Niedermayer, Selanne status known next week

Burke: "My guess would be that they’re probably not. If that were their intent, I think I would have heard by now."


Article: http://www.ocregister.com/sports/niedermayer-selanne-ducks-1816534-burke-free

Its nice to have some clarification on the matter, even if its still not decided...

I applaud Burke for his patience and not putting any pressure on either Scott Niedermayer or Teemu to decide whether they are going to retire or not. Further, I understand that after a grueling playoff run, these guys need a few weeks to let things settle down. But the bottom line is that Burke has to put a team together and he needs to know whether to include either or both of these guys or not.

I tend to think that they'll both be gone, but it's about time they stated their position with certainty.

Selanne quits playing for the National team. He does not wear a Finland jersey, ever again. Make your own conclusions...

I applaud Burke for his patience and not putting any pressure on either Scott Niedermayer or Teemu to decide whether they are going to retire or not. Further, I understand that after a grueling playoff run, these guys need a few weeks to let things settle down. But the bottom line is that Burke has to put a team together and he needs to know whether to include either or both of these guys or not.

I tend to think that they'll both be gone, but it's about time they stated their position with certainty.

Yes, I think it's very selfish of both of them to leave the team hanging like that. Burk probably more or less knew the score all along though.

I thiink the ducks know what is going to happen and they just wanted a reason to pick up bertuzzi and schnieder

Yes, I think it's very selfish of both of them to leave the team hanging like that. Burk probably more or less knew the score all along though.

Neidermayers was probably going to announce his retirement in July and Burke asked him to think about it during the summer.

Yes, I think it's very selfish of both of them to leave the team hanging like that. Burk probably more or less knew the score all along though.

Leave the team hanging? Selanne asked for time, and Burke readily granted it to him. Niedermayer was about to make his decision, but was asked to give it more time. Burke made his moves to replace them, nothing was held up by giving these two more time. Two players as important to the franchise as these two can be afforded a few months to make sure of a life-changing decision.

Funny, the decisions matter infinitely more to Burke than any of us fans, yet Burke appears to be the one with the most patience.

Funny, the decisions matter infinitely more to Burke than any of us fans, yet Burke appears to be the one with the most patience.

I think he understands better than some of us that the cup isn't won in August. He believes (rightly so) this team is good enough to make the playoffs without the two and he has a ton of assets and capspace to bring in talent at the deadline.

I applaud Burke for his patience and not putting any pressure on either Scott Niedermayer or Teemu to decide whether they are going to retire or not. Further, I understand that after a grueling playoff run, these guys need a few weeks to let things settle down. But the bottom line is that Burke has to put a team together and he needs to know whether to include either or both of these guys or not.

I tend to think that they'll both be gone, but it's about time they stated their position with certainty.

You really think that was the case?

My guess is that they told him they were retiring and he said... think about it for the whole summer....(or into next winter)... no pressure!

Selanne quits playing for the National team. He does not wear a Finland jersey, ever again. Make your own conclusions...

I thought that had more to do with being 40yrs old the next time the Olympics rolled around than anything else?

I hope both would return, but I think they are hanging them up.
Don't blame them, nothing more can be achieved by these two true legends. :bow:

i hope to god selanne stays,we need selanne right now more than we need scotty,getzlaf will not replace those goals

I thought that had more to do with being 40yrs old the next time the Olympics rolled around than anything else?

That's exactly what Teemu said. He thinks that he's too old at age of 40 to play in Vancouver games. I'm optimistic that Teemu will play one year but that's just me hoping.

That's exactly what Teemu said. He thinks that he's too old at age of 40 to play in Vancouver games. I'm optimistic that Teemu will play one year but that's just me hoping.

Personally, that's my hunch as well. He is tempted all right that's a given, but I think at the end of the day he will not be able to give it all up just yet. Next year there will be the new baby in the family, and the Ducks will be faced with the task of resigning Getz and Perry. One more year without the pressure of not having won anything will allow Teemu and the entire family to take their time planning ahead for the inevitable transition to post-hockey life nice and easy.

selanne will announce is retirement ..... then a week later..... he will sign with the canadiens to play with Saku........


god i would love this man.....

selanne will announce is retirement ..... then a week later..... he will sign with the canadiens to play with Saku........


god i would love this man.....

Why announce a retirement if he is going to turn around and sign with the Canadiens? Why not just sign with them and not announce a retirement?

Why announce a retirement if he is going to turn around and sign with the Canadiens? Why not just sign with them and not announce a retirement?

Haven't you heard? Every good player in the league wants to be on the Canadiens and play with super star Saku Koivu, even Ovechkin.

my prediction

selanne - will retire
niedermayer - will not retire

selanne will announce is retirement ..... then a week later..... he will sign with the canadiens to play with Saku........


god i would love this man.....

Apparently you don't realize that if a player announces his retirement, he cannot play for another NHL club for a year.

my prediction

selanne - will retire
niedermayer - will not retire

That's my hope. Not that I wouldn't want Selanne back obv...but we need the calming leadership coming off a championship season.

I heard that Teemu was not going to make a decision until he landed back here in the states. The last thing he wanted to think about was hockey.

I think its like most hockey fans in the sense, someone asks you if you are going to the game and you say yeah im going (in a calm and casual tone) then once you get to the arena your heart starts pumping harder and you get all excited.

Finland= Yeah Im going
US= Excited

I think hes back for one more year.

Is there an over/under or some odds that a fella can bet on? Perhaps some friendly bets to be made!

Apparently you don't realize that if a player announces his retirement, he cannot play for another NHL club for a year.

Thats only true if the player actually files Retirement Papers with the league.


(Nied would have to since his under contract, but Selanne wouldnt since i dont believe he is currently under contract.)

You really think that was the case?

My guess is that they told him they were retiring and he said... think about it for the whole summer....(or into next winter)... no pressure!

Yes, I think what I posted "was the case", rather than Burke telling them to think it over for the next 3-to-6 months (as you suggest). What benefit does Burke derive by obfuscating the truth in this situation? IF it were deifinite that both were retiring, wouldn't that leave a little much-needed "cap room"?

Scotty came out and said something to the effect that he was leaning "strongly" toward retiring. When Teemu mentioned the subject he was a lot more "up in the air" about it.

I still don't see why these guys need up to six months to decide upon whether they're going to retire as active players. They can always change their mind. Further, all kinds of hockey-related positions are open to them.

Selanne is scheduled to appear at the Fedorin cup at Anaheim Ice today, whether he's playing or not who knows but i'm guessing we will know about him soon. I think Burkes comments hint at what's going to happen.

Let's Go Selanne
1 MORE YEAR!!

Selanne is scheduled to appear at the Fedorin cup at Anaheim Ice today, whether he's playing or not who knows but i'm guessing we will know about him soon. I think Burkes comments hint at what's going to happen.
He didn't show up so that might be a sign. Also, there is a rumor going around that he will be giving a press conference on Tuesday....

