Arena bar

New tailgate spot.


It really is a great spot and in a prime location!

New tailgate spot.


It really is a great spot and in a prime location!

I was at Scully's, so I have no idea what Arena Bar is like. Perhaps you could give a review? Hmmmm....on that note, perhaps a Scully's thread is a good idea too.

Great bar, found it by accident because my buddy had to take a piss and didn't want to wait till we got inside seeing the lines were so long, ended up having a couple beers in there.

Someone told there that they owners plan to expand the place to make it three floors, big, big plans for that place.

I was at Scully's, so I have no idea what Arena Bar is like. Perhaps you could give a review? Hmmmm....on that note, perhaps a Scully's thread is a good idea too.



I heard scullys was good too. I went in there for a second too.

Can never have too many drinking options!!!

New tailgate spot.


It really is a great spot and in a prime location!

Is that the one that is a block away from the South entrance?

Didn't even notice it until it got dark. But, now that I know...

Is that the one that is a block away from the South entrance?

Didn't even notice it until it got dark. But, now that I know...

yes.

The place had such an awesome atmosphere...I'm glad I got there early because the place became insanely pact around 5:00PM

If you can sit/stand by the tall brunette waitress that works in there, very good looking, she was fast getting your drinks and it was better than trying to squeeze in at the bar to order them.

BTW, I'm pretty sure one of the bartenders ripped me off $3.00, I ordered four beers at $4 for a total of $16, I gave the bartender a fifty and told him to keep a buck but when he handed me back my change he gave me $30 -twenty and ten - that was it. If my math is correct I should have gotten back three more bucks.

I didn't realize it before it was too late.

Arena bar was pretty cool...I want one of those mini kegs they had at each table!

If you can sit/stand by the tall brunette waitress that works in there, very good looking, she was fast getting your drinks and it was better than trying to squeeze in at the bar to order them.

BTW, I'm pretty sure one of the bartenders ripped me off $3.00, I ordered four beers at $4 for a total of $16, I gave the bartender a fifty and told him to keep a buck but when he handed me back my change he gave me $30 -twenty and ten - that was it. If my math is correct I should have gotten back three more bucks.

I didn't realize it before it was too late.

You tipped $1? :shakehead

BTW, I'm pretty sure one of the bartenders ripped me off $3.00, I ordered four beers at $4 for a total of $16, I gave the bartender a fifty and told him to keep a buck but when he handed me back my change he gave me $30 -twenty and ten - that was it. If my math is correct I should have gotten back three more bucks.

I didn't realize it before it was too late.

Is this a joke or did you really intend to only tip $1 on four beers?

Given that's it's customary to tip $1 per beer and you told him to "keep a buck" it's quite logical he may have thought you meant "a buck per beer" (I would have thought that too). The alternative would be that you meant to tip $0.25 on a beer?

You tipped $1? :shakehead

For fetching me four beers that took him exactly 15 seconds? You must be joking.

Is this a joke or did you really intend to only tip $1 on four beers?

Given that's it's customary to tip $1 per beer and you told him to "keep a buck" it's quite logical he may have thought you meant "a buck per beer" (I would have thought that too). The alternative would be that you meant to tip $0.25 on a beer?

Is it really customary to tip a buck a beer? I swear I never heard that.

dollar a drink is the norm.

Is it really customary to tip a buck a beer? I swear I never heard that.

Yeah, man.......it is. Frankly I see a lot of people give $0.50 per beer and I dont think that's so bad, but $0.25 is getting kind of ridiculous, and people you're with will absolutely think you're cheap if they notice. I (and I think the vast majority of folks) give $1 per beer.

Yeah, man.......it is. Frankly I see a lot of people give $0.50 per beer and I dont think that's so bad, but $0.25 is getting kind of ridiculous, and people you're with will absolutely think you're cheap if they notice. I (and I think the vast majority of folks) give $1 per beer.

Wow, I just called my sister-in-law and you confirmed it's a buck a beer, I feel like such a heel man. :shakehead

And I'm a GREAT tipper usually, I always give 20-25% when I eat out to the waitress.

Thanks for heads up man.

Wow, I just called my sister-in-law and you confirmed it's a buck a beer, I feel like such a heel man. :shakehead

And I'm a GREAT tipper usually, I always give 20-25% when I eat out to the waitress.

Thanks for heads up man.

And in the grand scheme of things, tipping a bartender well is much better for you in the long run. While tipping a server well is always much appreciated, taking care of a bartender will ensure you will ALWAYS get your subsequent rounds quicker than anyone else vying for their ear.

