Bergfors?

I knew that Bergy got hurt in the season opening game , and rememberd that he was getting better early last week i ithkn..whats up with him...is he still hurt?..is he playing for Lowell?...

I knew that Bergy got hurt in the season opening game , and rememberd that he was getting better early last week i ithkn..whats up with him...is he still hurt?..is he playing for Lowell?...

Playing for Lowell, probably going to be there the year...sadly.

I still don't get why for the time being he isn't playing in rupp's spot. He should take his spot, Oduya should be sitting, and Malmivaara should get some ice time.

I think Bergfors would only see 4th line minutes this year anyway.

If he's going to be as good as people sya he is, let him play a little in the AHL and get better. Don't rush him into Mike Rupp's spot.

I think he's really more of an injury call-up this year, he didn't really look ready for the big show quite yet. Maybe he can improve his strength and learn to be an impact player at the AHL level, kind of like Parise did during the lockout year. Then he will be able to step in next year and hopefully be a valuable player.

I don't think it helps him playing 8-11 min a game right now. Give him 20 minutes a game in Lowell, build up his confidence and play him in all situations.

Tom Gulitti writes in his blog that when he asked Lamoriello about Bergfors he was told that Bergfors was sent down to play some games with Lowell because he was injured and hadn't played in a while. Looks like he'll be back in New Jersey soon.

Tom Gulitti writes in his blog that when he asked Lamoriello about Bergfors he was told that Bergfors was sent down to play some games with Lowell because he was injured and hadn't played in a while. Looks like he'll be back in New Jersey soon.
That's the exact opposite of what he wrote.

Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello Bergfors wasn't sent down for only a game or two to get his conditioning back. "He's there indefinitely," he said. "We'll see how he plays."

That's the exact opposite of what he wrote.

Apparently you didn't realize that today is opposite day...

That's the exact opposite of what he wrote.

That was the first update right after he was sent down.

This is what Gulitti had to say when asked about Bergfors two days ago:

When I asked Lou Lamoriello about Bergfors last week, he said that he needed to play some games down in Lowell because he missed a decent stretch after he injured his shoulder in the opener.

It's in the comments under "Line changes".

;)

I read that as Bergfors being sent to Lowell to prove that he can come back up. Another words I don't think Lou was at all impressed with his effort.

I thought he looked pretty decent in his first NHL game. It's strange that Lou would base it off of just one game.

I read that as Bergfors being sent to Lowell to prove that he can come back up. Another words I don't think Lou was at all impressed with his effort.

It's not Lou's decision. Lou does the paperwork...Sutter makes the lineup decisions.

In this case, Lou was the one who said it... I believe someone mentioned a quote from Lou. Its in one of the threads.

I thought he looked pretty decent in his first NHL game. It's strange that Lou would base it off of just one game.

Doubt he based it off of one game. You don't prove yourself in NHL games, you prove yourself in minor leagues and in practice. My guess is that Lou (or Sutter) didn't think he was cutting it in practice.

Just so everyone knows, I went to the Lowell game on Friday and Bergfors was completely invisible. By that I mean he was either playing on the third or fourth line and not doing much on his shifts which is surprising considering all the hype. He also just got his first point on sunday so I doubt we will be seeing him again this year.

I read that as Bergfors being sent to Lowell to prove that he can come back up. Another words I don't think Lou was at all impressed with his effort.

Well either Lou or Sutter are blind then. Bergfors was our most aggresive shooter in Pre Season and played a very good First Game. He put the puck on net 3 times and was all over the ice against Tampa.

Then he was injured. He has played in Lowell for a few weeks now.

There is no reason he is not with the NJ Devils right now. Throw Bergfors on the RW of Elias. Go with a Clarkson-Brylin-Asham 4th line.

I trust Sutter and Lou with our prospects.. Bergfors is still young.. I myself wasn't that impressed with him early on.. Thought he looked lost without the puck..

I think the problem is we already have a full roster. Until we move someone off the roster we can't bring Bergfors back.

Remember we got Brookbank now.

I trust Sutter and Lou with our prospects.. Bergfors is still young.. I myself wasn't that impressed with him early on.. Thought he looked lost without the puck..

i really hope this kids not a bust :(. more and more i worry he is. if he needs time in the minors to make him into atleast a 25 goal scorer, id be happy. but i get the feeling hes gonna just sorta dwindle away til hes moved in a deal. i really hope im wrong cuz we all know he has the tools.

I bet we include him in a trade, win the cup next year, then regret we ever let him go like 5 years down the road...seems to be the trend.

