Pandolfo could be moved

They've got him on the 4th line, and he's sharing LW duties with Mike Rupp, I'm sorry, but I'd much rather have Pando there than Rupp. He's starting for now, but if he doesn't play well, he sits. I wonder if a team would pay a premium for having Madden + Pando packaged together in a deal :help:

Noooooo! I don't care if Madden is traded but not Pando. The Devils need to put Asham on the 4th line and have the checking line look like Pando-Pelley/Madden-Madden/Pelley

I wonder if Pando would request a trade to the Rangers. SInce Gomer and him are best friends and all. IF that would happen I wonder if then Devs fans would treat him like Gomer?

Wow, depressing :cry: Request a trade to the Rangers? Say it ain't so :(

I don't want Pando to be moved. Move Rupp, move Cam. But not Pando...

I wonder if Pando would request a trade to the Rangers. SInce Gomer and him are best friends and all. IF that would happen I wonder if then Devs fans would treat him like Gomer?

I really dont even want to think that to happen..Pando being booed at..pando doesnt really deserve "gomer status":shakehead

I always say that teams win Cups with players like Jay Pandolfo.

He is worth more then anyone we could get in a deal.

I wonder if Pando would request a trade to the Rangers. SInce Gomer and him are best friends and all. IF that would happen I wonder if then Devs fans would treat him like Gomer?

Lou doesn't trade with the Rags or Flyers.

Pando is not going anywhere. Heck, this guy may even be Captain of the Devils soon.

Pando is a lay back, easy going guy(one of the reasons he prob got a long with the former #23 so well) but I've never seen him as the type who needs "a fire" lit under him. Hmmm...I like most of what Sutter is done, but I really hope he knows what he's doing when it comes to player/personality management. These are not kids he's dealing with. I hope it's not a "Mike Nolan thing", where he can teach kids how to win and buy into the team concept, but dealing with men is not the same. Men who have won several championships.

Madden get's moved before Pando. I still believe the Sharks will be interested in trading for Madden this year.

They've got him on the 4th line, and he's sharing LW duties with Mike Rupp, I'm sorry, but I'd much rather have Pando there than Rupp. He's starting for now, but if he doesn't play well, he sits. I wonder if a team would pay a premium for having Madden + Pando packaged together in a deal :help:

I'm willing to bet the fourth line gets as much as ice time as the third line.

How is he sharing the LW duties with Rupp when the season hasn't even started yet?

I'm willing to bet the fourth line gets as much as ice time as the third line.

How is he sharing the LW duties with Rupp when the season hasn't even started yet?

I agree, I don't think Pandolfo is going anywhere. Sutter is going to roll 4 lines consistently and we'll see alot of scoring from both Madden and Pandolfo.

Those two are not done yet, and Sutter is good for the team and these two's careers. I bet they are both going to have their best season yet.

I really don't think 4th line/3rd line really means anything this season. Both can do, and probably will be expected to do the same thing.

I agree that Madden would get moved before Pando and that it should be more of a line 3A and 3B thing when it comes to ice time, but this whole "if he plays well...etc." is a bit silly for me. I guess it's also just your normal coach's line. Just earn respect, don't P/O a team that may or may not be a coach killer.

I agree, I don't think Pandolfo is going anywhere. Sutter is going to roll 4 lines consistently and we'll see alot of scoring from both Madden and Pandolfo.

Those two are not done yet, and Sutter is good for the team and these two's careers. I bet they are both going to have their best season yet.
I hope you're right. Sutter did say that Pando is a big part of the team and that he'll play as long as he works hard and does well.

The day when Lou swings a deal with the Flyers or Rangers is the day when hell freezes over.

I hope you're right. Sutter did say that Pando is a big part of the team and that he'll play as long as he works hard and does well.

But what I don't understand is why say that? "big part" if "plays well", why single him out of all players? Rupp, Oduya or rookie I get, but the guy who shouldv'e won the Lady Bing already? Am I the only one who has a bit of trouble understanding this?:help:

The day when Lou swings a deal with the Flyers or Rangers is the day when hell freezes over.

