Kunitz re-upped for 4 more years, 14.9 million

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=9123

My sources are telling me it is a four year deal for just under 15 Million. Great Signing.

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Good job Burkey! Now lets re-up CP and RG!!! :yo:

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Good job Burkey! Now lets re-up CP and RG!!! :yo:

Hm.. A little over 3.5 million a year, that's pretty steep. Not bad I guess, but I thought Kunie had already signed an extrension?

Hm.. A little over 3.5 million a year, that's pretty steep. Not bad I guess, but I thought Kunie had already signed an extrension?

He has one more year on the previous extension at a little over a million. This kicks in after next season. :)

Kunitz is a great player - good news.

From waivers to nearly $3.75M per season is an overpayment.
Not likely to payoff IMO - thanks Lowe. :shakehead

The kid is a glue player and I'd gladly give him his cash. Good for him.

Kunitz is a great player - good news.

From waivers to nearly $3.75M per season is an overpayment.
Not likely to payoff IMO - thanks Lowe. :shakehead

What does this have to do with Lowe. Kunitz would have been a UFA after this season, Lowes RFA offer sheets have nothing to do with it.

is anyone else reporting this other then ek? if not why all of a sudden is everyone taking it as fact?

Kunitz is a great player - good news.

From waivers to nearly $3.75M per season is an overpayment.


Guys like Daniel Briere, Martin St. Louis, and Steve Sullivan were all waiver guys (or guys who cleared waivers). That doesn't matter as long as they are steady producers now.

Briere in particular said that clearing waivers was a big wakeup call to him. He was lazy and just expected to be an NHLer because of his skill. But once he found out that nobody wanted him, that motivated him to work harder.

Based on todays market thats a good contract.

We basically have him for five years, and I think this guy will prove to be worth it. He is one of the most improved players i've seen come through here, he hits, he's fast, great pk'er, gritty goal scorer he's a less skilled Theo Fluery minus the drama.

3.5?

too much if you ask me

damn getz and perry could than ask 4.5-5.5M

Why? Kunitz outscored them both.

If it was just about 'scoring', then Burke should have offered Penner a 4.5 mil yr. contract before the RFA window opened and I am sure Pens would have taken it. Kunitz is not a 3.5mil yr player. Of last year's top 3 lines, I think he should be about #8 or last on the pay scale. So with him getting 3.5 (if true), that makes for an expensive 3 top lines.

If Burke doesn't re-sign Getz and Perry before the Season starts, I will bet that Perry will get upwards of 5 million next off-season(whether it's from the Ducks or not) and Getz will get upwards of 6 million. Therefore, Burke better already have deals on the table for both of them now.

is anyone else reporting this other then ek? if not why all of a sudden is everyone taking it as fact?

Our #1 Ducks source says so.

Why? Kunitz outscored them both.

so you are telling that kunitz>getzlaf?

no way

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Good job Burkey! Now lets re-up CP and RG!!! :yo:

Canucks fan weighing in…..

I like this signing for the Ducks. Based on contracts being given to RFAs (Horton, Roy, Weiss, Michalek, Allen….), $3.75mm per for Kunitz is a great deal. There aren’t many players in the league that can bring physical play, defensive responsibility and scoring ability to the table. He was one of those players on the opposing team that you just want to see get steamrolled through the boards (or beat up by Kevin Bieksa). I’d have no reservations about allocating $3.75mm/year to a player that can get you 60+ points and 160 hits, while remaining defensively responsible. Kunitz at $3.75mm per is a WAY better deal than Steven Weiss at $3.1mm per, or Fedotenko at $2.9…….

Canucks fan weighing in…..

I like this signing for the Ducks. Based on contracts being given to RFAs (Horton, Roy, Weiss, Michalek, Allen….), $3.75mm per for Kunitz is a great deal. There aren’t many players in the league that can bring physical play, defensive responsibility and scoring ability to the table. He was one of those players on the opposing team that you just want to see get steamrolled through the boards (or beat up by Kevin Bieksa). I’d have no reservations about allocating $3.75mm/year to a player that can get you 60+ points and 160 hits, while remaining defensively responsible. Kunitz at $3.75mm per is a WAY better deal than Steven Weiss at $3.1mm per, or Fedotenko at $2.9…….

