Devils looking at Markov....

Let's face it, White most likely will be out for some time, we can use this guy.

And I know it's Everson, but just look at out current defense, I'm sure Lou is as well.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09302007/sports/devils/devils_still_in_market_for_mar.htm

I wouldn't mind, I guess. I honestly don't know too much about him. Anyway, Everson doesn't say the Devils are looking at him, just that perhaps they should. The headline is misleading.

But it's the post.

If Danny Markov comes to NJ I'll be doing cartwheels. This guy is a beast. He hits like a truck, positions himself well defensively. Only problem is that he's a little too gung-ho and that gets him in injury trouble.

If Danny Markov comes to NJ I'll be doing cartwheels. This guy is a beast. He hits like a truck, positions himself well defensively. Only problem is that he's a little too gung-ho and that gets him in injury trouble.

Word up. This guy has the heart of a Lion and he's intimidating to opposing forwards. Markov is like the guy in your typical Russian mob movie knocking on your door with that cold stare ready to collect!

I wouldn't mind, I guess. I honestly don't know too much about him. Anyway, Everson doesn't say the Devils are looking at him, just that perhaps they should. The headline is misleading.

But it's the post.


The article does say that its been discussed. If Everson means present or in the past, I'n not sure. Another injury and we're in trouble.

Word up. This guy has the heart of a Lion and he's intimidating to opposing forwards. Markov is like the guy in your typical Russian mob movie knocking on your door with that cold stare ready to collect!

You recently see Eastern Promises?!

It's Neverson and the Post....even Eklund has more credibility than the Post, which of course is almost impossible.

I don't thik that the Devils have room for Markov under the cap, at least not for the money he's asking for. The Devils' cap stands at about $48,5 million right now, Langenbrunner, White and Janssen included.

It's Neverson and the Post....even Eklund has more credibility than the Post, which of course is almost impossible.

I don't thik that the Devils have room for Markov under the cap, at least not for the money he's asking for. The Devils' cap stands at about $48,5 million right now, Langenbrunner, White and Janssen included.

But wouldn't Long-Term IR discount their salaries as it did for Mogilny last year as well as Matvichuk?

Good idea to maybe sign Markov since White will be out for sometime. Hopefully White will be back soon enough to play though. Markov if the price is right would be good for the Devils.

The thing is, once we take White off of LTIR, who would we send down to get rid of salary? Oduya or Mottau wouldn't make a difference because of their salaries.

But wouldn't Long-Term IR discount their salaries as it did for Mogilny last year as well as Matvichuk?

Yes, but what happens when those guys return? It's not like you can loan a guy for a while and then cut him when guys return.....

Who will the Devils get rid of in order to make room for Markov AND the injured guys later on? It can't be done. Markov will not be a Devil......

Yes, but what happens when those guys return? It's not like you can loan a guy for a while and then cut him when guys return.....

Who will the Devils get rid of in order to make room for Markov AND the injured guys later on? It can't be done. Markov will not be a Devil......

Nah I fully understand that, I was just asking if their salaries wouldn't count under that circumstance. But it should be noted, theres a good possibility White might not be able to play again if he has little-to-no vision in that eye. Not to be a comedian but a Cyclops D-man isn't going to be much use to us at this level. So really maybe they're looking into him as a full-on replacement for White.

But wouldn't Long-Term IR discount their salaries as it did for Mogilny last year as well as Matvichuk?
Oh no, not again...

No, it wouldn't. LTIR only matters if we're over the cap and even then it wouldn't help.

I'm down.

That article is all speculation. Neverson's an idiot.

If it does come to the Devils signing Markov, I guess we will all know that White could be out for a good long time. Let's hope that isn't the case.

Bottom line... if we sign Markov, it means White is out for a long while.

i would love to have daniil but i dont know if i can take another year of salary cap headaches. plus we would once again have no dead-line flexability to fix any problems late in the season. if we could dump a couple players at some point then ok.

Guys, we're not in cap trouble. We have the space for Markov. The question to me is length, not size, of a contract. I'd take him in a second - and we need him. Badly.

Guys, we're not in cap trouble. We have the space for Markov. The question to me is length, not size, of a contract. I'd take him in a second - and we need him. Badly.

We're not in trouble, agreed. But we don't have the space. He wants around $3 million per year and there's no room for that on the Devils.

Right now the Devils are at $48,5 million including the injured guys...Sure, when they go on the IR that will create more room, but it's not that easy...

If Danny Markov comes to NJ I'll be doing cartwheels. This guy is a beast. He hits like a truck, positions himself well defensively. Only problem is that he's a little too gung-ho and that gets him in injury trouble.

yea thats the only problem, he is injury prone and we can afford anymore

We're not in trouble, agreed. But we don't have the space. He wants around $3 million per year and there's no room for that on the Devils.

Right now the Devils are at $48,5 million including the injured guys...Sure, when they go on the IR that will create more room, but it's not that easy...

yea but dont you think he realizes nobody is going to pay him that and he might end up sitting out a season for a few extra bucks?