If the value was right, Lou would be a moron not to trade with either. The problem is, he could get likely equal value elsewhere.

BUT if by some chance either GM wanted to overpay, Lou would take the deal and run. He's not a fool. At least I think he's not a fool.

If the value was right, Lou would be a moron not to trade with either. The problem is, he could get likely equal value elsewhere.

BUT if by some chance either GM wanted to overpay, Lou would take the deal and run. He's not a fool. At least I think he's not a fool.

I would trade Madden and Pandolfo for 2 first round picks in 2009.

But what I don't understand is why say that? "big part" if "plays well", why single him out of all players? Rupp, Oduya or rookie I get, but the guy who shouldv'e won the Lady Bing already? Am I the only one who has a bit of trouble understanding this?:help:
Oh, no, no. Sorry my bad. Let me clarify :)

So Sutter says that Pando is a big part of the team. Period. The playing well part he also mentioned, but he said that it’s something that applies to everyone on the team. If Pando plays well, he plays. If not, he sits. But that’s how Sutter will have it be for everyone.

So, he’s not going to make Pando sit out games because he’s a big part of the team. Conversely, if Pando is not playing well, then he’ll sit. And if he’s playing well, then he’ll keep playing. I can see Sutter wanting to take a look at what Pando can do without Madden because he thinks the checking line is overrated. So since Sutter realizes that Pando is valuable to the team, he’ll have Pando in the line up as long as he’s not sucking.

Personally, I think both Maddens and Pandolfos value to the team has been over-rated for years. I remember people on this forum screaming for him to be cut a few years ago. Has Jay really improved much from the days of wastedolfo/pandawful? I'd say no.

He's still a fine player ... just keep him on the fourth line where he belongs.

Personally, I think both Maddens and Pandolfos value to the team has been over-rated for years. I remember people on this forum screaming for him to be cut a few years ago. Has Jay really improved much from the days of wastedolfo/pandawful? I'd say no.

He's still a fine player ... just keep him on the fourth line where he belongs.





you DO know that he was nominated for the Selke last year, right?

:help:

Personally, I think both Maddens and Pandolfos value to the team has been over-rated for years. I remember people on this forum screaming for him to be cut a few years ago. Has Jay really improved much from the days of wastedolfo/pandawful? I'd say no.

He's still a fine player ... just keep him on the fourth line where he belongs.

Thats cause people never appreciate anything but Offense. Pandolfo's upside is his defense. When he's on the ice you can be sure we won't have problems losing the puck to the other side. He fits in perfectly with Sutter's defense first offense style. I think Pandolfo is perfect for Sutter and I don't think he's going anywhere.

No way does a selke candidate who makes less than 900k get traded.

I don't see Pandolfo being moved.

Thats cause people never appreciate anything but Offense. Pandolfo's upside is his defense. When he's on the ice you can be sure we won't have problems losing the puck to the other side. He fits in perfectly with Sutter's defense first offense style. I think Pandolfo is perfect for Sutter and I don't think he's going anywhere.

Right; a good defensive player who brings no scoring or physicality to the table. A fine fourth line PK player, nothing more.

you DO know that he was nominated for the Selke last year, right?

:help:

The Selke is honestly the biggest joke trophy in all of professional sports.

Pandolfo is Jagr's Achilles heel. he is not a "4th liner"

Pandolfo is Jagr's Achilles heel. he is not a "4th liner"

Jagr's splits against the devils since coming to the Rangers:

16 GP, 6 Goals, 8 Assists, 14 P (only 4 PPP), +/- of +4



So Pandolfo's big accomplishment has apparently been 'shutting down Jagr' at even strength. He has dented Jagr's even strength production over the past 2 years down to 61% (Jagr normally averages 75%) but lets not forget who he has backstopping him. Pandos done a fine job but lose him, Madden OR Brylin and the team doesn't skip a beat.