Wow, I just called my sister-in-law and you confirmed it's a buck a beer, I feel like such a heel man. :shakehead

And I'm a GREAT tipper usually, I always give 20-25% when I eat out to the waitress.

Thanks for heads up man.

Wow, I really need to stop skimming. Leaving out the "to" made such a big difference.

Wow, I really need to stop skimming. Leaving out the "to" made such a big difference.

Yeah, but would involve more than 20-25%

And in the grand scheme of things, tipping a bartender well is much better for you in the long run. While tipping a server well is always much appreciated, taking care of a bartender will ensure you will ALWAYS get your subsequent rounds quicker than anyone else vying for their ear.

To be honest if I'm at a bar/club where it's important to get the bartenders attention, usually means where I am at is crowded as all hell and I will avoid places like that, most places I go I like to have a seat or a place at the bar and take good care of the man at the end of the night.

That's why I liked the Arena, it was crowded by the bar but in the back there was alot space, we even got a table.

I pretty much hate clubs and places like that so I rarely find myself at a position of what you are telling me - which I agree with.

Wow, I really need to stop skimming. Leaving out the "to" made such a big difference.

LOL, it took me a while to catch what you were trying to say.

Is this bar safe for visiting fans as well?

Is this bar safe for visiting fans as well?

Yeah. We're not Ranger of Flyer fans. Just dont act like a drunk horse's Azz and you should be fine.

Yeah. We're not Ranger of Flyer fans. Just dont act like a drunk horse's Azz and you should be fine.

Honestly --I don't think I would go in there with a Flyer or Ranger jersey.

Honestly --I don't think I would go in there with a Flyer or Ranger jersey.

I agree, Flyers and Rangers fans will get verbally abused big time in any local bar near The Rock, especially if they sport a #19 Gomez jersey.

Wow, I just called my sister-in-law and you confirmed it's a buck a beer, I feel like such a heel man. :shakehead

And I'm a GREAT tipper usually, I always give 20-25% when I eat out to the waitress.

Thanks for heads up man.

Dude, c'mon...getting your food and whatnot is one thing, but a simple beer? They're already over-charging you for a beer, why should it even be 'customary' to give a dollar per drink?

I dunno, I'm one of those Mr. Pink types (if you've seen Reservoir Dogs, you'd know) that thinks tipping is absolutely stupid. The concept of a tip was giving something EXTRA for the effort, not just some type of expectation where (as Mr. Pink would say) the worlds smallest violin is playing just for you.

I mean c'mon, like you said...it takes all but 2 seconds to grab a beer and open it, and hell if need be I'd open it myself.

The reality of tipping is simple...and profitable for the establishment. They underpay their Bartenders/Waiters/Waitresses and then they over charge you for food and/or drinks and on top of it leave you with the expectation of having to pay their employees for their time instead of them having to do it themselves.

I tend to be in the minority there and it pisses off a lot of people in the "service industry" but I really don't care. A Friday's has plenty more money than I do, why should I be expected to pay their employees when they're already charging about 40% more for the food as it is. A beer there is like 4+ and I drink ****** cheap beer. A 12 pack often costs me 10 dollars which breaks down to like 84 cents a beer. And I'm supposed to tip someone for reaching in a cooler and opening it?

It's nonsense. Tip at your own discretion man. Don't give in to the man! :biglaugh:

I agree that $1 for opening a beer is a bit much, but I still do it. I have less of the problem with the tip if the bartender actually has to mix a drink.

On the subject of tipping, do you guys tip at the arena when you get a beer?

Cool bar & the blonde bartender was hot as hell ;)


When we first walked in there were some people outside with beers smoking, I thought there was an open container law in Newark?

Dude, c'mon...getting your food and whatnot is one thing, but a simple beer? They're already over-charging you for a beer, why should it even be 'customary' to give a dollar per drink?


Pretty much everything about the economics you pointed out is true, but it still makes you cheap. Tipping customs vary country by country, and this is just the way it goes in America. If you dont tip in a bar in England that's the accepted custom. If you dont tip at a bar in America.....well....you're just cheap.


On the subject of tipping, do you guys tip at the arena when you get a beer?

I dont tip often at the arena kiosks because they are paid well, but if I someone doing a fantastic job, I'll still toss them a $1.

Pretty much everything about the economics you pointed out is true, but it still makes you cheap. Tipping customs vary country by country, and this is just the way it goes in America. If you dont tip in a bar in England that's the accepted custom. If you dont tip at a bar in America.....well....you're just cheap.




Understandably so, to an extent. But I do think this begs the question...who is cheap, the guy not tipping for the simplest of tasks or the place that is selling them profiting immensely from the sale and then probably paying the person serving it about as much as the beer costs per hour based on the 'custom' of tipping?