Guys, we're not in cap trouble. We have the space for Markov. The question to me is length, not size, of a contract. I'd take him in a second - and we need him. Badly.

how exactly do you figure, if white or langenbrunner is out for the year sure, otherwise i am curious to see what your solution if when these guys come back.

how exactly do you figure, if white or langenbrunner is out for the year sure, otherwise i am curious to see what your solution if when these guys come back.
I think if we sign Markov then White probably isn't coming back. Honestly, I don't know the situation well, but I don't think White is coming back regardless. I think he probably has permanant damage to his vision and his career is over.

I think if we sign Markov then White probably isn't coming back. Honestly, I don't know the situation well, but I don't think White is coming back regardless. I think he probably has permanant damage to his vision and his career is over.

how do you come up with that? thats probably the absolute worst situation

how do you come up with that? thats probably the absolute worst situation
I'm a pessimist? It fits what we know so far?

I think if we sign Markov then White probably isn't coming back. Honestly, I don't know the situation well, but I don't think White is coming back regardless. I think he probably has permanant damage to his vision and his career is over.

Do you have any reason or source for that supposition or are you just suffering existential angst and allowing it to colour your feelings into belief?:shakehead

I think if we sign Markov then White probably isn't coming back. Honestly, I don't know the situation well, but I don't think White is coming back regardless. I think he probably has permanant damage to his vision and his career is over.

Talk about being negative. We can all sit here and speculate, but we just don't know anything yet. White might have damage to his eye, but we don't know the extent of it. I don't think White knows it yet..

We'll just have to wait and see. Be it 10 days or three months before we find out so be it. To say that the guy's career is over is not a smart thing to do IMO.

Talk about being negative. We can all sit here and speculate, but we just don't know anything yet. White might have damage to his eye, but we don't know the extent of it. I don't think White knows it yet..

We'll just have to wait and see. Be it 10 days or three months before we find out so be it. To say that the guy's career is over is not a smart thing to do IMO.
I didn't say it is. I said it might be, and that I think it's the most likely conclusion from this injury. If he really does have a punctured retina - and the source we have for that information has never been anything but reliable - then he's in a lot of trouble.

is whiteys eye injury similar to the one berard suffered?

I didn't say it is. I said it might be, and that I think it's the most likely conclusion from this injury. If he really does have a punctured retina - and the source we have for that information has never been anything but reliable - then he's in a lot of trouble.

What was the source? I missed that one.

Didn't this happen to Hale last year? And didn't he have to get surgery?

Didn't this happen to Hale last year? And didn't he have to get surgery?

I'm pretty sure that White's injury is much more serious than Hale's....but then again, I could be wrong. I hope I am.

Ok, I figured out what we need to do and it only took me like 30 seconds.

Place Whitey on LTIR, sign Markov 2.8/1 year. When Whitey's ready to return, trade Matvichuck and Oduya to SJ for Steve Bernier.

Patty - Zubrus - Bergfors
Parise - Zajac - Gio
Madden - Pelley - Bernier
Pando - Brylin - Asham/Clarkson

Martin - White
Markov - Vishnevski
Greene - Rachunek

If we sign Markov, then I get a bad feeling that White's eye is worse then we think. It's hard when you hurt your eye, bc even when you come back you never know if the player will be 100%.

Ok, I figured out what we need to do and it only took me like 30 seconds.

Place Whitey on LTIR, sign Markov 2.8/1 year. When Whitey's ready to return, trade Matvichuck and Oduya to SJ for Steve Bernier.

Patty - Zubrus - Bergfors
Parise - Zajac - Gio
Madden - Pelley - Bernier
Pando - Brylin - Asham/Clarkson

Martin - White
Markov - Vishnevski
Greene - Rachunek

Crap I forgot about Langs...

Jamie to Chicago for Cam Barker...

trade Matvichuck and Oduya to SJ for Steve Bernier.


:biglaugh:

:biglaugh:

According to my sources, SJ is STACKED with Wingers like Bernier and therefore he is on the block (w3). They need d-men.

Ok, I figured out what we need to do and it only took me like 30 seconds.

Place Whitey on LTIR, sign Markov 2.8/1 year. When Whitey's ready to return, trade Matvichuck and Oduya to SJ for Steve Bernier.

Patty - Zubrus - Bergfors
Parise - Zajac - Gio
Madden - Pelley - Bernier
Pando - Brylin - Asham/Clarkson

Martin - White
Markov - Vishnevski
Greene - Rachunek

Nice D, Markov and Vish would kick ass

According to my sources, SJ is STACKED with Wingers like Bernier and therefore he is on the block (w3). They need d-men.
Yes, but garbage for high level prospect proposals are terrible. It's almost as bad as Gomez for Winchester deals we were offered.

It's Neverson and the Post....even Eklund has more credibility than the Post, which of course is almost impossible.

I don't thik that the Devils have room for Markov under the cap, at least not for the money he's asking for. The Devils' cap stands at about $48,5 million right now, Langenbrunner, White and Janssen included.