I consider holding Jaromir Jagr to 1 assist in 3 playoff games shutting him down. And how many penalties does Pandolfo take? Zero.

He was -5 this season, playing against the opposing teams top line every night. 82 games. 8 PIM.

I consider holding Jaromir Jagr to 1 assist in 3 playoff games shutting him down. And how many penalties does Pandolfo take? Zero.

He was -5 this season, playing against the opposing teams top line every night. 82 games. 8 PIM.

Oh please. Jagr was injured (gee, remember that?) and the Rangers were slumping like woah going into those playoffs. By your estimation we own Lundqvist too, right?

Want to see something funny? Look at the Eastern Conferences top players splits against the Devils for the past two years. Seriously. Hossa, Crosby, Heatley, Briere, St. Louis, etc. all produced damn well against our shutdown line. We did do a surprisingly good job of keeping Ovechkin in check, though.

Like I said good defensive player. BUT he should not be relied upon as much as he was under Lou, Julien and Robinson.

Oh please. Jagr was injured and the Rangers were slumping like woah going into those playoffs. By your estimation we own Lundqvist too, right?

Want to see something funny? Look at the Eastern Conferences top players splits against the Devils for the past two years. Seriously. Hossa, Crosby, Heatley, Briere, St. Louis, etc. all produced damn well against our shutdown line. They did do a surprisingly good job of keeping Ovechkin in check, though.

Like I said good defensive player. BUT he should not be relied upon as much as he was under Lou, Julien and Robinson

Agreed. It seems under Sutter we'll have 2 "checking" lines. But calling Jay a 4th line pk'r seems like a bit of an understatement, some people on these boards feel he should even be captain.

Pandolfo is going no where.

Nice Avator Matteo! Where you get that from? ;) lol

Right; a good defensive player who brings no scoring or physicality to the table. A fine fourth line PK player, nothing more.



The Selke is honestly the biggest joke trophy in all of professional sports.

no way, you wanna talk biggest joke trophy try the Lady Byng.

Pandolfo is going no where.

Nice Avator Matteo! Where you get that from? ;) lol

Haha :sarcasm:

It's really an excellent picture.

The Selke is honestly the biggest joke trophy in all of professional sports.

aren't you thinking of the Lady Byng?

Isn't Pando a UFA after this season? All other teams have to do is wait it out if they want him.

im not the biggest fan of pando, in fact i think hes a turd. but...he has tons of leadership and experience invaluable to the youngins comin in. his defensive game is what hes here for and as someone pointed out "a selke winner making 900k wont be moved", i think thats exactly right. he wouldnt garner much alone and theres no way lou moves BOTH madden and pando, hes not that dumb. hes not going anywhere, atleast this year. i could see sarge being moved before pando, and i love sarge, but (as much as i hate to admit) hes more replaceable than pando is.

I am relieved to see this is only a Df1 an not an E5.

I've always appreciated Jay's role and even keeled demeanor, but I won't compare him to Madden until he plays a few more shifts at center.

Agreed. It seems under Sutter we'll have 2 "checking" lines. But calling Jay a 4th line pk'r seems like a bit of an understatement, some people on these boards feel he should even be captain.

And I would say those people are out of touch with reality. From the surface nothing says captain about Jay Pandolfo. Not his play, not his apparent laid back attitude, nothing.

no way, you wanna talk biggest joke trophy try the Lady Byng.

Yeah, haha ... that also crossed my mind. Okay, the biggest joke of any MAJOR trophy in professional sports.

im not the biggest fan of pando, in fact i think hes a turd. but...he has tons of leadership and experience invaluable to the youngins comin in. his defensive game is what hes here for and as someone pointed out "a selke winner making 900k wont be moved", i think thats exactly right. he wouldnt garner much alone and theres no way lou moves BOTH madden and pando, hes not that dumb. hes not going anywhere, atleast this year. i could see sarge being moved before pando, and i love sarge, but (as much as i hate to admit) hes more replaceable than pando is.