I bet we include him in a trade, win the cup next year, then regret we ever let him go like 5 years down the road...seems to be the trend.


Or Bergfors win the cup with another team next year. Other team give this kid a real chance to show up. Mike Rupp sucks but he is still with the team.

Or Bergfors win the cup with another team next year. Other team give this kid a real chance to show up. Mike Rupp sucks but he is still with the team.

Seriously! I thought Bergfors showed alot of promise. But he definately isn't really cutout to forechecking. I think he's lacking the bulk he needs right now. Give him a year or two to fill out and he'll be much better.

My best recomendation would be to have him train under a weightlifting coach to put some more muscle on him. he would be so much more effective then.

Sounds like to me that he is sulking in the AHL. If thats the case we might as well ship him out now because if he can't handle a little adversity now then how is he going to handle it in the big leagues? It could be the Sykora situation all over again.

Sounds like to me that he is sulking in the AHL. If thats the case we might as well ship him out now because if he can't handle a little adversity now then how is he going to handle it in the big leagues? It could be the Sykora situation all over again.

Where do you get that he's sulking?

Seriously, I think we need someone close to the team to give an actual reason. Otherwise we are all just speculating.

i really hope this kids not a bust :(. more and more i worry he is. if he needs time in the minors to make him into atleast a 25 goal scorer, id be happy. but i get the feeling hes gonna just sorta dwindle away til hes moved in a deal. i really hope im wrong cuz we all know he has the tools.

More and more i worry he is???? Why? he was amazing on the preseason. Im worry about the organisation.

More and more i worry he is???? Why? he was amazing on the preseason. Im worry about the organisation.


The organization churns out plenty of young talent. Its not the organizations fault that Bergfors can't cut it in the AHL. Stop making excuses for him.

It seems like he is waiting to have a position in the nhl spoonfed to him and it looks like if it isn't the nhl he is playing in, he really doesn't want to hustle and take over in the ahl.

More and more i worry he is???? Why? he was amazing on the preseason. Im worry about the organisation.

the reports i read from lowell is that hes for the most part invisible. hey if its not true, then thats great. i wanna see what this kid can do in 82 games when hes ready. my fingers are def crossed.

The organization churns out plenty of young talent. Its not the organizations fault that Bergfors can't cut it in the AHL. Stop making excuses for him.

Thank you. The dude is unimpressive thus far, why let him flounder about in the professional level?

Thank you. The dude is unimpressive thus far, why let him flounder about in the professional level?

Umm, maybe because he is better at the professional level!!

The organization churns out plenty of young talent. Its not the organizations fault that Bergfors can't cut it in the AHL. Stop making excuses for him.

not to make excuses for Bergfors but look who he is playing with in Lowell. and no the organization has not been churning out plenty of young talent, anyone who has spent more than a year in Lowell/Albany simply has not made it. This organization has not had any success whatsoever in recent years with churning out players with any sort of offensive talent. for some reason guys are allowed to rot in the AHL until there confidence and motivation is completely shot. there is a long list of players that are no closer to NHL than the day the devils drafted them.

player development and drafting is simply terrible at this point and needs a major overhaul.

Umm, maybe because he is better at the professional level!!

Yeah he's an offensive machine, I forgot.

He wasn't good here either! In preseason against other AHLers, maybe. Regular season? 4th liner, tops. And we have a bunch of those.

not to make excuses for Bergfors but look who he is playing with in Lowell. and no the organization has not been churning out plenty of young talent, anyone who has spent more than a year in Lowell/Albany simply has not made it. This organization has not had any success whatsoever in recent years with churning out players with any sort of offensive talent. for some reason guys are allowed to rot in the AHL until there confidence and motivation is completely shot. there is a long list of players that are no closer to NHL than the day the devils drafted them.

player development and drafting is simply terrible at this point and needs a major overhaul.
I think the drafting is okay, but the player development is where it falls flat. Almost all of our recent successes have come straight out of the NCAA ranks and on to the team. That leads me to believe that our NCAA scouts are fantastic and everyone else is terrible or that our player development is awful.

Otherwise, I completely agree.

Yeah he's an offensive machine, I forgot.

He wasn't good here either! In preseason against other AHLers, maybe. Regular season? 4th liner, tops. And we have a bunch of those.
He played one NHL game where he injured his shoulder. :confused:

I would like to see him get another chance. I thought he looked good in the first game. Had a lot of scoring chances.