It's not $48.5 million. That's the totality of cap hits they have, but that's
for a hypothetical 25 man roster.

I did a rough count of a *healthy* roster and had them around $47 million,
but missed the cap penalty and a rough count is a rough count, and there's
the problem of figuring out "would guy A (Bergfors) be here if guy B (Langenbrunner)
was healthy,
and would guy C (whoever) be cheaper than him if guy A wasn't on the roster."

They are not healthy. So, that's moot. Minus White, they're probably around
$45.5 mil. If they were in a situation that required them to sign Markov (White being out for the year or missing a significant part), they have plenty of room.

Then, there's Langenbrunner, who is going to miss 20% or so of his games.
If that were to happen, that pays for one cheapo player for the *entire season*,
or a significant amount of space at the deadline.

IMO, the only thing the cap # is worth is figuring out whether or not you're going
to make it when you have to set a roster. The Devils are not even close, and will get further away from it, right off the bat this season. Even with a full roster.

If you miss it be a few hundred thousand or less and are playing with a short roster, and then no one with a huge contract gets hurt... *then you're screwed*. That's pretty much the Devils last year. By the time Gio went down it, was already late in the season.

I asked my sister who's a fourth year medical student what would be the consequences of a detached retina for White. She said that if it is a detached retina as has been speculated, his career is over. So let's hope it's not that.

****. :cry:

In other Devils' defense woes, Rachunek broke his leg in my 2K8 game against the Hurricanes and will be out 2-4 months, now I have to play crappy ol' Oduya. This is right after Zubrus and Langs came back off my injured reserve. BTW Zubrus is a big baby in video games. That's the 8th time I've injured him since 2K7.

I asked my sister who's a fourth year medical student what would be the consequences of a detached retina for White. She said that if it is a detached retina as has been speculated, his career is over. So let's hope it's not that.
Berard had a detached retina. But the only information we have is that it's a punctured retina - which would probably be worse.

It would be a very good day for me if we signed Markov

If Danny Markov comes to NJ I'll be doing cartwheels. This guy is a beast. He hits like a truck, positions himself well defensively. Only problem is that he's a little too gung-ho and that gets him in injury trouble.

Agreed. He fills White's void perfectly. Mean, rugged, and intense! And when White is ready to return, we'd have a good problem on our hands.

Agreed. He fills White's void perfectly. Mean, rugged, and intense! And when White is ready to return, we'd have a good problem on our hands.

i like how you worded that, a good problem, you can never have too many quality defensemen

Danny's been signing 1 year deals for the past couple of seasons, I can see him doing that again.

I would love it if we sign markov to a 1-year deal. I really see no reason not to. Sign him and white and langenbrunner will be in IR. From the sound of it, this is a pretty serious injury for colin, so why not pick up an even better available free agent?

Anything with the retina is terrible. I worked with someone who once detached their retina by rubbing their eye. He told me he just had to lay in bed for weeks on one side until it healed. It also can take months for you to gain your full vision back if it does in fact fully come back.

Berard had a detached retina. But the only information we have is that it's a punctured retina - which would probably be worse.

Where do you find this information? How come no else knows this but you? Are you just speculating and being negative as always or do you know for a fact? If you do know, why don't you share the source with us then?

With out Cam and White Devils losing a lot of grit becoming one of the softest teams in the NHL even if Markov is signed..

Where do you find this information? How come no else knows this but you? Are you just speculating and being negative as always or do you know for a fact? If you do know, why don't you share the source with us then?
Read the White thread.

With out Cam and White Devils losing a lot of grit becoming one of the softest teams in the NHL even if Markov is signed..
One of the softest teams? :huh: :biglaugh:

The Devils still have plenty of grit. Vishnevski and Matvichuk on defense, and guys like Zubrus, Asham, Rupp, and Clarkson at forward. And Sutter will have them playing a very "team tough" game. Having enough grit is approximately the last concern on my mind.

Danny's been signing 1 year deals for the past couple of seasons, I can see him doing that again.


the whole reason he hasn't signed on with teams like Detroit thus far is that he is holding out for a multi-yr deal at around 3 million per so I'd say the chances of signing him to a 1yr deal are pretty slim.

With out Cam and White Devils losing a lot of grit becoming one of the softest teams in the NHL even if Markov is signed..

You must be kidding man? Or is this wishful thinking on your part?

the whole reason he hasn't signed on with teams like Detroit thus far is that he is holding out for a multi-yr deal at around 3 million per so I'd say the chances of signing him to a 1yr deal are pretty slim.

I'd wager that his asking price is more than 3 million per or else he would have already been signed by now.

Markov... NO...

One of the softest teams? :huh: :biglaugh:

The Devils still have plenty of grit. Vishnevski and Matvichuk on defense, and guys like Zubrus, Asham, Rupp, and Clarkson at forward. And Sutter will have them playing a very "team tough" game. Having enough grit is approximately the last concern on my mind. Zubrus? Are you serious? lol
Asham gets his arse handed to him at this point and so does Vishnevski. Rupp is meh.

