Devils pricing structure a potential problem?

I know each and every one of us really wants a full barn as often as possible. I am, however, becoming increasingly concerned that the Devils pricing structure for this year may leave many games that should be sell-outs, with empty seats. The culprit? The Mezzanine level priced at ~ $100/seat.

A perfect example is this Friday's game against the Toronto Maple Leafs. The Leafs game has all the ingredients of being a sell-out. It's the 1st weekend game in the new building (other than opening night), and a lot of people that were shut out of opening night will want to check out The Rock. Also, many people cant go during the work week and this will be their first chance. If you look at ticket availability, however, you notice something startling. The entire Upper Level is already 100% sold out (not even single tickets available). The entire lower bowl is very close to being sold out, with "best available" coming in the last rows and corners, and it looks to be a safe bet that the lower bowl will sell out by Friday. Now take a look at the Mezzanine section. You can produce pairs dead spot-on the blueline with no problem whatsoever. The fact is, these Mezzanine seats simply arent selling. No one wants to pay $100 to sit there, with the vast majority of attendees choosing either to: A) sit a bit higher up for $35 or B) sit closer in the lower level for $95 to $115. The Toronto game is no anomaly, as checking other top games during the year you will notice this pattern repeats itself with surprising regularity, with lower and upper levels sold out or well on the way to being sold out, but with good Mezzanine availability still left. I think you can therefore predict with high probability the following: That within a year or two the Devils will raise the price of the Upper Level as a revenue offset for lowering the price of the Mezzanine seats. I envision the $25 seats going to say $35, and the $35 seats increasing to say $50, while bringing the Mezz down to maybe $75 or $85. Either way, I think it's a shame that (at least for now) it seems we may lose out on a fair number of sell-outs simply because of the Mezzanine pricing. Agree? Disagree? Thoughts? I'd be interested to hear what others think about this.

I havent done the research that you have but you're probably right.

If the corporations don't take those seats, it's really hard for the working man to, especially if he's bringing along a kid or two. I notice that exact problem in Detroit, even during the playoffs.

I did the same analysis and came to the same conclusion. The 2 price points that the devils will have problems with are the $100 mezzanine seats and the $65 behind the goal seats. I think the devils should have priced the dark blue a little higher (maybe $45-$50) and lowered the price of the yellows to $75. They offer a great view, but you need to decrease the disparity between the yellows and dark blue. Also, I think Vanderbeek hyped the amount of season tickets sold. In particular as it relates to the suites I noticed 12 empty suites on opening night (and that was just the side opposite the benches that was in my view and it could be double if the results are the same on the other side). Supposedly there are just 8 suites that are not sold, but I do not buy it based on what I saw opening night. Also, the club seats supposedly have a waiting list yet tickets were available on ticketmaster.

I did the same analysis and came to the same conclusion. The 2 price points that the devils will have problems with are the $100 mezzanine seats and the $65 behind the goal seats. I think the devils should have priced the dark blue a little higher (maybe $45-$50) and lowered the price of the yellows to $75. They offer a great view, but you need to decrease the disparity between the yellows and dark blue. Also, I think Vanderbeek hyped the amount of season tickets sold. In particular as it relates to the suites I noticed 12 empty suites on opening night (and that was just the side opposite the benches that was in my view and it could be double if the results are the same on the other side). Supposedly there are just 8 suites that are not sold, but I do not buy it based on what I saw opening night. Also, the club seats supposedly have a waiting list yet tickets were available on ticketmaster.

Vanderbeek never said that ALL the suites were sold, and there weren't 12 empty suites. People arrived late if you notice.

And, the club seats, people didn't pay their invoices so the tickets got released.

God willing we do make the playoffs I'd hate to see the pricing structure then.:scared:

I did the same analysis and came to the same conclusion. The 2 price points that the devils will have problems with are the $100 mezzanine seats and the $65 behind the goal seats. I think the devils should have priced the dark blue a little higher (maybe $45-$50) and lowered the price of the yellows to $75. They offer a great view, but you need to decrease the disparity between the yellows and dark blue. Also, I think Vanderbeek hyped the amount of season tickets sold. In particular as it relates to the suites I noticed 12 empty suites on opening night (and that was just the side opposite the benches that was in my view and it could be double if the results are the same on the other side). Supposedly there are just 8 suites that are not sold, but I do not buy it based on what I saw opening night. Also, the club seats supposedly have a waiting list yet tickets were available on ticketmaster.

I think the pricing is out of whack as well - the main problem is the $100 seats. The $65 seats are also a bit high (should probably be closer to $45 - $50), though at least they're doing discounted tickets in those sections. Would be interesting to see if the Devils would adjust the pricing structure next year and maybe lower prices in some of the sections, but that's doubtful.

Vanderbeek never said that ALL the suites were sold, and there weren't 12 empty suites. People arrived late if you notice.