I read a report today that said Selanne just enrolled his kids at a school in Anaheim.
That's good news for the Ducks

Is it possible that maybe the long delay in their decisions is a purposeful business ploy requested by Burke? I mean for season tickets sales during this summer if potential buyers knew two of the most popular players on the team weren't coming back how many sales vs. non-sales or even cancellations would there have been these past three months? It's just a thought.

Is it possible that maybe the long delay in their decisions is a purposeful business ploy requested by Burke? I mean for season tickets sales during this summer if potential buyers knew two of the most popular players on the team weren't coming back how many sales vs. non-sales or even cancellations would there have been these past three months? It's just a thought.

I doubt it. Burke is a straight shooter. That would be a huge slap in the face to the fans if they found out.

I read a report today that said Selanne just enrolled his kids at a school in Anaheim.
That's good news for the Ducks

I'd say it's pretty neutral. His kids have been raised in California, and Selanne absolutely loves it here. Even if he retires, I don't see him moving away from here.

I read a report today that said Selanne just enrolled his kids at a school in Anaheim.
That's good news for the Ducks

Selanne has said several times that he's going back to Cali in the autumn regardless of if he plays or not.

I wish theyd both just spit it allready.

my prediction

selanne - will retire
niedermayer - will not retire

Funny I could see the exact opposite.

Funny I could see the exact opposite.

I'd rather see Scotty come back, but I will be happy just to have one of the two back.

Tonight I just dreamt that I was at a sort of press conference of Selanne in which he announced his retirement and everyone was crying. Then in another situation I was walking with Niedermayer and we talked a bit but he told me he was retiring as well.

Never thought their decision would influence my sleep so much! :amazed:

Can't wait to restart to dream about naked girls again :D

Can't wait to restart to dream about naked Scotty/Teemu again :D
Fixed, you don't have to be ashamed, every body does that:D:D

Well, it's finally "next week". I guess we'll know soon.

Wayne Rut, not a Kings fan, but your comment is interesting. Burkie is a straight shooter, but I imagine there must be influence as well when it comes to sales.

I'm sure others won't agree, but in my opinion, sales would have been slower if a retirement was mentioned earlier. Sales are ticket ticket sales, advertising, promo's, etc.....millions and millions of dollars. Good guy, great manager, but one has to consider this and weigh the consequences. He has others to report to, and I am sure that this could have been a possibility. Interesting converstaion piece at the least.

I had a meeting with him last season and I asked very direct questions. In Burke style, he answered right back, in a direct way. I might just ask him this one should I meet with him again!

i don't think thats true because people said that he mentioned it during the seat pick.

Wayne Rut, not a Kings fan, but your comment is interesting. Burkie is a straight shooter, but I imagine there must be influence as well when it comes to sales.

I'm sure others won't agree, but in my opinion, sales would have been slower if a retirement was mentioned earlier. Sales are ticket ticket sales, advertising, promo's, etc.....millions and millions of dollars. Good guy, great manager, but one has to consider this and weigh the consequences. He has others to report to, and I am sure that this could have been a possibility. Interesting converstaion piece at the least.

I had a meeting with him last season and I asked very direct questions. In Burke style, he answered right back, in a direct way. I might just ask him this one should I meet with him again!

Even though I think that's not the complete reason they haven't announced their retirements yet if they already decided, I think you make a good point. At the end of the day hockey is a business and making money is a big part in sports. Remember when Burke said he wouldn't trade Fedorov? Burke is not a stupid man, he will say anything to the fans to make as much money as possible. That doesn't make him a bad person though, is just part of the sports business.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=217042&hubname=

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=217042&hubname=

Interesting article. I'd pretty much given up Nieds for dead...so to speak.

If Scotty and or Teemu do return, is anyone else concerned those guys haven't worked out at all in the off-season? Nonetheless, I'll take an out of shape Niedermayer anyday of the week.

I thought I read somewhere that Teemu was working out. Anyways, it might be a problem at first, but I think they'll be okay.

I think Teemu said he wasn't working out as in the two previous seasons, but he was doing something.

I still have doubts about them coming back.

Interesting article. I'd pretty much given up Nieds for dead...so to speak.

Same here. It seems that he now is leaning towards a return.

I don't know how the Ducks would absorb his salary, but if a player as good as Scott Niedermayer is coming back, you simply need to do it.

Same here. It seems that he now is leaning towards a return.

I don't know how the Ducks would absorb his salary, but if a player as good as Scott Niedermayer is coming back, you simply need to do it.

I thought we would be fine with Nieds coming back... I thought Selanne returning would shift things around.

I thought we would be fine with Nieds coming back... I thought Selanne returning would shift things around.

Maybe. Regardless, it would put the Ducks REALLY close to the cap and way over the imposed budget.

...But Niedermayer with Pronger and Schneider and Beauchemin and O'D and Huskins and Hnidy and DiPenta...that looks SO good. :D

Maybe. Regardless, it would put the Ducks REALLY close to the cap and way over the imposed budget.

Close to the cap? Self imposed budget? I say who cares!

The ultimate goal for a hockey franchise is to win the Stanley Cup and as long as we're under the cap we're fine. We also have a sell-out arena for the entire season so I guess that a second strong run to Lord Stanely would only mean more revenues for our beloved Samuelis.

Clase to the cap? Self imposed budget? I say who cares!

The ultimate goal for a hockey franchise is to win the Stanley Cup and as long as we're under the cap we're fine. We also have a sell-out arena for the entire season so I guess that a second strong run to Lord Stanely would only mean more revenues for our beloved Samuelis.

Our defense would look pretty dang scary that is for sure! :yo:

The first paragraph is pretty encouraging but i'm not getting my hopes up yet.

well...for what it's worth...eklunds 2 cent

According to a few sources at this hour, and some players on the Ducks: Scotty Niedermayer may not be retiring for good and instead may leave an option opento return in November or December....Not sure how this would work cap wise, but it is potentially great news for hockey...

well...for what it's worth...eklunds 2 cent

Elkund is so stupid, I swear he gets the complete opposite from what actually happens. I still remember him saying "According to my sources, Burke has matched Penner's offer."

Not dogging bluer at all, but elkund's 2 cents aren't worth anything. I wish their was a rule that said his rumors aren't even allowed to be mentioned.

As far as Nieds goes, I say this is very encouraging, but he will either be back or not come back. None of that stupid coming back in December crap that Elkund made up.

Elkund is so stupid, I swear he gets the complete opposite from what actually happens. I still remember him saying "According to my sources, Burke has matched Penner's offer."

Not dogging bluer at all, but elkund's 2 cents aren't worth anything. I wish their was a rule that said his rumors aren't even allowed to be mentioned.

As far as Nieds goes, I say this is very encouraging, but he will either be back or not come back. None of that stupid coming back in December crap that Elkund made up.

well...I just threw that in...and I know that Ek is totally wrong around 90% of the time. But what are we supposed to do during summer with nothing going on...rumors are what keeps me alive :D

Close to the cap? Self imposed budget? I say who cares!