If I lived in a much more affordable state, I'd probably be a little more generous about a drink tip. But sorry, that's just not flying in NJ. I do however tip decently on a good dinner or something, usually about 30%. I'm not completely against tipping, but for drinks that aren't mixed, I think it's just stupid and it's bull ****.

Also I'm more inclined to do so in a more "mom-and-pop" type place where it isn't packed wall to wall because I do understand people need it to make money. But at some huge place with fifty, a hundred people in there, it's just non-sense. The establishment makes enough to pay their employees properly.

My problem is more with the ownership profiting on the customers more than they really should.

Yeah, but you're taking it out on the bartender/waiter/waitress. The establishment is still making the same profit.

BTW, I agree that it's a crap system. These places should just pay their staff a real wage.

I agree, Flyers and Rangers fans will get verbally abused big time in any local bar near The Rock, especially if they sport a #19 Gomez jersey.

A Gomez jersey would be an interesting choice on the part of a Flyers fan, would it not?

people really cant tip 1 dollar per beer? yeah, it sucks that opening a beer is easier than making a cocktail, but that is just the way it is. get over it and dont be cheap. if you want to tip 3 dollars on 4 beers or even 2 dollars on 4 beers, fine. but 1 dollar for 4 beers is just really cheap.

Do you need to be a STH to get in the bar?

Do you need to be a STH to get in the bar?

TB,

This bar is not a part of the Rock. Its a local bar one block down the street. Its only like 75 yards from one of the entrances....Its really a cool place and I love the fact that so many Devils fans patronized a local shop.

This place is going to be a mainstay before and after games.

As a former fine dining food server for 10 years, I lived on tips. I was taught TIPS was an acronym for To Insure Proper Service. One thing to consider when tipping a bartender or a server is that a bartender makes more hourly(usually a good $2-4 more per hour sometimes more, servers hourly wage can be less than minimum wage before tips, not bartenders) than a server and a server has to additionally tip out the bar and their bussers (and in some places the host/ess, especially maitre' ds, and the cooks, and even dishwashers on major holidays). 15% is standard for food service, 20% for an exceptional job. As a former food & beverage industry drone, I tip 20% for standard service and 30% for exceptional service. For poor service I still tip 10% (We all have bad nights). A pompous server in addition to poor service gets no tip.

The bar receives tips from the wait staff and customers. If you plan on becoming a regular there, take care of your peeps. You are cultivating a relationship with your crew. On busy, packed nights, they remember who tips well and who doesn't and they expend their time and energy accordingly. They are trained to read you and how much you will spend. They are trained to anticipate your questions and needs before you ask or state them. Yes, their boss expects them to be psychic.

$1 tip on a beer exceeds the 15-20% rule. If you are only having 1 beer tip a dollar. If you are having more, tip a dollar for the first beer and tip a dollar at the end, when you leave. What you tip on drinks in between is up to you, but never lose sight of the 15-20% rule. If you are buying a round, tip a dollar per drink, big spender. If you are the lackey getting the round from the bar for your party, make sure they are responsible for their own tip.

So these bars have... relatively normal beer prices? Like, less than $7? I'm assuming there at least $4 from what ronny bass wrote.

Also, about tipping. I waited for 4 years but i'm also a realist. $1 a drink is the norm, but when opening a beer it gets shady. If I get just one beer, yes i'll still tip him $1. If I get 2 beers, I'll still tip him $1. If, however, I got 4 beers, I'd probably tip him $2-$3. It all depends, but i think there are grey areas

I know, they work for tips. But seriously, you opened a beer! I'll never leave them empty handed though

As a former fine dining food server for 10 years, I lived on tips. I was taught TIPS was an acronym for To Insure Proper Service. One thing to consider when tipping a bartender or a server is that a bartender makes more hourly(usually a good $2-4 more per hour sometimes more, servers hourly wage can be less than minimum wage before tips, not bartenders) than a server and a server has to additionally tip out the bar and their bussers (and in some places the host/ess, especially maitre' ds, and the cooks, and even dishwashers on major holidays). 15% is standard for food service, 20% for an exceptional job. As a former food & beverage industry drone, I tip 20% for standard service and 30% for exceptional service. For poor service I still tip 10% (We all have bad nights). A pompous server in addition to poor service gets no tip.

The bar receives tips from the wait staff and customers. If you plan on becoming a regular there, take care of your peeps. You are cultivating a relationship with your crew. On busy, packed nights, they remember who tips well and who doesn't and they expend their time and energy accordingly. They are trained to read you and how much you will spend. They are trained to anticipate your questions and needs before you ask or state them. Yes, their boss expects them to be psychic.