Fedotenko is only 1 year deal. Why do some people bring him up on these threads.:shakehead

I think Kunitz will have a great season and 3.5 mil will look like a steal in April. Remember, he was on pace for 40 goals for the first half of the season but than kinda hit a snag. With Teemu and Penner gone he'll be called upon to step it up even more and I think he will. Great job Burkie, way to keep my boy around for the long haul. :handclap:

If true, thats very good news indeed. Kunie will be a core player and the "utility guy" for this team for a long time. Ofcourse i'd have preferred a lesser value contract but 3.75 is fair to both sides.

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If it was just about 'scoring', then Burke should have offered Penner a 4.5 mil yr. contract before the RFA window opened and I am sure Pens would have taken it. Kunitz is not a 3.5mil yr player. Of last year's top 3 lines, I think he should be about #8 or last on the pay scale. So with him getting 3.5 (if true), that makes for an expensive 3 top lines.
Bull. Getzlaf is becoming hugely overrated because of the coming out party he had in the playoffs. Same with Perry to a lesser extent. During the regular season, both of the Toe Drag Twins were inconsistent and sloppy, looking very much like the sophomores they were.

Even though Kunitz had his offensive ups and downs, he was a much more effective player then either Perry or Getzlaf, and certainly Penner.

Confirmed by the Duck's official website. :yo:

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=336320&page=NewsPage&service=page
The Ducks announced today that they have signed left wing Chris Kunitz to a four-year contract extension (beginning in 2008-2009). Per club policy, financial terms were not disclosed.

Great signing, now get Perry and Getzlaf done.

I think Kunitz will have a great season and 3.5 mil will look like a steal in April. Remember, he was on pace for 40 goals for the first half of the season but than kinda hit a snag.

First, I pretty much completely agree with the first statement there. I like Kunitz and the contract isn't bad, he's giving up a chance at free agency and a team pays for that.

But I hate the whole 'on pace for' crap. Its meaningless, he didn't score any where close to 40 goals. Over the course of the entire season Kunitz showed us exactly what he is... a 25 goal scorer. He's a guy that will top the 30 goal mark maybe once in his career. I'll firmly believe that until he proves to me otherwise.

No need for a huge debate on the subject, I know you think Kunitz has more to give. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Kunitz only has one season under his belt to warrant this kind of money. But if he produces like last season he'll be well worth it..

Yahoo's just told me that it's $14.9m US so he'll be a $3.725m US a year cap hit for those who care.

ANAHEIM, Calif. (CP) - The Anaheim Ducks have signed forward Chris Kunitz to a US$14.9-million, four-year contract extension.

Kunitz will earn $1.15 million in the last year of his old deal this season before the new contract kicks in, paying him $3.5 million in 2008-09, $3.6 million in 2009-10, $3.8 million in 2010-11 and $4 million in 2011-12.

"Chris has been a very important multi-dimensional player for us the last two seasons, providing skill, physical play and leadership," Ducks GM Brian Burke said in a statement. "We are very pleased to have him signed prior to his eligibility as an unrestricted free agent next summer."

The 27-year-old Kunitz had 60 points (25-35) and a plus-23 rating in 81 regular-season games last season. The Regina native also added six points (1-5) in 13 playoff games during Anaheim's Cup run.

Bull. Getzlaf is becoming hugely overrated because of the coming out party he had in the playoffs. Same with Perry to a lesser extent. During the regular season, both of the Toe Drag Twins were inconsistent and sloppy, looking very much like the sophomores they were.

Even though Kunitz had his offensive ups and downs, he was a much more effective player then either Perry or Getzlaf, and certainly Penner.

Your point was that Kunitz scored more goals than Getz and Perry. FYI, Getz and Chris tied with 25 goals in the regular season and Getz scored 6 more in the playoffs (I know, the injury. Still 7 goals in 21 games vs 1 goal in 13 games). That was your only argument was goals so follow your own logic then.

Your opinion of 'effective player' is subjective. The Kunitz I saw was great the first 2 months and lost momentum throughout the rest of the season. Over half his regular season goals (13) were in the first 7 weeks, as compared to (12) the 20 remaining weeks. Getz might be getting way hyped and sure you roll with the hot guy, but Getz brings more to the table than Kunitz. Sure Chris hits like a little Brad May and skates like Shannon, but he got lost on that line for the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs even before he was injured. I like his style and am happy he will be with the Ducks for a while, but 3.75mil is excessive.