Zubrus? Are you serious? lol
Asham gets his arse handed to him at this point and so does Vishnevski. Rupp is meh.

And who exactly does philly have? Preseason is over, so the goons are gone. I guess Mike Richards? Asham would kick is ass.

If you honestly think we're going to be a soft team under Sutter, even with all the new aquisitions mentioned above, well, thats your opinion I guess...

If available, how Gauthier off of waivers. It would just cost the Devs $1 million?

getting Markov would be MEGA

We should go after Andrei Markov.

Langenbrunner
Janssen
White

for

Markov

We should go after Andrei Markov.

Langenbrunner
Janssen
White

for

Markov

LOLZ, Montreal is really going to trade their top d-man for three guys who are out a long time. This is one of the dumbest ideas ever, please tell me you're sarcastic about it.

Markov... NO...

Are you serious? Really what do you know about hockey.......clearly you don't have an eye for talent.

If available, how Gauthier off of waivers. It would just cost the Devs $1 million?

Gauthier is signed for this season and next and his NHL salary is 2.1M and 2.2M, respectively, with a cap hit of 2.1M. The 50% rule only applies on re-entry waivers.


FWIW, based on watching him play before and after, I never understood the Flyers signing him to that contract (both the term and the dollars).

LOLZ, Montreal is really going to trade their top d-man for three guys who are out a long time. This is one of the dumbest ideas ever, please tell me you're sarcastic about it.

Duuhhh

Duuhhh

Thank you.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=338807

Mentioned about 3/4 of the way down the page, after Isles news;
looks like there might be something to this Markov rumor...I'm all for it, fwiw.

where did mike mattau come from? he is a 29 year old rookie? usually that tells you something

where did mike mattau come from? he is a 29 year old rookie? usually that tells you something

He's this years Alex Brooks. He's a joke.

He's this years Alex Brooks. He's a joke.

How about picking up Sheldon Brookbank off waivers.

And who exactly does philly have? Preseason is over, so the goons are gone. I guess Mike Richards? Asham would kick is ass. This is not 05-06 season pal...

Gauthier is signed for this season and next and his NHL salary is 2.1M and 2.2M, respectively, with a cap hit of 2.1M. The 50% rule only applies on re-entry waivers.


FWIW, based on watching him play before and after, I never understood the Flyers signing him to that contract (both the term and the dollars).


My bad. Thanks.

This is not 05-06 season pal...

Yea sure buddy.

How about picking up Sheldon Brookbank off waivers.

Nice call.

Yea sure buddy. Right.. Well I guess because Asham and Rupp are such monsters Luo picked up Sheldon Brookbank ... I guess you know what you are talking about :sarcasm:

Can not wait for a reply.. Seriously. Just give up. :wedgie:

Right.. Well I guess because Asham and Rupp are such monsters Luo picked up Sheldon Brookbank ... I guess you know what you are talking about :sarcasm:

Can not wait for a reply.. Seriously. Just give up. :wedgie:

Ummm, maybe he picked up Brookbank to add defensive depth?

Ummm, maybe he picked up Brookbank to add defensive depth? Yup.. Probably to back up Marty...:naughty:

Ummm, maybe he picked up Brookbank to add defensive depth?
No, that would be too obvious. White will be out for awhile, so Lou picked up a depth defenseman who doesn't make much who was the AHL defenseman of the year last year? And is a right handed shot who put up 53 points last season with Milwaukee? Why would you ever think that? :sarcasm:

I don't have a righty D-man. Now we do. Ah I smell Lord Stanley already.

Right.. Well I guess because Asham and Rupp are such monsters Luo picked up Sheldon Brookbank ... I guess you know what you are talking about :sarcasm:

Can not wait for a reply.. Seriously. Just give up. :wedgie:

I'm pretty sure Lou claimed Brookbank because we lost a huge physical presence on D when White got injured...not to mention that our D is really thin to begin with.

Markov to New Jersey approaching high e4 status

according to eklund.

e4!? Oh ****!

I don't know. Eklund e4's aren't always totally off.

Yeah, this could get interesting

If Markov signs an extended deal to play here in Jersey, he might get Jersey'd on my end.

what does that even mean

what does that even mean

It's the same thing as woozle wazzle

what does that even mean

He'll buy his jersey.

At this rate, I wouldn't mind signing him. We have the cap-space (especially with Whit out), and we to solidify our defense.

ohhh ok. I am debating between a Zajac and Zubrus jersey.

He'll buy his jersey.

At this rate, I wouldn't mind signing him. We have the cap-space (especially with Whit out), and we to solidify our defense.

Wait? He was talking to me? I thought what I said was pretty self explanatory, thanks a lot for pointing that out dude.

ohhh ok. I am debating between a Zajac and Zubrus jersey.

Well I have TWO authentics sitting in my closet.....one white, one red.........dunno was thinking Zajac and Parise. Parise is DEFINITELY getting jersey'd

Well I have TWO authentics sitting in my closet.....one white, one red.........dunno was thinking Zajac and Parise. Parise is DEFINITELY getting jersey'd

That is awesome. Mine is red. I think I might get a white for christmas.