Agree 95% (everything except about that whole loving sarge thing). I just take exception to all the 'Jay Pandolfo is great!112!!' talk that spews from this message board.

If the value was right, Lou would be a moron not to trade with either. The problem is, he could get likely equal value elsewhere.

BUT if by some chance either GM wanted to overpay, Lou would take the deal and run. He's not a fool. At least I think he's not a fool.

Oh no, Lou doesn't even listen to offers from the Rags or Flyers. Holmgren left messages for Lou inquiring about Gomez around the draft and Lou never even responded to him.

Pandolfo is Jagr's Achilles heel. he is not a "4th liner"



Yes he is. last year he shadowed him perfectly.

Pandolfo is not flashy but he is a very smart player. I told him last season after a practice at south mountain that if he didnt get the Selke something isnt right. He enjoyed that comment!

Jagr has 2g 8a in his last 15 games against NJ (since Robinson left). Both his goals came in one game including the fluky rainbow shot over Brodeur.

4 of his points that devildan mentioned came against Scott Clemmensen.

edit: Oh, also those two goals...Pandolfo and Madden weren't on the ice for either of them. Remember Marty calling Julien out for his mistake?

4 of his points that devildan mentioned came against Scott Clemmensen.

Point being? So is it Pando or Brodeur keeping Jagr off the board?

Point being? So is it Pando or Brodeur keeping Jagr off the board?
Are you suggesting that it's one or the other? It can't be both?

edit: Also, Crosby was only held pointless in 18 games last year. 4 of them were against NJ.

Oh no, Lou doesn't even listen to offers from the Rags or Flyers. Holmgren left messages for Lou inquiring about Gomez around the draft and Lou never even responded to him.

Then he's an idiot. If someone is willing to overpay in your division, you at least listen to their offer.

Are you suggesting that it's one or the other? It can't be both?

Are you suggesting the those four goals should be discounted because Brodeur wasn't in net? Or that the first 3 games after the lockout should be ignored because they were under Robinson's regime? What an arbitrary and self-serving selection size. Hey why don't we not count the second half of 2005/2006 because the Devils were too hot and the Rangers were too cold. Surely those numbers must be inflated; while we're at it, lets get rid of the first half of 2006/2007 when Jagr was still playing hurt.

Are you suggesting the those four goals should be discounted because Brodeur wasn't in net? Or that the first 3 games after the lockout should be ignored because they were under Robinson's regime? What an arbitrary and self-serving selection size. Hey why don't we not count the second half of 2005/2006 because the Devils were too hot and the Rangers were too cold. Surely those numbers must be inflated. While we're at it, lets get rid of the first half of 2006/2007 when Jagr was still playing hurt.

Yes, because the team was a mess. Hockey isn't a fantasy sport, it's a team sport. If the team isn't playing well together, nobody succeeds. Honestly, I'm shocked that someone is arguing about whether Pandolfo is effective on Jagr or not.

Anyway, there's no way he's going anywhere at that salary. It's just a step back anyway you look at it.

This thread has made me dumber.

Maybe I should go read why Elias shouldn't be captain again, or dig up the one about getting rid of Madden.

...wait those won't help either.:sarcasm:

Then he's an idiot. If someone is willing to overpay in your division, you at least listen to their offer.

Lou's made moves within the division, so your point must be in regard to particular teams. so yes, Lou may be stubborn when it comes to dealing with the Rangers and Flyers, but don't confuse that as characteristic of an "idiot".

Yes, because the team was a mess. Hockey isn't a fantasy sport, it's a team sport. If the team isn't playing well together, nobody succeeds. Honestly, I'm shocked that someone is arguing about whether Pandolfo is effective on Jagr or not.

Fine. Then just wipe out all of 2005/2006 from the Rangers, Devils Rivalry. The Rangers blew chunks down the stretch. Plus I never said Pando wasn't effective against Jagr... I said he wasn't as effective as people made him out to be.

