What percent do you give us for signing both Perry and Getzlaf?

I was feeling good about it until another team offered Penner over $4 M and we invested $3.5 M in Kunitz. If Niedermayer doesn't come back, and we trade Bryz and Marchant (maybe next off season) how much room will we have?

50% if not lower.

I can see we retain Getzlaf but I fear that Perry will get a huge contract elsewhere and BB won't match, as in Penner case.

If that happens (we lose either), Burke needs to get fired on the spot.

If that happens (we lose either), Burke needs to get fired on the spot.

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If that happens (we lose either), Burke needs to get fired on the spot.

You chose the perfect user name.

Burke will have made a terrible mistake, but he shouldn't be fired.

Its not a good risk to pay Kunitz 3.5 mil. in hopes to get some bargain by signing him early and risk losing Getzlaf or Perry who are both without a doubt better than Kunitz. Thats what I don't get. I would risk losing Kunitz or paying him more to keep a higher chance at retaining Getzlaf and Perry because I think they are much more important.

~92% chance. After the whole Penner thing, I can't see Burke letting another one of our young player leave. I see Getzlaf as almost a sure thing. Maybe, what, 5 mil? Perry...4?

The only mistake he has made was the 4 million to Bert.

When the season ends there will be a lot of salary coming off the books no matter what. If Scott comes back it'll only be for one year. So thats $6.75 mil right there, I doubt Marchant will still be a Duck by the end of this next year either traded or retired, another $2.52 mil. Rob might call it quits also, another $2 mil. So there will be plenty of money to resign Getz and Perry.

100% he gets is done. I really don't think he allows someone to pluck a young player from the team again. He will be able to deal away a player or two for the cap space of need be.

The only mistake he has made was the 4 million to Bert.

I wouldn't call it a mistake yet, Bertuzzi has the potential to be a dominant force on whatever team he is on. It is a big risk signing for sure, but I don't think we can label it as a mistake yet.

I think its 90% sure Burke won't let Perry and Getzlaf walk away. A big portion of the future of the team lies on both those young players. After what happened with Penner, I am sure Burke will try to more aggressively to sign his young stars.

If that happens (we lose either), Burke needs to get fired on the spot.

Honestly, I agree with that... to a point. Unless Perry absolutely flops this season, signing the two of them needs to be at, or near, the top of his list of things. Now, I don't think Burke should/would be fired, but I'd seriously question his decision and his actions and it would probably make me doubt some of his future deals. Currently, I back just about everything he does, because his track record with us is damn near flawless.

The only mistake he has made was the 4 million to Bert.

How can it be a mistake, when we haven't seen what the crop brings in? Bert may prove well worth the money. As of this moment, it's not a mistake. It's a risk.

Its not a good risk to pay Kunitz 3.5 mil. in hopes to get some bargain by signing him early and risk losing Getzlaf or Perry who are both without a doubt better than Kunitz. Thats what I don't get. I would risk losing Kunitz or paying him more to keep a higher chance at retaining Getzlaf and Perry because I think they are much more important.

Kunitz is statistically better than Getzlaf. Getzlaf does not deserve more than 3.5-4M a year. Why? Just becasue he is a few years younger? Love the guy, but slightly over-rated right now thanks to a few commentators that hyped him up during the play offs.

Kunitz is statistically better than Getzlaf. Getzlaf does not deserve more than 3.5-4M a year. Why? Just becasue he is a few years younger? Love the guy, but slightly over-rated right now thanks to a few commentators that hyped him up during the play offs.

Kunitz also played with a 48 goal scorer in Selanne, and a great playmaker in Andy Mac, and got 1st line minutes while doing it. Statistics are meaningless unless you give them proper context. Kunitz had more opportunity to put up more points, and he had better linemates to help him along the way. Oh, and by the way, he only had 2 more points than Getzlaf.

As for Getzlaf, you think it's the commentators who hyped him up? You don't think the fact he lead the team in points, and was 2nd in goals had something to do with it? That, when he was given first line minutes, he was the best offensive forward on the team? Perhaps the fact he performed so well in the Stanley Cup Playoffs and was a key reason why Anaheim won the Cup had something to do with it?

I think you're fooling yourself. Getzlaf's line was given third line minutes during the regular season, and they were sporadic minutes at best. Kunitz's line was given consistent 1st line minutes, with the shutdown line coming in 2nd. If you don't think that has an impact on production, you've never played the game and/or you don't understand the game. No offense.

Just to clarify what Burke is up against:

Players under contract for 2008-2009 (Cap hit)
Scotty (6,75 very unlikely)
Pronger (6,25)
Giggy (6)
Schneider (5,625)
Bert (4)
Kunie (3,725)
Andymac (3,333)
Marchant (2,517)
Special (2)
Ryan (1,921)
Beauch (1,65)
Sammy (1,4)
O'D (1,25)
Hnidy (0,757)
Huskins (0,625)
May (0,6)
Stache (0,55)

Total of ~49 mil without Getz and Perry.

There are others but i expect them to play in the minors/round out the team in minor roles with minimal salaries. Scotty will in all likelyhood be off the books by then but will it be enough as there are other holes to fill also? With a budget of ~45 mil even getting rid of Bert also might not be enough.

