Attendance...

already a few sites I have read are criticizing the attendance at The Rock after two games. You Devils fans that live in the area, get up of your butts and attend the games. Show the rest of the league that this team has a great fan base. If I lived anywhere near The Rock, I'd have seasons tickets...support the team people.

we're averaging 15,500 thus far, not that bad. the attendance talk is boring, how about threads on the game or Pando's hat trick?
halloween games have never and will never draw well in NJ, case closed.

already a few sites I have read are criticizing the attendance at The Rock after two games. You Devils fans that live in the area, get up of your butts and attend the games. Show the rest of the league that this team has a great fan base. If I lived anywhere near The Rock, I'd have seasons tickets...support the team people.

You got $8,000+ for two ST's in the areas that are available? Or $6,000 for the top row uppers behind the net?

People like to criticize without *knowing*.

If they really had 13,000+ sold with that crap crowd, they have a decent base.

What you all should do is look at the boxscores and realize the NHL as you know it
is D-E-A-D. So, instead of knocking the fans, the people that write those articles
should wonder "gee, why is that happening?". Especially when Colorado and Dallas
are down. A team that has Ovechkin is getting crowds *worse* than this particular
crowd.

I don't know how the Florida Panthers don't go out of business. Nashville is dead.
Atlanta is dead, this season will finish them off unless they turn it around. Detriot
is suffering, Boston is suffering (and Julienball isn't going to put ***** in the seats), Chicago is a rotted burnt out hulk. Columbus starts winning, they stop drawing. Phoenix still has a hockey team? I could go on and on and on and on.

already a few sites I have read are criticizing the attendance at The Rock after two games. You Devils fans that live in the area, get up of your butts and attend the games. Show the rest of the league that this team has a great fan base. If I lived anywhere near The Rock, I'd have seasons tickets...support the team people.

Attendance tonight was no issue.

13218 was the paid crowd. That is more acceptable.

11000 STH which is what was expected and a couple thousand walk ups minus the STH no shows.

I have ZERO issues tonight.

The problem is the media cannot wait to criticize the Devils in terms of attendance.


If we are not close to sold out on Friday I will eat my hat.

Not for nothing, but didn't the almighty Rangers have over 5,000 no-shows Monday night against the same Tampa Bay Lightning? And they had nothing to compete against. No Halloween, no NBA, nada.

Wake me when we draw 13k on Friday.

I love it.

When the Devils aren't winning, we complain about the team. When the Devils are winning, we complain about something else.

I could care less if I'm the only one in the building - the Devils just need to get the goals and get the wins. That's what counts more than anything.

other attendance from games tonight

Dallas: 14,756
Florida: 10, 063

Halloween is a bad night for hockey fans across the board.

Let's see how Friday night draws. and to shut up the complainers, for those of you without a ticket to Friday night's game, make it a night at The Rock and go purchase a ticket or two tomorrow.

Can we just lock down this thread. It it what it is. The team had a nice win tonight let's enjoy that instead of agonize over the stuff that we can't control (the people on here aren't the problem). Also remember that the team get's more of the money out of this rink than CAA plus they also have a nice tv deal so we don't have to worry about the team going anywhere.

Again let's enjoy the win.

If this thread is not locked it is a disgrace.

Attendance for the Devils is no issue any longer.

Even 10000 in the building is the equivelent to a CAA sellout with generated revenue and the Devils have 11000+ Season Ticket holders.

Tonights crowd might have been less, but the paid crowd is very acceptable and respectable for a week night game.

Friday is close to a sell out. Bank on it.

Attendance tonight was no issue.

13218 was the paid crowd. That is more acceptable.

11000 STH which is what was expected and a couple thousand walk ups minus the STH no shows.

I have ZERO issues tonight.

The problem is the media cannot wait to criticize the Devils in terms of attendance.


If we are not close to sold out on Friday I will eat my hat.

Were you there tonight? I know it was Halloween and I wasnt expecting a crowd because of it, but I'd say there were maybe 8,500 or 9,000 there.

Were you there tonight? I know it was Halloween and I wasnt expecting a crowd because of it, but I'd say there were maybe 8,500 or 9,000 there.

I was there...and the box score says 13K+....and that's how much money the Devils got tonight.

WHO CARES?!? It's Halloween!!!

I love it.

When the Devils aren't winning, we complain about the team. When the Devils are winning, we complain about something else.

I could care less if I'm the only one in the building - the Devils just need to get the goals and get the wins. That's what counts more than anything.

Well said.

It was Halloween! people have kids. kids go out and get candy. Dads have to take them out. So all you're left with is college kids the people without kids which makes up the 13000 fans that were there tonight.

We'll see what the attendance is on Friday. Then again who cares. And to my ears the Rock seemed very loud tonight which is what I like.

Were you there tonight? I know it was Halloween and I wasnt expecting a crowd because of it, but I'd say there were maybe 8,500 or 9,000 there.

I could care less if there were 8 or 9!!!!


There were 13200+ PAID.

That is an acceptable crowd if everyone showed and acceptable for a weeknight PAID.

I was there...and the box score says 13K+....and that's how much money the Devils got tonight.

WHO CARES?!? It's Halloween!!!

That's right...who cares that it was Halloween, there should have been more at that game tonight.

That's right...who cares that it was Halloween, there should have been more at that game tonight.

Yeah...you tell that to your kids under the age of 12 that they can't go trick or treating because you wanna go to a hockey game.

Tell me how well that works in your house!

That's right...who cares that it was Halloween, there should have been more at that game tonight.

I love when Canadians act like they understand the NHL in the US.

Dallas had a **** crowd too, they were supposed to be one of the savior of the Southwestern movement. Go bother them too.

The no-show ratio at the game sucked, if that is a legit number (and I *guess* it is), they have a decent base.

It does not work the same here as it does there. Get that into your head.

Again, look at the league and what has been done to it post-lockout and think again before you wonder why maybe people aren't as willing to walk up and pay $400 for a family of four *just for tickets* to sit in the first couple of rows in the upper deck behind the nets.

Of course, the jackasses at TSN don't want to do that. It's the greatest product it's ever been, all while empty seats and no-shows fill the US markets.

Yeah...you tell that to your kids under the age of 12 that they can't go trick or treating because you wanna go to a hockey game.

Tell me how well that works in your house!

So what you are saying is there isn't enough fan base to cover the folks going out for Halloween?

For the 100th time:
Halloween might of had an effect.
Wednesday night
Worst team in hockey
Playing the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Season opener for the Nets 10 miles north
And that comes for what you got at the Rock tonight. Who gives a crap? We finally won a game. Again, come back to me if we draw 13k on Friday.

Newsflash: This ain't Canada.

So what you are saying is there isn't enough fan base to cover the folks going out for Halloween?

No what I'm saying is that people who may have had tickets to tonight's game, but have young kids, may not have showed up.

The guy in front of me has 4 tickets, and he only used 2. His wife stayed home with their 2 kids tonight and took them.

No what I'm saying is that people who may have had tickets to tonight's game, but have young kids, may not have showed up.

Yeah, well they missed out, because the 8,000 or 9,000 of us that DID show up had a BLAST!!! Great Game!!!! :handclap:

So what you are saying is there isn't enough fan base to cover the folks going out for Halloween?

DUH! I think we have a winner.

This isn't East Bumble**** Saskatchewan.

There's barely enough fan base to fill the building in ANY US market.

Because you guys will ***** out your sport to try to chase the ones of us
that *aren't* watching, all along offending the ones that *are*.

Yeah...you tell that to your kids under the age of 12 that they can't go trick or treating because you wanna go to a hockey game

Philly would be fill on Halloween, the Garden would be full on Halloween. Detroite , Colorado, Toronto, etc.

The Devils just had a lot of no shows tongiht but it reallyh is not a big deal.



Trust me Halloween has nothing to do with it. That is the difference in 500 more fans showing up.

Corporates buy a lot of downstairs seats and a lot did not come out tonight.

A lot of no shows. But 13,218 is an acceptable crowd.

I cannot see why this is a discussion.

The Rangers in their 7 year playoff droubt had THOUSANDS of empties on a nightly basis. But they sold out every game. I would go to games there and put my jacket down on the empty seat next to me.

But when the Devils have 13218 listed as the paid crowd it is an issue?

This is absurd.


More emphaisis on this then on the fact the Devils played their best game of the season in net, on the blueline, and up front.

For the 100th time:
Halloween might of had an effect.
Wednesday night
Worst team in hockey
Playing the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Season opener for the Nets 10 miles north
And that comes for what you got at the Rock tonight. Who gives a crap? We finally won a game. Again, come back to me if we draw 13k on Friday.

Newsflash: This ain't Canada.
I agree with all of this, and also the nets didn't even draw a full house for their opening night

It's official guys...we didn't sell out tonight...that means NO STANLEY CUP!!

Seriously, what does attendance have to do with anything? I don't care if there were 5 people there watching the game tonight. It has nothing to do with our standings. That's what really counts!

DUH! I think we have a winner.

This isn't East Bumble**** Saskatchewan.

There's barely enough fan base to fill the building in ANY US market.

Because you guys will ***** out your sport to try to chase the ones of us
that *aren't* watching, all along offending the ones that *are*.

The Devils have plenty of fans. They always have a great road gathering.

They will never compete with the Ranger fans where if one fan does not show there are 3 more to replace him. But the Devils do have plenty of fans.

They averaged 16000 a game between 1996-1999. Attendnace was not an issue at the time. It is not like those fans are suddenly no longer fans and fell off the planet.


People will come. Many felt the 2nd game this season would be the smallest of the season.

For the 100th time:
Halloween might of had an effect.
Wednesday night
Worst team in hockey
Playing the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Season opener for the Nets 10 miles north
And that comes for what you got at the Rock tonight. Who gives a crap? We finally won a game. Again, come back to be if we draw 13k on Friday.

Newsflash: This ain't Canada.

Being a bad team has never affected the attendance for teams like the Leafs, Habs, Oilers and Red Wings. As everyone preaches on here, this team still has potential, so why avoid attending the game if this is the "worst team in hockey"???

...and if the Nets are playing 10 miles away and we lose attendance due to that...what does that say to the priority of the fan base for the Devils?!?!?

..and ya...thanks for the geography update...I know it's not Canada...now I know why this league is hurting when it comes to TV coverage, media coverage and respect.

If this attendance doesn't average 14,000 or more for the next 10 homes games, I'll bring up this topic again. With this team's history there should be no reason why this team cannot attract 14,000 or more a game...every game. My original point here was instead of people sitting on their computers chatting about the game and they live in the area...show up to the games and support the team. I would if I lived 2000 miles closer. I've got my tickets come Dec when the Devils come to Edmonton. That is my only way to support this team.

It's official guys...we didn't sell out tonight...that means NO STANLEY CUP!!