If Burke doesn't re-sign Getz and Perry before the Season starts, I will bet that Perry will get upwards of 5 million next off-season(whether it's from the Ducks or not) and Getz will get upwards of 6 million. Therefore, Burke better already have deals on the table for both of them now.
What has Perry done to earn that kind of money? Kunitz is a far supperior player right now his contributions get really underrated sometimes.

bad move....definetly should ve waited to see his performance without selanne (?)....i could be very wrong though

Seeing how much Gomez, Drury, and Briere got in the open market, this was a contract Burke had to make. If Kunitz goes on and score 30 goals next season, good luck locking him up for less than 5 mil a year. I think this contract is very similar to Mike Cammalleri and Burke has probably learned a lesson from the whole Dustin Penner fiasco. I won't be surprise if he gives Getzlaf an extension next similar to Michalek.

Not sure of the exact numbers, but it really doesn't need to be, but it looks like the ducks will be forced to start spending up to the cap or trading players like bryzgalov in the next couple of seasons. Currently the ducks are at around 50-51 million so losing Niedermayer puts them at around 44. Next season add on the extra 2 for chris and you are at 46. Getzlaf and Perrey should pull in an extra 4-5 million combined from this years salaries so the ducks would be around 50-51. So unless the Ducks start to spend like a big market team, which i guess they can if they continually sell out, then there could be some issues in the near future.

I thought Penner breaking out at 24 years old made him a little underrated, but even then I think he is clearly more valuable than Kunitz who is what, 27? Penner is more talented, and has more potential. I was happy about not signing Penner, but to follow it up with signing a guy who is overrated based on heart and a bunch of chip in goals by playing on a good line.... Makes me sick.

I like Koon, but this is stupid. I'm not going to sugar coat it for myself so I can swallow it. Its just bad. Keeping Penner would have been better, and if this costs us either Perry or Getzlaf I might just get terminally ill on the spot.

/barf

Bring on the flames, because I know they will come in waves.

*This is an over exaggeration, but c'mon, this is at least a little stupid.

I thought Penner breaking out at 24 years old made him a little underrated, but even then I think he is clearly more valuable than Kunitz who is what, 27? Penner is more talented, and has more potential. I was happy about not signing Penner, but to follow it up with signing a guy who is overrated based on heart and a bunch of chip in goals by playing on a good line.... Makes me sick.

I like Koon, but this is stupid. I'm not going to sugar coat it for myself so I can swallow it. Its just bad. Keeping Penner would have been better, and if this costs us either Perry or Getzlaf I might just get terminally ill on the spot.

/barf

Bring on the flames, because I know they will come in waves.

*This is an over exaggeration, but c'mon, this is at least a little stupid.
Ok so you'd rather keep Penner at over 4 million dollars vs having Kunitz at under 4, plus a 1st/2nd/3rd in a deep draft?

Not sure of the exact numbers, but it really doesn't need to be, but it looks like the ducks will be forced to start spending up to the cap or trading players like bryzgalov in the next couple of seasons. Currently the ducks are at around 50-51 million so losing Niedermayer puts them at around 44. Next season add on the extra 2 for chris and you are at 46. Getzlaf and Perrey should pull in an extra 4-5 million combined from this years salaries so the ducks would be around 50-51. So unless the Ducks start to spend like a big market team, which i guess they can if they continually sell out, then there could be some issues in the near future.
The team is around 48 million right now, without Scott they are at 41, if for some reason he and Teemu come back you cut the contracts of Bryz and Marchant and go from there. And in two years most of the contracts on the roster are coming off the books.

$3.5mill? wow that's expensive.

What has Perry done to earn that kind of money? Kunitz is a far supperior player right now his contributions get really underrated sometimes.

1) He's young
2) He's better than Penner
3) Kunitz isn't FAR superior....he's superior at this point but I think Perry will have a better year.
4) Some team will be willing to give him an offer sheet.

Ok so you'd rather keep Penner at over 4 million dollars vs having Kunitz at under 4, plus a 1st/2nd/3rd in a deep draft?

Don't forget that the extra first, while not a shoo-in, has a real good chance at being a top 5 pick.

Plus Kuntiz doesn't have massive expectations, while Penner, if he isn't putting up 60 points a year will be considered a bust for what the Oilers invested in him.