I'd love to see Markov on this team. Both him and White if possible. It would really make me more confident about our D.

That is awesome. Mine is red. I think I might get a white for christmas.

I paid 79 bucks for each authentic on e-bay it was fantastic.

i dont see what choice we have, we HAVE to sign him if we want to stay afloat until white and langs comeback

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2007/10/duhatschek_markov_wants_crazy.html




October 4, Globe and Mail (http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071002.wsptduhachat2/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home/?pageRequested=all): Chris Folk from Halifax writes: Eric, are the rumours of Danny Markov pricing himself out of the market true?

Eric Duhatschek answers: My preliminary checks this morning indicate that the answer to your question is yes: That the only reason Markov isn't playing right now is that he wants a multi-year contract, in excess of $3 million per season, and found no takers at that price. Detroit was interested, Boston was interested and right now, the primary suitor for his rights might be the New Jersey Devils, who find themselves in a bind on defence, partly because of an eye injury to Colin White that might turn out to be fairly serious. The Devils grabbed Sheldon Brookbank off waivers from Columbus yesterday, and did sign Karel Rachunek and Vitaly Vishnevski this summer, but may need additional reinforcements depending upon what happens with White. The problem, for all players looking for contracts in early October, is the difficulty of fitting them either into a team's budget or under the salary cap. In the Devils' case, they may get salary-cap relief if the injury to White is long-term.

I paid 79 bucks for each authentic on e-bay it was fantastic.

Me too.

Me too.

Maybe we got it from the same seller?

Wait? He was talking to me? I thought what I said was pretty self explanatory, thanks a lot for pointing that out dude.
You capitalized jersey so I immediately thought you made up some new slang insinuating you'd whack him...with the Sopranos and all. I only got it because I knew that you were quite the Markov fan.

You capitalized jersey so I immediately thought you made up some new slang insinuating you'd whack him...with the Sopranos and all. I only got it because I knew that you were quite the Markov fan.

I saw him blossom with the Leafs, so I've had a close hand look at him. Laughed my ass off when the Leafs traded him to Phoenix for garbage. He's so much better than White IMO, they hit about the same, White's bigger, but Markov can skate faster, shoot better, and stick handle better. If we're replacing White, he's the guy I choose to do so.

I saw him blossom with the Leafs, so I've had a close hand look at him. Laughed my ass off when the Leafs traded him to Phoenix for garbage. He's so much better than White IMO, they hit about the same, White's bigger, but Markov can skate faster, shoot better, and stick handle better. If we're replacing White, he's the guy I choose to do so.

in a nutshell this is my opinion as well. if we could dump matvichuk he would be ideal.

God I hope not, we can't dish out money he doesn't deserve just because we need him. I'm still hoping that Whitey can return soon...

God I hope not, we can't dish out money he doesn't deserve just because we need him. I'm still hoping that Whitey can return soon...

i was under the impression the devs do have room to play with under the cap???

i was under the impression the devs do have room to play with under the cap???

we're at 48.5 with White and them ON the books without the 2.8+3+.6 = 6.4 we actually have 42.1 in cap figures.....so we win.

I believe you can keep White on the books and still pull it off with close to 1 mill. or so. or 4 mill if you take white off. But we would have to release, send down, or trade 1 person>>(Oduya). I am no expert at Math or the CAP but I will try and explain what I think I see... Correct me if I am wrong lol.

Lets say we sign Markov for 2.7 for 3..... I don't think he is going to get what he wants(at least not from Lou) at 3 mill. and we might get lucky and get him for less.

Get Janssen off the books (Long term IR) +555,000
Send down, Trade (lol), or RELEASE Oduya + 600,000 - (If there isn't a CAP hit on his release once again I am not sure how that works.)

So now with our current 1.763 we added 1.150

So we have 2.913
Markov gets 2.7

Now we are down at 213,000.

We can..........
A. Send down Brookbank or Mottau Which ever one we don't want. It would depend on who but that's either another 500,000 or 462,000

B. We could also keep both on and trade Matvichuk away that would free up 1.3 + the 213,00 so 1.5 but our D would be Vish, Markov, Greene, Martin, Karel, Mottau and Brookbank.

I am going with A so here is the rest.

We will say Brookbank since he has not played yet and Mottau was not all that bad beside his one, game losing mistake. However if we want to hang on to Brookbank we need to keep him up so we could send Mottau down which would leave us with alittle less then I thought.


Now we are at 713,000 still close..... Way to close but we need him I think . (Brookbank Gone) (675,000 with Mottau gone)

So we have a couple of options at this point Right now it would stand that our D would be Vish, Martin, Markov, Matvichuk, Karel, Greene and Motteu/Brookbank

We can ride it out with 713,000 (675,000) till White comes back or take him off the books if you want and give us more room.


Once he is getting ready to come back we ship off Matty or keep him and take Mottau/Brookbank off giving us just over 1 mill. Plus I don't think Bergfors that's another 800,000 So we could have almost 2 mill with White and Langs in the line up after signing Markov.