Seriously, what does attendance have to do with anything? I don't care if there were 5 people there watching the game tonight. It has nothing to do with our standings. That's what really counts!

Ya, that's right...that's what we are saying....:shakehead

The Devils have plenty of fans. They always have a great road gathering.

They will never compete with the Ranger fans where if one fan does not show there are 3 more to replace him. But the Devils do have plenty of fans.

They averaged 16000 a game between 1996-1999. Attendnace was not an issue at the time. It is not like those fans are suddenly no longer fans and fell off the planet.



Don't be too sure. The league has killed alot of their base. I know at least a couple of people that are done as "customers."

Even for the Rangers, there are no 3 to replace 1. Detriot proved this when they
went through their whole "waiting list" in the matter of one year.

The new game is not appealing to alot of people that spent money to watch the old game. That + the lockout and the prices has driven alot of people away. It's ugly in the boxscores night in and night out now.

I thought our crowd was weak, until I saw Dallas', which is a *** moment.

Their base is at the same place *ours* is? We're talking about teams that used to sell out their season, so clearly, something's going on.

Ya, that's right...that's what we are saying....:shakehead

My post was DRIPPING with sarcasm....seriously, this ain't Canada, it's the Devils in NJ...

We've never drawn large crowds, we've never drawn big on holidays, etc.

It's the middle of the week against Tampa on a Holiday. If I didn't have season tickets, this probably wouldn't be a game that I would go to.

And honestly...when has the attendance every figured into winning the Stanley Cup. I didn't know that counted.

Being a bad team has never affected the attendance for teams like the Leafs, Habs, Oilers and Red Wings. As everyone preaches on here, this team still has potential, so why avoid attending the game if this is the "worst team in hockey"???

...and if the Nets are playing 10 miles away and we lose attendance due to that...what does that say to the priority of the fan base for the Devils?!?!?

..and ya...thanks for the geography update...I know it's not Canada...now I know why this league is hurting when it comes to TV coverage, media coverage and respect.

If this attendance doesn't average 14,000 or more for the next 10 homes games, I'll bring up this topic again. With this team's history there should be no reason why this team cannot attract 14,000 or more a game...every game. My original point here was instead of people sitting on their computers chatting about the game and they live in the area...show up to the games and support the team. I would if I lived 2000 miles closer. I've got my tickets come Dec when the Devils come to Edmonton. That is my only way to support this team.

Dude, the Red Wings were a trainwreck before their run during the Yzerman era and they're on their way to being a trainwreck again.

You still don't get it. You're looking at this through Canadian eyes. It is a different world here. You've gone on the road to a game in the US, right? I've gone to Game 7 in 2003 in Ottawa, which is probably the weakest of the six Canadian teams in the business department, and it is a totally different world.

The league is hurting in the US. Instead of calling us out on why we're not attending, you should wonder why this is happening. As I said, why is a team with Ovechkin drawing worse than us? What's going on in Dallas and Colorado? Why was Pittsburgh on the verge of going off the cliff until they won a ping-pong contest, and even then were still on the cliff? How does Buffalo sell 99% of their tickets but still only make $500,000 a night in gate?

My post was DRIPPING with sarcasm....seriously, this ain't Canada, it's the Devils in NJ...

We've never drawn large crowds, we've never drawn big on holidays, etc.

It's the middle of the week against Tampa on a Holiday. If I didn't have season tickets, this probably wouldn't be a game that I would go to.

And honestly...when has the attendance every figured into winning the Stanley Cup. I didn't know that counted.

I never said that attendance figured into winning the Stanley Cup....however, people preached on this board that attendance would pick up in the new arena....again if over the next 10 games that this team doesn't average 14,000 or more at a home game I'll be bringing this topic up again....and it shouldn't matter who they are playing or what day of the week or what other pro teams are playing....a loyal fan base is a loyal fan base and WILL should up for every game.

And honestly...when has the attendance every figured into winning the Stanley Cup. I didn't know that counted.

Apparently the folks in Anaheim and Carolina didn't know it counted either. lol

I went... and took a friend. What else do you want me to do?

I never said that attendance figured into winning the Stanley Cup....however, people preached on this board that attendance would pick up in the new arena....again if over the next 10 games that this team doesn't average 14,000 or more at a home game I'll be bringing this topic up again....and it shouldn't matter who they are playing or what day of the week or what other pro teams are playing....a loyal fan base is a loyal fan base and WILL should up for every game.

It will pick up....again you have to look at all the factors, which it seems you have a hard time doing.

And with that being said...I'm heading to bed because this topic has officially been beaten with a dead horse!

That's right...who cares that it was Halloween, there should have been more at that game tonight.

You need to realize that, due to the Devils existing for 25 years in a suburban setting, the majority of their fanbase is families. When you go to a Devils game you see tons more kids than you would in any city-based team's arena, say MSG or Wachovia Center. IMO, that makes Devils games great places to bring your kids, but the drawback is that when holidays and other events that are usually family-time type of things happen at the same time as a hockey game, the game takes second place.

You live far away and maybe didn't realize that about the Devils fanbase. I have no problem with 13k+ in paid tickets. Hell, 8k or 9k is about what the Devils were drawing at CAA on regular nights. Halloween against a non-divisional opponent would have brought 6k or 7k at CAA at best.

I never said that attendance figured into winning the Stanley Cup....however, people preached on this board that attendance would pick up in the new arena....again if over the next 10 games that this team doesn't average 14,000 or more at a home game I'll be bringing this topic up again....and it shouldn't matter who they are playing or what day of the week or what other pro teams are playing....a loyal fan base is a loyal fan base and WILL should up for every game.

No matter the sport other sporting events will always negatively effect another team. It was opening night for the Nets and I'm sure several other Devils fans are Nets fan so I'm sure some went to a more "significant" Nets game over a Devils game versus Tampa. And why does it matter to you what we draw in attendance. Do you own a stake in the team, does it affect your direct income. I didn't think so. The fans that can and want to go will go. All that really matters is that the team remains competitive and they remain profitable. Right now we are profitable.

I attended tonight and the crowd was pretty sparse, but I didn't expect a sell out on Halloween. There were very few children there for obvious reasons. I expect Friday to be a sell out.

Dude, the Red Wings were a trainwreck before their run during the Yzerman era and they're on their way to being a trainwreck again.

You still don't get it. You're looking at this through Canadian eyes. It is a different world here. You've gone on the road to a game in the US, right? I've gone to Game 7 in 2003 in Ottawa, which is probably the weakest of the six Canadian teams in the business department, and it is a totally different world.

The league is hurting in the US. Instead of calling us out on why we're not attending, you should wonder why this is happening. As I said, why is a team with Ovechkin drawing worse than us? What's going on in Dallas and Colorado? Why was Pittsburgh on the verge of going off the cliff until they won a ping-pong contest, and even then were still on the cliff? How does Buffalo sell 99% of their tickets but still only make $500,000 a night in gate?

And it's a different world here. The Canadian teams pay way more in taxes here than their American counterparts, and they still manage to put a competitive team on the ice and fill the stands. You say that it's different down in the U.S.....well maybe Bettman is looking at the wrong market and should like at putting teams back in Winnipeg, Quebec City or Hamilton.

Honestly, why is hockey having such a hard time attracting attendance in the US and it's not a problem within Canada?

I'm not trying to make this a personal attack, I like this debate...makes for a good conversation....

I went... and took a friend. What else do you want me to do?

LOL....you must take 10 friends with you.

Anyways...it's late here, early morning. I'll check in to this thread (if it's still open) in the morning. I just want to understand why in the Newark area that this team isn't filling the stands regardless of that day it is.

I like this kind of debate/conversation....I mean no disrespect to anyone, this is what this board is for....to debate and discuss...


Good Night all.

Well tonight was the home opener for the Nets against the Bulls. This is the first time Devils and Nets had a home game at the same time.
Nets and Devils attendence combined about 30k/35k (Just estimated on top of my head, Maybe 36k?) I think it is about right) For New Jersey sports I see that as a good attendence especially on a Wednesday on Halloween.

And it's a different world here. The Canadian teams pay way more in taxes here than their American counterparts, and they still manage to put a competitive team on the ice and fill the stands. You say that it's different down in the U.S.....well maybe Bettman is looking at the wrong market and should like at putting teams back in Winnipeg, Quebec City or Hamilton.

Honestly, why is hockey having such a hard time attracting attendance in the US and it's not a problem within Canada?

I'm not trying to make this a personal attack, I like this debate...makes for a good conversation....

Because the individual markets are smaller, even in a large market.

A baseball team in New York is going to draw different than a baseball team in say,
Red Deer. The market will be much, much larger, even if Red Deer was drawing out of two large somewhat nearby markets.

I don't think the NHL is doing a good job of growing it's base in the US. They are ignoring the base and trying to create another one out of casual fans and non-fans.
And they are failing, because they are not bringing in new fans and they are turning
off the old ones.

Want to fix the NHL in the US? The first step would be to leave the game alone.
They've gone too far already, but cannot afford to go any further from here. I think the lockout and the changes to the game chased away a significant, but not
large group of the existing fan base and "customers".

As for moving teams back into Canada, now would be a favorable time, but when things reverse back, the teams will just have to move back to the US again, in order to survive. They need balance. Should Ontario have another team? Yeah. Are there a couple of markets in the US that are total writeoffs, all things considered, counting their value, their drawing power, + their lease and profit/loss? Yes. But moving them into past failed markets in Canada is just a bandaid. The market is favorable for it but you'll just get into the same old problems again.

Stability is just the most important thing now. There also needs to be cost control.
It's a gate-driven league. When attendance goes down, this is a huge problem. BUT, since teams like the Leafs rake in even more US$ revenue, it makes the situation worse. The CAP is definately not what I expected it to be and it's going to get bigger, because $1 US is still $1 US no matter what it's worth in $CDN.

$400 for the first row uppers behind the goals for a family of four is cracked.
But, that's how the Devils do business. I would rather they do what Buffalo does (except for the marquee games) and just borderline give the tickets away, I think it's a better way to grow. But it won't be on the balance sheets. The Devils will gate more than Buffalo this year.

And it's a different world here. The Canadian teams pay way more in taxes here than their American counterparts, and they still manage to put a competitive team on the ice and fill the stands. You say that it's different down in the U.S.....well maybe Bettman is looking at the wrong market and should like at putting teams back in Winnipeg, Quebec City or Hamilton.

Honestly, why is hockey having such a hard time attracting attendance in the US and it's not a problem within Canada?


the average American that isnt a huge hockey fan but will watch a game every now and then doesn't give a hoot about a Canadian team so they are less likely to watch. A Canadian team being the finals the last three seasons has had a huge negative effect of the TV ratings, as well as nontraditional US hockey markets. Canadian teams hurt the appeal of the league in the US and a majority of the leagues income is from the US so they will continue to cater to the US.