$1 tip on a beer exceeds the 15-20% rule. If you are only having 1 beer tip a dollar. If you are having more, tip a dollar for the first beer and tip a dollar at the end, when you leave. What you tip on drinks in between is up to you, but never lose sight of the 15-20% rule. If you are buying a round, tip a dollar per drink, big spender. If you are the lackey getting the round from the bar for your party, make sure they are responsible for their own tip.

Dead on.

Dead on.

Yeah, I agree with everything he said except the below, which is just wrong.


$1 tip on a beer exceeds the 15-20% rule. If you are only having 1 beer tip a dollar. If you are having more, tip a dollar for the first beer and tip a dollar at the end, when you leave.

I'm sorry, but if you sit at a bar and have 5,6,7,8 pints during a game and only tip $2, that's just flat out a really cheap tip. At least give $0.50 a pint for heavens sake. The 15%-20% rule is primarily for food. Just look at the example you gave. If you have 6 beers that's $36 at $6 per pint. So 15% (the low end of your scale) of that is $5! Or if the beers are only $5 each that's still $30 or $4.50 at even the low end of your 15% scale (and $6 at the high end 20% of your scale). Either way your $2 tip is too little and certainly doesnt "exceed" the scale.

On the subject of tipping, do you guys tip at the arena when you get a beer?


I used to tip all the time at the arena, then the beers went over $7. Now I dont tip, unless the girl is young and HOT or I know the person.... haha.

In bars and restaurants I tip very good.... I usually tip 25 percent.

nice... something to debate other than which players sucks the most and what's wrong with Sutter... :sarcasm:

Tip $5 for your first beer/drink and ensure you get waited on even at peak times for the rest of the night! ;) Wait staff always remember a good tipper.

:cheers:

Tip $5 for your first beer/drink and ensure you get waited on even at peak times for the rest of the night! ;) Wait staff always remember a good tipper.

:cheers:


thats correct...

money talks.

Yeah, I agree with everything he said except the below, which is just wrong.



I'm sorry, but if you sit at a bar and have 5,6,7,8 pints during a game and only tip $2, that's just flat out a really cheap tip. At least give $0.50 a pint for heavens sake. The 15%-20% rule is primarily for food. Just look at the example you gave. If you have 6 beers that's $36 at $6 per pint. So 15% (the low end of your scale) of that is $5! Or if the beers are only $5 each that's still $30 or $4.50 at even the low end of your 15% scale (and $6 at the high end 20% of your scale). Either way your $2 tip is too little and certainly doesnt "exceed" the scale.

I totally agree. I was guessing only 2-4 pints max(more time and work, than popping a bottle cap, some people like to drink from the bottle) before heading to the arena.

If you are making a night of it. $2 is too little.

Yes, 15-20% rule is primarily for food.

I was guessing only 2-4 pints max before heading to the arena.

If you are making a night of it. $2 is too little.


Oh I see, well thanks for exposing me as a raging alcoholic. :D

One thing to consider when tipping a bartender or a server is that a bartender makes more hourly(usually a good $2-4 more per hour sometimes more, servers hourly wage can be less than minimum wage before tips, not bartenders) than a server and a server has to additionally tip out the bar and their bussers (and in some places the host/ess, especially maitre' ds, and the cooks, and even dishwashers on major holidays).

Do the bartenders normally share their tips with the wait staff? Because if what you say is the case, I'd prefer to tip a server than a bartender.

Do the bartenders normally share their tips with the wait staff? Because if what you say is the case, I'd prefer to tip a server than a bartender.


Usually the wait staff tips the bartenders....In most restaurants the bartenders are making the drinks for the servers to bring to you.... so the wait staff then tips the bartenders at the end of the night...the wait staff also tips the bus people too...

nice... something to debate other than which players sucks the most and what's wrong with Sutter... :sarcasm:

Tip $5 for your first beer/drink and ensure you get waited on even at peak times for the rest of the night! ;) Wait staff always remember a good tipper.

:cheers:

That works.

Do the bartenders normally share their tips with the wait staff? Because if what you say is the case, I'd prefer to tip a server than a bartender.