Then our D would be Markov, White, Martin, Vish, Greene, Karel, and Matty/Mottau

Now i think it makes sense if not i am sure u all will rip me a new one lol but i tried lol

we're at 48.5 with White and them ON the books without the 2.8+3+.6 = 6.4 we actually have 42.1 in cap figures.....so we win.
It doesn't work quite like that and I think Lou would be reluctant to invoke LTIR again this year because it will make it harder for guys to return from injury and will prevent us from making moves at the trade deadline.

If White is out for the year it becomes a completely different story, but I think Lou is probably going to wait until the 10 game mark so he can reevaluate both the team and White's condition.

I can definitely see it happening, and I kind of hope it does. The devils are in a position where they need physical D men that can actually skate well, and Markov fits that. I believe Lou will offer something along the line of 3 year deal worth 3 mil per season. I am honestly not expecting white back this year at all. One of my buddies who is premed said that after all the time it takes for the structural damage to heal, it could take months for his eye to regain sight, let alone enough of a recovery for him to actually play again.

Maybe we can work a deal Oduya for Phaneuf and Lombardi, seems fair to me.:sarcasm:

http://www2.sportsnet.ca/blogs/hockey_hearsay/2007/10/17/bruins_looking_at_markov/

looks like now, Markov might end up in Boston...let's see what happens, mentioned that magic number of $ 3million/yr. Is there anyplace he hasn't been rumored to sign yet?

3 million is quite fair when Jay McKee is making 4

Yeah but you gotta figure that if it's taking so long for someone to sign you for $3M, maybe you're just not worth $3M. Now he might get it out of circumstance and need.

We're not gettin him.

Sending Bergfors down gives us another $600,000 thou. I guess they can always waive or send down Matty, if they want to sign Markov.

That would be pretty good for them, Markov-Chara pairing would be scary.

If White is out for the year it becomes a completely different story.

The doctors told him it would be months and months, and as of right now there is no timetable what so ever. There is always a chance he will return this season but, in my opinion, it doesn't seem likely.

The doctors told him it would be months and months, and as of right now there is no timetable what so ever. There is always a chance he will return this season but, in my opinion, it doesn't seem likely.

Excuse my curiosity, but are you related to White?

The doctors told him it would be months and months, and as of right now there is no timetable what so ever. There is always a chance he will return this season but, in my opinion, it doesn't seem likely.

Thanks for the update, I was just discussing this situation on another board today.

Colin is sorely missed around these parts right now.

Question...

Has it ever occured to anyone, that maybe.....Danny Markov is just simply not that good???? :help:


30 teams since July 1st have passed up on him and he is not in the same league value wise (thats right NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE) as Colin White.

I promise anyone who thinks he is a possible solution to the Devils defensive issues that he is not even a though in Lou's mind and if he was he would have been signed already.

I don't think the problem is the money, I believe it's the years. I read a few times that his agent is looking for 3 to 4 year contract, Lou won't do that.

We should get Markov and put White on waivers.

We should get Markov and put White on waivers.
OMG. I am now dumber for reading that.

We should get Markov and put White on waivers.

And what, exactly, would that solve? Unless you're a White hater, and there seems to be plenty, this would not solve the problem. If White is out "indefinitely" the LTI exception frees up his cap space, if Lou does want Markov, or any other D-man, at all.

We should get Markov and put White on waivers.

Have you even been watching the games? Anyone who's still hating hasn't paid any attention to the defense.

Excuse my curiosity, but are you related to White?

Yes. I was with him this weekend when he returned home for a couple of days.

Yes. I was with him this weekend when he returned home for a couple of days.

Awesome, wish him well for me. I hope he gets better soon and comes and bail us out. We really need him right about now.

Yes. I was with him this weekend when he returned home for a couple of days.

Give him our best for a full Healthy recovery for his sake. And maybe suggest a visor when he is able to come back, Our Defense knows we need him!!!!

and while we're at it. Tell Marty he needs glasses...

Give him our best for a full Healthy recovery for his sake. And maybe suggest a visor when he is able to come back, Our Defense knows we need him!!!!

Don't worry, he'll be wearing a visor.

Question...

Has it ever occured to anyone, that maybe.....Danny Markov is just simply not that good???? :help:


30 teams since July 1st have passed up on him and he is not in the same league value wise (thats right NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE) as Colin White.

I promise anyone who thinks he is a possible solution to the Devils defensive issues that he is not even a though in Lou's mind and if he was he would have been signed already.

they passed on him because he was asking for way more than he was worth.

According to Spector's he'll decide by tomorrow......thinking Jersey won't be it, unless they LTIR White.

if we get markov we will have a wicked power-play plus when white comes back well have a solid defense

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if we get markov we will have a wicked power-play plus when white comes back well have a solid defense

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forget Matvichuk, he's gone.

if we get markov we will have a wicked power-play plus when white comes back well have a solid defense

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? matvichuk over vishnevnski?

sutter isnt even putting matvhichuk in over mattau, or oduya

Yes. I was with him this weekend when he returned home for a couple of days.