Myself would love to see a 1 or 2 more Canadian teams but I can't see it happening anytime soon. In the leagues eyes its like a step backwards. Not saying I agree with that view but it just seems to be the case.

And it's a different world here. The Canadian teams pay way more in taxes here than their American counterparts, and they still manage to put a competitive team on the ice and fill the stands. You say that it's different down in the U.S.....well maybe Bettman is looking at the wrong market and should like at putting teams back in Winnipeg, Quebec City or Hamilton.

Honestly, why is hockey having such a hard time attracting attendance in the US and it's not a problem within Canada?

I'm not trying to make this a personal attack, I like this debate...makes for a good conversation....

Because the NHL markets itself poorly, and is also a "confused" sport. It wants to come across as a "mean" and "aggressive" game with lot's of "action". Yet the game is officiated against this, and the rules reflect that.

Teams don't market themselves well at all, the games are tough to find on TV, etc.

Americans, in general, are a stupid people. They understand simple things... like Football = Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Baseball = pretty much every day. Basketball = ball into ring = fun.

But they just love flashiness and overexposure. They eat the SportsCenter's ass and ask for seconds.

Hockey isn't good enough for them... and they aren't good enough for hockey.

I never said that attendance figured into winning the Stanley Cup....however, people preached on this board that attendance would pick up in the new arena....again if over the next 10 games that this team doesn't average 14,000 or more at a home game I'll be bringing this topic up again....and it shouldn't matter who they are playing or what day of the week or what other pro teams are playing....a loyal fan base is a loyal fan base and WILL should up for every game.

Ok, buddy you have NO CLUE what you are talking about, consider this:

1) Most of us on this board live in NJ. Life is much different in NJ than where u live in rural Canada. It's 10x more fast-paced, traffic stinks, and there is always so much to do. It's tough to take the family out to a midweek game, on a holiday nevertheless. Wheras your whole society is revolved around hockey, sometimes there are more important things to do. It's tough when you have 2 other teams within, i don't know, 100 miles from you. Up there I'm sure there's not another team for miles and miles.
2) ITS OCTOBER
3) ITS WEDNESDAY
4) ITS Halloween-many of our fans have kids, they have more imporant things to do.
5) The cost of living in NJ is high. Not alot of ppl can afford to just go out and blow a few $ on a Wednesday October night at a Devils game when they have to worry about the increasing property taxes in this state.

Well tonight was the home opener for the Nets against the Bulls. This is the first time Devils and Nets had a home game at the same time.
Nets and Devils attendence combined about 30k/35k (Just estimated on top of my head, Maybe 36k?) I think it is about right) For New Jersey sports I see that as a good attendence especially on a Wednesday on Halloween.

Speaking of which the Nets only drew 17,342! 2,707 short of a sell out on opening night with the Knicks not playing. Tell me Halloween doesn't doesn't hurt attendance.

Speaking of which the Nets only drew 17,342! 2,707 short of a sell out on opening night with the Knicks not playing. Tell me Halloween doesn't doesn't hurt attendance.

That's not because of Halloween, fewer and fewer people are going to be going to Nets games because of their eventual move to Brooklyn. Plus, I'm sure its even more of a pain in the rear to get to that place. You can't even seen the damn building anymore with that "ski slope" they're putting up now! :shakehead

I was at the game tonite and personally thought the crowd was weak. me included.?

That's not because of Halloween, fewer and fewer people are going to be going to Nets games because of their eventual move to Brooklyn. Plus, I'm sure its even more of a pain in the rear to get to that place. You can't even seen the damn building anymore with that "ski slope" they're putting up now! :shakehead

Reminds me how happy I am that we are now out of there!:handclap:

Still it was opening night and no Knicks and they were playing the Bulls. Even if it they only get 1 sellout this year I thought it would be opening night.

And it's a different world here. The Canadian teams pay way more in taxes here than their American counterparts, and they still manage to put a competitive team on the ice and fill the stands. You say that it's different down in the U.S.....well maybe Bettman is looking at the wrong market and should like at putting teams back in Winnipeg, Quebec City or Hamilton.

Honestly, why is hockey having such a hard time attracting attendance in the US and it's not a problem within Canada?

I'm not trying to make this a personal attack, I like this debate...makes for a good conversation....

I honestly think that Bettman should be looking at expanding into Canada. The markets are solid and the fanbase is strong. Stop trying to shoehorn hockey into odd markets in the US, already.

If you want to know what I think is the main reason hockey hasn't taken off and matched football or baseball or basketball in the US? It's the lack of American history in the NHL and the total lack of any American among the historic greats of the game and hall of famers. You're starting to see some great American players who drawing to the end of - or have recently finished - their careers only now. But there are no American players amongst the greats of the 40's 50's 60's or 70'. So Americans tend to think that it's a Canadian game, and what with football and baseball and their decades (centuries even) of great American history, why try to understand or follow some Canadian game?

Obviously, I don't feel that way, but I think that those who don't watch hockey do, subconsciously.

First of all we sold out the first game and for the second game, holy **** it was a WEDNESDAY GAME ON HALLOWEEN
What I loved was alot of Devils jerseys all over the trains and stations, we are out there in droves.

Reminds me how happy I am that we are now out of there!:handclap:

Still it was opening night and no Knicks and they were playing the Bulls. Even if it they only get 1 sellout this year I thought it would be opening night.

Yeah, I'm not going to be dissecting why they aren't selling out because I could care less about basketball, but I think it may be a leaguewide trend of people not coming to basketball games anymore. With the referee scandal, how do they know if the games are being played fairly anymore?

And I really dont want to hear from the guy from Edmonton why the attendance is bad on Halloween Night.
1. Alot of our fanbase is families, it was Halloween for christ sakes.
2. Not many NHL teams draw well on weekends.
We drew just about the same as Dallas tonight, a sports market with insanley loyal fans.

Yeah, I'm not going to be dissecting why they aren't selling out because I could care less about basketball, but I think it may be a leaguewide trend of people not coming to basketball games anymore. With the referee scandal, how do they know if the games are being played fairly anymore?

Good point. I don't think I'll be attending many, if any, Nets games this year. I've lost alot of interest over the last few years. I used to be a big Nets fans but it just doesn't interest me anymore. Plus I already spend too much money on Devils tickets, at least more then I can truly afford.

****** day for the NHL, the Kings clock in at a little over 11,000.

With our sad sack crowd, we still came in comfortably 2nd out of 4 for the night.

The Kings had actually been halfway decent lately and that was a blackout game, I think. Not on CI, that's for sure.

****** day for the NHL, the Kings clock in at a little over 11,000.

With our sad sack crowd, we still came in comfortably 2nd out of 4 for the night.

The Kings had actually been halfway decent lately and that was a blackout game, I think. Not on CI, that's for sure.

Exactly man, if we are drawing 14k on Halloween in the middle of the week, there is no problem. Friday will most likely sell out.

Attendance tonight was no issue.

13218 was the paid crowd. That is more acceptable.

11000 STH which is what was expected and a couple thousand walk ups minus the STH no shows.

I have ZERO issues tonight.

The problem is the media cannot wait to criticize the Devils in terms of attendance.


If we are not close to sold out on Friday I will eat my hat.There wasn't 2,000 walk ups tonight. You should have issues there was only 10,000 at most in the building.:teach:

There wasn't 2,000 walk ups tonight. You should have issues there was only 10,000 at most in the building.:teach:
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Halloween
Hallowe'en
HalloweenHallowe'en
A jack-o'-lantern
Also called All Hallows Eve
All Saints' Eve
Samhain Hallowed End
Observed by United Kingdom, United States, Ireland, Canada, sometimes Australia and New Zealand and many Latin American countries where it is known as Noche de las Brujas (Night of the Witches)[1]
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Halloween, or Hallowe'en, is a holiday celebrated on the night of October 31. Traditional activities include trick-or-treating, bonfires, costume parties, visiting "haunted houses" and carving jack-o-lanterns. The term Halloween (and its alternative rendering Hallowe'en) is shortened from All-hallow-even, as it is the eve of "All Hallows' Day",[1] also which is now known as All Saints' Day. Some modern Halloween traditions developed out of older pagan traditions, especially surrounding the Irish holiday Samhain, a day associated both with the harvest and otherworldly spirits. Irish and Scottish immigrants carried versions of the tradition to North America in the nineteenth century. Other western countries embraced the holiday in the late twentieth century. Halloween is now celebrated in several parts of the Western world, most commonly in Ireland, the United States, Canada, Puerto Rico, and the United Kingdom and occasionally in parts of Australia and New Zealand.

There wasn't 2,000 walk ups tonight. You should have issues there was only 10,000 at most in the building.:teach:

Well then we have a ton of STH ifthe paid crowd was 13218.

The reason I say that is someone who buys tickets for tonights game is going to show up. A STH might eat their tickets tonight which would account for the no show.

If there were only 1000 walkups tonight and the paid crowd was 13218 and there was 10000 in the building at most then there are a lot of people who had tickets and did not show.

Were you there tonight? I know it was Halloween and I wasnt expecting a crowd because of it, but I'd say there were maybe 8,500 or 9,000 there.The truth!!!!:handclap:

Well then we have a ton of STH ifthe paid crowd was 13218.

Don't forget "counted comps". There were over 1,000 last year, probably a little less, but still alot, this year.

Those 75 VIP seats count as "sold" by NHL methods.

I have to agree, there was very little walk-up, the balcony and mezz were *dead*.
And that's where alot of the walkup would be. The balcony was only busy on the north side where they had the 2 for 1's.

Why are we all of a sudden concerned about actual show ups? The Rangers have had nights where 10,000 showed up and the attendance was nicely filled in as (18,200) 100%. Considering the day and holiday, I think our actual paid was fine.
LA had a PA of 11,000, and thats a market that usually draws well. The Dallas attendance is staggering though.
Anyway, close this thread so we can talk about our team that just lit the **** out of Team Vinny.

Look people the arena holds 17625. That is club seats, the mezz, the balcony, etc. That is the total capacity

If 4200 tickets were not sold tonight I am sorry....but I do not see the issue with that.

Maybe there were 11 people in the building. 13218 tickets were sold or there was a misprint.

Why are we all of a sudden concerned about actual show ups? The Rangers have had nights where 10,000 showed up and the attendance was nicely filled in as (18,200) 100%. Considering the day and holiday, I think our actual paid was fine.
LA had a PA of 11,000, and thats a market that usually draws well. The Dallas attendance is staggering though.
Anyway, close this thread so we can talk about our team that just lit the **** out of Team Vinny.

+ 1 1/2.


The Devils made more money tonight then a sell out at the CAA.

Don't be too sure. The league has killed alot of their base. I know at least a couple of people that are done as "customers.

Yeah but the Devils attendance started declining at the CAA after that 4 year run of 16000 + a game. That was before the lockou.