Never. Although some restaurants' policies are based on a tip pool. This is usually done in banquet settings.

arena bar....$8.00 pitchers before the game. was very nice to see.

arena bar....$8.00 pitchers before the game. was very nice to see.Great! I'll take two for myself.:naughty: You gotta go two fisted.:cheers:

Great! I'll take two for myself.:naughty: You gotta go two fisted.:cheers:

Yeah, well, unfortuneatly my friend was at the Bon Jovi concert last night and saw Martin Brodeur drinking two-fisted in the Fire Lounge. (no, I'm not kidding)

Yeah, well, unfortuneatly my friend was at the Bon Jovi concert last night and saw Martin Brodeur drinking two-fisted in the Fire Lounge. (no, I'm not kidding)

Really? Guess the guy's allowed to drown his sorrows. And they don't play until Wed night, so he has the time to recover before TB comes into town

Speaking of Wed night, I'm heading to the Rock for the game, so I'll give the arena bar a thorough inspection:cheers:

Yeah, well, unfortuneatly my friend was at the Bon Jovi concert last night and saw Martin Brodeur drinking two-fisted in the Fire Lounge. (no, I'm not kidding)

:biglaugh:

Really? Guess the guy's allowed to drown his sorrows. And they don't play until Wed night, so he has the time to recover before TB comes into town




I guess so. I'd just like to hold to my naive perception that elite athletes dont double fist in season. :naughty:

arena bar....$8.00 pitchers before the game. was very nice to see.


I hope they dont jack up the prices....

On the subject of tipping, do you guys tip at the arena when you get a beer?

Absolutely not. If they have the nerve to charge what they charge for a beer. I'll have the nerve to not tip.

I hope they dont jack up the prices....

I bet they will. $8 a pitcher is such a great price my guess is they keep em' low for a while (maybe the whole year) to get a nice clientele and then they'll raise them. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Yeah, well, unfortuneatly my friend was at the Bon Jovi concert last night and saw Martin Brodeur drinking two-fisted in the Fire Lounge. (no, I'm not kidding)

When I was up in Montreal last year for a Habs-Devils game, we were out at a restaurant the night before the game & the waiter was talking about how Marty tends to come there a lot and likes to put back a few Coors Lights when he's in town (even nights before games). Brodeur is probably at his best in Montreal, so it doesn't seem to affect him.

arena bar....$8.00 pitchers before the game. was very nice to see.

Wow...that's a great deal.

When I was up in Montreal last year for a Habs-Devils game, we were out at a restaurant the night before the game & the waiter was talking about how Marty tends to come there a lot and likes to put back a few Coors Lights when he's in town (even nights before games). Brodeur is probably at his best in Montreal, so it doesn't seem to affect him.


Well that explains the beer belly!

Me and my buddies hung out there pre and post game. I wanted to punch that kid with the Senators shirt on, what a bull****ter. "I am friends with Martin Brodeur, he threw me in Pandolfo's pool."
Great bar, this is my new hangout for Devils games.

Me and my buddies hung out there pre and post game. I wanted to punch that kid with the Senators shirt on, what a bull****ter. "I am friends with Martin Brodeur, he threw me in Pandolfo's pool."
Great bar, this is my new hangout for Devils games.

Sens fans used to be cool, but now they are very condescending.
Since there were so few there on Sat night, I really didn't see any, but I did see this really short dude in a Sens jersey on the way out make fun of the lithograph that was handed out.
I said, Hey Bro, how many Cups has Ottawa won...Zero? He did not respond and kept walking with his ugly girlfriend/wife?

i was handed a flyer for that scully's place but, i didn't check it out....we just went straight to the train. so maybe next time.

Sens fans used to be cool, but now they are very condescending.
Since there were so few there on Sat night, I really didn't see any, but I did see this really short dude in a Sens jersey on the way out make fun of the lithograph that was handed out.
I said, Hey Bro, how many Cups has Ottawa won...Zero? He did not respond and kept walking with his ugly girlfriend/wife?
I didnt notice many Sens fans. I hung out at the Arena bar until like 130AM, and on the walk back to the station I felt safe as hell. The Newark police did a fine job.
If anyone was at the bar, the stupid choad with the sens shirt on was the guy who actually won the Devils jersey raffle. Figures.

http://www.scullyspublickhouse.com/

Not a completed website, but getting there.

http://www.scullyspublickhouse.com/

Not a completed website, but getting there.

This place claims to be so authentically Irish, and I know the bar and chairs were imported from Ireland, but for those that have actually been to Ireland you'll agree the place sure doesnt look very much like a real Irish pub. Not that it really matters of course, I'm more interested in the food and a place to hang, but I just thought that was odd since they bill themselves as looking so authentic.

Dude, c'mon...getting your food and whatnot is one thing, but a simple beer? They're already over-charging you for a beer, why should it even be 'customary' to give a dollar per drink?