Just to clarify what Burke is up against:

Players under contract for 2008-2009 (Cap hit)
Scotty (6,75 very unlikely)
Pronger (6,25)
Giggy (6)
Schneider (5,625)
Bert (4)
Kunie (3,725)
Andymac (3,333)
Marchant (2,517)
Special (2)
Ryan (1,921)
Beauch (1,65)
Sammy (1,4)
O'D (1,25)
Hnidy (0,757)
Huskins (0,625)
May (0,6)
Stache (0,55)

Total of ~49 mil without Getz and Perry.

There are others but i expect them to play in the minors/round out the team in minor roles with minimal salaries. Scotty will in all likelyhood be off the books by then but will it be enough as there are other holes to fill also? With a budget of ~45 mil even getting rid of Bert also might not be enough.

Some of these players will not finish the season in Ducks uniforms.
It won't be too big of a deal to pay Getz and Perry (if they are around).

Some of these players will not finish the season in Ducks uniforms.
It won't be too big of a deal to pay Getz and Perry (if they are around).

Funny, i just don't see a line of GM's wanting to trade for a fourth liner with two years on his contract for 2,5 mil. Getz and Perry may end up costing ten million dollars to sign, which would mean cutting 14 million from those contracts.

Funny, i just don't see a line of GM's wanting to trade for a fourth liner with two years on his contract for 2,5 mil. Getz and Perry may end up costing ten million dollars to sign, which would mean cutting 14 million from those contracts.

Yea, funny.

Funny, i just don't see a line of GM's wanting to trade for a fourth liner with two years on his contract for 2,5 mil. Getz and Perry may end up costing ten million dollars to sign, which would mean cutting 14 million from those contracts.

If it really comes to that, there probably won't be -that- much of a problem getting rid of a player like Marchant. Plenty of teams could use him, and it wouldn't be as a 4th line player. Marchant is a 4th liner on Anaheim, but that doesn't mean he's a 4th line player on every team. He's versatile enough to play on any line, and be effective there.

When the season ends there will be a lot of salary coming off the books no matter what.

...If Scott comes back it'll only be for one year....

...I doubt Marchant will still be a Duck by the end of this next year either traded or retired...

...Rob might call it quits also...

No matter huh? There's no guarantee any of that will happen. The only contracts that will be off the books come next July are Joe DiPenta and Ilya Bryzgalov. Most of us assume Marchy will be moved simply because he makes mid-level money. Well he does a lot for this team and hasn't been moved yet. Rob won't retire, that's just silly. He only just got married, it's not like he has a house full of kids to enjoy like Scotty. The only one that is accurate is Scotty. If he does come back, one would assume it would be for just one year. But he might, who knows? The guy is an enigma when it comes to his playing future. The only way Burke sheds salaries after this season is by trading people, plain and simple.

Having said that, I think Corey Perry will be playing his last season as a Duck. But I've thought this the moment Penner signed that offer sheet. If Getzy has a big year which he all believe he will, he'll get over 6 mil next season. Look how much Vanek just got, same draft class and probably will be similar numbers. There just won't be enough money for Corey. I think it'll be a double-edged sword for Pers too. If he has a great year, he'll be worth too much. If he has a bad year, he's good trade-bait and holding Bobby Ryan's spot. I really don't know how Burke will be able to re-sign both those kids next summer and I think he knows it indicating the Kunitz signing. I can tell you this for sure, if Bobby Ryan steps up this year and proves he belongs, Perry is gone for sure.

I think both will get resigned unless they are asking for unreasonable dough.

If the cap goes up, there's plenty of room to resign them. Even if the cap goes down, it seems like hockey (by nature of the season off and the new rules) has a burst of good young players, and I dont' see any team who isn't worried about keeping them. Players HAVE to go somewhere. They don't just disapear. Someone has to be taking on all these salaries people claim teams are goina owe their youngsters.

I think this offseason was a run of overpayments. I think next year, a lot of teams aren't going to have the cash to throw around.

Perry is gone only if he has a sub-par season and still demands 4+mil.

If Scott comes back I have to think it's his last year. Marchant can be traded for some prospects, picks or something. If Scott is gone, I'd trade Rob. We may also consider trading Bert. I doubt Getzlaf gets Vanek type money. Vanek put up a 40-40 season. Getzlaf is good, but I can't see him putting up those numbers next season.

The only mistake he has made was the 4 million to Bert.


Until we see how Bertuzzi performs, it's far too early to characterize it as a mistake. It may prove to be a mistake, but we're simply not in position to make that determination now.

I think the chances of retaining both Getzlaf and Perry is in the 70 - 80% range. I think Burke will make a concerted effort to sign both of them. I think if another team gave Getzlaf an Offer Sheet, Burke would be inclined to match---even if it were a little high. If it were way out of line, Burke (armed with a ton of newly-acquired draft picks) might let Getzlaf go.

As far as I can tell, (1) Getzlaf and Perry really enjoy playing together, (2) are good buddies off the ice and (3) really enjoy playing in Anaheim. All of those factors go into the mix when assessing whether either or both can be lured away simply by a little more money.

If I was able to vote in this poll...I would say 90-100% chance. Burke will do everything he can to keep those two players.

I think Getz has the skill set to grow into a HOF player.

I think Perry is a good player who will develop into a good 1st line player in the next year or two. However I do feel that someone needs to teach that boy how to check. He just seems to run into people rather then check them. He often knocks himself around just as much as the other player and this is an injury risk.