The ultimate goal for a hockey franchise is to win the Stanley Cup and as long as we're under the cap we're fine. We also have a sell-out arena for the entire season so I guess that a second strong run to Lord Stanely would only mean more revenues for our beloved Samuelis.

Minor correction, we have a sold out of season ticket arena. I believe that's about 14000. So we still have 3000 seats which may or may not be sold each game.

I just hope that if Niedermayer or Selanne comes back Burke convinces his boss to let him spend more for a year or two.

Maybe. Regardless, it would put the Ducks REALLY close to the cap and way over the imposed budget.

...But Niedermayer with Pronger and Schneider and Beauchemin and O'D and Huskins and Hnidy and DiPenta...that looks SO good. :D

If Niedermayer does return, for which I think he will after watching that TSN piece last night, Schnieder will be traded.

If Niedermayer does return, for which I think he will after watching that TSN piece last night, Schnieder will be traded.

Or we might have one of the greatest defensive units in recent memory! :handclap:

Or we might have one of the greatest defensive units in recent memory! :handclap:

No kidding, and what a lethal powerplay!

If Niedermayer does return, for which I think he will after watching that TSN piece last night, Schnieder will be traded.

That would be a good way of ensuring that no UFA ever wants to sign with Anaheim ever again.

You don't trade UFA's 2 months after signing them, before they have even played a game.

How does playing a partial season affect the salary cap? Say Nieds came back in January, are the unearned Oct-Dec dollars off the salary cap?

I read it too; it's located near the bottom of Stan Fischler's column.

http://www.hockeyjournal.com/Article.php?ArtID=41491

Now, in Selanne's case, he certainly has an affinity to the Anaheim area, so I could see him and his family spending extended periods of time here after he retires. However, in Niedermayer's case, I don't believe he's as likely to have established the same type of roots to reside in Anaheim after retirement. I'm sure you could argue that he may feel that way about New Jersey or wherever he resides in Canada (somewhere in British Columbia I believe).

I read a report today that said Selanne just enrolled his kids at a school in Anaheim.
That's good news for the Ducks

He should come back, with schnieder he could play less minutes allowing him to get through the season with less chance or injury

Schneider has a NTC, so I doubt he gets traded. He signed here because he wanted to play here. He may be willing to go back to Detroit, but do they have the cap space? I know Islanders have cap space, but I'm pretty sure he'll veto going there.

Plus, I'd like to rest Scotty/Pronger during the regular season, and balance time w/ Schneider/Beauchemein/Odonnel/Huskins. Think of having a fresh scotty/pronger in playoffs.

If Scott comes back, at a minimum Marchant has to go, possibly someone else.

What is Bryz's contract?

Hmm....that may be possible if Anaheim formally suspended Niedermayer. That would involve filing some paperwork with the NHL front office, and of course Niedermayer would not be receiving his pay during the time he makes up his mind. However, if Scott is serious about playing again, why would he risk getting out of game shape, along with his salary, by staying away?

How does playing a partial season affect the salary cap? Say Nieds came back in January, are the unearned Oct-Dec dollars off the salary cap?

I read it too; it's located near the bottom of Stan Fischler's column.

http://www.hockeyjournal.com/Article.php?ArtID=41491

Now, in Selanne's case, he certainly has an affinity to the Anaheim area, so I could see him and his family spending extended periods of time here after he retires. However, in Niedermayer's case, I don't believe he's as likely to have established the same type of roots to reside in Anaheim after retirement. I'm sure you could argue that he may feel that way about New Jersey or wherever he resides in Canada (somewhere in British Columbia I believe).

According to TSN, Scott has also enrolled his boys at their school in Orange County for the new academic year. But they also quote him as saying not to read too much into this because he and his family will be returning to the Anaheim area to live whether or not he decides to come back to the team.

http://broadband.tsn.ca/?vid=12568

Schneider has a NTC, so I doubt he gets traded. He signed here because he wanted to play here. He may be willing to go back to Detroit, but do they have the cap space? I know Islanders have cap space, but I'm pretty sure he'll veto going there.

Plus, I'd like to rest Scotty/Pronger during the regular season, and balance time w/ Schneider/Beauchemein/Odonnel/Huskins. Think of having a fresh scotty/pronger in playoffs.

If Scott comes back, at a minimum Marchant has to go, possibly someone else.

Schneider actually doesn't have a NTC according to Burke. I actually thought so for a long time to after the contract announcement, but it turns out that isn't the case. Doesn't mean he will be traded before the season, he certainly won't be.

That would be a good way of ensuring that no UFA ever wants to sign with Anaheim ever again.

You don't trade UFA's 2 months after signing them, before they have even played a game.

Why not? Please, this is a business...**** happens.

What is Bryz's contract?

1.3 million....not enough cap space to make a difference. Bryz and Marchant for prospects could clear like 2.7 million or so.

Why not? Please, this is a business...**** happens.

Please, Burke isn't an idiot.....:help:

Even Billy Madison knows about business ethics. Trading away Schneider would be ugly.

Plus we can USE him!

Why not? Please, this is a business...**** happens.

This does not happen in hockey, end of discussion. It might be a "business," but you cannot run a business without people skills.

Bertuzzi and Schneider will remain in Anaheim according to Burke.

Scott and Teemu's decisions will not force the Ducks to move Bert or Sneids.
Burke said that they made a commitment to the Ducks and they deserve the same respect in return.

Bertuzzi and Schneider will remain in Anaheim according to Burke.

Scott and Teemu's decisions will not force the Ducks to move Bert or Sneids.
Burke said that they made a commitment to the Ducks and they deserve the same respect in return.

I know we love reassurance from Burke's quotes, but frankly I don't know how the numbers will work. Keeping Schneider just to be "honorable" means that Anaheim would invest half of its spending budget on 1 goaltender and 3 defensemen. It just doesn't make sense.

Anyways, Burke's word isn't airtight. He also said he'd match any offer for Penner, but once the situation became clearer, he didn't make a bad decision just to "stick to his word".

Maybe it does work out, but I'd be shocked if Burke has a $5.6M player as his third-highest-paid defenseman.

How in the hell do people think having Mathieu Schneider signed to your team is a problem?

You can bet your shirt Burke has permission from the owners to go a couple of mil over the budget. The team is at 48 mil with Nieds and the budget was 42-44. If Scotty comes back, Burke will probably make a move or two but neither of those moves will include Schneider.

How in the hell do people think having Mathieu Schneider signed to your team is a problem?

You can bet your shirt Burke has permission from the owners to go a couple of mil over the budget. The team is at 48 mil with Nieds and the budget was 42-44. If Scotty comes back, Burke will probably make a move or two but neither of those moves will include Schneider.

Can anyone post a list of the team's current cap with Nieds included? Then if their are remaing players who still need to be signed, list those as well.