Anyway, there's no way he's going anywhere at that salary. It's just a step back anyway you look at it.

Agreed. Just slot him in on the fourth line, on the first PK and don't play him 20 minutes a game. Everything will be much better then.

Isn't Pando a UFA after this season? All other teams have to do is wait it out if they want him.

Isles fan i come in peace:

The Islanders have a UFA in Satan, how about trading Pandolfo and a 1st or 2nd to the Isles for Satan.
I feel that Satan will have a good year and get a better contract and going on track record i dont think the isles will try to resign him..........

and besides what is funnier than having a guy whose name is spelled SATAN on the devils

Lou's made moves within the division, so your point must be in regard to particular teams. so yes, Lou may be stubborn when it comes to dealing with the Rangers and Flyers, but don't confuse that as characteristic of an "idiot".

I'm pretty sure Marty said something about Lou's refusal to deal with the Rags and Flyers in his book...

Well I took a quick glance and couldn't find it, but Marty does say "I hate the Rangers and Lou hates them to death." So yea, I don't see Lou trading with the Rags in the near future.

Isles fan i come in peace:

The Islanders have a UFA in Satan, how about trading Pandolfo and a 1st or 2nd to the Isles for Satan.
I feel that Satan will have a good year and get a better contract and going on track record i dont think the isles will try to resign him..........

and besides what is funnier than having a guy whose name is spelled SATAN on the devils

Our problem at the moment is the defense.

Isles fan i come in peace:

The Islanders have a UFA in Satan, how about trading Pandolfo and a 1st or 2nd to the Isles for Satan.
I feel that Satan will have a good year and get a better contract and going on track record i dont think the isles will try to resign him..........

and besides what is funnier than having a guy whose name is spelled SATAN on the devils

While I wouldn't want to give up Pando (what he does and at his cost) I love Miro... and how do you not hop at the chance of Satan on a Devils jersey.

I think s lot of people here overreact to stuff. He's not going anywhere.

This thread has made me dumber.

Maybe I should go read why Elias shouldn't be captain again, or dig up the one about getting rid of Madden.

...wait those won't help either.:sarcasm:

Ditto...between these threads, I feel like I keep waking up and its groundhog's day...

This thread has made me dumber.

Maybe I should go read why Elias shouldn't be captain again, or dig up the one about getting rid of Madden.

...wait those won't help either.:sarcasm:

i hear ya, man. i think clearly the answer is to start a new thread on how since clarkson is on the 4th line, he'll probably be traded too :sarcasm:

I think s lot of people here overreact to stuff. He's not going anywhere.

I have to concur. Sutter is using him differently, because of that, the media is asking questions about his role and suddenly he is on the block?

I have to concur. Sutter is using him differently, because of that, the media is asking questions about his role and suddenly he is on the block?

Is the media even asking questions? I just assumed this was uneducated conjecture from a panicking fan.

Is the media even asking questions? I just assumed this was uneducated conjecture from a panicking fan.

Yeah Sutter got asked a question specifically about Pandolfo that was reported in the papers, that started all of this.

Pando is not going anywhere. Heck, this guy may even be Captain of the Devils soon.

Yep, of course he's going to be the captain.

He and Madden are on thin, melting ice. Dunno why Pando is, though.
BUT, if a player has one main skill and the coach isn't interested in it,
that normally spells the end.

Oh no, Lou doesn't even listen to offers from the Rags or Flyers. Holmgren left messages for Lou inquiring about Gomez around the draft and Lou never even responded to him.

That better not be true.

If not, we're doomed.... our GM wouldn't take *free draft picks* for a player
he wasn't going to offer a contract?

Again, I can't see how that's true.