Kunitz is great. His intensity motivates the whole line. I like the signing.

I like the signing because if Burke had waited, he most likely would have had to pay more money to keep him. :)

His intensity and skill-set sure is enticing! :) :handclap:

I thought Penner breaking out at 24 years old made him a little underrated, but even then I think he is clearly more valuable than Kunitz who is what, 27? Penner is more talented, and has more potential. I was happy about not signing Penner, but to follow it up with signing a guy who is overrated based on heart and a bunch of chip in goals by playing on a good line.... Makes me sick.

I like Koon, but this is stupid. I'm not going to sugar coat it for myself so I can swallow it. Its just bad. Keeping Penner would have been better, and if this costs us either Perry or Getzlaf I might just get terminally ill on the spot.

/barf

Bring on the flames, because I know they will come in waves.

*This is an over exaggeration, but c'mon, this is at least a little stupid.

Penner wasn't even close in points to Kunitz, barely scored more goals than him, and didn't have an impact half the time. He also can't play PK and is slow as hell. Who cares what kind of goals Kunitz scores when he scores goals? Bertuzzi is a garbage goal man....was he bad in his prime? I don't think so.

You can tell Kunitz is RC favorite. He plays all situations and frankly was better in front of the net than Penner.

I have reservation about 3.5 million / year as this guarantees Getzlaf will be getting 5 million + / year, but Burke probably wanted to start signing his core players ASAP.

Penner wasn't even close in points to Kunitz, barely scored more goals than him, and didn't have an impact half the time. He also can't play PK and is slow as hell. Who cares what kind of goals Kunitz scores when he scores goals? Bertuzzi is a garbage goal man....was he bad in his prime? I don't think so.

Bertuzzi will pick up whatever the Ducks lost from Penner, which despite his 29 goals, isn't tough for what other guys bring to the table.

bad move....definetly should ve waited to see his performance without selanne (?)....i could be very wrong though

It wasn't all about numbers to begin with anyways with Kunitz. The numbers probably will take a somewhat of a hit, but not enough that anyone will call for his head, plus the intangibles don't dissipate overnight.

You can tell Kunitz is RC favorite. He plays all situations and frankly was better in front of the net than Penner.

I have reservation about 3.5 million / year as this guarantees Getzlaf will be getting 5 million + / year, but Burke probably wanted to start signing his core players ASAP.

I like Koonie, but at that salary scale seems oddly expensive when put into perspective of paying Getz and Perry. Is Burkie expecting Koonie to start producing a la Andy? Because I don't.

I think we could have him for less money
2, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7M

I think he would sign:)

Your point was that Kunitz scored more goals than Getz and Perry.

No, my point was exactly what I said - Kunitz outscored them both. And lo, I was right. Still am.

FYI, Getz and Chris tied with 25 goals in the regular season and Getz scored 6 more in the playoffs (I know, the injury. Still 7 goals in 21 games vs 1 goal in 13 games). That was your only argument was goals so follow your own logic then.

You're coming across as awfully dense, here.

Your opinion of 'effective player' is subjective.

Opinions are subjective?! Yeesh.

Hey, let's ask Randy Carlyle what his opinion was of these three! Sez Randy:
Kunitz - 17:03 toi/g
Getzlaf - 15:03
Perry - 12:28

This is a fantastic signing... from the Kings perspective.

This is a fantastic signing... from the Kings perspective.

I thought your shtick would get tiresome after the first few posts trying to bait people to argue with you, but man, you keep knocking them out of the park.

Like this one for example:
"This is a fantastic signing...." -> makes everyone feel like, yeah! he likes the signing, woo! Go Ducks in 08!
then all of the sudden, you bring in the kicker
"from the Kings perspective." -> First off, clever use of the ellipses by the way, it all harkens back to the great saying that the secret to comedy is timing. Plus the period at the end adds a real finality to your statement. And the statement itself, you take the joy from the first half of the gag and you stomp all over it. Suddenly, everyone's like wha?! no way, jose! he's not a fan of the signing. Then comes the twist, (the "prestige" for you magic fans), when everyone captures the sinister undertones of your whole plot. It's a fantastic signing for the Kings BECAUSE (in your opinion of course) it's an overpayment for Kunitz, who as the first line left winger of a Stanley Cup winning team (those Kings were oh so close in '93...kinda like '03 for Anaheim), Kunitz must be absolutely worthless and thus it brings you joy to see Anaheim run folly with their cap situation and spending habits.