I say it was the rise in ticket prices and other factors.

But the point is it is not like those Devils fans are suddenly not Devils fans anymore. You think we won 3 cups and they became Ranger fans and wanted to watch them miss the playoffs every year up until the last couple?

Again, our paid attendance was at a number where our weekend showings usually fell.
We will be fine. Weekend games will be close to sellouts or sold out, weekday night games will have lower attendance.
Simple as that.
We do not have an owner who fills in empty seats magically with a pen like Mr. Dolan.

It's been said more than once here already, but;
I don't care if there's three guys in the stands, NJ beat the **** out of TB tonight, the team looked great, bottom line.
A win is a win. Sellout or not.
The first win at The Rock. That's what the players should remember. Not how many empty seats there were, just that they got the win at home.

Islanders paid attendance for their last SATURDAY home game.
13,136
Yeah, stop crying people.

Yeah but the Devils attendance started declining at the CAA after that 4 year run of 16000 + a game. That was before the lockou.

I say it was the rise in ticket prices and other factors.

But the point is it is not like those Devils fans are suddenly not Devils fans anymore. You think we won 3 cups and they became Ranger fans and wanted to watch them miss the playoffs every year up until the last couple?

No, I think they stopped spending money and in some cases stopped following the sport. You can see it everywhere.

I know a couple of people that the Devils did a favor for, they let them purchase playoff tickets for their old seats, in '06, even though they didn't reup after the lockout. One group went to the first game and didn't come back.

The lockout did damage. I think the rule changes did damage too. You have to admit, it's a different game now. Alot of people were up in arms about how the Ducks played (I mean, look at Luongo whining the 'Nucks right out of the playoffs), and they were pretty damn mild compared to the way things used to be.

It is a more passive skill game now, and the passivity sometimes gets in the way of the skill. Not everyone wants to see that. And it's not as if the people that *****ed about C&G and the trap and everything like that are running out to buy tickets to replace them.

It's Halloween. Did people really expect a sell-out tonight? New arena or not, children accompanied by their parents make up a VERY large part of a hockey game's attendance. Not many kid's are going to prefer going to a hockey game over trick-or-treating, therefore their parents won't be there either. The fact that they sold as many tickets as they did is a huge accomplishment.

People also just have to realize that the devils will never draw as much as certain teams do. It's like that in all sports. However, if they can average 14.5+ with about 15 sellouts, compared to not even selling out a game all year, then the new arena is a major improvement and attendance will no longer be a problem.

14756 was the largest crowd of the 4 games tonight between Chicago and Dallas.

If game 7 of the world series was tonight would people not use their tickets? Holloween is a retarded excuse but , if 13,218 fans really showed up I would be pleased. I expected this to be our worse crowd of the year. If we can put up some wins we'll draw pretty well most of the year.

How is halloween a retarded excuse if teams like Dallas drew 14k and LA drew 11k?
Its more than legit.

How is halloween a retarded excuse if teams like Dallas drew 14k and LA drew 11k?
Its more than legit.We didn't do all too bad in comparison to Dallas or L.A, and I was not at those games to see how many really showed up. If there was a NFL game tonight or a World Series game Halloween is not a factor for those. Why wouldn't you want to celebrate Halloween at a hockey game or other sporting event? If any Canadian team had played tonight the attendance would have not been a problem due to silly Haloween.:hhal::witch::jol::wbrew::vampire::blackc at:

We didn't do all too bad in comparison to Dallas or L.A, and I was not at those games to see how many really showed up. If there was a NFL game tonight or a World Series game Halloween is not a factor for those. Why wouldn't you want to celebrate Halloween at a hockey game or other sporting event? If any Canadian team had played tonight the attendance would have not been a problem due to silly Haloween.:hhal::witch::jol::wbrew::vampire::blackc at:

:shakehead
The proof is in the pudding.
Holy ****, where is the "omg attendance ohnoes" threads for the Isles? They drew the same amount on a Saturday night game.
Everyone has to relax.

All I have to say is that there was no reason to bring East Bumble**** Saskatchewan into this...

:shakehead
The proof is in the pudding.
Holy ****, where is the "omg attendance ohnoes" threads for the Isles? They drew the same amount on a Saturday night game.
Everyone has to relax.I be chilling I just be saying.:yo:

:shakehead
The proof is in the pudding.
Holy ****, where is the "omg attendance ohnoes" threads for the Isles? They drew the same amount on a Saturday night game.
Everyone has to relax.

While I dont agree with the people flipping out about it...I would think the reasoning is that NJ just opened a brand new state of the art arena that we were all told would completely turn around the attendance problem.

17,342


The Nets home attendance number tonight. 10 miles away, against the Bulls, Home opener, at the same time.


Had the NETS opened on the road, add about 1500 people to our attendance tonight.

[QUOTE=SilverSeven;11013132]While I dont agree with the people flipping out about it...I would think the reasoning is that NJ just opened a brand new state of the art arena that we were all told would completely turn around the attendance problem.[/QUOTEWell it sort of has. For one we all ready have our first sellout and tonight we had 13,000 paid customers. Thats about 3,000 more over last years. Yes this is still poor too your standards up north, but for us its a pretty big upgrade.

At this point I don't care if they don't sell out every game. It's not like the team is in any danger of moving to another city. Even if the raw attendance numbers aren't great Vanderbeek should still make money off the arena right? Besides, it was Halloween, and yes that does make a difference. I don't know why anyone with kids would want the hassle of going to a hockey game tonight.

While I dont agree with the people flipping out about it...I would think the reasoning is that NJ just opened a brand new state of the art arena that we were all told would completely turn around the attendance problem.

First of all if this game were at the Meadowlands it would have drawn about 7900, like a game on a Tuesday night that wasn't even Haloween last year vs. the Islanders.

Second, and this is the Devils fault, 14,125 seats in this building cost $65 or more. I'm sorry, but you just aren't going to find that many people in this state, many other states for that matter to pay that kind of money for a Tuesday night game vs. Tampa Bay on a family holiday, or any other night. Our players are going to be looking at a sea of empty $65 seats on most nights when they line up for the athem or anthems. You know it's bad when tickets STILL remain for Ranger games in the $95 seats. If Vanderbeek is so open to fan input, let some of us market the team and set reasonable price ranges for seats.

They really need to go to a tier pricing system for games. Those $65 seats should have been $30 tonight and you would have seen close to a sellout, and I don't mean those secret code deals that 25 people on a message board know about. Make those seats $65 for Ranger games and have a big crowd and make money on both nights.

Finally, when was the last time the Devils even had a home game on Halloween? I've been going to games religiously since 1993 and don't remember one in that time. There has to be a reason for that, and tonight's crowd was that reason.

First of all if this game were at the Meadowlands it would have drawn about 7900, like a game on a Tuesday night that wasn't even Haloween last year vs. the Islanders.

Second, and this is the Devils fault, 14,125 seats in this building cost $65 or more. I'm sorry, but you just aren't going to find that many people in this state, many other states for that matter to pay that kind of money for a Tuesday night game vs. Tampa Bay on a family holiday, or any other night. Our players are going to be looking at a sea of empty $65 seats on most nights when they line up for the athem or anthems. You know it's bad when tickets STILL remain for Ranger games in the $95 seats. If Vanderbeek is so open to fan input, let some of us market the team and set reasonable price ranges for seats.

They really need to go to a tier pricing system for games. Those $65 seats should have been $30 tonight and you would have seen close to a sellout, and I don't mean those secret code deals that 25 people on a message board know about. Make those seats $65 for Ranger games and have a big crowd and make money on both nights.

Finally, when was the last time the Devils even had a home game on Halloween? I've been going to games religiously since 1993 and don't remember one in that time. There has to be a reason for that, and tonight's crowd was that reason.

They're not going to do the "Buffalo" model from seasons past, cheap tickets to fill the building. It's not the Devils' way.

I don't know what it's going to take for them to market the team properly. I thought the new building would be it, that they just mailed it in the last few years
at CAA because it was a hopeless case.

Obviously, it isn't. This team could be run more efficiently, off the ice, by its fans.
That's pretty sad. Fire some of those ****ers and I'll work there part time for half of what they're making. Seriously.

You got $8,000+ for two ST's in the areas that are available? Or $6,000 for the top row uppers behind the net?

People like to criticize without *knowing*.

If they really had 13,000+ sold with that crap crowd, they have a decent base.

What you all should do is look at the boxscores and realize the NHL as you know it
is D-E-A-D. So, instead of knocking the fans, the people that write those articles
should wonder "gee, why is that happening?". Especially when Colorado and Dallas
are down. A team that has Ovechkin is getting crowds *worse* than this particular
crowd.

I don't know how the Florida Panthers don't go out of business. Nashville is dead.
Atlanta is dead, this season will finish them off unless they turn it around. Detriot
is suffering, Boston is suffering (and Julienball isn't going to put ***** in the seats), Chicago is a rotted burnt out hulk. Columbus starts winning, they stop drawing. Phoenix still has a hockey team? I could go on and on and on and on.

yeah being an out of market fan for the wings they are suffering but, from what a i heard from some buds on the wings board the economy is bad and it's hard for the wings fans to afford tickets....but, still not in the dire straits of some citys. either way it hurts the nhl..b/c they depend on city's like detroit for revenue to bail out canadien citys...so who knows ... gary your nhl may not be working....we all know that but this is an economy issue not garys nhl issue at least in that city imo.

yeah being an out of market fan for the wings they are suffering but, from what a i heard from some buds on the wings board the economy is bad and it's hard for the wings fans to afford tickets....but, still not in the dire straits of some citys. either way it hurts the nhl..b/c they depend on city's like detroit for revenue to bail out canadien citys...so who knows ... gary your nhl may not be working....we all know that but this is an economy issue not garys nhl issue at least in that city imo.

!!!! Where have you been??? You should check who contributes to income sharing these days...

And people, don't blame Canadians or TSN (like one did!!) for the way the game has been changed, league offices are now in New York, not Montreal, with a bone thrown to Toronto.....methinks its the hard hitting Canadian game you are missing, welcome to the new blend....with Euro soccer "more passive" style (as remarmed by one poster) slowly taking over. One doesn't want to go back to 70's "Flyer" hockey / "Slapshot" hockey, that was a bit over the top, but give us back our game Buttman...

On attendance, yes it is worrysome that an established franchise is usually no where near selling out on average, Hallowe'en or no, differential ticket prices for week days and certain less attractive opponents, also as mentioned by another poster, could help; better sell a few at $50 than none at $85. (Jeez, as a Canadian I am jealous of your prices.....)

Three Franchises in the greater NY area......doesn't another in the Southern Ontario market make sense? Gate driven league, until that most elusive lucrative American TV contract comes along, trying to sow seeds in the desert (ie "grow" the game) hasn't worked, one argument not to expand in Southern Ontario is that it doesn't create new fans...but it would sell more tickets, and increase average league revenues!!!