Our problem at the moment is the defense.

well last week we had 9 guys on d (doesnt mean any of them are good other than Witt and Sutton
didnt sign Berard, from what i hear they really like Martinek and this Aaron Johnson, how about us trading Campoli or Gervais to you guys:help:

While I wouldn't want to give up Pando (what he does and at his cost) I love Miro... and how do you not hop at the chance of Satan on a Devils jersey.

exactly:thumbu:

Ditto...between these threads, I feel like I keep waking up and its groundhog's day...

as my very wise moterator Seph said just because there is a thread it doesnt mean you have to open it (i am paraphrasing here)

Is the media even asking questions? I just assumed this was uneducated conjecture from a panicking fan.

usually it is......

anyways best of luck to you guys in the upcomming year.

I'll say this: the Devils are not going to be trading draft picks unless it's a really, really good deal for us.

That better not be true.

If not, we're doomed.... our GM wouldn't take *free draft picks* for a player
he wasn't going to offer a contract?

Again, I can't see how that's true.

Unlike some people on this board, I don't make up crap:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Garrioch/2007/06/22/4281829-sun.html

Oilers, Flyers hot after Gomez
Looking to deal before centre hits free agency


COLUMBUS -- The Oilers and Flyers could be trying to land a big one before tonight's NHL draft.

League sources say both teams may have made calls to Devils GM Lou Lamoriello about acquiring the negotiating rights to centre Scott Gomez, who will become an unrestricted free agent July 1.

It's believed the Oilers, who have three first-round picks, can offer the most attractive package to the Devils.

The Flyers made a similar deal with Nashville earlier this week to get the negotiating rights to defenceman Kimmo Timonen and forward Scott Hartnell, then signed them to lucrative, long-term contracts.

Gomez, 27, who made $5 million (all terms US) last season, has already told the Devils he wants to test the market.

Gomez, who had 13 goals and 47 assists in 72 games last season, will be highly sought after which is why the Oilers and Flyers are trying to get a jump on everybody else.

There are whispers that Flyers, who are trying to shed money to make room for Gomez, are willing to offer him a salary of $7.8 million per season.

The Oilers want to add scoring help up front and he would fit the bill.

The word is the Devils are talking to the Oilers about a possible deal, but won't even return Holmgren's phone calls.

I'm just all about Satan in a Devils uniform

[QUOTE=PNguh;10625302]well last week we had 9 guys on d (doesnt mean any of them are good other than Witt and Sutton
didnt sign Berard, from what i hear they really like Martinek and this Aaron Johnson, how about us trading Campoli or Gervais to you guys:help:

Lou doesn't usually rush into things. I believe we go into the season with the team we have and see what happens. Worse comes to worse, there's a young defenseman by the name of Alex Pietrangelo that Lou would probably love to draft in June.

Then he's an idiot. If someone is willing to overpay in your division, you at least listen to their offer.




Maybe you don't understand the rivalry from our perspective. The Devils will NEVER trade with the Rags or the Filthy Failures.

And Lou is a better GM than that loser Glen Sather.

The Islanders have a UFA in Satan, how about trading Pandolfo and a 1st or 2nd to the Isles for Satan.

As much fun as it would be to have Satan on the Devils, I think we'd have to pass for now. Seems like forever since we had a draft where we pulled 2 or 3 core players. In the 90s, it seemed like every draft we could find a good player in the 2nd/3rd rounds. Lately, we've either drafted poorly or not had draft picks at all.

This is supposedly a stacked draft year, so I would hope we hang onto our first. I would feel better about dealing our 2nd closer to the deadline knowing where we stood.

The Devils will NEVER trade with the Rags or the Filthy Failures.


Plausible rumor I heard was at the 2003 Draft, Lou offered Tverdovsky to the Rangers, as a last ditch resort, for a 3rd rounder. The following week, we didn't qualify him and didn't get any compensation.

Just a quick question:

Say Jay was traded or signed elsewhere in the future...

Do the devils keep Mike and Mark Pandolfo in the AHL/ECHL??? Or do they get let go/traded as well???

Would they make a Pando combo package?? Trade all 3 pandolfos! For the price of one!