I am personally in awe. I don't know what else to say. Brilliant!
Well played sir, well played indeed.

EDIT: P.S. I almost abbreviated your name to refer to you. MAN would that be embarassing!

This is a fantastic signing... from the Kings perspective.

When the Kings finish out of the playoffs again this year, Ducks fans will rejoice as they move to Las Vegas. Have a good time, I hear it's pretty hot there.

When the Kings finish out of the playoffs again this year, Ducks fans will rejoice as they move to Las Vegas. Have a good time, I hear it's pretty hot there.Team Pts Avg. Att.
Kings 68 16,859
Ducks 110 16,363Yea, I'm syure it'll be the Kings moving to Vegas....

And Kevin, you try too hard.

Team Pts Avg. Att.
Kings 68 16,859
Ducks 110 16,363Yea, I'm syure it'll be the Kings moving to Vegas....

And Kevin, you try too hard.

how bout some playoff attendance figures of the last 4 years

Penner is ranked 187th overall in Yahoo Fantasy Hockey...just sayin'

And Kevin, you try too hard.

That's it? That's all you got?
I take back what I said.


and here I thought you were creative

No, my point was exactly what I said - Kunitz outscored them both. And lo, I was right. Still am.



You're coming across as awfully dense, here.



Last time I checked 'outscoring' means scoring more goals. Your first message was 'Why? Kunitz outscored them both.' If Chris scored the same amount of goals as Getz, that means they 'scored as much as'. But maybe that is just my dictionary.

Nice to know that when you are proven wrong, you resort to name calling. Classy

Yikes.

Last time I checked 'outscoring' means scoring more goals. Your first message was 'Why? Kunitz outscored them both.' If Chris scored the same amount of goals as Getz, that means they 'scored as much as'. But maybe that is just my dictionary.

Nice to know that when you are proven wrong, you resort to name calling. Classy
Having more points is outscoring someone.

Team Pts Avg. Att.
Kings 68 16,859
Ducks 110 16,363Yea, I'm syure it'll be the Kings moving to Vegas....

And Kevin, you try too hard.

Nice try dumbass...the Staples center holds about 2 to 3 thousand more than the Pond. Try % full, it's a novel idea....

bad move....definetly should ve waited to see his performance without selanne (?)....i could be very wrong though

This isn't a bad point, but I'm pretty fine with the signing. For sure it's a speculative extension (it looks good or bad depending on next year's numbers), but I don't feel "burned" by it or anything.

One thing about Kunitz, though, from last year. McDonald, Selanne, Getzlaf, Perry, Beauchemin, Niedermayer, O'Donnell, and Pronger all had better even-strength scoring rates (http://battleofcalifornia.blogspot.com/2007/08/kunitz-scoring-enabler-gets-extended.html) with Kunitz than without.

There's certainly some strength-of-opposition factors that contribute to that, but it's a prevalent-enough trend that I'm pretty satisfied with the extension gamble. As you say, though, time will tell.

Nice try dumbass...the Staples center holds about 2 to 3 thousand more than the Pond. Try % full, it's a novel idea....

So if Staples Center could only hold 100 people and 100 people came, the kings would have a better attendance? In any case the kings were 91.1% full and the ducks were 95.3% so really thats not a difference at all. Also Staples holds a little over 18,000 while Honda holds over 17,000. Last time I checked 1000 is not 2000 or 3000. Let me be the second to say, nice try dumbass

The only bad deal we had before this season was Marchant and now after the cap raise that didn't look that bad. Kunitz doesn't have the physical tools and the potential to warrant that type of money imho. He pretty much played as well as he is going to last year, and thats not a bad thing, but to say that was a $3.5 mil season is a huge stretch.

For example, what happens if we were $4 mil under budget for next year and you have a guy like Hossa unsigned. We would only have to go a couple million over to get a legitimate star. A scenario like that is precisely why you don't pay just good players too much just because they are "good". What if two teams offer Getz and Perry an extra mil each than we would be willing to pay. It might not be so bad to bite the bullet so we can keep them, it sure seems like a better alternative than possibly loosing one because of Koon. I know some people won't be against this because they like Kunitz and because this deal doesn't mean any of the stuff I mentioned is going to happen, but you have to admit it narrows our option, and its not really like Kunitz is the kind of guy you have to lockup when you have 2 players who are better, younger and with a lot more potential who are going to be available, albeit restricted, next off season.

