chance at him...

but the sharks should be all over this if somehow he's miraculously available for them. nabokov can't play 82 games, despite his recent streak, and the the wilson's obviously don't trust patzold enough to give him any significant starts.

A good 10 teams probably put a claim on him I'm sure. I'll be Phoenix grabbed him since there at the bottom of the ladder and they need a golie in the worst way.

from what's being said over on the ducks section Hillers bonuses are next to unattainable plus the bonuses can be rolled into next years cap hit

They have to cross the bar between unlikely to be attained to impossible to attain to reduce the cap hit. I realize that they are unlikely to affect next year because of the difficulty in attaining those bonuses. I saw a rumored list that looked like he would have to become the effective #1 to attain most, but the bonuses wouldn't be completely out of reach until after the All-Star break. They can use both Hiller and get Nieds back without crossing the cap. But, it would be difficult to bring Selanne in as well until the bonuses are out of reach (provided Bertuzzi returns from his concussion).

I don't think Bryzgalov would be happy going there. :biglaugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ns14hRqwY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ns14hRqwY8

I was not expecting that voice from him.......


n/m looks like he was just screwing around with that high pitched voice....

He seemed like a pretty likeable guy in that clip I don't know if his attitude really had anything to do with it. I'm betting edmonton or phoenix picks him up pretty quick and it changes very little for them :)

This is nothing but an immediate money saving move by Burke that leads me to believe Nieds and Selanne are coming back. Niedermayer should eat up a large chunk of what's left of the Ducks' cap, so Selanne will have to have a bonus clause worked in. The bigger the base salary that he can write in, the less risk of the bonus being counted against next year's cap, for which the Ducks are in RFA trouble.

The Ducks will be looking vastly different in a month's time.

Niedermayer's salary is already included in the Duck's cap hit. They don't need to clear anything for him to step back on the ice. Putting Bryz on waivers is unrelated to Nieds possible return.

There is $900K left on Bryz's salary this year. So without that salary the Ducks are about $6M under the cap. More than enough to add another player like Selanne.

Also, Bryz is a UFA next year, which means he will be in control of where he plays next year, regardless of who claims him off of waivers this year.

Just another example of why Doug Wilson is a better GM than Burke

Niedermayer's salary is already included in the Duck's cap hit. They don't need to clear anything for him to step back on the ice. Putting Bryz on waivers is unrelated to Nieds possible return.

There is $900K left on Bryz's salary this year. So without that salary the Ducks are about $6M under the cap. More than enough to add another player like Selanne.

Also, Bryz is a UFA next year, which means he will be in control of where he plays next year, regardless of who claims him off of waivers this year.

Neids is suspended, so his salary is not currently counted against the cap.

CBA 50.10 (c):

For Players that are suspended, either by a Club or by the League, the
Player Salary and Bonuses that are not paid to such Players shall not count against a
Club's Upper Limit or against the Players' Share for the duration of the suspension, but
the Club must have Payroll Room for such Player's Player Salary and Bonuses in order
for such Player to be able to return to Play for the Club.

Neids is suspended, so his salary is not currently counted against the cap.

I thought it would be, just like Malakhov last year. I thought the hit counts, but they just dont pay him. I'm probably wrong though lol

No Bryzgalov thread is complete without posting that video.

Neids is suspended, so his salary is not currently counted against the cap.

Nieds may not be collecting a salary, but his $6.75M is definitely included in the Ducks cap number this year and will be until he submits retirement paperwork.

Nieds may not be collecting a salary, but his $6.75M is definitely included in the Ducks cap number this year and will be until he submits retirement paperwork.

CBA 50.10 (c):

For Players that are suspended, either by a Club or by the League, the
Player Salary and Bonuses that are not paid to such Players shall not count against a
Club's Upper Limit or against the Players' Share for the duration of the suspension, but
the Club must have Payroll Room for such Player's Player Salary and Bonuses in order
for such Player to be able to return to Play for the Club.

I did the same thing like two weeks ago, I didn't know he was suspended though.

Niedermayer's salary is already included in the Duck's cap hit. They don't need to clear anything for him to step back on the ice. Putting Bryz on waivers is unrelated to Nieds possible return.

There is $900K left on Bryz's salary this year. So without that salary the Ducks are about $6M under the cap. More than enough to add another player like Selanne.

Also, Bryz is a UFA next year, which means he will be in control of where he plays next year, regardless of who claims him off of waivers this year.