I will **** my pants if scotty comes back..Niedermayer is a god, our defence will score more than our offence will though:sarcasm:

Can anyone post a list of the team's current cap with Nieds included? Then if their are remaing players who still need to be signed, list those as well.

Giggy 6.0
Bryz 1.181.250

Goalies 7.181.250

Nieds 6.75 - Pronger 6.25
Schneider 5.625 - Beauch 1.65
O'Donnell 1.25 - Huskins .625

Defence 22.15

Kunitz 1.056.250 - McDonald 3.333.333 - Bert 4
May .6 - Getzlaf .739.733 - Perry .633.333
Moen .9125- Pahlsson 1.4 - R.Nieds 2
Parros .55 - Marchant 2.5175 - Whoever .5

Offence 18.2

Total ~47.5

It may be a little off because of laziness to count to the exact dollar.

The rest you can see for yourself on Irish Blues' site.

Giggy 6.0
Bryz 1.181.250

Goalies 7.181.250

Nieds 6.75 - Pronger 6.25
Schneider 5.625 - Beauch 1.65
O'Donnell 1.25 - Huskins .625

Defence 22.15

Kunitz 1.056.250 - McDonald 3.333.333 - Bert 4
May .6 - Getzlaf .739.733 - Perry .633.333
Moen .9125- Pahlsson 1.4 - R.Nieds 2
Parros .55 - Marchant 2.5175 - Whoever .5

Offence 18.2

Total ~47.5

It may be a little off because of laziness to count to the exact dollar.

The rest you can see for yourself on Irish Blues' site.
getting rid of Marchant would seem like the most logical move to fit Selanne in, but we'd probably have to package bryz or a pick with him. Has anyone else watched the video?

Giggy 6.0
Bryz 1.181.250

Goalies 7.181.250

Nieds 6.75 - Pronger 6.25
Schneider 5.625 - Beauch 1.65
O'Donnell 1.25 - Huskins .625

Defence 22.15

Kunitz 1.056.250 - McDonald 3.333.333 - Bert 4
May .6 - Getzlaf .739.733 - Perry .633.333
Moen .9125- Pahlsson 1.4 - R.Nieds 2
Parros .55 - Marchant 2.5175 - Whoever .5

Offence 18.2

Total ~47.5

It may be a little off because of laziness to count to the exact dollar.

The rest you can see for yourself on Irish Blues' site.

Is May actually shaping up to be the 2nd line LW on the Ducks?

I agree with the Marchant comment, though obviously the return would be low... but I don't know if it would be wise for the Ducks to move Bryzgalov. The cap hit isn't too restrictive, and he provides an exceptional insurance policy in goal.

Is May actually shaping up to be the 2nd line LW on the Ducks?

With no Penner and no Selanne, he'd move up there unless the "whoever" steps up there. If Selanne is back, I'd guess we'd have to move Bert to the second line and he or Perry would have to play LW.

With no Penner and no Selanne, he'd move up there unless the "whoever" steps up there. If Selanne is back, I'd guess we'd have to move Bert to the second line and he or Perry would have to play LW.

I think Marchant is more likely. He has more offensive upside, and has more speed to go with Andy Mac and Kunitz.

Maybe Nieds can make it a annual event keeping us in purgatory.

I think Marchant is more likely. He has more offensive upside, and has more speed to go with Andy Mac and Kunitz.

I am not sold on the idea of Marchant as a first line forward. He is fast alright, but I don't know how effective that line would be.

Is May actually shaping up to be the 2nd line LW on the Ducks?

I agree with the Marchant comment, though obviously the return would be low... but I don't know if it would be wise for the Ducks to move Bryzgalov. The cap hit isn't too restrictive, and he provides an exceptional insurance policy in goal.

If Nieds comes back and Selanne retires then the lines will look something like this:

Bertuzzi-Getzlaf-Perry
Kunitz-McDonald-Ryan/FA
Moen-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
May-Marchant-Parros/King/Lacoutiere

Niedermayer-Beauchemin
Schneider-Pronger
O'Donnell-Huskins/Dipenta/Drats/Hindy

This question is hard to answer right now, because not knowing about Teemu and Scotty leaves to many question marks. If Selanne comes back as well, then trades will happen, and many players could be involved. Bryzgalov and Marchant would be the most probable to trade, but I believe Drats, O'Donnell, and Huskins could all be dealt as well. Obviously not all of them would be dealt, but I believe one of them could go if Selanne and Nieds both come back.

This is from tonights LA Times, new quotes from Scott..


But now, as the Ducks get closer to the opening of training camp on Sept. 10, Niedermayer says he has begun to think about playing again. He has two years and $13.5 million left on his Ducks contract.

"He's getting cold feet," joked his wife, Lisa, as the two stood in a parking lot in Cranbrook, Canada, where they grew up.

Asked about the Ducks' opening series of the upcoming regular season -- consecutive games against the Kings in London on Sept. 29-30 -- Niedermayer was more certain. He made it clear that the trip was too far and that he does not plan to go. "Let's put it this way," said the four-time Stanley Cup winner, "there's a bigger chance that I will play this season than go to London."
Sounds like if he returns it will be during the season, or atleast not going to London..

I dont know where Bobby Ryan is going to play if he makes the team. He isnt nearly a good enough skater to play on a line with Mac and if he is put with the kids there is potential for defensive coverage disasters...I cant see him getting 8 min a game on the 4th line either. I guess my lines with him in would be:

Kunitz-Mac-Bert
Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry
Moen-Pahlsson-Nieds
Miller-Marchant-Parros/Carter/whomever decides to have a nice camp


Eh, that lineup is blah.

This is from tonights LA Times, new quotes from Scott..


Sounds like if he returns it will be during the season, or atleast not going to London..

Thats pretty lame. Make a decision and stick with it...if this goes farther than training camp it is liable to become a distraction to the team.

Sounds like if he returns it will be during the season, or atleast not going to London..

He really thinks he is hot ***** doesn't he? What kind of player chooses what games he will play in? Either he is on the team or he is not on the team. This is whole thing is getting old, Burke seems like he is being way more patient than I would be.

He really thinks he is hot ***** doesn't he? What kind of player chooses what games he will play in? Either he is on the team or he is not on the team. This is whole thing is getting old, Burke seems like he is being way more patient than I would be.

Neidermayer can do what he wants, he just brought Anaheim a cup.

Neidermayer can do what he wants, he just brought Anaheim a cup.

Oh right, I forgot how he single handedly won us the cup. I shouldn't forget important facts like that. :sarcasm:

The bottom line is this - The whole sitting on the fence deal is getting ridiculous, and comments about not playing certain games with the team because it's too far to travel just mean that he probably should retire because that's a really poor attitude for a team captain to have.

Oh right, I forgot how he single handedly won us the cup. I shouldn't forget important facts like that. :sarcasm:

The bottom line is this - The whole sitting on the fence deal is getting ridiculous, and comments about not playing certain games with the team because it's too far to travel just mean that he probably should retire because that's a really poor attitude for a team captain to have.