God I hope not :(

Unlike some people on this board, I don't make up crap:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Garrioch/2007/06/22/4281829-sun.html

"The word is"

If it's true, it's just really, really, really, really bad business.

If they had an intention of signing Gomez, that's one thing... but they didn't.

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Maybe you don't understand the rivalry from our perspective. The Devils will NEVER trade with the Rags or the Filthy Failures.

And Lou is a better GM than that loser Glen Sather.

Maybe you don't understand the business.

If that was some run-of-the-mill GM, that would be a fireable offense, IMO.

Especially for a team that needs all the draft picks they can get their mitts on.

GM's hardly ever trade within their own division much less their own conference. Especially when star players are involved.

I can see Pando being dealt if to a playoff contender if we have a bad year. But I don't see us having one so it's unlikely he's traded. If he gets resigned is up to Sutter I think. Lou would have him back in a heartbeat.

"The word is"

If it's true, it's just really, really, really, really bad business.

If they had an intention of signing Gomez, that's one thing... but they didn't.

I did some digging around. I found an article in which both Lowe and Lou denied speaking to each other about Gomez at the draft. However, there were several articles, particularly from the Philadelphia area (I think Tim Pannacio wrote one of them) that confirmed that Holmgren left several messages for Lou regarding Gomez and got no response. I think one even had a quote from Holmgren at the draft. Still looking for it...

wow..all the pandohate..lets not forget his days in boston- he HAS a scoring touch, and he WILL fit into the new coachs plans at some capacity..hes not being moved imo

I see Pandolfo signing with the Rangers on July 2nd, 2008.

I see Pandolfo signing with the Rangers on July 2nd, 2008.

Lou would overpay before he would allow that to happen.

Pando can still see and hang with Gomez just as much as a Devil. And Pando is happy in NJ.

Pando for Phaneuf straight up.

Unlike some people on this board, I don't make up crap:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Garrioch/2007/06/22/4281829-sun.html

Till this day, I can never understand why Lou didn't deal his rights to another team, if offers were made.

Till this day, I can never understand why Lou didn't deal his rights to another team, if offers were made.
Those offers would be contingent on Gomez signing a deal with them. I doubt Gomez would do that.

Pando for Phaneuf straight up.

Why not shoot for the moon?

Pando for Crosby straight up!:sarcasm::sarcasm:

Those offers would be contingent on Gomez signing a deal with them. I doubt Gomez would do that.

I thought they were trading for negotiating rights...I was under the assumption that if a team traded for Gomez at the draft, they were simply trading for the opportunity to negotiate a contract with him before the free agency period begins...

As far as trading Gomez at the draft goes, here is the article that says the Oilers were never in the mix:

"The Gomez thing is totally off the charts," said Lowe. "I hadn't even talked to Lou Lamoriello, since I think January or February. That one was off the charts. Not to say that I haven't inquired about others (UFAs) though."

Said Lamoriello: "The answer is no. I've been asked that all day. No one has asked for permission, nor would I ever give it to them. It's just rumours."

However, I can pretty much assure you Holmgren was trying to make a move at the draft and Lou didn't care to listen. I posted the article on another board back in June but I can't find the damn thread. It basically said that Flyers were hoping to pull a Hartnell/Timonen type deal with Gomez. They were supposedly prepared to offer him a contract worth close to 8 mill. They also said that Holmgren left messages for Lou and Lou never called back. I'm still looking for it so once I find it I'll post it. I'm pretty sure it was on SportsNet or Philly Inquirer's website.

Why not shoot for the moon?

Pando for Crosby straight up!:sarcasm::sarcasm:

Darryl Sutter said "blood is thicker than ice", well now his baby bro NEEDS a mean physical presence on D...

I thought they were trading for negotiating rights...I was under the assumption that if a team traded for Gomez at the draft, they were simply trading for the opportunity to negotiate a contract with him before the free agency period begins...