I could ramble on, but...

While I dont agree with the people flipping out about it...I would think the reasoning is that NJ just opened a brand new state of the art arena that we were all told would completely turn around the attendance problem.
It was a Wednesday night and Halloween, we drew virtually the same as the Dallas Stars on the same night. We drew 3000 more than LA.
Again, weekend games will be sold out/close to sold out, weekdays will suffer a tad unless its a big matchup.
The Devils are making a ton of more money, thats all that matters. As for all these Canadians with skinned knees (about the lack of Ontario teams) and their noses turned up in the air , take it somewhere else, make sure you stop by the Dallas/Florida and LA boards with the same comments.

Everyone......relax. I've done some homework.

I did a search on Ticketmaster for tomorrow night's game against Toronto. The only priced seats available for the Toronto game tomorrow night are the $95 seats. All other priced tickets are SOLD OUT(Except for the walk up $10 seats of course)!!! So expect a very, VERY good and LOUD crowd tomorrow night. After last night's win, I'd be surprised if the Rock isn't 'Rock'-ing tomorrow night.

Halloween + Weak draw in Tampa bay + Nets opening night, with a strong draw in Chicago = Bad attendance night for the Devils. That's all it was. Really, I know a bunch of Devils fans who are also Nets season ticket holders. And I bet the corporate season ticket holders for the Devils have Nets seats as well. And can you remember the last time the Nets and Devils played a home game at the exact same time? I'm betting on never.

Relax everyone. It'll be fine.

Islanders paid attendance for their last SATURDAY home game.
13,136
Yeah, stop crying people.

...but isn't their arena out in the boonies and over 30 years old. You'd think that having a new arena people would flock to it to check it out.

...but isn't their arena out in the boonies and over 30 years old. You'd think that having a new arena people would flock to it to check it out.

You just don't get it...and I don't think you ever will. So, just stop with the attendance crap already!

...but isn't their arena out in the boonies and over 30 years old. You'd think that having a new arena people would flock to it to check it out.
Explain 11,000 in LA and 14,000 in Dallas. People did flock to it to check it out, on Saturday and on this Friday they will to if the ticketmaster is an indication.
Christ, can you enjoy a win?

Explain 11,000 in LA and 14,000 in Dallas. People did flock to it to check it out, on Saturday and on this Friday they will to if the ticketmaster is an indication.
Christ, can you enjoy a win?

Unfortunately when you win 6-1, attendance is the only thing they can say sucked about last night.

That's how it always is....:shakehead

Unfortunately when you win 6-1, attendance is the only thing they can say sucked about last night.

That's how it always is....:shakehead
People better get used to so-so crowds on Weekday nights, thats the nature of the league and our culture/economy. LA isnt exactly in the "boonies" and they drew 3000 less fans last night.
But I forgot, Halloween has nothing to do with it. The fact that attendance was low around the league last night was some kind of fluke.

Explain 11,000 in LA and 14,000 in Dallas. People did flock to it to check it out, on Saturday and on this Friday they will to if the ticketmaster is an indication.
Christ, can you enjoy a win?

I did enjoy the win...and if you are tired with this thread/conversation you can stop reading it and ignore it. No one is pressuring you to continue reading it.

I did enjoy the win...and if you are tired with this thread/conversation you can stop reading it and ignore it. No one is pressuring you to continue reading it.
Because I like proving people wrong who think their is a problem when we out draw a major market by 3000 on Halloween.
If HF wasnt run by the Gestapo I would start threads on the Kings, Panthers and Stars board with the topic line "Waa Waa Attendance".

Because I like proving people wrong who think their is a problem when we out draw a major market by 3000 on Halloween.
If HF wasnt run by the Gestapo I would start threads on the Kings, Panthers and Stars board with the topic line "Waa Waa Attendance".

Well, lets see how the next 5 homes games add up. Yes, Friday should be a sell out...but usually where ever the Leafs play, that arena sells out. People said several months ago that attendance would pick up greatly in a new arena....hopefully the Devils can have about 30 sell outs this season in their new arena.

I'm just sick and tired of the media grinning at the attendance for the Devils. They (the media) never seem to observe the fact this team has had pretty good success on the ice (3 Cups, many playoff appearances) over the last several years...but they are quick to bring up the attendance issue (and their style of play...don't get me started on that one - if a system works why stop using it)...and again I'm sick of hearing it. The only way to shut these guys up is for fans to fill the seats.

Newest building in the NHL. Newest building in the NY Metro in the last 25 years (which was shoved down our throats more than once). Highly accessible by train or car. 2nd home game.

The Halloween argument might have some legs. But the 2nd game in a new building where attendance is virtually the same as the old building is concerning.

Wasn't the new arena supposed to erase all attendance problems? It's fair to wait and see what happens in the next month, but you would think right off the bat the place would be 90% capacity for at least the first few games.

If I wasn't a season ticket holder, last night would not have been my first choice of games to go to!!!

It'll all come together in time. Give it a few games before you make assessments about the new arena.

Lock this thread, please.

Second, and this is the Devils fault, 14,125 seats in this building cost $65 or more. I'm sorry, but you just aren't going to find that many people in this state, many other states for that matter to pay that kind of money

Especially in this state, where the crooked politicians literally invent new ways to tax people. People are moving out of New Jersey at a positively ALARMING rate.

Especially in this state, where the crooked politicians literally invent new ways to tax people. People are moving out of New Jersey at a positively ALARMING rate.

People are moving out at an alarming rate because there are less and less jobs in NJ left. Big companies like AT&T used to have a huge presence in NJ. Nowadays its probably just one small office somewhere.

I moved out of NJ cause there just wasn't any jobs at the time while I was looking.

Newest building in the NHL. Newest building in the NY Metro in the last 25 years (which was shoved down our throats more than once). Highly accessible by train or car. 2nd home game.

The Halloween argument might have some legs. But the 2nd game in a new building where attendance is virtually the same as the old building is concerning.

Wasn't the new arena supposed to erase all attendance problems? It's fair to wait and see what happens in the next month, but you would think right off the bat the place would be 90% capacity for at least the first few games.

If you look at the weeknight attendance numbers over the last few seasons at CAA, you'd see the attendance was not the same but was indeed higher than the norm.
Weeknight games the Devils really need to work on the corporate crowd because the family crowd is not going to make as many games. Speaking for myself, I live an hour and a half away in CT, when we split up our season tickets, I took 1 weeknight game. By the time I get home from the arena, I'm usually looking at maybe 5 hours of sleep before I have to get up for work the next day, and I don't even have kids yet. My friends and family who do, almost never go to week night games. Its just the reality of it.

Newest building in the NHL. Newest building in the NY Metro in the last 25 years (which was shoved down our throats more than once). Highly accessible by train or car. 2nd home game.

You seem to have a real problem with that? Why?

Everyone......relax. I've done some homework.

I did a search on Ticketmaster for tomorrow night's game against Toronto. The only priced seats available for the Toronto game tomorrow night are the $95 seats. All other priced tickets are SOLD OUT(Except for the walk up $10 seats of course)!!! So expect a very, VERY good and LOUD crowd tomorrow night. After last night's win, I'd be surprised if the Rock isn't 'Rock'-ing tomorrow night.


Not true, as you didnt search properly. There are PLENTY of Mezzanine seats available, just like there will be at just about every game this year due to the fact they are priced ridiculously expensively and no one wants to sit there at that price. The Upper Level is 100% sold out (not even singles available) and the best available lower bowls are high corners, which suggests the lower level will sell out. This Mezzanine issue is a cluster**** however.

I dunno which feed Center Ice was using last night but the announcers sounded like Ranger homers. They kept criticizing the Devils low attendence for the night and claim we still play the trap. Then they claimed it was because of the trap that tampa wasn't getting too many shots off.

Well, lets see how the next 5 homes games add up. Yes, Friday should be a sell out...but usually where ever the Leafs play, that arena sells out.

Devils home opener last year against the leafs sold just over 14,000 tickets.

new building same old attendence. Halloween had very little to do with it! its just the way it is, its not a problem for us fans, but if I were vanderbeek I would worry about it... this is the SECOND home game and he cant fill the arena? Vanderbeek should be worried.... I will tell you one thing, if vanderbeek cant get many sellouts, say bye to 10 dollar seats! he needs to make some money.... the more people come to games the more concessions and souveniers they buy........ I am not bothered by attendence, but vanderbeek should be....seeing EMPTY sections last night at your SECOND home game in history at a brand new arena is pathetic, no denying that!!!

Someone said maybe if bonjovi played for the devils they might get more in seats, LOL.......


the game was great last night, I do NOT have a problem with attendence because I like the shorter lines, but vanderbeek should be very concerned that he didnt have close to a sell out in his second home game of a brand new arena..... Blamin halloween is BS, because halloween is not like christmas..... its a BS holiday, that made up to sell products and business to make money! its a billion dollar holiday to seel BS items!

You seem to have a real problem with that? Why?
Oh those poor, unfairly treated Rangers fans that have to deal with us snooty Devils fans and our new arena. :rolleyes:
Like we dont have to deal with that fact that even if they have 20 fans in MSG the game is reported as 18,200.
Overtime, if its such BS, why did LA, who usually draws 17k drew 11k and Dallas who usually sells out, drew 14k?

I dunno which feed Center Ice was using last night but the announcers sounded like Ranger homers. They kept criticizing the Devils low attendence for the night and claim we still play the trap. Then they claimed it was because of the trap that tampa wasn't getting too many shots off.

Not shocking. Those TB announcers are BRUTAL. A Lightning player could smack someone in the face with a stick and they'd say he the victim moved their head into the path of the stick. It's absolutely embarrasing how bad they are. I would complain if I were a ning' fan.

I dunno which feed Center Ice was using last night but the announcers sounded like Ranger homers. They kept criticizing the Devils low attendence for the night and claim we still play the trap. Then they claimed it was because of the trap that tampa wasn't getting too many shots off.
Tampa announcers are just upset that if there 3 pro players are stopped, they cant win with their AHL roster (i.e. rest of team).

new building same old attendence. Halloween had very little to do with it! its just the way it is, its not a problem for us fans, but if I were vanderbeek I would worry about it... this is the SECOND home game and he cant fill the arena? Vanderbeek should be worried.... I will tell you one thing, if vanderbeek cant get many sellouts, say bye to 10 dollar seats! he needs to make some money.... the more people come to games the more concessions and souveniers they buy........ I am not bothered by attendence, but vanderbeek should be....seeing EMPTY sections last night at your SECOND home game in history at a brand new arena is pathetic, no denying that!!!