I dunno, I'm one of those Mr. Pink types (if you've seen Reservoir Dogs, you'd know) that thinks tipping is absolutely stupid. The concept of a tip was giving something EXTRA for the effort, not just some type of expectation where (as Mr. Pink would say) the worlds smallest violin is playing just for you.

I mean c'mon, like you said...it takes all but 2 seconds to grab a beer and open it, and hell if need be I'd open it myself.

The reality of tipping is simple...and profitable for the establishment. They underpay their Bartenders/Waiters/Waitresses and then they over charge you for food and/or drinks and on top of it leave you with the expectation of having to pay their employees for their time instead of them having to do it themselves.

I tend to be in the minority there and it pisses off a lot of people in the "service industry" but I really don't care. A Friday's has plenty more money than I do, why should I be expected to pay their employees when they're already charging about 40% more for the food as it is. A beer there is like 4+ and I drink ****** cheap beer. A 12 pack often costs me 10 dollars which breaks down to like 84 cents a beer. And I'm supposed to tip someone for reaching in a cooler and opening it?

It's nonsense. Tip at your own discretion man. Don't give in to the man! :biglaugh:

Wow, I missed this first time through.

The profit in Food & Beverage (or F&B, or after too many years, effin' b) is always in the beverage. Every establishment (even McDonald's) loses money on food. The mark-up on soft drinks is approximately 70%. A $12 bottle of wine in the grocery store(oops, wrong audience, you still can't pump your own gas either can you, I actually miss that service) is about $28-36 in a restaurant.

When I worked at the El Tovar dining room on the south rim of the Grand Canyon in the late '80s, the Executive Chef Estabon made all of his profits on the cafeterias to cover his fine dining costs. The El Tovar was rated in Michelin as 4-star. The El Tovar kitchen lost money, because of the expensive ingredients, herbs and spices Chef would demand. Regulars drove up from Phoenix 4-5 hours for his food. The cafeterias subsidized Estabon's award-winning dishes. Then National Park Services decided it was more important to turn a profit in all of their restaurants, instead of having the rest support what was once a jewel of northern AZ. Chef Estabon left, and with him the 4-star Michelin rating.

Travel tip: The McDonalds outside the Grand Canyon National Park charges 5 times the amount of the average McDonalds.

OK that was a tangent, but if you don't tip, you're not screwing the corporate "Man", you're screwing a single mother trying to make rent or a student who doesn't have rich parents.

I don't tip in delis, cafes, and pizza places, where a tip jar never used to be present before the the late '80s. Counter or concession service means I am still carrying my food to the table and putting my garbage in the THANK YOU sign and stacking my own tray. I don't tip at events that I have paid a ticket fee for. If I had the income of a Club Seat STH, I would probably tip the staff at The Rock restaurants and lounges as I would anywhere else, unless management stipulates otherwise (some positions will be terminated for accepting gratuities depending on management policy and student/intern situations).

Everybody got somewhere they call home
When they overrun the defences
A minor invasion put down to expenses
Will you go down to the airport lounge
Will you accept your second class status
A nation of waitresses and waiters
Will you mix their martinis
Will you stand still for it
Or will you take to the hills

-Roger Waters from "Home" from "Radio K.A.O.S." 1987.

http://www.rogerwatersonline.com/Artists_r/roger_waters_lyrics/home.html

edit: love Reservoir Dogs, especially Steve Buscemi(sp?) and Tim Roth. Check out 'Legend of 1900' for Tim Roth as an amazing jazz-blues pianist and soundtrack with single 'Lost Boys Calling' by Roger Waters w/Edward Van Halen on acoustic guitar.

edit 2: El Tovar was a 3-star, 4-diamond hotel dining room (not 4-star, as above) by Michelin standards. I don't know if this has changed but, an all male waitstaff is required to earn a 5-star rating(not necessarily by Michelin, but definitely by old-school French dining standards). Sexist, yes, but considering female service industry employees garner larger gratuity percentages than male service employees at every stage below the upper crusty levels, it more than evens out ladies.

Wow, I missed this first time through.

The profit in Food & Beverage (or F&B, or after too many years, effin' b) is always in the beverage. Every establishment (even McDonald's) loses money on food. The mark-up on soft drinks is approximately 70%. A $12 bottle of wine in the grocery store(oops, wrong audience, you still can't pump your own gas either can you, I actually miss that service) is about $28-36 in a restaurant.