I believe they have just over 19M in forwards, and just under (now) 7M in goal. That leaves 25M in which the defense without Nieds accounts for around 17M. You add in Niedermayer's 4.5-5M it puts them around 3M in cap space. Injury savings may give them another 1-2M. Every GM will surely like to have a slight cushion going into the deadline, so he has much less to play with regarding Selanne. Although 6M could actually exist Burke is now at a point where a few hundred thousand in savings may determine how much room he has to work with at the deadline (because you know he'll try)

I never said they needed to clear space for Niedermayer, indeed his salary fits. However his return makes every subsequent situation (Selanne/deadline) much tighter for Burke. If you believe like I do that Niedermayer is indeed coming back, then this has everything to do with it.

I don't think Bryzgalov would be happy going there. :biglaugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ns14hRqwY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ns14hRqwY8

sounds like he sat on his stick! :biglaugh:

How do they determine who has first choice of a player that is placed on waivers? If Breeze is on the wire, is it the first to file a claim on him? How does that work?

By the way, if the Sharks could get IB, that would be tempting, but I'd rather give Patzold a chance to prove he can play before assuming he CAN'T, which seems to be what RW is doing now. When the heck is DP going to get a start?

How do they determine who has first choice of a player that is placed on waivers? If Breeze is on the wire, is it the first to file a claim on him? How does that work?


IIRC, before Nov. 1, the previous year's standings in reverse order determines who gets first crack. After Nov. 1, whoever is last in the standings gets first crack and it works its way up to first in the standings. Teams have 24 hours to put in their claim and the league determines which team after the 24 hours expires if more than one team submits a claim. There is a catch on a claim, but I will wait for kdb or someone else to elucidate that catch.

Neids is suspended, so his salary is not currently counted against the cap.

CBA 50.10 (c):

For Players that are suspended, either by a Club or by the League, the
Player Salary and Bonuses that are not paid to such Players shall not count against a
Club's Upper Limit or against the Players' Share for the duration of the suspension, but
the Club must have Payroll Room for such Player's Player Salary and Bonuses in order
for such Player to be able to return to Play for the Club.

Actually, his salary does count against the cap. It is the salary he is losing on a daily basis that is excluded. The Ducks must keep open enough Payroll Room that they would be cap compliant if Nieds suddenly reported tomorrow.

At the start of the Season, the Ducks had Niedermeyer's complete $6.75M cap hit on the books. That cap hit is dropping at the rate of ~$36K/day - based on a 187 day regular season.

If I recall correctly, before Nov. 1, the previous year's standings in reverse order determines who gets first crack. After Nov. 1, whoever is last in the standings gets first crack and it works its way up to first in the standings. Teams have 24 hours to put in their claim and the league determines which team after the 24 hours expires if more than one team submits a claim. There is a catch on a claim, but I will wait for kdb or someone else to elucidate that catch.
Correct about the Nov 1 cutoff.

For waiver claims before Nov 1, priority is determined by the reverse order of the previous years final regular season standings.

For waiver claims on or after Nov 1, priority is determined by reverse order of the current standings (based on percentage of possible points earned, to account for differences in games played).

Curiously enough, there is no tie breaker specified in the CBA. I'm not sure what the league would do in the case of competing claims with the identical record (or at least identical %-age of points earned).

Correct about the Nov 1 cutoff.

For waiver claims before Nov 1, priority is determined by the reverse order of the previous years final regular season standings.

For waiver claims on or after Nov 1, priority is determined by reverse order of the current standings (based on percentage of possible points earned, to account for differences in games played).

Curiously enough, there is no tie breaker specified in the CBA. I'm not sure what the league would do in the case of competing claims with the identical record (or at least identical %-age of points earned).

Would only make sense for them to go by the previous season record....

Curiously enough, there is no tie breaker specified in the CBA. I'm not sure what the league would do in the case of competing claims with the identical record (or at least identical %-age of points earned).

I would guess that they use the season standings tiebreakers that they have already setup. They have a blurb at the bottom of standings on NHL.com specifying tiebreakers. However, if they remain tied beyond those specified, who knows.

I was not expecting that voice from him.......


n/m looks like he was just screwing around with that high pitched voice....

The dude is hilarious...this is my favorite clip:

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On the duck goalie mask at the front of his helmet: "I no wha dis is. I no order."

I would guess that they use the season standings tiebreakers that they have already setup. They have a blurb at the bottom of standings on NHL.com specifying tiebreakers. However, if they remain tied beyond those specified, who knows.