Someone said maybe if bonjovi played for the devils they might get more in seats, LOL.......


the game was great last night, I do NOT have a problem with attendence because I like the shorter lines, but vanderbeek should be very concerned that he didnt have close to a sell out in his second home game of a brand new arena..... Blamin halloween is BS, because halloween is not like christmas..... its a BS holiday, that made up to sell products and business to make money! its a billion dollar holiday to seel BS items!


Okay...so let's see...It's the middle of the week, it's Halloween (and we have a FAMILY oriented team), it's the Lightning, who are still without a Road win....and 13,000+ is what you get.

If Halloween had very little to do with it, can you explain why other arenas had very low attendance last night also?

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter if there were 5 people there last night. 13,000+ paid for tickets and if they didn't show up that's not Vanderbeek's fault.

Overtime, if its such BS, why did LA, who usually draws 17k drew 11k and Dallas who usually sells out, drew 14k?

because halloween is BS.


Screw LA and Dallas, they dont have BRAND NEW ARENAS that just opened....

Do you think Vanderbeek should care if LA or Dallas sells out? NO. I dont care if we never have a sell out, but all im saying is vanderbeek should be very concerned!!!!


Halloween is a stupid holiday... do we get days off from it? NO. its a hall mark holiday!

I will tell you one thing, if vanderbeek cant get many sellouts, say bye to 10 dollar seats! he needs to make some money...

Well for one thing, there SHOULDNT be any $10 seats, it's positively stupid. Make them $20 and make the $25s sell for $30 and the $35s sell for $40. You could use this additional revenue to help pull the Mezzanine seats down to $90 and hopefully actually SELL some of them.

Okay...so let's see...It's the middle of the week, it's Halloween (and we have a FAMILY oriented team), it's the Lightning, who are still without a Road win....and 13,000+ is what you get.

If Halloween had very little to do with it, can you explain why other arenas had very low attendance last night also?

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter if there were 5 people there last night. 13,000+ paid for tickets and if they didn't show up that's not Vanderbeek's fault.


I didnt say it was vanderbeeks FAULT, I said he should be very concerned if he doesnt get sellouts in his SECOND home game in history at a brand new arena.... I dont give a **** if we only 10000 every night but he should be concerned, I didnt say its his fault, but he should be very concerned!!!!

did schools close for halloween? did business close for halloween? NO... halloween is not a real holiday!!!!

Well for one thing, there SHOULDNT be any $10 seats, it's positively stupid. Make them $20 and make the $25s sell for $30 and the $35s sell for $40. You could use this additional revenue to help pull the Mezzanine seats down to $90 and hopefully actually SELL some of them.

Hey...don't knock the $10 seats!!!

Just because those mezzanine seats are over-priced doesn't mean the people in the cheap seats should suffer!

because halloween is BS.


Screw LA and Dallas, they dont have BRAND NEW ARENAS that just opened....

Do you think Vanderbeek should care if LA or Dallas sells out? NO. I dont care if we never have a sell out, but all im saying is vanderbeek should be very concerned!!!!


Halloween is a stupid holiday... do we get days off from it? NO. its a hall mark holiday!
People like to ignore facts and stats with their own opinion. Riddle me this.
A holiday that caters to children on a weekday night + a team that has alot of family draw + some of the most expensive priced tix in the league = A lower attended game.
LA and Dallas play in nice ass arenas by the way, each team down 6,000 and 4,000 on average respectively on Halloween, for a reason.
Your own personal opinion of Halloween doesnt stop the fact that children and families are trick or treating between the times of 5PM and 9PM. Holy ****.

Well for one thing, there SHOULDNT be any $10 seats, it's positively stupid. Make them $20 and make the $25s sell for $30 and the $35s sell for $40. You could use this additional revenue to help pull the Mezzanine seats down to $90 and hopefully actually SELL some of them.

or just sell seats at a discount just before the game. There should be $10 seats because alot of students would not go if it was any higher. Some students don't have alot of cash on hand.

Well for one thing, there SHOULDNT be any $10 seats, it's positively stupid. Make them $20 and make the $25s sell for $30 and the $35s sell for $40. You could use this additional revenue to help pull the Mezzanine seats down to $90 and hopefully actually SELL some of them.


empty 10 dollar seats again, in every section for 10 dollar seats... I know this from a fact, as I called my contact with the NJ devils.... every 10 dollar section had at least 1 empty seats....

I didnt say it was vanderbeeks FAULT, I said he should be very concerned if he doesnt get sellouts in his SECOND home game in history at a brand new arena.... I dont give a **** if we only 10000 every night but he should be concerned, I didnt say its his fault, but he should be very concerned!!!!

did schools close for halloween? did business close for halloween? NO... halloween is not a real holiday!!!!

There's no reason to be concerned!

This thread has been blown so out of proportion it's ridiculous. If it was this Friday's game and we drew that crowd, then maybe I would start getting concerned.

We almost had the highest attendance for the night in the league and people are upset, its incredible.
What I find funny is how the LA Kings game, which drew 11,000 fans, did not have a single mention of that in the AP report yet our game has the attendance in the second paragraph.

I didnt say it was vanderbeeks FAULT, I said he should be very concerned if he doesnt get sellouts in his SECOND home game in history at a brand new arena.... I dont give a **** if we only 10000 every night but he should be concerned, I didnt say its his fault, but he should be very concerned!!!!

did schools close for halloween? did business close for halloween? NO... halloween is not a real holiday!!!!

Why should he be worried? He sold 13,000 plus seats. So what if only 8 or 9 thousand actually showed up, he still got the money from them. Selling 4,000 less than capacity on a weeknight aint too shabby.

Especially since going into last night we were the worst team in the league. Playing another bottom of the barrel team. On a weeknight. That happens to be one of the biggest days of the "kid year" to coin a phrase from Ralphie.

There is no reason for concern, Friday night will be a full house.

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Why should he be worried? He sold 13,000 plus seats. So what if only 8 or 9 thousand actually showed up, he still got the money from them. Selling 4,000 less than capacity on a weeknight aint too shabby.

Especially since going into last night we were the worst team in the league. Playing another bottom of the barrel team. On a weeknight. That happens to be one of the biggest days of the "kid year" to coin a phrase from Ralphie.

There is no reason for concern, Friday night will be a full house.

YAY!!!! Another person that gets it!! :handclap:

No reason for concern at all!!

Hey...don't knock the $10 seats!!!

Just because those mezzanine seats are over-priced doesn't mean the people in the cheap seats should suffer!

Hey I'm not knocking them, I'm a fellow "cheap-seater" myself over in the $35s. But I'm also a businessman, and there is money being left on the table here, and yeah, that cash could be used to lower those silly mezzanine prices. I promise you this will happen within the next 2 years, and most probably next year. It's a simple function of supply and demand. Perhaps they will leave the $10 seats as a positive gesture and as token "affordable seating for all" yada, yada, yads, but look for those $25s and $35s to be taken up in price. It's gonna happen.

Hey I'm not knocking them, I'm a fellow "cheap-seater" myself over in the $35s. But I'm also a businessman, and there is money being left on the table here, and yeah, that cash could be used to lower those silly mezzanine prices. I promise you this will happen within the next 2 years, and most probably next year. It's a simple function of supply and demand. Perhaps they will leave the $10 seats as a positive gesture and as token "affordable seating for all" yada, yada, yads, but look for those $25s and $35s to be taken up in price. It's gonna happen.

It might happen in a few years but not right away. If Vanderbeek was smart, he would lower the prices of those other tickets first to see if they would sell them faster!

People like to ignore facts and stats with their own opinion. Riddle me this.
A holiday that caters to children on a weekday night + a team that has alot of family draw + some of the most expensive priced tix in the league = A lower attended game.
LA and Dallas play in nice ass arenas by the way, each team down 6,000 and 4,000 on average respectively on Halloween, for a reason.
Your own personal opinion of Halloween doesnt stop the fact that children and families are trick or treating between the times of 5PM and 9PM. Holy ****.

riddle me this...

does vanderbeek give a **** if LA or dallas sells out?

Vanderbeek should be very concerned that he didnt get a sell out in his SECOND HOME GAME in HISTORY OF A BRAND NEW ARENA....

thats all im saying...... vanderbeek should be concerned that in his beautiful arena he doesnt get a sellout in his second home game..... he knew for monthas that the game was on a BS holiday...

riddle me this...

does vanderbeek give a **** if LA or dallas sells out?

Vanderbeek should be very concerned that he didnt get a sell out in his SECOND HOME GAME in HISTORY OF A BRAND NEW ARENA....

thats all im saying...... vanderbeek should be concerned that in his beautiful arena he doesnt get a sellout in his second home game..... he knew for monthas that the game was on a BS holiday...

The fact that you keep thinking this game would even be remotely close to a sellout is a JOKE!:help:

There's no reason to panic yet....my goodness!! :shakehead

I'm a Ranger fan....but I live in Bayonne and definitely want to check out the new place..it looks awesome..I may come to the game, on Saturday. I'm guessing there are decent seats available?

How is the parking, and how much is it?

YAY!!!! Another person that gets it!! :handclap:

No reason for concern at all!!



I understand and AGREE with our side of the discussion, but I am just saying from a corporate point of view that is a Concern that some seats werent sold in the second home game...... if he doesnt sell out he doesnt make the full amount of money he can make, so it is a concern for him!

riddle me this...

does vanderbeek give a **** if LA or dallas sells out?

Vanderbeek should be very concerned that he didnt get a sell out in his SECOND HOME GAME in HISTORY OF A BRAND NEW ARENA....

thats all im saying...... vanderbeek should be concerned that in his beautiful arena he doesnt get a sellout in his second home game..... he knew for monthas that the game was on a BS holiday...
You are completley lost.
So when the average fan is buying single tickets, is he going to the first game or the second game of the year in a new arena? No one is selling out an arena on Halloween on a Wednesday night sorry.

The fact that you keep thinking this game would even be remotely close to a sellout is a JOKE!:help:

There's no reason to panic yet....my goodness!! :shakehead

I NEVER THOUGHT that.........:shakehead


I just said, for the millionth time, that Vanderbeek should be worried that it wasnt.....

Im not worried or concerned, but he should be!!! Every seat not sold on any night is money he is losing!!!!

riddle me this...

does vanderbeek give a **** if LA or dallas sells out?

Vanderbeek should be very concerned that he didnt get a sell out in his SECOND HOME GAME in HISTORY OF A BRAND NEW ARENA....

thats all im saying...... vanderbeek should be concerned that in his beautiful arena he doesnt get a sellout in his second home game..... he knew for monthas that the game was on a BS holiday...

Exactly!!! He knew for months about the game on Halloween, hence he doesn't really care when we get a crowd like that, he expected it.

But hey, if you still wanna gripe about it, look at the good side, the Devils finally felt at home playing to a half empty arena.

I understand and AGREE with our side of the discussion, but I am just saying from a corporate point of view that is a Concern that some seats werent sold in the second home game...... if he doesnt sell out he doesnt make the full amount of money he can make, so it is a concern for him!