When I worked at the El Tovar dining room on the south rim of the Grand Canyon in the late '80s, the Executive Chef Estabon made all of his profits on the cafeterias to cover his fine dining costs. The El Tovar was rated in Michelin as 4-star. The El Tovar kitchen lost money, because of the expensive ingredients, herbs and spices Chef would demand. Regulars drove up from Phoenix 4-5 hours for his food. The cafeterias subsidized Estabon's award-winning dishes. Then National Park Services decided it was more important to turn a profit in all of their restaurants, instead of having the rest support what was once a jewel of northern AZ. Chef Estabon left, and with him the 4-star Michelin rating.

Travel tip: The McDonalds outside the Grand Canyon National Park charges 5 times the amount of the average McDonalds.

OK that was a tangent, but if you don't tip, you're not screwing the corporate "Man", you're screwing a single mother trying to make rent or a student who doesn't have rich parents.

I don't tip in delis, cafes, and pizza places, where a tip jar never used to be present before the the late '80s. Counter or concession service means I am still carrying my food to the table and putting my garbage in the THANK YOU sign and stacking my own tray. I don't tip at events that I have paid a ticket fee for. If I had the income of a Club Seat STH, I would probably tip the staff at The Rock restaurants and lounges as I would anywhere else, unless management stipulates otherwise (some positions will be terminated for accepting gratuities depending on management policy and student/intern situations).

Everybody got somewhere they call home
When they overrun the defences
A minor invasion put down to expenses
Will you go down to the airport lounge
Will you accept your second class status
A nation of waitresses and waiters
Will you mix their martinis
Will you stand still for it
Or will you take to the hills

-Roger Waters from "Home" from "Radio K.A.O.S." 1987.

http://www.rogerwatersonline.com/Artists_r/roger_waters_lyrics/home.html

edit: love Reservoir Dogs, especially Steve Buscemi(sp?) and Tim Roth. Check out 'Legend of 1900' for Tim Roth as an amazing jazz-blues pianist and soundtrack with single 'Lost Boys Calling' by Roger Waters w/Edward Van Halen on acoustic guitar.

edit 2: El Tovar was a 3-star, 4-diamond hotel dining room (not 4-star, as above) by Michelin standards. I don't know if this has changed but, an all male waitstaff is required to earn a 5-star rating(not necessarily by Michelin, but definitely by old-school French dining standards). Sexist, yes, but considering female service industry employees garner larger gratuity percentages than male service employees at every stage below the upper crusty levels, it more than evens out ladies.

You might want to rephrase that. I doubt McDonald's loses anything on anything. However, markups on drinks is much greater than on food. But I doubt they lose money on a $2 large fry. Especially when you can buy a 5lb bag of potatoes in a supermarket for under $3. The cardboard the fries come in is probably costing them more than the potatoes.

Yeah, well, unfortuneatly my friend was at the Bon Jovi concert last night and saw Martin Brodeur drinking two-fisted in the Fire Lounge. (no, I'm not kidding)Role model.:yo:

You might want to rephrase that. I doubt McDonald's loses anything on anything. However, markups on drinks is much greater than on food. But I doubt they lose money on a $2 large fry. Especially when you can buy a 5lb bag of potatoes in a supermarket for under $3. The cardboard the fries come in is probably costing them more than the potatoes.

The food is over-salted to make you by more soda, or 'sugar water' as my Grandmother calls it, I think it is referred to as 'bubble juice' in Harry Potter. Carbonation inhibits calcium absorption. Then the vicious salt-sweet cycle begins.

You are probably right about the fries, though. I gotta get my head out of my eighties.

edit: The Ronald McDonald House is a noble charity for seriously ill children.

You might want to rephrase that. I doubt McDonald's loses anything on anything. However, markups on drinks is much greater than on food.

Correct. In fact, even when they do those Big Mac 2 for 1 promotions they still make a profit on the Big Mac sale. They reported a fantastic 3Q07 last week.

Below from Forbes:

MCD reported stellar third quarter earnings Friday morning. The fast food giant attributed its whopping profit increase to rising sales of coffee, breakfast foods, burgers and snack wraps.

The food is over-salted to make you by more soda, or 'sugar water' as my Grandmother calls it, I think it is referred to as 'bubble juice' in Harry Potter. Carbonation inhibits calcium absorption. Then the vicious salt-sweet cycle begins.

Not to go way off topic, but you wonder why kids are having obesity and other problems in the states. To quote a news item :


In a recent chemical analysis of eleven carbonated soft drinks sweetened with high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), researchers from Rutgers University found very high levels of reactive carbonyls.

Reactive carbonyls, which have been linked to tissue damage and complications of diabetes, are elevated in the blood of people with diabetes. A single can of soda, however, has five times that concentration of reactive carbonyls. Old-fashioned table sugar, on the other hand, has no reactive carbonyls because its fructose and glucose molecules are "bound" and therefore stable, unlike the "unbound" molecules of HFCS.