The Ducks are a way better team with him, the NHL is for North America, I would not want to go to London either too play two games.

Bottom line is that the entire Ducks roster and all the Duck fans would welcome Neidermayer back with open arms when he decides to return no matter how long he takes to make that decision.

Of course we're going to welcome him back. It doesn't make him or his attitude any less annoying.

Of course we're going to welcome him back. It doesn't make him or his attitude any less annoying.

If Burke is not complaining then why should fans?

Bottom line is that the entire Ducks roster and all the Duck fans would welcome Neidermayer back with open arms when he decides to return no matter how long he takes to make that decision.

Well said. I don't know who's pushing the notion that we are getting effed here, but if Scotty wants to play mid-October, I'm not really going to start crying about how ruined the Ducks are. It may seem annoying or petty, but really, there are lots of teams who would love to have Anaheim's "problems".

I don't like this crap as well.
He will get paid to play, not to choose which games he will play.

I would be more than happy to see him back, but I never liked primadonna attitude and I would have never thought to say this about Mr Scott Niedermayer.

He really thinks he is hot ***** doesn't he? What kind of player chooses what games he will play in? Either he is on the team or he is not on the team. This is whole thing is getting old, Burke seems like he is being way more patient than I would be.
Maybe he's tired of all the travel. If the lockerroom is ok with it I don't see any problems. As for being a distraction...whos' going to distract the players? the 4 people that cover the team? Carlyle has proven as a coach he's pretty good at getting his players focused.

The Ducks are a way better team with him, the NHL is for North America, I would not want to go to London either too play two games.


I know, poor Scotty and his $6,750,000 a year contract. Two games in London really is just so much to ask. :sarcasm:

I know, poor Scotty and his $6,750,000 a year contract. Two games in London really is just so much to ask. :sarcasm:

Well you don't have to pay him for those two games, you should feel happy.

I know, poor Scotty and his $6,750,000 a year contract. Two games in London really is just so much to ask. :sarcasm:

I rather have Scotty for 80 games + playoffs than for none...

Maybe he's tired of all the travel. If the lockerroom is ok with it I don't see any problems. As for being a distraction...whos' going to distract the players? the 4 people that cover the team? Carlyle has proven as a coach he's pretty good at getting his players focused.

No, but if I was one of the defensemen out there busting my ass everyday to be on that roster I wouldnt be too happy to see him pick and choose dates when he wants to play, no matter who he is. That isnt the sort of mentality that the captain of the team should have.

I talk as an european fan who wanted to go to London to see the Ducks play. Where is the respect for us fans???

Still, I want him back, but this is not something I expected by someone I thought a class act like Scott Nieds.

Still, I want him back, but this is not something I didn't expect by someone I thought a class act like Scott Nieds.


You sure you wanted to say that? You're saying you did expect that... :)

so what player will be moved out when scotty decides to play .

You sure you wanted to say that? You're saying you did expect that... :)

Awake at 2AM and still up. Understand me ;)

so what player will be moved out when scotty decides to play .

One of Hnidy, Huskins, DiPenta or Kondratiev.

If Burke is not complaining then why should fans?
I dunno. Maybe because not all fans are mindless drones who base their opinions on someone else's?

I dunno. Maybe because not all fans are mindless drones who base their opinions on someone else's?

Well if the GM of the organization is not complaining and whining then why should the fans?

If Burke is not complaining then why should fans?


Because I live in Italy and if I could, I would have taken some days off from work, booked a flight, a hotel and two damn tickets to see my team play.
As a fan attending the games, I would be majorly pissed to spend a lot of money and miss one of the players I admire the most because he doesn't like the idea to fly to Europe! :rant:

Look, I would love to see the Ducks play even without Nieds but I don't like one bit this lack of respect towards teammates and fans.

I dunno. Maybe because not all fans are mindless drones who base their opinions on someone else's?

Eh, I guess not ALL are...

Could one of the reasons he doesn't want to go to London as well is he is still injured? During the playoffs he had his foot pretty wrapped up. Mabye he is still dealing with that injury and nothing is worse on a bad leg than two 13 hour flights . Just ask David Beckham, the flight made his ankle twice as bad than before he left and that set him back over two weeks.

This does not happen in hockey, end of discussion. It might be a "business," but you cannot run a business without people skills.

hah OK...is this your 1st or 2nd year of following the NHL? This could easily happen.

Well if the GM of the organization is not complaining and whining then why should the fans?

So if Burkes makes a trade you don't like you shouldn't complain about it? If everyone must share Burkes opinion about everything this board would be useless.

People are different, you just have to live with it...

Neidermayer can do what he wants, he just brought Anaheim a cup.

And was paid big time dollars. His hockey greatness means he deserves more $$$$$, not the right to screw a team around.

The Ducks are a way better team with him, the NHL is for North America, I would not want to go to London either too play two games.

Bottom line is that the entire Ducks roster and all the Duck fans would welcome Neidermayer back with open arms when he decides to return no matter how long he takes to make that decision.

Get over Niedermayer already. He's not some Mother Terrisia of hockey, doing this for the kids. He's doing to get rich.

Just because Burke isn't saying anything negative publicly doesn't mean he's not annoyed at the situation. Bottom line is Niedermayer needs to make a decision already. Training camp is almost here and he still doesn't know?

So if Burkes makes a trade you don't like you shouldn't complain about it? If everyone must share Burkes opinion about everything this board would be useless.

People are different, you just have to live with it...

The difference is Burke told Neidermayer to take all the time he needs.

I don't know how some people do not understand this, If Neidermayer needs till October or Novemeber to decide that's fine.

Burke told Neidermayer to take the time he needs.

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have Scotty train and get in shape before he plays. He probably hasn't done much over the offseason so he could be a liability if he's just inserted into the lineup his first day back. That's also an injury risk too. In the end, I'd rather have him when it counts than not at all.

Bottom line is Niedermayer needs to make a decision already.
Why does he need to make a decision right this second?

Without him we have a D squad that is top 10 in the league this year, it is not like the fate of the team is riding on this decision. Burke did his job and filled the gap his absence would cause (I am not saying Schneider = S.Neids, just that he fills the hole in the roster of losing S.Neids).

If he chooses to come back at the start of the season then great, if he plays in London then great, if he waits and comes back at Christmas then great, if he chooses to retire we are covered and we will be sad to see him go but we will survive and we will still have a good D squad.

Why does he need to make a decision right this second?

Well it does hold up planning when it comes to players and the cap for the team.

I think it is one of those things that if he comes back, then it is OK that he waited. If he doesn't, then everyone will be peeved that he didn't decide that earlier so the team could plan better for it. Same goes for Teemu.

If they come back and don't play until the homestands on 10/10 or 10/25, that should be OK, but into Nov would be a little long.

Why does he need to make a decision right this second?

Because hundreds of poolers don't know whether to draft him, duh.