And, the club seats, people didn't pay their invoices so the tickets got released.

I never said they were all sold, Vanderbeek said 8 remain. Also, I looked at the suites all night and they were dark and I counted 12 of them (again, only on the side I could see). As for the club seats, invoices needed to be paid in July and there was (and according to Vanderbeek still is) a waiting list of over 500 names for these seats. If there are seats being sold on ticketmaster why would they not give these seats to people on the waiting list (they had plenty of time to do so)? I think Vanderbeek is trying to create demand by overstating the scarcity of the seats (he recently said in an article that he expects us to average 16K to 17K a night). I find this number hard to believe. Don't get me wrong, this is probably smart marketing, however, I think that we all need to temper our expectations about attendance this season.

The $100 seats in the Mezz are like the first two rows from the edge of the upper level. Everything past that is either $75 or $65.

As for $65 seats, I was looking to get them in a season ticket plan.

But yes, $100 is far too much, $85 is a bit more agreeable as a price point, mainly because those seats are the best seats in the house.

I never said they were all sold, Vanderbeek said 8 remain. Also, I looked at the suites all night and they were dark and I counted 12 of them (again, only on the side I could see). As for the club seats, invoices needed to be paid in July and there was (and according to Vanderbeek still is) a waiting list of over 500 names for these seats. If there are seats being sold on ticketmaster why would they not give these seats to people on the waiting list (they had plenty of time to do so)? I think Vanderbeek is trying to create demand by overstating the scarcity of the seats (he recently said in an article that he expects us to average 16K to 17K a night). I find this number hard to believe. Don't get me wrong, this is probably smart marketing, however, I think that we all need to temper our expectations about attendance this season.

Why should he sell all the club seats, if people are going to just walk up and buy them?

Does it really matter though?

Forget about the pricing....The poor product on the ice will cause more fans from going to the games regularly than having to spend $200 for a night out.

You mean I can still upgrade?

Sweet.

That was the one thing I liked about the CAA.

Forget about the pricing....The poor product on the ice will cause more fans from going to the games regularly than having to spend $200 for a night out.

Tissue or tampon?

The $100 seats in the Mezz are like the first two rows from the edge of the upper level. Everything past that is either $75 or $65.

As for $65 seats, I was looking to get them in a season ticket plan.

But yes, $100 is far too much, $85 is a bit more agreeable as a price point, mainly because those seats are the best seats in the house.

Have you sat in the $65 seats? I hear mixed things about them... Figured to try all the price ranges in the first couple games before getting a plan.. Love those $35 seats though

Slightly OT but how much easier is the new arena to get to from Philly than the old one? Or is it still kinda a pain?

Slightly OT but how much easier is the new arena to get to from Philly than the old one? Or is it still kinda a pain?

Take the train or you can just take the Turnpike...

From New Jersey Turnpike

Take exit 15E (Newark/Jersey City), follow signs to Raymond Blvd. At the stop light make a right and proceed about 2 miles to Mulberry Street (Downtown Newark).

Turn left onto Mulberry St.

Continue past Market Street and Edison Place, Prudential Center is on the right.

Take the train or you can just take the Turnpike...

From New Jersey Turnpike

Take exit 15E (Newark/Jersey City), follow signs to Raymond Blvd. At the stop light make a right and proceed about 2 miles to Mulberry Street (Downtown Newark).

Turn left onto Mulberry St.

Continue past Market Street and Edison Place, Prudential Center is on the right.

I love how New Jersey has some of the nicest places to live in the country but chooses to put its major attractions in Newark. :)

I'll definitely be checking out one of the Flyers games there though.

I love how New Jersey has some of the nicest places to live in the country but chooses to put its major attractions in Newark. :)

I'll definitely be checking out one of the Flyers games there though.

Don't believe everything you hear about Newark!!! It's probably one of the safest places to be when an event is going on there!!

Don't believe everything you hear about Newark!!! It's probably one of the safest places to be when an event is going on there!!

Safety is just a gun in the glovebox away. And, anyway, I am sure it is much better than Detroit or Camden or New Orleans.

Safety is just a gun in the glovebox away. And, anyway, I am sure it is much better than Detroit or Camden or New Orleans.

It didn't even make the top 100 most dangerous cities in the Country! However, the ones you mentioned did!

It didn't even make the top 100 most dangerous cities in the Country! However, the ones you mentioned did!

Don't bother. The dude is near Philly so anyone there is in no position to criticize other cities.

It didn't even make the top 100 most dangerous cities in the Country! However, the ones you mentioned did!

People go to Washington D.C. to see the Capitals play. Why aren't they afraid? Washington D.C. is often known as the murder capital of the world.

The most dangerous cities ranked last year are

1. St. Louis, MO
2. Camden, NJ
3. Compton, CA
4. Flint, MI
5. Detroit, MI (thats right, Hockey town)

Incidentally Brick, NJ was the safest city last year LOL.