He sold 13,000+ tickets for the game last night...that is more than we would normally get at CAA...so, how is he not making money on the game?

He may not make the full amount...but he made money!

Hey I'm not knocking them, I'm a fellow "cheap-seater" myself over in the $35s. But I'm also a businessman, and there is money being left on the table here, and yeah, that cash could be used to lower those silly mezzanine prices. I promise you this will happen within the next 2 years, and most probably next year. It's a simple function of supply and demand. Perhaps they will leave the $10 seats as a positive gesture and as token "affordable seating for all" yada, yada, yads, but look for those $25s and $35s to be taken up in price. It's gonna happen.

I really don't understand you logic with this. Increasing the $10 seats to $20 makes little sense because that section has the least amount of seats in it. You're not going to make more sales in that section. You have to attack the Mezzanine level where people WOULD buy those seats if they werent $65. If you made them $45 or so many more people would buy those seats and you'd be making more money. I don't see how highering the prices of seats that will be sold consistently. You have to lower the prices of the places that aren't selling.

I NEVER THOUGHT that.........:shakehead


I just said, for the millionth time, that Vanderbeek should be worried that it wasnt.....

Im not worried or concerned, but he should be!!! Every seat not sold on any night is money he is losing!!!!

HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE WORRIED AT ALL!!!

If we draw that on Friday, then maybe he should look into things, but not a Wednesday night on Halloween, with a crappy team on both sides of the ice!

You are completley lost.
So when the average fan is buying single tickets, is he going to the first game or the second game of the year in a new arena? No one is selling out an arena on Halloween on a Wednesday night sorry.

you dont get what im saying either, I understand what you are saying........ but my point is that vanderbeek should be concerned any night that he doesnt sell all of his seats, because each seat not sold is money he loses.....


I am not lost, I understand why it wasnt a sell out that does not bother me, but my point is vanderbeek and the devils lose money everytime there is a seat not sold, and they should be concerned for that.....

I'm a Ranger fan....but I live in Bayonne and definitely want to check out the new place..it looks awesome..I may come to the game, on Saturday. I'm guessing there are decent seats available?

How is the parking, and how much is it?

Take the Light Rail to the PATH, that's what I do, took me about an hour and 20 to get home last night but I had to stop back off at my office causing me to miss a train which tacks on 20 more minutes.

But as for Saturday, we're playing at MSG, if you want to see a game in Newark, go on Friday :sarcasm:

He sold 13,000+ tickets for the game last night...that is more than we would normally get at CAA...so, how is he not making money on the game?

He may not make the full amount...but he made money!


I didnt say he didnt make money, I said every seat not sold is money he didnt make... so that is a concern for him.... and dont tell me it isnt....

you dont get what im saying either, I understand what you are saying........ but my point is that vanderbeek should be concerned any night that he doesnt sell all of his seats, because each seat not sold is money he loses.....


I am not lost, I understand why it wasnt a sell out that does not bother me, but my point is vanderbeek and the devils lose money everytime there is a seat not sold, and they should be concerned for that.....

Well then he shouldn't make the 100 seats so freakin' expensive then. It's his own fault.

We are not going to sell every seat, we are in a market with overpriced tickets and 4 teams within 200 miles of each other. However, we will sell out many weekend games and games against the Rangers/Flyers etc.
Its that simple.

I didnt say he didnt make money, I said every seat not sold is money he didnt make... so that is a concern for him.... and dont tell me it isnt....

It's not a concern yet....

Do you honestly think he was sitting in his huge office thinking....I should really be concerned that we aren't going to sell out tonight. What am I ever going to do, this team might have to pick up and move because we didn't sell out on HALLOWEEN!! :sarcasm:

HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE WORRIED AT ALL!!!

If we draw that on Friday, then maybe he should look into things, but not a Wednesday night on Halloween, with a crappy team on both sides of the ice!

you are not looking at it from a bottom line point of view or a corperate point of view....... bottom line is when he reports his revenue, what is he going to say "uh we ddint make the full amount we couldve made because its halloween and its wednesday?"

I dont think so, thats not how it works!

The league is not drawing very well especially in areas where they did draw years back. and what do those absolute morons in the nhl offices talk about? expanding to even more crappier cities where you may get some attention at first but eventually the game will fall into oblivion. the only way this league may get some respectability back is if they contract as opposed to expand. no one in atlanta cared about hockey in the 70's and no one there cares for it in the millenium. same goes for florida. not tampa because tampa draws but florida is a whole other subject.

you are not looking at it from a bottom line point of view or a corperate point of view....... bottom line is when he reports his revenue, what is he going to say "uh we ddint make the full amount we couldve made because its halloween and its wednesday?"

I dont think so, thats not how it works!
Actually thats exactly how it works. Its called market prediction.

RIDICULOUS THREAD!!!!!!!!

It's not a concern yet....

Do you honestly think he was sitting in his huge office thinking....I should really be concerned that we aren't going to sell out tonight. What am I ever going to do, this team might have to pick up and move because we didn't sell out on HALLOWEEN!! :sarcasm:

No not at all..... but Im sure it is in the back of his mind.... you dont get it because you arent looking at it form a corperate point of view..... attend some budget meetings and you will understand...


When schools are closed and business close on Halloween I will consider it a REAL holiday.... let me know when that happens...

I didnt say he didnt make money, I said every seat not sold is money he didnt make... so that is a concern for him.... and dont tell me it isnt....

I wouldn't worry about it, he made his riches as a risk manager at a brokerage firm, he knows what he's doing and trust me, he ain't concerned.

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RIDICULOUS THREAD!!!!!!!!

then why do you post in it?

RIDICULOUS THREAD!!!!!!!!

I second that notion!

I wouldn't worry about it, he made his riches as a risk manager at a brokerage firm, he knows what he's doing and trust me, he ain't concerned.



IM NOT WORRIED about it.......:shakehead

Im just saying he and the devils should be..

Vanderbeek is a corperate guy and knows how to make money, he always is looking to make the most money he can on every night..

No not at all..... but Im sure it is in the back of his mind.... you dont get it because you arent looking at it form a corperate point of view..... attend some budget meetings and you will understand...


When schools are closed and business close on Halloween I will consider it a REAL holiday.... let me know when that happens...

I don't need to sit in budget meetings to realize that Vanderbeek shouldn't be concerned yet.

Quit saying that Halloween isn't a factor.....because you know darn well it is. I can't wait until one day you have children and you have to explain to them that they can't go trick or treating because Daddy is spoiled and HAS to go see a hockey game!

I'm sure that would fly over real well!

Take the Light Rail to the PATH, that's what I do, took me about an hour and 20 to get home last night but I had to stop back off at my office causing me to miss a train which tacks on 20 more minutes.

But as for Saturday, we're playing at MSG, if you want to see a game in Newark, go on Friday :sarcasm:

hahaha for some reason I thought it was at the Rock..oh well. I'll check the schedule. Yeah, I take the light rail to the path every day so I feel like driving my car once in a while lol.

Again, last nights halloween attendance "race".
1. Dallas 14.7k
2. NJ -1k
3. LA -3k
4. Florida -4k
Close this thread. Opening night was a sellout and Friday will most likley come close, if not being a sell out.

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IM NOT WORRIED about it.......:shakehead

Im just saying he and the devils should be..

Vanderbeek is a corperate guy and knows how to make money, he always is looking to make the most money he can on every night..

Obviously you are since you keep saying the same thing over and over about how the Devils didn't make enough money last night!

I'm sure when he sat down in his quote on quote Budget meeting he factored in that it was HALLOWEEN!!!

It might happen in a few years but not right away. If Vanderbeek was smart, he would lower the prices of those other tickets first to see if they would sell them faster!

And perhaps that will happen, but judging the data so far I would have no fear increasing Upper Level pricing if I were in the Devils marketing department. When you have 100% sold out that's pretty indicative that you can bump up the price and be fine. In fact, just playing with Ticketmaster, the FIRST game you can even buy a pair together in the Upper Bowl isnt until late-November against Dallas, and that's a Wednesday night.


There should be $10 seats because alot of students would not go if it was any higher. Some students don't have alot of cash on hand.

I'm fine with that. But I still think they should make the seats $20 and you need a valid high school/college I.D. to buy them for $10 and limit the number each person can buy (to deter some college punk from trying to scalp).

hahaha for some reason I thought it was at the Rock..oh well. I'll check the schedule. Yeah, I take the light rail to the path every day so I feel like driving my car once in a while lol.

I hear ya, parking is expensive near The Rock and most of the lots you need the prepaid passes for, plus rush hour traffic is a pain down there. Last weekend we drove into JSQ , parked in the garage there and took the PATH over, that was pretty easy.

I don't need to sit in budget meetings to realize that Vanderbeek shouldn't be concerned yet.

Quit saying that Halloween isn't a factor.....because you know darn well it is. I can't wait until one day you have children and you have to explain to them that they can't go trick or treating because Daddy is spoiled and HAS to go see a hockey game!

I'm sure that would fly over real well!

I never said it wasnt a factor, I said Halloween is a BS holiday.

I agree with you and everyone else here..... but my point is that the devils and vanderbeek should be concerned if they do not sell all of thier home games.... I dont care if a game is on Easter... they know WAY in advance that it is what it was...... they couldve offered MORE and CHEAPER ticket specials..... or did some stronger marketing to get people thier on a holiday...

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Obviously you are since you keep saying the same thing over and over about how the Devils didn't make enough money last night!

I'm sure when he sat down in his quote on quote Budget meeting he factored in that it was HALLOWEEN!!!



Thats not what im saying at all..

for the billinth time, All im saying is they should be concerned everynight that they dont sell out....

I dont give a rats ass....if theres sellouts...

As Devils fans, we're never going to hear the end of it regarding attendance. It was brought up by some dolt on XM Radio this morning, and Sammy Woo gave it to him pretty good. Still, what if Friday's game ISN'T close to being sold out? All the talk of the Continental being "no good" for hockey, how hard it is to get to, etc., etc. goes out the window.

To me, I think Newark should have been about 15,500 seats, not 17,500. That's still a pretty big building to fill, and when we get 13K, it looks cavernous. And regardless of the Devils actually getting the money now, the fact remains that people still see a half-empty arena and say we have no fan base. The tickets are still too expensive for a family (I have three boys, so I ain't going anytime soon with all of them...), so that is the main reason why I won't be attending as many games as I'd like. In addition, attendance is down throughout the league (for Christ's sake, HOCKEYTOWN isn't drawing!), the NHL's popularity is a joke, and we're competing against three other teams in close proximity. The formula is there for disaster, but it's too bad that the media still harps on the Devils more than any other team. I guess when you're the pinnacle of success over the past decade, there's not much more you can gripe about.