Niedermayer needs to understand that he needs to hurry and make his life-changing decision so poolies are ready on draft day.

hah OK...is this your 1st or 2nd year of following the NHL? This could easily happen.

Name me the last example of someone getting signed in the offseason and getting traded in that same offseason. I await your examples.

Well you don't have to pay him for those two games, you should feel happy.

Actually, I think you would. I'd have to go back over the CBA to see if there is some kind of reserve/suspended list for him not having reported yet, but as long as he's on the roster he'd be drawing a paycheck and that salary could count against the salary cap. Unless the NHL allows the Ducks to stash him on LTIR until he's ready to play, I don't see how his salary could be avoided since he's under contract already and the Ducks would need to keep him on the roster or risk the waiver process. If he was removed from the roster, he would probably have to clear re-entry waivers to be added back onto it. What are the chances that would happen?

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have Scotty train and get in shape before he plays. He probably hasn't done much over the offseason so he could be a liability if he's just inserted into the lineup his first day back. That's also an injury risk too. In the end, I'd rather have him when it counts than not at all.

Good point. Most of Scott's game is based around his speed and skill. Those are two of the things that suffer the most from long layoffs. He'll need to be in game-condition or hell be a step slower and just off on his timing. That would really take away what makes him who he is and might even do more harm than help until he's back in shape.

Name me the last example of someone getting signed in the offseason and getting traded in that same offseason. I await your examples.

Only recent one I can think of was Craig Adams. He signed with the Ducks and was almost immediately traded to the future Stanley Cup Winning Hurricanes for St. Jacques. *
2005-Oct-03 Traded from Anaheim Mighty Ducks to Carolina Hurricanes for Bruno St. Jacques hockeydb.com

Scatchard was traded soon after he signed, but I believe the season had already started.

Name me the last example of someone getting signed in the offseason and getting traded in that same offseason. I await your examples.

Vitaly Vishnevski?

I know it's not the same situation, but you asked.

Actually, I think you would. I'd have to go back over the CBA to see if there is some kind of reserve/suspended list for him not having reported yet, but as long as he's on the roster he'd be drawing a paycheck and that salary could count against the salary cap. Unless the NHL allows the Ducks to stash him on LTIR until he's ready to play, I don't see how his salary could be avoided since he's under contract already and the Ducks would need to keep him on the roster or risk the waiver process. If he was removed from the roster, he would probably have to clear re-entry waivers to be added back onto it. What are the chances that would happen?
Please read:

(c) For Players that are suspended, either by a Club or by the League, the Player Salary and Bonuses that are not paid to such Players shall not count against a Club's Upper Limit or against the Players' Share for the duration of the suspension, but the Club must have Payroll Room for such Player's Player Salary and Bonuses in order for such Player to be able to return to Play for the Club.

In Scotty's case I am not sure how much difference it would make to the cap as they have to keep room for him to return even if his time off would not count.

Only recent one I can think of was Craig Adams. He signed with the Ducks and was almost immediately traded to the future Stanley Cup Winning Hurricanes for St. Jacques. *


Scatchard was traded soon after he signed, but I believe the season had already started.

Ok Craig Adams is a legit example. I would also think that Burke wanted St. Jacques originally and needed leverage, but that's a good example. However, he's not a marquee player.

Vitaly Vishnevski?

I know it's not the same situation, but you asked.

Yeah that doesn't count.

Name me the last example of someone getting signed in the offseason and getting traded in that same offseason. I await your examples.

Dude, who cares...the point is Schneider is useless if Nieds returns. Prongs and Nieds at the point.

Because there are no recent example = it can't happen?

Sometimes **** happens

Why would a future UFA ever want to sign in Anaheim if the precedent is set that the organization will just trade you a few weeks later?

I am pretty sure thats not the kind of PR you want your organization to take.

NVM
saw Rallykiller already posted

Why would a future UFA ever want to sign in Anaheim if the precedent is set that the organization will just trade you a few weeks later?

Extenuating circumstances? I doubt any future UFAs will automatically conclude "I bet this is the way they always do business."

Dude, who cares...the point is Schneider is useless if Nieds returns. Prongs and Nieds at the point.

A team can never have too many good defenseman, or good players in general.

Schneider gives them much more depth and makes them that much harder to play against. He would improve their 2nd PP unit, and would remove one of Hnidy, Huskins, or Dipenta from the day-to-day lineup which would strengthen them at ES.

Plus, with Schneider on the team, you wouldn't have to play Niedermayer and Pronger into the ground, thus keeping them fresh for the playoffs.

In addition, what else would they do with Schneider's money? They are under the salary cap with Niedermayer and Schneider, so why trade Schneider?

Extenuating circumstances? I doubt any future UFAs will automatically conclude "I bet this is the way they always do business."

I would agree but I would also believe on behalf of Schneider the NHLPA would tell agents of UFAs if it's at all possible could you not negotiate deals with the Ducks because of bad business ethics.

If I was Schneider and I decided to sign with the defending cup champs as a UFA and then a few weeks later before the season started I got dealt to another team. I would not report there and I would not honor my contract.

I would agree but I would also believe on behalf of Schneider the NHLPA would tell agents of UFAs if it's at all possible could you not negotiate deals with the Ducks because of bad business ethics.

If I was Schneider and I decided to sign with the defending cup champs as a UFA and then a few weeks later before the season started I got dealt to another team. I would not report there and I would not honor my contract.

Possibly, but do you really think Schneider wasn't aware of this possibility when he signed? I'm betting this was discussed with him before he put his name in ink. If there were reassurances that no matter what he wouldn't be traded, then yes, that probably has to be honored, but I haven't seen any record of that sort of promise. I'd be inclined to believe that this possibility was discussed, and wouldn't hit him out of left field.

We'll see. Perhaps he stays, but in terms of dollar-spending, that's a lot of the pie going to the blueline, and who's to say that Schneider's money going towards the forwards wouldn't make this a better team?

I remember reading Burke saying Shneider and Bertuzzi will be staying regardless of Neidermayer and Selanne, so to deal one of Bertuzzi or Schneider would look real bad.

I just don't see that happening.

Dude, who cares...the point is Schneider is useless if Nieds returns. Prongs and Nieds at the point.

Exactly....you're unwilling to back your statement up with any evidence, but you want to remain right so you post stuff like this. Schneider is useless? Really? Last time I checked there were two PP units in hockey and the point on the Ducks 2nd unit last year wasn't very impressive. How about taking some of the 30 min a night load off of Niedermayer and Pronger. But that wouldn't prove your point would it? So we can't include that.

Possibly, but do you really think Schneider wasn't aware of this possibility when he signed? I'm betting this was discussed with him before he put his name in ink. If there were reassurances that no matter what he wouldn't be traded, then yes, that probably has to be honored, but I haven't seen any record of that sort of promise. I'd be inclined to believe that this possibility was discussed, and wouldn't hit him out of left field.