PS> The murder rate in Philladelphia is the highest it has been in 10 years. They just shoot anybody out there without looking now.

People go to Washington D.C. to see the Capitals play. Why aren't they afraid? Washington D.C. is often known as the murder capital of the world.

The most dangerous cities ranked last year are

1. St. Louis, MO
2. Camden, NJ
3. Compton, CA
4. Flint, MI
5. Detroit, MI (thats right, Hockey town)

Incidentally Brick, NJ was the safest city last year LOL.



PS> The murder rate in Philladelphia is the highest it has been in 10 years. They just shoot anybody out there without looking now.

Yeah, i was there on Sunday.. Not what i expected... Talk about seats with little leg room.. That upper bowl might be worse than Giants Stadium..Had an indent of the chair in my left calf an hour in..

As for Newark... I thought the place around the arena was great.. Like a little Devil town with all the jerseys..I don't think i ever saw more jerseys at a devil game than i did opening night

I never said they were all sold, Vanderbeek said 8 remain. Also, I looked at the suites all night and they were dark and I counted 12 of them (again, only on the side I could see). As for the club seats, invoices needed to be paid in July and there was (and according to Vanderbeek still is) a waiting list of over 500 names for these seats. If there are seats being sold on ticketmaster why would they not give these seats to people on the waiting list (they had plenty of time to do so)? I think Vanderbeek is trying to create demand by overstating the scarcity of the seats (he recently said in an article that he expects us to average 16K to 17K a night). I find this number hard to believe. Don't get me wrong, this is probably smart marketing, however, I think that we all need to temper our expectations about attendance this season.

Looking from my side, facing the benches, there were seven that were "empty". It's
hard to tell though, a few that I had empty, someone showed up.

I think on Friday we'll see how many are really empty. Boxes are weird things.
Owned boxes go dark more often than you think, unless someone is a fan.

How did they look during the concerts?

wow this is headed wayyy off topic...

I would have to agree that the pricing structure isn't the best if they want to fill the place. Those end seats upstairs are a bit too steep like you said BG, along with the mezz.

Also looking at the seating diagram, what are exactly those balcony seats that are at the bottom of the blue? Is it just the first few rows of those sections?

Don't bother. The dude is near Philly so anyone there is in no position to criticize other cities.

I would rather walk around in inner city Philly (which I've done multiple times) than Newark. I've had two bad experiences in Newark already and zero when I lived in Philly and went a number of times to some of the baddest areas there.

This is personal experience, but I think Philly is a lot safer than Newark no matter what statistics say.

I know each and every one of us really wants a full barn as often as possible. I am, however, becoming increasingly concerned that the Devils pricing structure for this year may leave many games that should be sell-outs, with empty seats. The culprit? The Mezzanine level priced at ~ $100/seat.
A perfect example is this Friday's game against the Toronto Maple Leafs. The Leafs game has all the ingredients of being a sell-out. It's the 1st weekend game in the new building (other than opening night), and a lot of people that were shut out of opening night will want to check out The Rock. Also, many people cant go during the work week and this will be their first chance. If you look at ticket availability, however, you notice something startling. The entire Upper Level is already 100% sold out (not even single tickets available). The entire lower bowl is very close to being sold out, with "best available" coming in the last rows and corners, and it looks to be a safe bet that the lower bowl will sell out by Friday. Now take a look at the Mezzanine section. You can produce pairs dead spot-on the blueline with no problem whatsoever. The fact is, these Mezzanine seats simply arent selling. No one wants to pay $100 to sit there, with the vast majority of attendees choosing either to: A) sit a bit higher up for $35 or B) sit closer in the lower level for $95 to $115. The Toronto game is no anomaly, as checking other top games during the year you will notice this pattern repeats itself with surprising regularity, with lower and upper levels sold out or well on the way to being sold out, but with good Mezzanine availability still left. I think you can therefore predict with high probability the following: That within a year or two the Devils will raise the price of the Upper Level as a revenue offset for lowering the price of the Mezzanine seats. I envision the $25 seats going to say $35, and the $35 seats increasing to say $50, while bringing the Mezz down to maybe $75 or $85. Either way, I think it's a shame that (at least for now) it seems we may lose out on a fair number of sell-outs simply because of the Mezzanine pricing. Agree? Disagree? Thoughts? I'd be interested to hear what others think about this.

On the plus side, there's not too many of them.

In the longview, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I doubt there's too
many STH's there, so you can always discount them if they don't sell.

The prices will have to be adjusted next year. They changed their business
model, and while they do have more corporate support, they didn't knock it
out of the park, either, and we'll see to what extent this week with the weekday
games. You can see the gap between Vanderbeek's vision of a fan and the actual
fan by going to the games. There's nothing wrong with that, that's what he's around, it's what he expects, but it's not 100% reality. Like the "public" restaurant.
The places he's looking to put in there are totally out of whack with who is going to
go in them. It's almost as if they need an "everyman" consultant. Well, they need
a whole lot of consultants, but it would be one place to start. I could see them building a freaking Ruth Chris' and it being empty and a place like the Arena Bar being full.