Something I've always wondered....

Do you ever talk to him about what we talk about on the boards here? Like the devil's defensive issues, Elias, Brodeur (at the moment) etc?

And vice versa, does he for instance ever inquire about things like that?

Or, is it like he talks about hockey enough, so when you're with him the idea is to keep the situation away from hockey as much as possible?

Something I've always wondered....

Do you ever talk to him about what we talk about on the boards here? Like the devil's defensive issues, Elias, Brodeur (at the moment) etc?

And vice versa, does he for instance ever inquire about things like that?

Or, is it like he talks about hockey enough, so when you're with him the idea is to keep the situation away from hockey as much as possible?

Well we do talk hockey, but usually it is about other players/teams around the league. Not so much his own team.

I edited my last post. I just don't want bad rumours or anything to get started from that. I don't have all the facts, and I'm sure it's a bit of growing pains from a new coach and a completely different style that the players are being asked to play compared to the past 25 years.

if we get markov we will have a wicked power-play plus when white comes back well have a solid defense

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We get Markov and we are up against the Cap and not much better defensively.

Just say no to Danny Markov.

Lou will make a deadline deal to get a good defense man in here. Until then, we just have to assume the core we have no will get better. As other posters have mentioned, even strength is not the issue, but the Devils cannot kill a penalty right now if their lives depended on it.

We get Markov and we are up against the Cap and not much better defensively.

Just say no to Danny Markov.

Lou will make a deadline deal to get a good defense man in here. Until then, we just have to assume the core we have no will get better. As other posters have mentioned, even strength is not the issue, but the Devils cannot kill a penalty right now if their lives depended on it.

But we don't have until the deadline. He needs to do something now. By the deadline we could be looking to ship people out. I'm not saying that will happen, but it is a possibility. This is a huge season for the franchise. This team needs a buzz, and if the team is in the cellar, the new arena will tank.

But we don't have until the deadline. He needs to do something now. By the deadline we could be looking to ship people out. I'm not saying that will happen, but it is a possibility. This is a huge season for the franchise. This team needs a buzz, and if the team is in the cellar, the new arena will tank.

The defense on PK is horrific right now and after the Ranger game we will have played just about 1/4 of the seasons road games and be at around .500. On top of that, the defense can only get better (cannot get much worse and I doubt it will stay the same) after they adjust. The defense as a hole in regards to position and smarts is not a disaster. There is such a lack of a physical presence and there is no PK success right now.

We get Markov and we are up against the Cap and not much better defensively.

Just say no to Danny Markov.

Lou will make a deadline deal to get a good defense man in here. Until then, we just have to assume the core we have no will get better. As other posters have mentioned, even strength is not the issue, but the Devils cannot kill a penalty right now if their lives depended on it.

You say no to Danny Markov because??

You say no to Danny Markov because??

Because it would go against Lou's objectives and philosophy as to why he let go of Gomez and Rafalski....fiscal responsibility.

Lou had tremendous faith in the team last season which was virtually identical to the season before last. He had so much faith he got into cap trouble keeping them together and it did not result in a Cup.

He has never been about high priced, big name defense man (even though Markov does not really fit in under that category).

Lou wants to have options. He has a full 23 man roster, more balance and depth, and more options to make trades.

Why sign a defense man who has not played since last April, is not as good as a defense man as the one that will be coming off the IR for us in the forseeable future, and would immediately put the Devils up against the Cap with little flexibility again?


Danny Markov is asking too much money and apparently all 30 teams feel that way.

Is he a decent defense man? Okay he is. Is he going to make our team so much better that it is worth not being able to trade two of our influx of forwards like in 2000 at the deadline to get a premier defense man? Because right now that could happen. Signing Markov would disallow that.

However, if Markov agrees to a 1 year $1.5 to even $2 million I would sign him under contract. I am sure most GM's would. Apparatly he is not interested in those #'s or short term length.



The defense sucking all the time for 60 minutes is a reason to make a panic move and sign Markov. the defense sucking specifically on the PK and really not that bad even strength which means, some practices and adjusting could solve the problem, is not a reason to make a move like this. And Danny Markov is not such a physical presence where teams would fear the Devils because of him on the blueline. He is not as good of a shot blocker as White, he is not as physical as the stats of hits per game prove as White and he is not the ultimate defensive defenseman. Danny Markov is an average to decent defenseman. Spending the money he wants should go to a decent to very good defenseman at worst.

I edited my last post. I just don't want bad rumours or anything to get started from that. I don't have all the facts, and I'm sure it's a bit of growing pains from a new coach and a completely different style that the players are being asked to play compared to the past 25 years.

Besides, I think I remember reading an article once where some players were critical of some of Burns coaching style and decisions and hard nose disciplining.

It did not seem to effect the teams overall goal of winning a cup.

Besides, I think I remember reading an article once where some players were critical of some of Burns coaching style and decisions and hard nose disciplining.