We'll see. Perhaps he stays, but in terms of dollar-spending, that's a lot of the pie going to the blueline, and who's to say that Schneider's money going towards the forwards wouldn't make this a better team?

Defense wins championships not offense.

This is from tonights LA Times, new quotes from Scott..


Sounds like if he returns it will be during the season, or atleast not going to London..

You actually think the L.A. Times went to Cranbrook just to see what Scotty was doing? Cmon. Do they even know where that is? Please! I'm sure he will go if he's told to go. Besides, why is the NHL trying to sell the game in England, when they can't even sell it in the U.S. It's quite laughable. Bettman, you piece of ****! Learn how to run a league. Sorry got off topic a bit. Probably got some quote from some joe smoe in Cranbrook, that was bothering Scotty and his wife.

Defense wins championships not offense.

OK, but oversimplifications aside, with Scott back we'd essentially have a championship blueline back (less Jackman). Do you think that $5.6M would be better spent on adding another defenseman to that mix, or perhaps to replace a top-line winger named Selanne?

I understand that Schneider will improve the blueline, but it seems like there might be a more pressing need, doesn't it?

OK, but oversimplifications aside, with Scott back we'd essentially have a championship blueline back (less Jackman). Do you think that $5.6M would be better spent on adding another defenseman to that mix, or perhaps to replace a top-line winger named Selanne?

I understand that Schneider will improve the blueline, but it seems like there might be a more pressing need, doesn't it?

What forward would you suggest the Ducks get? All of the quality forwards were scooped up 2 months ago.

What forward would you suggest the Ducks get? All of the quality forwards were scooped up 2 months ago.

I wasn't thinking of anyone specifically, really. But you're right--the spot is probably better filled through a trade than through a signing.

Dude, who cares...the point is Schneider is useless if Nieds returns. Prongs and Nieds at the point.

And for the 2nd PP unit? Are you forgetting that there are 2 PP units?

As someone pointed out, you can never have too many good defensemen. If Nieds is back, Schneider is not useless. He improves the depth of our defense, and your defense can never be too good.

OK, but oversimplifications aside, with Scott back we'd essentially have a championship blueline back (less Jackman). Do you think that $5.6M would be better spent on adding another defenseman to that mix, or perhaps to replace a top-line winger named Selanne?

I understand that Schneider will improve the blueline, but it seems like there might be a more pressing need, doesn't it?

I do know that Burke is against trading UFA's that came directly to Anaheim. It's not good for future negotiations. More than that, Schneider is a defenseman that fits very well in the current NHL. He's a skating defenseman, with a lot of offensive upside. You don't think he can help put points on the board? Let's not forget that a great defense doesn't just stop goals from going in. One of the reasons Anaheim's defense was so scary was because they helped put pucks in the opposing team's net.

And for the 2nd PP unit? Are you forgetting that there are 2 PP units?

As someone pointed out, you can never have too many good defensemen. If Nieds is back, Schneider is not useless. He improves the depth of our defense, and your defense can never be too good.

Prongs plays the whole 2 mins...and Beauchen will join him for the last minute. And don't tell me 'but we can't burn them out' guys like Prongs or Nied thrive on playing big minutes.

I do know that Burke is against trading UFA's that came directly to Anaheim. It's not good for future negotiations. More than that, Schneider is a defenseman that fits very well in the current NHL. He's a skating defenseman, with a lot of offensive upside. You don't think he can help put points on the board? Let's not forget that a great defense doesn't just stop goals from going in. One of the reasons Anaheim's defense was so scary was because they helped put pucks in the opposing team's net.

I suppose, maybe you're right. But still, was there any point in the season last year where if Detroit offered a Schneider-for-Selanne trade, we'd take it? Because that's sort of what this offseason feels like.

Prongs plays the whole 2 mins...and Beauchen will join him for the last minute. And don't tell me 'but we can't burn them out' guys like Prongs or Nied thrive on playing big minutes.
The fact that he was over played is one of the issues he is dealing with when contemplating retirement. The minutes he played took a huge toll on his body and if you look at some of his comments the toll on his body is a big part of this decision for him.

He did play big minutes, but at a cost. Many of those over played minutes where when he was injured (2 months in reg season and 2 play off series he had a bad foot) and I am sure that is affecting his decision also.

Having Schneider there takes away a lot of our dependency off of S.Nieds such that we could let him heal some.

Prongs plays the whole 2 mins...and Beauchen will join him for the last minute. And don't tell me 'but we can't burn them out' guys like Prongs or Nied thrive on playing big minutes.

Prongs played the whole 2 minutes because we had no one else who could step in and be effective on the 2nd PP unit. There was Scotty, Prongs, and Franky... and that was it for defense. Throw in Schneider, and Prongs doesn't need to play the whole 2 minutes. Let's say Carlyle wants him to play the whole 2 minutes, fine, then you throw Schneider out there instead of Beauchemin. Schneider is a much better PP player than Beauchemin is.

I think it's funny that some actually people think Schneider is a waste of space if Niedermayer returns. Schneider doesn't do anything besides make an already great defense even better. Not to mention that he brings points as well.

If Niedermayer stays and Selanne retires, I anticipate Bertuzzi + Schneider = points lost from Teemu.

I suppose, maybe you're right. But still, was there any point in the season last year where if Detroit offered a Schneider-for-Selanne trade, we'd take it? Because that's sort of what this offseason feels like.

No, you're right. If it comes down to Selanne or Schneider, the answer is obvious. Selanne is better for Anaheim, and there's simply no question about it. If Burke has to decide between the two of them, I'd be willing to bet that he would go with Selanne. Burke may never be put in that situation, because Selanne may retire and that may be that. Do you think Burke would hate being put in that situation? Having to find room for a 48 goal scorer?

I think it's funny that some actually people think Schneider is a waste of space if Niedermayer returns. Schneider doesn't do anything besides make an already great defense even better. Not to mention that he brings points as well.

No, I'm not saying that. I think that Schneider is an expensive third option for a blueline that doesn't have any missing pieces from last year when there are some serious holes to fill up front.

If Niedermayer stays and Selanne retires, I anticipate Bertuzzi + Schneider = points lost from Teemu.

Between Selanne and Penner, there's 77 goals that will need to be recovered from the forwards. Bertuzzi is going to help somewhat there, but I don't know if Schneider in limited minutes is the best way to spend money to replace them.

It's really nothing against Schneider--he's not useless. But he will either be playing O'Donnell minutes or else Niedermayer/Pronger/Beauchemin will be playing less. Maybe that makes up the offense, but my instincts say probably a $5.6M forward would be a better way to make it up.

Prongs plays the whole 2 mins...and Beauchen will join him for the last minute. And don't tell me 'but we can't burn them out' guys like Prongs or Nied thrive on playing big minutes.

Translation: I can't be wrong.