I really don't like this move, I can't possibly see how Kunitz stock could rise to the point where this is going to look like a steal.

Are we seriously going to hear anybody say next July, "Man am I glad we locked up Kunitz when he was only 3.5 million!"?

I really don't like this move, I can't possibly see how Kunitz stock could rise to the point where this is going to look like a steal.

It's not going to be a steal, but who exactly at UFA age is a steal? Very few times can you get a player on the open market that will outperform their contract.

Just like last year, the Ducks will have to find their "steals" in their young crop of rookie contracts.

Are we seriously going to hear anybody say next July, "Man am I glad we locked up Kunitz when he was only 3.5 million!"?

We'll see. It depends on how far the cap moves and what other team's UFA appetites are. I don't think it's outrageous to think that he could get more next summer on an open market. Besides, it's four years--I think it's more likely that people would say this in later years, especially if the cap keeps rising.

Having more points is outscoring someone.

I guess it could be seen that way, but I don't. I feel 'scoring' is scoring goals. But Chris did get 2 more assists than Getz.

If you want to get technical, Chris had 1381 hours in ice time during the regular season and Getz only 1234. When you get 11% more icetime and your points are almost even...

Anyway, finishing with this topic. I still do not believe it is a bad signing, or want to demote his playing ability, but being older than the kids I think he was a bit overpaid and I think he is on par with the likes of Perry and Getz. Not better, not worse.

So if Staples Center could only hold 100 people and 100 people came, the kings would have a better attendance? In any case the kings were 91.1% full and the ducks were 95.3% so really thats not a difference at all. Also Staples holds a little over 18,000 while Honda holds over 17,000. Last time I checked 1000 is not 2000 or 3000. Let me be the second to say, nice try dumbass

Ok....so you just proved my point...congratulations. Total attendance doesn't matter very much. Selling out is 10 times more important. But I'm glad to see that Kitekitekite's best friend has found his/her way onto this board. Good job for a 2nd post.

When a 17k stadium is sold out, that tells me there is more demand for that event/team than there is for a half filled 34k stadium.

So if Staples Center could only hold 100 people and 100 people came, the kings would have a better attendance? In any case the kings were 91.1% full and the ducks were 95.3% so really thats not a difference at all. Also Staples holds a little over 18,000 while Honda holds over 17,000. Last time I checked 1000 is not 2000 or 3000. Let me be the second to say, nice try dumbass


Not a difference at all? Its a 4.2 percent difference. Plain and simple.

Ok....so you just proved my point...congratulations. Total attendance doesn't matter very much. Selling out is 10 times more important. But I'm glad to see that Kitekitekite's best friend has found his/her way onto this board. Good job for a 2nd post.

When a 17k stadium is sold out, that tells me there is more demand for that event/team than there is for a half filled 34k stadium.

-im guessing KKK's point was neither team is moving to Vegas because both have good attendance/fan base.
-your point is that the ducks have a much higher % attendance and the kings have a bad one, so really the kings should move to Vegas because the % is so low.
-My point is that the stadiums roughly hold the same # of people and the %'s are about equal so i agree with KKK that neither team should be moved, yet somehow ive agreed with your point? explain this to me because you throw out some example of a stadium being sold out to a stadium at 50% capacity, but that has no bearing on this comparison becaue both stadiums are over 90% full and hold about the same amount of fans.

Not a difference at all? Its a 4.2 percent difference. Plain and simple.

actually to be a significant difference a number has to be 2 standard deviations different. When you look at league attendance last season the avg is 16,957. The deviation is 2,333. So actually both teams are right at the average and neither team is even one deviation out from the average. The same goes for % capacity with an avg of 91.8% and deviation of 12%. So there would be no reason to move either team as there is no real difference between attendance.

actually to be a significant difference a number has to be 2 standard deviations different. When you look at league attendance last season the avg is 16,957. The deviation is 2,333. So actually both teams are right at the average and neither team is even one deviation out from the average. The same goes for % capacity with an avg of 91.8% and deviation of 12%. So there would be no reason to move either team as there is no real difference between attendance.