As for the club seats, I think taking a wait list and then not going to it creates
unnecessary ill will. They're going back to the old Lou model of "filling the seat
at full price part of the time = filling the seat all of the time at the discount." It's not like people don't know, either, I think there's a segment in the office that thinks
we're mentally deficient.

It's fine for CAA, not for here.

I love how New Jersey has some of the nicest places to live in the country but chooses to put its major attractions in Newark. :)

I'll definitely be checking out one of the Flyers games there though.

Perception of Newark is worse than it actually is-and downtown, where The Rock is, is no worse than the area where the Flyers arena is located. see for yourself.

Philly has over 380 murders to Newark's 80 this year too.

I would rather walk around in inner city Philly (which I've done multiple times) than Newark. I've had two bad experiences in Newark already and zero when I lived in Philly and went a number of times to some of the baddest areas there.

This is personal experience, but I think Philly is a lot safer than Newark no matter what statistics say.


It's all relative to the section of both cities.
I know at least 5 guys who have been mugged or beaten in NYC too over the last 10 years.

I would rather walk around in inner city Philly (which I've done multiple times) than Newark. I've had two bad experiences in Newark already and zero when I lived in Philly and went a number of times to some of the baddest areas there.

This is personal experience, but I think Philly is a lot safer than Newark no matter what statistics say.

Again, depends on where. I would go out for dinner/drinks in the Ironbound 3 years ago and stumble (literally) 10-15 minutes back to Penn Station and I never had a problem. It used to be that the Ironbound was generally safe, but downtown was deserted at night. With the Rock in place, the downtown area around the arena should be full of people until several hours after the game. But yes, I wouldn't go wondering off too far in a random direction in Newark.

Why should he sell all the club seats, if people are going to just walk up and buy them?

Does it really matter though?

Of course it matters! You should always move STH inventory if you can. If not you're just going to lose money on those seats because there wont always be folks to "just walk up and buy them" against the Trashers, Blue Jackets, etc....

Of course it matters! You should always move STH inventory if you can. If not you're just going to lose money on those seats because there wont always be folks to "just walk up and buy them" against the Trashers, Blue Jackets, etc....

I was kinda being sarcastic because I'm tired of all the complaints. :shakehead

Have you sat in the $65 seats? I hear mixed things about them... Figured to try all the price ranges in the first couple games before getting a plan.. Love those $35 seats though

I went and checked them out, and the $65 view is pretty good, but frankly I'd rather pay $65 to get the "$35 view" than $35 for that "$65 view", as I just much prefer being center ice and a bit higher, than lower and behind a goal or in a corner. It is a bit bizarre though that the $35 seats are only $35, as those seats would be $45-$55 in just about any other arena, and it really doesnt make sense. It almost makes me wonder if as a part of this arena deal, perhaps Newark forced the Devils to provide X-number of "affordable" seats?

with all do respect to ourselves, we shouldnt really take into account a HALLOWEEN game.

i fully expect the attendance to be subpar.

if i had a little kid, say under 12 or 13, i would seriously question him if he would prefer to go to a hockey game than GET FREE CANDY with his friends!

then, thinking about "true weekday tests" would simply be Monday against Pittsburgh and the 28th vs Dallas.

Vanderbeek never said that ALL the suites were sold, and there weren't 12 empty suites. People arrived late if you notice.

And, the club seats, people didn't pay their invoices so the tickets got released.

As far as club seats are concerned...75 seats are held for VIP's..If those are not taken, they are released to the general public.

with all do respect to ourselves, we shouldnt really take into account a HALLOWEEN game.

i fully expect the attendance to be subpar.

then, thinking about "true weekday tests" would simply be Monday against Pittsburgh and the 28th vs Dallas.

I think everyone pretty much agrees on this. That's why I think the Leafs game will be a good proxy for those Mezzanine seats, because there is no reason that game shouldnt be a sellout.

I think everyone pretty much agrees on this. That's why I think the Leafs game will be a good proxy for those Mezzanine seats, because there is no reason that game shouldnt be a sellout.Leaf fans coming down from Canada won't mind paying 100$ for a seat.

Leaf fans coming down from Canada won't mind paying 100$ for a seat.

Perhaps so, but I dont think we'll have enough Leafs fans to fill the Mezz, but at any rate I'd rather them price the Mezzanine appropriately so that some Devils fans actually do buy them. Better folks in the seats rooting for the Devils than the Leafs.

As far as club seats are concerned...75 seats are held for VIP's..If those are not taken, they are released to the general public.