I think the drafting is okay, but the player development is where it falls flat. Almost all of our recent successes have come straight out of the NCAA ranks and on to the team. That leads me to believe that our NCAA scouts are fantastic and everyone else is terrible or that our player development is awful.

Otherwise, I completely agree.

I agree as well....I cant help but think our drafting of players since the euros(patty sykora...) have fallen flat, and for that matter trades and UFA signings suck!!!! we just are a better off with NA players, not to sound ignorant or against Euro or Asian(russia) hasnt worked out well for us. I hope Nic can change things up, but look at our top players of our cup runs besides brylin and Patty they have no lasting strenth either...tough and gritty yet smaller players many NCAA guys like others have said seems to be the way to go. Although we havent ben in the running for a Ovie, malkin, Kovy type guy but then again those are guys that play NA style.

My advice if it means anything at all would be to continue our drafting/scouting trend of late and keep the NA/free agent signing guys(madden,green, raffi,clarkson) guys coming....althoughI do have HIGH hope for Tupalov(dano part II)

I agree as well....I cant help but think our drafting of players since the euros(patty sykora...) have fallen flat, and for that matter trades and UFA signings suck!!!! we just are a better off with NA players, not to sound ignorant or against Euro or Asian(russia) hasnt worked out well for us. I hope Nic can change things up, but look at our top players of our cup runs besides brylin and Patty they have no lasting strenth either...tough and gritty yet smaller players many NCAA guys like others have said seems to be the way to go. Although we havent ben in the running for a Ovie, malkin, Kovy type guy but then again those are guys that play NA style.

My advice if it means anything at all would be to continue our drafting/scouting trend of late and keep the NA/free agent signing guys(madden,green, raffi,clarkson) guys coming....althoughI do have HIGH hope for Tupalov(dano part II)
I just think our bad luck in Euro prospects has a lot to do with our development system. For the most part they don't go to play NCAA hockey and much of the development falls on the AHL team's shoulders. The notable exceptions would be the players that can step in at age 20, but looking at someone like Bergfors, he was the correct pick, he's just kind of stagnated in Lowell.

I just think our bad luck in Euro prospects has a lot to do with our development system. For the most part they don't go to play NCAA hockey and much of the development falls on the AHL team's shoulders. The notable exceptions would be the players that can step in at age 20, but looking at someone like Bergfors, he was the correct pick, he's just kind of stagnated in Lowell.


agreed its not just euros falling it is everyone we develop in in our AHL system which was my original statement. Look at the Tallackson, Ryznar, Hale examples. Fairly highly touted NCAA guys that spend more than a years time in the AHL and Hale turned out marginal at best and Tallackson and Ryznar have utterly failed as far as i can tell. these two may not even be with the organization come next year.

i dont except that euros dont succeed either as a previous posted mentioned, they certainly game if developed right and given a chance to shine with the right developement techniques, coaching, and system. certain teams continue to pluck finns, czechs, and swedes, from the later rounds who end up playing in the NHL with 2-4 years, we absolutely fail in that aspect miserablely. we have started to recently sign other teams former draft picks in the hope they will work out, truly a bad sign and very indicative of our current state.

Bergfors = Suglobov

Bergfors has 1 G and 1 A in 7 GP at Lowell. He's going to have to do a lot more to earn a call up.

I just think our bad luck in Euro prospects has a lot to do with our development system. For the most part they don't go to play NCAA hockey and much of the development falls on the AHL team's shoulders. The notable exceptions would be the players that can step in at age 20, but looking at someone like Bergfors, he was the correct pick, he's just kind of stagnated in Lowell.

Actually maybe the problem is Lowell? Have you considered maybe the development of the players just aren't there in Lowell? They could have bad coaches, bad role models.

How else do you explain the fact that we trade away a medicre player to someone else and they turn out to be an elite player under their system?

Bergfors = Suglobov

Bergfors has 1 G and 1 A in 7 GP at Lowell. He's going to have to do a lot more to earn a call up.

Bergfors at 18 was better than Suglobov at any point of his career. But it seems that he's relly stagnating in Lowell.

At this point however the devils just need some players with a certain skill level. so the devils may be desperate enough to call him up; I am sure he could help on our second unit powerplay at the very least.

Actually maybe the problem is Lowell? Have you considered maybe the development of the players just aren't there in Lowell? They could have bad coaches, bad role models.

How else do you explain the fact that we trade away a medicre player to someone else and they turn out to be an elite player under their system?
That's exactly what I was saying. But who's this mediocre player that we traded away exactly?

I have a feeling that hes one of those guys that do crap in the minors but would excel in the pros.