You actually took my Vegas comment at full value.....ok well then we'll go from there.
First of all, the Kings attendance is worse than the Ducks(and yes we're going %-wise). The Kings attendance will be worse this year. The Ducks attendance should be 100%. I would venture to bet that Kings attendance is like 88%. All of a sudden your 4% difference becomes 12%, which is HUGE. Will the Kings move to Vegas....doubtful, but their attendance will suck nonetheless. That's the comment base. Then the sarcastic part was because I was thinking of Nashville's situation, but that doesn't even compare considering L.A. is a huge market. Nashville's % last year was 89 btw, so if the Kings were in Nashville, chances are they'd be moving soon enough.

I go away for three days and the thread turns into this. I love it :)
I think the signing is OK, we should've waited to see how Kunitz does without Selanne.
But then again, Kunitz works his ass off every shift. So thats a plus.

I'm glad we locked him up, though the amount seems excessive. Let's hope he can get 50- 60 points this year, if he does then its a solid deal.

The mans a basher, backchecker and an offensive threat rolled into one!

luckoftheduck, how old are you? Seriously.

Anyway, my comment was that the Kings brought in more people than the Ducks despite being much worse. That's all there is to it.

I'm not sure how arena capacity comes into this, since neither team reached 100%.

I'm also not sure how you're predicting 88% for the Kings next year. If they hit 90 while being ****** this year, why would they be going down when they'll be better next year?

Basically it all comes down to this:

The Kings are freakin' awesome and are the most popular team in California. I don't really care about attendance percentages and all that crap. Besides, only douchebags root for the Ducks. They are basically the little *****es of the NHL.

Basically it all comes down to this:

The Kings are freakin' awesome and are the most popular team in California. I don't really care about attendance percentages and all that crap. Besides, only douchebags root for the Ducks. They are basically the little *****es of the NHL.

If you hate them so much, why waste your first post in a Ducks sub-forum? :shakehead

If you hate them so much, why waste your first post in a Ducks sub-forum? :shakehead

Stone Cold says so?

Stone Cold says, "Lets Party!"

Who gets the feeling that all of the above are the same people?
Kite Kite Kite, duke of new york, and killer weak sweet.

luckoftheduck, how old are you? Seriously.

Anyway, my comment was that the Kings brought in more people than the Ducks despite being much worse. That's all there is to it.

I'm not sure how arena capacity comes into this, since neither team reached 100%.

I'm also not sure how you're predicting 88% for the Kings next year. If they hit 90 while being ****** this year, why would they be going down when they'll be better next year?

Ok we'll just discuss this reasonably instead of making up random disses against our respective teams.

I, and most people for that matter, value % attendance greater than total attendance. Therefore the Ducks had better attendance by my reasoning.

Ok....the Kings had 91% attendance during a year where at the beginning, many people wouldn't have predicted they would be a bottom 5 team in the league. Now the casual fan, which is most people who show up to hockey games in Socal, thinks that the Kings suck after this season(which is incorrect). Therefore, the attendance will suffer. The hardcore fans will always be there, but attendance figures tend to depend on the season before and the fairweather fans. For example, the Ducks will likely sellout every game this year. Is that because there are more hardcore Ducks fans? Absolutely not. Is it because more people in Socal now think the Ducks are champions and are really good? Yes! I'll venture to bet that a number of casual hockey fans who went to Kings games last year will now go to Ducks games simply because they want to watch a winner. If the Kings had gotten a big name FA, I would think differently, but the average person on the street(including a friend of mine who is a Kings "fan") don't know who Michal Handzus, Brad Stuart, Tom Preissing, Ladislav Nagy, Kyle Calder, and Jon Klemm are. Therefore, the average hockey attendee will likely think of the Kings as a bottom 5 team(which they aren't...I think they'll make the playoffs as the #7 seed). The average hockey attendee this past season probably thought of the Kings as a team who missed the playoffs only after a collapse, but were a good team nonetheless.

Who gets the feeling that all of the above are the same people?
Kite Kite Kite, duke of new york, and killer weak sweet.

Me....but it doesn't matter cause they all probably think I'm like 16 or something....

Who gets the feeling that all of the above are the same people?
Kite Kite Kite, duke of new york, and killer weak sweet.

Me....but it doesn't matter cause they all probably think I'm like 16 or something....

I'll take a look at it, guys.

Meanwhile, thread closed.