Is that true? That seems like an incredibly high number (3.5% of all club seats) What army of VIPs are the NJ Devils expecting to potentially show up at every game to fill 75 of the moxt expensive and best seats in the house. Also - there are none for Wednesday/Friday night's games, but there were plenty for Opening Night - I can't make that logically work out.

Is that true? That seems like an incredibly high number (3.5% of all club seats) What army of VIPs are the NJ Devils expecting to potentially show up at every game to fill 75 of the moxt expensive and best seats in the house. Also - there are none for Wednesday/Friday night's games, but there were plenty for Opening Night - I can't make that logically work out.

Families of players from the visiting team?

The $100 seats in the Mezz are like the first two rows from the edge of the upper level. Everything past that is either $75 or $65.

As for $65 seats, I was looking to get them in a season ticket plan.

But yes, $100 is far too much, $85 is a bit more agreeable as a price point, mainly because those seats are the best seats in the house.

Please try and ignore my allegiance - my intent is to be fair. Not sure if the "Mezz" is center ice, but I sat in the last row of 111 on Saturday night and they are $100 face.

The 100s are the worst value seats I have ever sat in at a hockey game. Maybe a coin flip with the last row at CAA for ~$65 (was playoffs so maybe they weren't that much reg season.) The seats are tight (we've been there already) and in order to see the near boards you need to continually lean forward bc people heads in front of you are in the way. I had an open seat to my left, but I could imagine the continual moving around around to see the play would get really annoying if I had people of size on either side of me.

The is absolutely no advantage to sitting in the 100s. If you are going to spend $100 a ticket, spend $20 more and sit in the goal bar, or less and sit in the corners in the lower level. Or save $65 and sit in the 200s. Maybe that was the goal of the pricing?

I think they really made a big mistake with the 100s. My $46 seats at MSG are quite a bit better (Then go back there! ;) Beat you to it).

I sat in the 200s for the Open House just for the heck of it and as bad a value the 100s are, the 200s are that much of a better value.

People go to Washington D.C. to see the Capitals play. Why aren't they afraid? Washington D.C. is often known as the murder capital of the world.

The most dangerous cities ranked last year are

1. St. Louis, MO
2. Camden, NJ
3. Compton, CA
4. Flint, MI
5. Detroit, MI (thats right, Hockey town)

Incidentally Brick, NJ was the safest city last year LOL.

PS> The murder rate in Philladelphia is the highest it has been in 10 years. They just shoot anybody out there without looking now.

YAY BRICK!

I would rather walk around in inner city Philly (which I've done multiple times) than Newark. I've had two bad experiences in Newark already and zero when I lived in Philly and went a number of times to some of the baddest areas there.

This is personal experience, but I think Philly is a lot safer than Newark no matter what statistics say.

Please, do tell.

Downtown Newark is the same as any other downtown of a big city, nothing to worry about.
Most of these people with "bad experiences" probably think seeing a person who isnt white is a "bad experience".
I hung out in Newark till 2AM Saturday Night and walked 5 blocks back to Penn Station. Dont look for trouble, simple as that.

YAY BRICK!
B-Town represent.

I would rather walk around in inner city Philly (which I've done multiple times) than Newark. I've had two bad experiences in Newark already and zero when I lived in Philly and went a number of times to some of the baddest areas there.

This is personal experience, but I think Philly is a lot safer than Newark no matter what statistics say.I have had bad experiences in N.Y.C and those were inside MSG.:naughty:

Please try and ignore my allegiance - my intent is to be fair. Not sure if the "Mezz" is center ice, but I sat in the last row of 111 on Saturday night and they are $100 face.

The 100s are the worst value seats I have ever sat in at a hockey game. Maybe a coin flip with the last row at CAA for ~$65 (was playoffs so maybe they weren't that much reg season.) The seats are tight (we've been there already) and in order to see the near boards you need to continually lean forward bc people heads in front of you are in the way. I had an open seat to my left, but I could imagine the continual moving around around to see the play would get really annoying if I had people of size on either side of me.

The is absolutely no advantage to sitting in the 100s. If you are going to spend $100 a ticket, spend $20 more and sit in the goal bar, or less and sit in the corners in the lower level. Or save $65 and sit in the 200s. Maybe that was the goal of the pricing?

I think they really made a big mistake with the 100s. My $46 seats at MSG are quite a bit better (Then go back there! ;) Beat you to it).

I sat in the 200s for the Open House just for the heck of it and as bad a value the 100s are, the 200s are that much of a better value.

The first few rows in the Mezz are the best seats in the house in any barn in the NHL. Your up above the action w/o too much obstruction in front of you.

But! (After looking at the seating chart) I understand the complaint.

How I would do it:

First 3 rows, sections 127~130, 110~113, would remain at the $100 price point.

After that, the remaining rows in those sections would go from $85 to $75 (last row). (How many rows are there?)

Sections 107~133, 116~124, would be all $65 seats, with the first 3 rows being $75.

Bingo!