According to lead researcher Chi-Tang Ho, PhD, carbonation increases the amount of reactive carbonyls in sodas containing HFCS. Non-carbonated beverages containing HFCS had only one-third as many reactive carbonyls as carbonated beverages. Oddly, adding an ingredient found in tea called epigallocatechine gallate (EGCG) lowers the level of reactive carbonyls. When enough EGCG was added to carbonated drinks containing HFCS, reactive carbonyls were reduced by half.

Yeah, well, unfortuneatly my friend was at the Bon Jovi concert last night and saw Martin Brodeur drinking two-fisted in the Fire Lounge. (no, I'm not kidding)

What was Marty double *******?

What was Marty double *******?

Beer. Hopefully maybe he was just holding one for someone who was in the bathroom. And I should add that apparently NONE of the "Bon Jovi" crowd even recognized him and he was completely left alone (which is nice, and one of the reasons he likes playing here so much). He said the entire time he was there only 2 kids that were maybe 12 or 13 recognized him and went up to him to sign and that was the only time he was bothered.

Went to the arena bar. Nice place. They are also building a new place across from the Devils Den on Edison St. Name of it coming soon, so be on the lookout!

Yeah, well, unfortuneatly my friend was at the Bon Jovi concert last night and saw Martin Brodeur drinking two-fisted in the Fire Lounge. (no, I'm not kidding)

He needs to start doing that more often :sarcasm: He played great tonight.

He needs to start doing that more often :sarcasm: He played great tonight.

HOLLA!!!!

Dude, c'mon...getting your food and whatnot is one thing, but a simple beer? They're already over-charging you for a beer, why should it even be 'customary' to give a dollar per drink?

I dunno, I'm one of those Mr. Pink types (if you've seen Reservoir Dogs, you'd know) that thinks tipping is absolutely stupid. The concept of a tip was giving something EXTRA for the effort, not just some type of expectation where (as Mr. Pink would say) the worlds smallest violin is playing just for you.

I mean c'mon, like you said...it takes all but 2 seconds to grab a beer and open it, and hell if need be I'd open it myself.

The reality of tipping is simple...and profitable for the establishment. They underpay their Bartenders/Waiters/Waitresses and then they over charge you for food and/or drinks and on top of it leave you with the expectation of having to pay their employees for their time instead of them having to do it themselves.

I tend to be in the minority there and it pisses off a lot of people in the "service industry" but I really don't care. A Friday's has plenty more money than I do, why should I be expected to pay their employees when they're already charging about 40% more for the food as it is. A beer there is like 4+ and I drink ****** cheap beer. A 12 pack often costs me 10 dollars which breaks down to like 84 cents a beer. And I'm supposed to tip someone for reaching in a cooler and opening it?

It's nonsense. Tip at your own discretion man. Don't give in to the man! :biglaugh:



Oh goodie, a chance to talk to a bad tipper face to face. Yeah, bad tippers, I hate'em. See, when you start working in the food service industry, you would realize why people like myself hate people like you. I agree that the restaurants make money off it, but they are profiting, not so much the servers. Serving is a terribly stressful job. You never just sit back and think about life, or the devils, serving people is always on your mind, If you let a few seconds go by without thinking about what your guests need, you will probably forget something and time management is the key to success. In the end, a server on an average year probably makes about 30,000. For a 19 year old like myself, it's damn good money and it helps pay for my school but it's no easy job. For an adult, I think it's a terrible thing not to tip because that is their career.

In the end, what is a few extra bucks to you? If you go out to eat occasionaly, not much, and if you go out often, you obviously have the resources to afford a simple tip. Word of advice, when you tip bad, just remember the loads of death wishes each server has upon you. Like I said, there is no lounging around in serving (except on dead days) it's all work the whole time you are there. If it's not, you will notice it in the service delivered to the guest.

...just want to say that this Bar has been really awesome and a great place for a devils fan pregame... the atmosphere has been awesome every Devils game night....Its only a block from the prudential center, perfect spot.

keep it up everyone!


Go Devils.! :D

...just want to say that this Bar has been really awesome and a great place for a devils fan pregame... the atmosphere has been awesome every Devils game night....Its only a block from the prudential center, perfect spot.

keep it up everyone!


Go Devils.! :D

Place is great..

Always get there when it's crowded but do you know how much do those giant beer dispensers at the tables go for?

Place is great..

Always get there when it's crowded but do you know how much do those giant beer dispensers at the tables go for?


anyone who went, how was the atmosphere on Wed night?