Coin toss. :sarcasm:

Coin toss. :sarcasm:

Probably and if it would benefit Burke, both sides would be heads.:biglaugh:

This is a wierd move. Burke is too good to just let him go just for the sake of having Bryz play somewhere (Although it would be cool to see the two goalies from the Russian Olympic team on the same NHL team:))

I just hope wherever he goes he gets the chance to start ... I hate seeing a guy with his talent riding the pine. Crossing my fingers he ends up in the East ... :)

I just hope wherever he goes he gets the chance to start ... I hate seeing a guy with his talent riding the pine. Crossing my fingers he ends up in the East ... :)

i have a feeling he will be staying in the division

This is a wierd move. Burke is too good to just let him go just for the sake of having Bryz play somewhere (Although it would be cool to see the two goalies from the Russian Olympic team on the same NHL team:))

I think the reason Burke put him on waivers instead of trading him is to clear up salary and cap space. The only way Burke was going to be able to trade him was by agreeing to pay some or all of Bryzgalov's salary, and obviously with the Selanne/Niedermayer situations the Ducks need cap space a lot more than some mid round draft pick. Even if by chance nobody claimed Bryzgalov he's on a 2-way contract and would go to the minors for less salary.

I think the reason Burke put him on waivers instead of trading him is to clear up salary and cap space. The only way Burke was going to be able to trade him was by agreeing to pay some or all of Bryzgalov's salary, and obviously with the Selanne/Niedermayer situations the Ducks need cap space a lot more than some mid round draft pick. Even if by chance nobody claimed Bryzgalov he's on a 2-way contract and would go to the minors for less salary.

you can't do that in the new cba

I think the reason Burke put him on waivers instead of trading him is to clear up salary and cap space. The only way Burke was going to be able to trade him was by agreeing to pay some or all of Bryzgalov's salary, and obviously with the Selanne/Niedermayer situations the Ducks need cap space a lot more than some mid round draft pick. Even if by chance nobody claimed Bryzgalov he's on a 2-way contract and would go to the minors for less salary.

i believe that under the cba teams can no longer trade a player and continue to pay part of their salary (but i could be wrong). also, bryzgalov definitely does not have negative value. at the very worst, the ducks could have gotten a low draft pick in return. my thought is that burke must be desparate to move bryzgalov quickly for some reason and doesn't have time to work out a trade. perhaps niedermeyer has decided to come back immediately and they need to clear the cap space, or ilya is disgruntled in his backup role and is causing a ruckus. or maybe burke is just crazy. yeah, that could be it.

Burke is certifiably nuts. He has completely mismanaged the Ducks personnel situation this year:

1. It started with his ridiculous promise to Niedermeyer to "take all the time he needs" to make a retirement decision instead of telling him to either honor his contract or retire by the FA deadline.

2. He was totally asleep at the switch on the Penner deal. He didn't even know if he had talked with Penner's agent prior to the Edmonton signing and then he looked like a whinning fool going after Kevin Lowe.

3. Now he dumps a valuable asset like Bryz for nothing (and will actually have to pay half of his salary if he's claimed on waivers) when he could have gotten a least a 2nd round pick for him.

I think the Stanley Cup must have fell from his nightstand and hit him in the head last summer.

3. Now he dumps a valuable asset like Bryz for nothing (and will actually have to pay half of his salary if he's claimed on waivers) when he could have gotten a least a 2nd round pick for him.

No, you don't pay half the salary for a player you lose on regular waivers.

Teams only take on half of the cap hit, if the player is lost on recall-waivers.

Just another example of why Doug Wilson is a better GM than Burke

Hahahaha ! Where is your Stanley Cup then ?

I just checked the Leafs board to see how the Toskala and Bell trade are viewed over there. Man, are they upset over the Toskala trade in light of recent waiving of Bryz. It was bad but now the deal looks even worse. My lovemeter for DW has gone up for this move in the offseason :handclap:

I would love to bring in Bryz and send Patzold down but too bad our record is too high. That's the first time I feel bad that our team is playing well ironically. I wonder if it's possible to trade for a player once he has been placed on waiver or not. If it's possible, maybe Burke can be convinced to take a 7th pick over getting nothing. Maybe our LadyStanley would know.

I just checked the Leafs board to see how the Toskala and Bell trade are viewed over there. Man, are they upset over the Toskala trade in light of recent waiving of Bryz. It was bad but now the deal looks even worse. My lovemeter for DW has gone up for this move in the offseason :handclap:

I would love to bring in Bryz and send Patzold down but too bad our record is too high. That's the first time I feel bad that our team is playing well ironically. I wonder if it's possible to trade for a player once he has been placed on waiver or not. If it's possible, maybe Burke can be convinced to take a 7th pick over getting nothing. Maybe our LadyStanley would know.