But if they continue to sell those seats w/o problem, then why change it?

Downtown Newark is the same as any other downtown of a big city, nothing to worry about.
Most of these people with "bad experiences" probably think seeing a person who isnt white is a "bad experience".
I hung out in Newark till 2AM Saturday Night and walked 5 blocks back to Penn Station. Dont look for trouble, simple as that.

I'm just curious, were there still police around the arena/penn station at that time?

I'm just curious, were there still police around the arena/penn station at that time?
Yes, just not the overwhelming influence like it is in the day time.

But if they continue to sell those seats w/o problem, then why change it?

Well, that's just the problem. The Mezzanine seats arent selling for the reasons already mentioned. Namely, most would rather pay less or slightly more and be lower bowl, or pay a lot less and be slightly higher in Upper level.

How I would do it:

First 3 rows, sections 127~130, 110~113, would remain at the $100 price point.

After that, the remaining rows in those sections would go from $85 to $75 (last row). (How many rows are there?)

Sections 107~133, 116~124, would be all $65 seats, with the first 3 rows being $75.

Bingo!

But if they continue to sell those seats w/o problem, then why change it?

Theres 8 rows in most 100 sections. Some have less bc of handicap behind it (6 i think). You make good points Dev - discount within the section. I think we should see what happens as far as how well it sells. The market will dictate the cost.

I sat ection 123 row 3 on saturday for $95 (flex discount) and those seats could have easily been $75-85.

Please, do tell.

What do you want me to tell? I lived in Philly for a year and a half and I've been to nearly every inch of the city and I've never felt as unsafe as I have in Newark. It's personal experiences which change for everyone.

I mean, I was fine walking in deep West Philly (around 55th or so) after midnight but was looking behind my back a lot walking around the Ironbound just after dark.

I would rather walk around in inner city Philly (which I've done multiple times) than Newark. I've had two bad experiences in Newark already and zero when I lived in Philly and went a number of times to some of the baddest areas there.

This is personal experience, but I think Philly is a lot safer than Newark no matter what statistics say.

First, On Devils game day the police presense was insane. There was absolutely nothing to worry about.

Second, "Safe" really depends on who you are....By that I mean, I grew up in Paterson NJ, The last year I live there, 3 people were shot the street I lived on....Some people can walk through these neighborhoods without a problem, others, Well they just screem "I'm a target".

It has nothing to do with color or ethnicity...Its just you can always tell a punkass (in the vanacular of my neighborhood) when you see one.

PS
I've always felt more unsafe in places like Dinners in Sussex County on Friday night....Those people are always looking for trouble, everyone in place like that is a tough guy...In places like Paterson, Newark or Passiac, you don't look for trouble cause someone will shoot.

What do you want me to tell? I lived in Philly for a year and a half and I've been to nearly every inch of the city and I've never felt as unsafe as I have in Newark. It's personal experiences which change for everyone.

I mean, I was fine walking in deep West Philly (around 55th or so) after midnight but was looking behind my back a lot walking around the Ironbound just after dark.

If you were walking around the Ironbound and look behind your back, I have to imagine the reason for your suspicions was you unfamiliarity with Newark rather than your trust of Philadelphia. I mean it is a given that someone is going to feel more comfortable in a city that they have lived in (regardless of crme statistics) than one with a bad reputation that you are visiting solely to go see a hockey game.

What do you want me to tell? I lived in Philly for a year and a half and I've been to nearly every inch of the city and I've never felt as unsafe as I have in Newark. It's personal experiences which change for everyone.

I mean, I was fine walking in deep West Philly (around 55th or so) after midnight but was looking behind my back a lot walking around the Ironbound just after dark.

I don't know that really makes Newark MORE unsafe than Philly if this is all just based on your feelings and not some sort of actual experience.

I've said it countless times, I've hung out in Newark since I was about 14/15 years old and never once have I truly had a problem with anyone. Even with some of the "bad" people so many are afraid of.

The ONE "bad" experience I did have was at the street races on Ave P. (which really is the outskirts anyway) and some dude lost a race in a stolen car because he blew the head on the motor so basically they just pushed it down the street and set it on fire.

Iron Bound isn't a bad area...3 of the best schools in NJ are located around there (NJIT, RU-Newark (also law) and Seton Hall Law, I believe) which might not be saying much. But I know people that have been to all 3 schools and their only problem was people getting their cars stolen. I know it's not much an argument since there is a Rutgers Camden too...but I'm just saying. The schools are literally right down the block from the arena.

I went to NJIT from 1995-1999. I lived on "campus" the 1st 3 years. Surrounding area? I saw 3 people shot to death in 3 seperate years. The high school (Central High) across the street from the main green area had a strong police presence everyday, we were encouraged to walk on "our side of the street". This is a large reason why I was able to complete 3 full 162 game computer baseball seasons plus playoffs. There wasn't much effort made to leave the dorms. I always thought the downtown area was pretty good though even before all this recent upheaval. We graduated from NJPAC which I remember being extremely hot. Bye.