As far as trading Gomez at the draft goes, here is the article that says the Oilers were never in the mix:



However, I can pretty much assure you Holmgren was trying to make a move at the draft and Lou didn't care to listen. I posted the article on another board back in June but I can't find the damn thread. It basically said that Flyers were hoping to pull a Hartnell/Timonen type deal with Gomez. They were supposedly prepared to offer him a contract worth close to 8 mill. They also said that Holmgren left messages for Lou and Lou never called back. I'm still looking for it so once I find it I'll post it. I'm pretty sure it was on SportsNet or Philly Inquirer's website.

Lou's Great. He f'in HATES the Rags and the Flyers.

I thought they were trading for negotiating rights...I was under the assumption that if a team traded for Gomez at the draft, they were simply trading for the opportunity to negotiate a contract with him before the free agency period begins...
Nobody gives up anything for negotiating rights. They'll give up something if it comes to fruition. A deal was in place between Nashville and Philly that if they came to terms with Hartnell and Timonen by a certain time, Philly would send them a first rounder.

Philly came to terms with Hartnell rather quickly but asked for an extra half hour to knock out a deal with Timonen. It was essentially a sign and trade.

That is why all of the reports and speculation on trading someone's rights was wishful thinking. Why would Lou trade Gomez to a division rival so they could sign him for below market value. Trading him out of the conference is the only option, but do you think a guy like Gomez wants to play in the wastelands of Western Canada?

Darryl Sutter said "blood is thicker than ice", well now his baby bro NEEDS a mean physical presence on D...

LOL if he did that, the Flames fans would probably kill him.

but do you think a guy like Gomez wants to play in the wastelands of Western Canada?

Why the **** not? Piece of **** is from Alaska.....that's as big a wasteland as there is. He also played in the wastelands of New Jersey for 7 years.. Playing in a western Canadian city is awesome, and it's Canada + Hockey = rabid.

Why the **** not? Piece of **** is from Alaska.....that's as big a wasteland as there is. He also played in the wastelands of New Jersey for 7 years.. Playing in a western Canadian city is awesome, and it's Canada + Hockey = rabid.
NJ doesn't really have wastelands because much of it is 30 minutes from NYC, which is where Gomez signed. Gomez strikes me as the kind of guy that likes to do something past 10pm and not be bothered by a bunch of hockey crazed fans.

LOL if he did that, the Flames fans would probably kill him.

In all seriousness, Phaneuf is a RFA at the end of the season, Kipper is a UFA, Langkow is a UFA, Huselius is a UFA, and Robyn Regehr signed a contract extension and will be a $4 million cap hit.

So I'm thinking unless Calgary lets some guys go, or Phanuef takes a hometown discount, it's going to be tough for Darryl Sutter to squeeze him under the cap. It might be a good opportunity for Lou to try to deal for him.

Langenbrunner, Romano, and a 2nd

for

Phaneuf, Richie Regehr

In all seriousness, Phaneuf is a RFA at the end of the season, Kipper is a UFA, Langkow is a UFA, Huselius is a UFA, and Robyn Regehr signed a contract extension and will be a $4 million cap hit.

So I'm thinking unless Calgary lets some guys go, or Phanuef takes a hometown discount, it's going to be tough for Darryl Sutter to squeeze him under the cap. It might be a good opportunity for Lou to try to deal for him.

Langenbrunner, Romano, and a 2nd

for

Phaneuf, Richie Regehr
Calgary would laugh at Lou if he proposed that. If we want Phaneuf, we'll be starting with Parise and one of Greene/Zajac.

Calgary would laugh at Lou if he proposed that. If we want Phaneuf, we'll be starting with Parise and one of Greene/Zajac.

I rather stink and draft one of the blue chip defensemen coming out in the next draft than give up a combo of any of the above.

I rather stink and draft one of the blue chip defensemen coming out in the next draft than give up a combo of any of the above.

I agree. The 2008 and 2009 drafts are looking really good. Even if we don't make the playoffs this year, we'll still win by getting a better chance at one of those prospects.