I really don't understand you logic with this. Increasing the $10 seats to $20 makes little sense because that section has the least amount of seats in it. You're not going to make more sales in that section. You have to attack the Mezzanine level where people WOULD buy those seats if they werent $65. If you made them $45 or so many more people would buy those seats and you'd be making more money. I don't see how highering the prices of seats that will be sold consistently. You have to lower the prices of the places that aren't selling.

Well for one, I'm not really talking about the $65 seats, although you could make the arguement (and many have) that they are also too expensive and probably should be more like $50. But what I'm talking about are the $100 seats, and I DID mention lowering the price of those. I talked about raising ALL the Upper Level seats (not just the $10 seats) as a revenue offset to finance the lowering of the Mezzanine. Actually, I was pretty clear in all this.

Again, weekend games will be sold out/close to sold out, weekdays will suffer a tad unless its a big matchup.

I expect that weekday games will eventually get better attendance as those who work in downtown Newark realize how easy it is to stay in town after work, get dinner and see a Devils game. Until then, however, you have the regular weekday drop in attendance.

I moved out of NJ cause there just wasn't any jobs at the time while I was looking.

I moved out of NJ in 1996 after living there for my first 28 years (and being a Devils STH for a few seasons) because of jobs and the cost of housing. Now I live a two-hour drive from the rest of my family and bought a house for 1/4 the price.

And OT98 - obviously you don't have young kids.

As Devils fans, we're never going to hear the end of it regarding attendance. It was brought up by some dolt on XM Radio this morning, and Sammy Woo gave it to him pretty good. Still, what if Friday's game ISN'T close to being sold out? All the talk of the Continental being "no good" for hockey, how hard it is to get to, etc., etc. goes out the window.

To me, I think Newark should have been about 15,500 seats, not 17,500. That's still a pretty big building to fill, and when we get 13K, it looks cavernous. And regardless of the Devils actually getting the money now, the fact remains that people still see a half-empty arena and say we have no fan base. The tickets are still too expensive for a family (I have three boys, so I ain't going anytime soon with all of them...), so that is the main reason why I won't be attending as many games as I'd like. In addition, attendance is down throughout the league (for Christ's sake, HOCKEYTOWN isn't drawing!), the NHL's popularity is a joke, and we're competing against three other teams in close proximity. The formula is there for disaster, but it's too bad that the media still harps on the Devils more than any other team. I guess when you're the pinnacle of success over the past decade, there's not much more you can gripe about.



Bettman is a idiot.... but thats a whole different topic..... your right other arenas arent drawing big crowds either (including LA or dallas).... regardless of holiday, ANY night that arenas dont draw full crowds teams are losing money and then the league will lose money... Bettman and the owners should be concerned for this..... its very simple...

What Vanderbeek should have done was keep the ticket prices in the 100s relativley low to establish a consistent fan base. Then when the attendance was consistent and no lower than 15,000 on any nights, with a bunch of sell outs on the weekends, he should then raise ticket prices. Those people who enjoyed the first year at the Rock would definetly go back even with a moderate ticket increase.

And OT98 - obviously you don't have young kids.


I understand you cant make the game if you have young kids on Halloween. its for the kids.... completely understandable and nothing wrong with that.....

Well for one, I'm not really talking about the $65 seats, although you could make the arguement (and many have) that they are also too expensive and probably should be more like $50. But what I'm talking about are the $100 seats, and I DID mention lowering the price of those. I talked about raising ALL the Upper Level seats (not just the $10 seats) as a revenue offset to finance the lowering of the Mezzanine. Actually, I was pretty clear in all this.

But raising all the Upper Level seats doesn't make a whole lot of sense either when the crux of your fan base is buying those tickets. They are going to sell and Vanderbeek will make money off that. He should be worrying why nobody is buying the 100 seats.

What Vanderbeek should have done was keep the ticket prices in the 100s relativley low to establish a consistent fan base. Then when the attendance was consistent and no lower than 15,000 on any nights, with a bunch of sell outs on the weekends, he should then raise ticket prices. Those people who enjoyed the first year at the Rock would definetly go back even with a moderate ticket increase.

I agree....

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But raising all the Upper Level seats doesn't make a whole lot of sense either when the crux of your fan base is buying those tickets. They are going to sell and Vanderbeek will make money off that. He should be worrying why nobody is buying the 100 seats.

No one's buying the 100 dollar seats because they're only a few rows in front of the 35 dollar seats. It doesn't make any sense.

Can you guys ever just be happy lol.........We won 6-1 last night and this what we have to talk about come on now.

So... if they aren't losing, they're doomed by ****** attendance? C'mon folks... quit the *****ing!

But raising all the Upper Level seats doesn't make a whole lot of sense either when the crux of your fan base is buying those tickets. They are going to sell and Vanderbeek will make money off that. He should be worrying why nobody is buying the 100 seats.

I dont think you're quite grasping what I'm saying. The Upper Level is selling out 100%. This means Demand is very, very high for these seats at this price. This also means that because Demand is clearly so far outstripping supply in this level at this price, they can RAISE the prices there and STILL sell out all those seats 100%. THEN, you take this "surplus" and lower the Mezzanine seats that are way overpriced using said "surplus" to do so. THEN you theoretically SHOULD sell more Mezzanine seats once they're $75 or $85 or $90 than you are now when they're $100 and people a sunflowers seed toss behind are only paying $35.

Can you guys ever just be happy lol.........We won 6-1 last night and this what we have to talk about come on now.


very happy with the game....

I like i said I dont give a crap about if there was no sellouts or not... just saying bettman and the owners should be....

I like it better when there is NO sellouts...

very happy with the game....

I like i said I dont give a crap about if there was no sellouts or not... just saying bettman and the owners should be....

I like it better when there is NO sellouts...

If you don't care, then why do you seem to be so concerned that Vanderbeek and company should be so concerned?

No one's buying the 100 dollar seats because they're only a few rows in front of the 35 dollar seats. It doesn't make any sense.

I actually feel BAD for them. All 3 times I've been to The Rock I've heard Mezz folk grumbling about this. If you think sales are bad there when people DIDNT realize this, think about how bad it will be after 12 games and the cat's out of the bag. BTW, were you the guy in the Gionta jersey with the white/black Devils cap on? I was trying to guess if it was you judging on about where you said you sit.

very happy with the game....

I like i said I dont give a crap about if there was no sellouts or not... just saying bettman and the owners should be....

I like it better when there is NO sellouts...
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Spoken like someone who really does care!!
You have to realize this was the person who ignores the fact that one of the best hockey markets in the US (Dallas) pretty much drew the same attendance as us tonight.

You have to realize this was the person who ignores the fact that one of the best hockey markets in the US (Dallas) pretty much drew the same attendance as us tonight.

This is also the same person who posted this on NJO:

I like it when the crowds are 13,000 or 10,000..... More room to spread out, less lines for beer and food, more room for me.

sellouts stink!!! BOOO for sellouts!

last night was great!!!

So I'm confused....you don't like sellouts, but you think that Vanderbeek should be concerned!

....you don't like sellouts, but you think that Vanderbeek should be concerned!

Exactly.

I like it better when the crowds are smaller, more room for me and less lines....


BUT the hockey owners (not me) should always be concerned when they dont sell out.


I could care less if they are or not, but the owners should be.

you cant understand that than its not my problem

Last night's game was the first Devils game all year that I didn't see. Why? I was out partying in NYC until 3 AM for... Halloween. Judging from the number of people on the streets, I somehow doubt I was the only one. There are 41 home games of the regular season and only 1 Halloween.

And does anyone seriously think a family with young children is going to go to a hockey game over letting the kids trick or treat? There would be riot in the house.

We have so many whiners in our fanbase. The team finally plays a great all-round game (glad to see... maybe I should miss more games), so they have to whine about attendance of a hockey game on freaking Halloween.

Or someone who's lost the argument!

losing what argument????

I agree with cj on there wasnt a sellout......... just think that the owners should always be concerned....

I actually feel BAD for them. All 3 times I've been to The Rock I've heard Mezz folk grumbling about this. If you think sales are bad there when people DIDNT realize this, think about how bad it will be after 12 games and the cat's out of the bag. BTW, were you the guy in the Gionta jersey with the white/black Devils cap on? I was trying to guess if it was you judging on about where you said you sit.

Yep that was me!!! I remember you said you're in the middle of the row, but we have a very big row so I wasn't sure which one you were. I'll probably be wearing the same on Friday so feel free to say hi.


And yeah, I feel bad for those folks, it's highway robbery that they're paying so much for those seats.

losing what argument????

I agree with cj on there wasnt a sellout......... just think that the owners should always be concerned....

EVERYONE AGREES THAT THERE WASN'T A SELLOUT!!!

There's no need to for great concern yet....

I wish this entire thread would just blow up!

Yep that was me!!! I remember you said you're in the middle of the row, but we have a very big row so I wasn't sure which one you were. I'll probably be wearing the same on Friday so feel free to say hi.


And yeah, I feel bad for those folks, it's highway robbery that they're paying so much for those seats.

You probably couldnt miss the girl wearing the silly dolphin costume? I was sitting next to her.

EVERYONE AGREES THAT THERE WASN'T A SELLOUT!!!

There's no need to for great concern yet....

I wish this entire thread would just blow up!

cj

I agree with you and everyone here.... Halloween was yesterday people take their kids out cause the kids love it, I completely agree and understand.....


just think that the owners should always be concerned when tickets dont sell, regardless of a holiday or anything else....

that is all.

EVERYONE AGREES THAT THERE WASN'T A SELLOUT!!!

There's no need to for great concern yet....

I wish this entire thread would just blow up!


I like it very much, please post another mushroom cloud pic...

Something tells me this thread will soon become the sticky to replace "the Devils are booooooring.." thread. People always gotta pick on us for something. I did get to see the surrounding area outside the Rock last night on TSN.. :eek: I'm hoping it's not as bad as it looks.

Something tells me this thread will soon become the sticky to replace "the Devils are booooooring.." thread. People always gotta pick on us for something. I did get to see the surrounding area outside the Rock last night on TSN.. :eek: I'm hoping it's not as bad as it looks.

Well what did you see??

You probably couldnt miss the girl wearing the silly dolphin costume? I was sitting next to her.

Haha okay, I was trying to figure out what that was, I came to the conclusion of the Shark dude from Finding Nemo, guess I was off!

Well what did you see??

Boarded up factories, boarded up apartment buildings and lots and lots of barb wire.

Here's my question, if they've sold 11,000 season tickets as I understand it, then we only sold a few thousand single tickets? I can't believe that's the case, unless I'm totally off on the season tickets sold.

Boarded up factories, boarded up apartment buildings and lots and lots of barb wire.

Yeah, there are some boarded up buildings, but those will eventually be torn down and replaced with stores/restaurants/bars, etc.

There's really nothing to be worried about!

Nice to see we can discuss things civilly :shakehead

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