I sat ection 123 row 3 on saturday for $95 (flex discount) and those seats could have easily been $75-85.

Exactly. And that's probably what they should be selling at if we hope to sell out more games. This discussion makes me wonder if there are any other NHL arenas where you can pay $100 and not be lower level? I think MSG maybe gets close, but I cant think of any off the top of my head.

At least they didn't go the Sabres route and charge double the price for the Rangers/Pens/Flyers games and give discounts when the Coyotes and Oilers come to town.

At least they didn't go the Sabres route and charge double the price for the Rangers/Pens/Flyers games and give discounts when the Coyotes and Oilers come to town.

That's AWFUL. I would be enraged if I were a fan. And dont think if CANT happen here, as Buffalo isnt the only one. I know in Monteal they now have something called "Optimum games", which is a euphamism for "You Pay 20% More Per Seat."

I have ST in the fourth row, center ice Mezz. Would I be happier with a slightly lower price? Of course, but I didn't really don't feel like my seats are a bad value, and I thought the view was tremendous. Also, I have no idea how anyone finds the Mezz seats to be too small, but that argument has been done.

Still, I agree that Row 7-8 of those sections are overpriced. I think it'd be pretty reasonable to leave Rows 1-4 at $100 face, and move Rows 5-8 down to $ 85. This, of course, would make my seats the worst deal in the building, but I'm comfortable with that, because there's finally an arena that is train-convenient enough to allow me to go to more than 3 games a season. :handclap:

PS
I've always felt more unsafe in places like Dinners in Sussex County on Friday night....Those people are always looking for trouble, everyone in place like that is a tough guy...In places like Paterson, Newark or Passiac, you don't look for trouble cause someone will shoot.

How do you feel unsafe in Sussex County? Thanks for stereo-typing the County I live in!

How do you feel unsafe in Sussex County? Thanks for stereo-typing the County I live in!

I've been in a lot of uncomfortable situation in Sussex. Not "unsafe" per se, just I've seen more knuckleheads with loud mouths and obnoxious atitudes in places like the Sussex Queen than in the inner-city.

I've been in a lot of uncomfortable situation in Sussex. Not "unsafe" per se, just I've seen more knuckleheads with loud mouths and obnoxious atitudes in places like the Sussex Queen than in the inner-city.

Was it because they didn't have enough teeth? Because they have an inferiority complex up there!! :sarcasm:

There's a difference between Sussex County and the cities you listed. I certainly would feel more unsafe in the cities you listed than Sussex County.

How do you feel unsafe in Sussex County? Thanks for stereo-typing the County I live in!

There are areas in Sussex County that probably have a higher "suspicious
death" rate than Newark.

They just don't call them murders because they really don't know.

Other than Sparta and Vernon there's some real shady places there.

There are areas in Sussex County that probably have a higher "suspicious
death" rate than Newark.

They just don't call them murders because they really don't know.

Other than Sparta and Vernon there's some real shady places there.

Hahahaha....I'm not saying there aren't shady areas in Sussex County, but my goodness, I wouldn't compare them to Paterson and the likes.

PS - I'm glad I live in one of those towns you consider not being shady!!

Prices off the bat are too high indeed. There is no way my seats in section 132 were worth $75 each. Yes, I was a few seats over from Bauman, but they still weren't worth that much money. $65 at the most for similiar sections. In general, they really do need to lower the prices. Having one of the highest in the league makes no sense.

Hahahaha....I'm not saying there aren't shady areas in Sussex County, but my goodness, I wouldn't compare them to Paterson and the likes.



Really? I always thought Sussex was all rural and country?

Really? I always thought Sussex was all rural and country?

It is all country....but some of them country folk up there, are SCARY!!! When you go to some areas in Newton, High Point, etc....they're a little to Pennsltucky for me!

It is all country....but some of them country folk up there, are SCARY!!! When you go to some areas in Newton, High Point, etc....they're a little to Pennsltucky for me!

One word: Sussex.

There's alot of scuzzy places in Upstate NY where you least expect them, too.

One word: Sussex.

There's alot of scuzzy places in Upstate NY where you least expect them, too.

Hey...I live in Sussex county now and I'm not sure if I should be offended or not!!!

Although, I didn't grow up there. We moved there after I graduated HS and had already started college! But, I do live in Sparta, and you can't really call that Sussex County, because they certainly don't act like some of those folks!

One word: Sussex.

There's alot of scuzzy places in Upstate NY where you least expect them, too.



newton.

Stay outta newton.

And its NOTHING like pennsylvania!

I'd rather walk the streets of Newark than Newton!

It is all country....but some of them country folk up there, are SCARY!!! When you go to some areas in Newton, High Point, etc....they're a little to Pennsltucky for me!