(most) toronto fans = complete opposite of hockey

plus fans don't make the decisions...the GM does.

I just checked the Leafs board to see how the Toskala and Bell trade are viewed over there. Man, are they upset over the Toskala trade in light of recent waiving of Bryz. It was bad but now the deal looks even worse. My lovemeter for DW has gone up for this move in the offseason :handclap:

I would love to bring in Bryz and send Patzold down but too bad our record is too high. That's the first time I feel bad that our team is playing well ironically. I wonder if it's possible to trade for a player once he has been placed on waiver or not. If it's possible, maybe Burke can be convinced to take a 7th pick over getting nothing. Maybe our LadyStanley would know.

I think once he is waived, he can't be traded for a year

I think once he is waived, he can't be traded for a year

correct. Can't be traded until after the end of the season

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=222992&hubname=nhl

Bryzgalov's off to Phoenix. Might start against Kings in LA tonight.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=222992&hubname=nhl

Bryzgalov's off to Phoenix. Might start against Kings in LA tonight.

Nice of Burke to strengthen a team in his own division.

It's good that the Sharks have already played the Coyotes 3 times. Hopefully Ilya whips Anaheim every time they play Anaheim and beats the Ducks out of a playoff spot.

I think about RW on this. the Ducks were also trying to move IB when we were trying to move toslala. the leafs were one of about 3 obviou s trding partners. we were able to move bells salary and give up tosk and get some good pick. sssome complained at the time we should have got a defenseman (no chance since leafs took bells salary). we ended up with what we think will be good players in the draft and dumped bells salary affording us some of the budget space to extend JT and/or PM.

the ducks in the same situation not only get nothing (and they'll like it), they eat a small part of his salary.

another tip of the hat to Doug Wilson is due.

they eat a small part of his salary.

?????

As in what's already been paid this season? The difference between Hiller and Bryzgalov's salaries only result in a savings of about $300k. (And with incentives, Hiller could cost them more in cap and $$s paid.)

He's in net today for the Yotes.

That was quick :amazed:

game is online

http://www.hockeywebcasts.com/

well now Phoneix is looking a little meaner, no more Alud to beat up on.

I gotta admit, it was really nice of Bryan Burke to wait until after we played Phoenix three straight games before putting Bryz out there :biglaugh:

Nice of Burke to strengthen a team in his own division.

Close race in the Pacific, why not beef up the bottom team to potentially hurt the others? Burke might make some odd moves (Fedorov for Beauchemin +, Parros for a 2nd rounder) but they worked out for him in the end...except for Fedoruk.

Close race in the Pacific, why not beef up the bottom team to potentially hurt the others? Burke might make some odd moves (Fedorov for Beauchemin +, Parros for a 2nd rounder) but they worked out for him in the end...except for Fedoruk.

Sorry --don't understand that statement since it hurts ANA as much since they are in the division ..
maybe more since SJ and Dallas have played the Yotes already 3 times , Ana played them only twice , really only hurts LA since they have not played Pho yet..

And he wins his first game as a Coyote. Good for him. And keeps the Kings from inching closer to the Sharks :handclap:

Good job Bryzgalov for helping to stall the Kings. Terrible job Yahoo Fantasy for not updating Bryzgalov's status/team.

Well he just notched a shutout win. If that doesn't say somethin...

I don't think there going to be our punching bags anymore :(

Maybe we can trade for Tellqvist or Auld?

Maybe we can trade for Tellqvist or Auld?

Why should they play for us after the spankings we gave the both of them? :biglaugh:

correct. Can't be traded until after the end of the season
Actually, he can be traded - the catch is that he first has to be offered at waiver price to any team which put in an unsuccessful waiver claim.


13.20
(a) The Club acquiring a Player by Waiver claim shall take an Assignment of
the Player's SPC. Nevertheless, if the Commissioner determines that a Player acquired
by Waiver claim is not physically fit at the time the claim is made, the Club making the
claim may refuse to take an Assignment of such Player's SPC and the request for Waivers
shall be canceled.

(b) A Player who has been acquired by Waiver claim shall not be Traded to
another Club until the termination of Playoffs of the season in which he was acquired
unless he is first offered on the same terms to the Club(s) that entered a claim when
Waivers were requested originally and the offer has been refused.

Why should they play for us after the spankings we gave the both of them? :biglaugh:

Because we would have outscored the Coyotes 24-1 if Patzold was their goalie.

Because we would have outscored the Coyotes 24-1 if Patzold was their goalie.

You know this how?