It did not seem to effect the teams overall goal of winning a cup.
I think that whenever there's change, especially very different changes like what we've seen, there's always going to be some people who aren't happy or are just resistant to what's going on. But that doesn't mean that it's not the right thing to do. I think the Devils needs that kind of hard-nosed coaching anyway. Nice guys and guys without backbones won't get them anywhere.

Besides, Sutter's been quoted as saying that there doesn't have to be love, but there does have to be respect. So I don't think he'd care even if they all hated him, as long as they win.

Besides, I think I remember reading an article once where some players were critical of some of Burns coaching style and decisions and hard nose disciplining.

It did not seem to effect the teams overall goal of winning a cup.
Not to mention it contradicts their reaction to Julien's coaching style last year. Sometimes I feel like this team just kills coaches.

Not to mention it contradicts their reaction to Julien's coaching style last year. Sometimes I feel like this team just kills coaches.

I can assure you, if a player *****es, they will be dealt.

I heard White was at the open house today. How did his eye look?

Besides, Sutter's been quoted as saying that there doesn't have to be love, but there does have to be respect. So I don't think he'd care even if they all hated him, as long as they win.

Also, there have been several players who have been quoted saying they are really excited to play for Brent Sutter and that this is just what the team needs.

I heard White was at the open house today. How did his eye look?

Someone asked White when he'll be back and he said........."It's going to be a while"

His eye looked pretty good though. He looked good overall.

From what I've seen Mike Mottau and Vitally Vishnevski are looking real good out there, while Rachunek is looking god awful for the most part. Who gets sent down when White comes back? The way the teams looking now, I vote Rachunek.

From what I've seen Mike Mottau and Vitally Vishnevski are looking real good out there, while Rachunek is looking god awful for the most part. Who gets sent down when White comes back? The way the teams looking now, I vote Rachunek.

oduya will get sent down faster than you can say "colin white isnt coming back soon enough"

oduya will get sent down faster than you can say "colin white isnt coming back soon enough"

Oduya has a one way contract and would have to clear waivers if they decided to send him down. I doubt the Devils will be sending him down, especially since Sutter likes him so much. When White comes back Mottau will probably the odd man out.

Oduya has a one way contract and would have to clear waivers if they decided to send him down. I doubt the Devils will be sending him down, especially since Sutter likes him so much. When White comes back Mottau will probably the odd man out.

o yea, id be ok with mattau going. i always though of him as a temporary player anyway

At this point I think we should send down Rachunek when White comes back. While Rachunek has that booming shot, he just doesn't seem to be using it alot. When he does use it, it misses the net or goes right into the goalie.

He's just too much of a defensive liability to be playing.

At this point I think we should send down Rachunek when White comes back. While Rachunek has that booming shot, he just doesn't seem to be using it alot. When he does use it, it misses the net or goes right into the goalie.

He's just too much of a defensive liability to be playing.

hes all around better than oduya. plus hes our only rightie shot at the point and he nearly scored the game winner agasint the isles

Oduya has a one way contract and would have to clear waivers if they decided to send him down.

Like anyone would claim him any way?

Eklund is saying NJ and Vancouver are talking...

So are Thomas Jefferson and I..

Eklund is saying NJ and Vancouver are talking...
Is this the same conversation they were having in July? I'm still waiting for that trade.

Eklund is saying NJ and Vancouver are talking...Yeah, but Elkund also says...awww, nevermind.
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Gionta is gone.

Kukla's is reporting Danny Markov has signed a 2yr with Dynamo Moscow of the RSL. 1.8m (I'm guessing per year) after "taxes" appparently.

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/report_danny_markov_signs_in_russia/

what the heck? He won't take 2.5 mil and goes to russia to take 1.8 mil? That makes no sense.

what the heck? He won't take 2.5 mil and goes to russia to take 1.8 mil? That makes no sense.
We don't know what he was offered. Judging by this it was less than 1.8.

Ok, he was making 2.5 mil. I'm guessing they offered him less than what he was making? Its a shame, cause the devils could have used him at 2 mil.

I think the tax thing is key. The Devils paying him 2m (minus US taxes) and a Russian team paying him 2m (minus Russian taxes) is probably a big difference.

And the fact that no one here would pay him that much.

given the contracts for the FAs that Lou signed, I am guessing he's got something up his sleeve. He wants us to bomb this season cause he knows its a good draft.

I'm guessing he's got retooling plans next season.

given the contracts for the FAs that Lou signed, I am guessing he's got something up his sleeve. He wants us to bomb this season cause he knows its a good draft.

I'm guessing he's got retooling plans next season. I can't ever imagine a time where Lou actively wants his team to bomb regardless of how deep the next draft may be. Thats just not Lou's agenda. Never has been and likely never will be.

So are Thomas Jefferson and I..

I just busted out laughing!!!!!!

timing is everything.

I can't ever imagine a time where Lou actively wants his team to bomb regardless of how deep the next draft may be. Thats just not Lou's agenda. Never has been and likely never will be.

Me neither, I just don't think a total sacrifice fits into Lou's vision.