Newton is NOTHING like Pennsylvania, Newton is scary. Maybe Philly.:biglaugh:

Is that true? That seems like an incredibly high number (3.5% of all club seats) What army of VIPs are the NJ Devils expecting to potentially show up at every game to fill 75 of the moxt expensive and best seats in the house. Also - there are none for Wednesday/Friday night's games, but there were plenty for Opening Night - I can't make that logically work out.

The suits. On weeknights after work they can be able to just walk(or train it)to the arena. That's why it's probably easier for the club seats to be taken quicker on a Wednesday/Friday than on a Saturday night. It's common with with most indoor pro sports teams.

In fact, were there a ton of big wigs there on Saturday?

Every place is like that. I live in Yonkers and when I tell people, they practically take a step back, immediatly think of DMX and other rappers who came from yonkers. Then I say exactly where in yonkers I live and I get laughed at beacuse its not the stereotypical part.

Hey...I live in Sussex county now and I'm not sure if I should be offended or not!!!

Although, I didn't grow up there. We moved there after I graduated HS and had already started college! But, I do live in Sparta, and you can't really call that Sussex County, because they certainly don't act like some of those folks!

No. Sussex, the town.

That's AWFUL. I would be enraged if I were a fan. And dont think if CANT happen here, as Buffalo isnt the only one. I know in Monteal they now have something called "Optimum games", which is a euphamism for "You Pay 20% More Per Seat."

The Leafs are going to that next year (most likely). I think a Platinum seat for a rival (Sens, Sabres, Red Wings, Habs etc.) will be something like $350/seat. Probably $100 to get a nosebleed seat in the upper corner of the building.

The Leafs are going to that next year (most likely). I think a Platinum seat for a rival (Sens, Sabres, Red Wings, Habs etc.) will be something like $350/seat. Probably $100 to get a nosebleed seat in the upper corner of the building.

Wow. So only the rich can afford to see a Leafs game? How very un-Canadian.

Wow. So only the rich can afford to see a Leafs game? How very un-Canadian.

That's how it's always been in Toronto. There "hard core" fans can't even attend games because it's too expensive...

And the ones that do attend, don't even sit in their seats for the games!

it has probably been said already (i'm just too lazy to check) but, the devs have to make a huge push with the surrounding schools. Rutgers Newark, Seton Hall Law etc. STUDENT DISCOUNTS DISCOUNTS DISCOUNTS. It definately would have helped us last night vs. Tampa. All those families and little kids could have been replaced with students last night.

it has probably been said already (i'm just too lazy to check) but, the devs have to make a huge push with the surrounding schools. Rutgers Newark, Seton Hall Law etc. STUDENT DISCOUNTS DISCOUNTS DISCOUNTS. It definately would have helped us last night vs. Tampa. All those families and little kids could have been replaced with students last night.

They had a discount....show up in a costume and get in for $10!!

They had a discount....show up in a costume and get in for $10!!

Which wasn't promoted until the last minute, instead of Monday or on FSNY during the Saturday game(unless someone watched it).

Which wasn't promoted until the last minute, instead of Monday or on FSNY during the Saturday game(unless someone watched it).

Seriously....as a college student, I never found it hard to come up with a lame costume!! If you couldn't get your act together, put on a costume and head over to the arena with some friends, that's your loss!!!

Again, if this was promoted a couple of days in advance instead of the very last minute...

New Jersey Devils - News: $10 student tickets with Halloween costume -
10/31/2007

$10 student tickets with Halloween costume

New Jersey Devils
Oct 31, 2007, 10:48 AM EDT

newjerseydevils.com - The Devils celebrate Halloween as they host
their Eastern Conference rival Tampa Bay Lightning at Newark, New
Jersey's Prudential Center tonight at 7:00 PM.

Any student who wears a Halloween costume will be admitted to the Oct.
31 matchup for just $10. Tickets are available at the Prudential
Center box office, Mulberry and Edison Streets, Newark, NJ. (Valid
student ID required.)

Any fan wearing a Halloween costume to the game will be eligible to
win one of 20 pairs of tickets to see one of two sold-out Hannah
Montana shows on either Saturday, December 29 or Sunday, December 30,
2007 at Prudential Center.
http://devils.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=341731

Even if it was promoted...we wouldn't have drawn that many more people!

Which wasn't promoted until the last minute, instead of Monday or on FSNY during the Saturday game(unless someone watched it).

Exactly. It never ceases to amaze me how POOR the Devils marketing department is. A couple of MBA students doing an internship could do a better job than whoever they have running that Keystone Cop outfit. :shakehead

Exactly. It never ceases to amaze me how POOR the Devils marketing department is. A couple of MBA students doing an internship could do a better job than whoever they have running that Keystone Cop outfit. :shakehead

That's the killer, with all the schools right there, it's not like they have a shortage of marketing majors willing to perform some free labor!