No, but if I was one of the defensemen out there busting my ass everyday to be on that roster I wouldnt be too happy to see him pick and choose dates when he wants to play, no matter who he is. That isnt the sort of mentality that the captain of the team should have.
The depth defensemen are the only ones at risk of losing a spot and come on...it's Scott Niedermayer! This ain't some mediocre player this is a guy who can help this team win another cup. If he only play half the season he will be fresh for the playoffs. Who cares about 2 games in London, he's obviously still considering retirement and if he does return it won't be right after the two games in London anyways.
Let's just wait til he makes a decision, people didn't have a problem with Forsberg taking a year off and returning for the post season.

I think it's funny that some actually people think Schneider is a waste of space if Niedermayer returns. Schneider doesn't do anything besides make an already great defense even better. Not to mention that he brings points as well.

If Niedermayer stays and Selanne retires, I anticipate Bertuzzi + Schneider = points lost from Teemu.

If Niedermayer returns, Selanne retires, Hiller is sent to AHL, and Bobby Ryan plays on main club are cap hit is 47.646. for 12 forwards, 8 defenseman, and 2 goalies.

Thats pretty tight margin to deal with. If a forward goes down, we'll have no cap space for anything other than 1 or 2 minor league callups.

Trading Schneider is an easy solution, we save a ton of cap space and keep last year's defense intract (well still even better if you consider Hnidy as an upgrade to Dipenta).

There are other solutions, but they require a lot of work. (Trading Marchant & replacing him w/ a cheaper alternative, same w/ Bryz). It will probably take 3 deals to get us in a good position for in case of injuries.

It will probably take 3 deals to get us in a good position for in case of injuries.

Yeah, injuries is a good point too. Let's not forget that last year, of our top nine forwards (Selanne, Kunitz, McDonald, Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Pahlsson, Moen, Rob N.), Chris Kunitz was the only one to miss any games. Regular season AND playoffs.

We won't be that lucky this year, especially with the short offseason and the intercontinental travel.

If Niedermayer returns, Selanne retires, Hiller is sent to AHL, and Bobby Ryan plays on main club are cap hit is 47.646. for 12 forwards, 8 defenseman, and 2 goalies.

Thats pretty tight margin to deal with. If a forward goes down, we'll have no cap space for anything other than 1 or 2 minor league callups.

Trading Schneider is an easy solution, we save a ton of cap space and keep last year's defense intract (well still even better if you consider Hnidy as an upgrade to Dipenta).

There are other solutions, but they require a lot of work. (Trading Marchant & replacing him w/ a cheaper alternative, same w/ Bryz). It will probably take 3 deals to get us in a good position for in case of injuries.

You still can't trade a guy right after signing him. Has this happened in the past? Anyone remember anything?

when do you guys think we will hear the damn answer already?!

He really thinks he is hot ***** doesn't he? What kind of player chooses what games he will play in? Either he is on the team or he is not on the team. This is whole thing is getting old, Burke seems like he is being way more patient than I would be.

Who are you?

Some nobody bandwagon fan with no access to any relevant information pertaining to this situation? LOL

Of course being patient is a bad idea, right?

What, you would force Scotty to sign retirement papers? Well guess what? It's Scott's decision to retire - whenever he feels like it. Burke and idiotic fans have no say in the matter. So deal with it and quit badmouthing the player who brought the Stanley Cup to Anaheim.

There is a lot more going on behind the scenes that may or may not keep Scott and Teemu in Anaheim. I would gladly take Scott or Teemu back with some minor concessions that limit his playing time, travel or anything else that helps him stay on board.

The Ducks will be stronger if either return to the club. Burke, Scott and Teemu deserve respect and support for their ultimate decision. Try to enjoy this year's Cup, it is a rare acomplishment - the odds will always be against a repeat.

when do you guys think we will hear the damn answer already?!


Scott will meet with friends and family this week and make his decision.
He plans to make announcement shortly thereafter.

Teemu's plans will influence the decision.

Who are you?

Some nobody bandwagon fan with no access to any relevant information pertaining to this situation? LOL

Despite what you may think, blind insults don't make you seem smart or insightful

Of course being patient is a bad idea, right?
Niedermayer really hasn't given Burke any other options has he?

What, you would force Scotty to sign retirement papers? Well guess what? It's Scott's decision to retire - whenever he feels like it. Burke and idiotic fans have no say in the matter. So deal with it and quit badmouthing the player who brought the Stanley Cup to Anaheim.

Now you're just making up things to argue about, where did I say that I would force Scott Niedermayer to retire? I have stated, and I believe, that if his attitude towards picking what games he wants to play and what games he doesn't want to play is what it seems, then he should retire or at least step down from team captain because that's not the type of attitude that a professional should have regarding the game, his team, and his employers.

And yes Burke absolutely does have say in the matter, because until Scott Niedermayer retires, he is an employee and Burke is his boss. So retire, or show up for work, it's that simple.

There is a lot more going on behind the scenes that may or may not keep Scott and Teemu in Anaheim. I would gladly take Scott or Teemu back with some minor concessions that limit his playing time, travel or anything else that helps him stay on board.

If by "minor concessions" you mean miss games for health reasons, then I totally agree. But not because they don't feel like it. It's a job, they signed contracts, and for the money they receive to play a game that most of us pay to play for fun, they owe it to their team to give 100%

The Ducks will be stronger if either return to the club. Burke, Scott and Teemu deserve respect and support for their ultimate decision. Try to enjoy this year's Cup, it is a rare acomplishment - the odds will always be against a repeat.

Agreed

well said Soap. I agree, if Nieds doesn't want to put all his effort into this team, then he needs to retire. Picking which games you want to play is stupid and unfair to the rest of the team. I would bet that every single player on the Ducks roster would allow Nieds to take the games off he wants, but if Nieds did it, it would be a lack of respect IMO. Now things would be completely different if it were for health reasons, but it's not about health. If Nieds wants to pick and choose which games he wants to play, then his heart is not in the game and he needs to retire.

Prongs plays the whole 2 mins...and Beauchen will join him for the last minute. And don't tell me 'but we can't burn them out' guys like Prongs or Nied thrive on playing big minutes.
You know what else thrives on big minutes? Stress fractures, like the kind Scotty had at the All-Star break.

There's a fine line between big minutes and too many minutes. I, for one, wouldn't mind it if we erred on the side of caution.

You know what else thrives on big minutes? Stress fractures, like the kind Scotty had at the All-Star break.

There's a fine line between big minutes and too many minutes. I, for one, wouldn't mind it if we erred on the side of caution.

That wasn't a stress fracture that came from big minutes. It was a fracture that came from a blocked shot.

Who are you?

Some nobody bandwagon fan with no access to any relevant information pertaining to this situation? LOL

Despite what you may think, blind insults don't make you seem smart or insightful

Of course being patient is a bad idea, right?
Niedermayer really hasn't given Burke any other options has he?

What, you would force Scotty to sign retirement papers? Well guess what? It's Scott's decision to retire - whenever he feels like it. Burke and idiotic fans have no say in the matter. So deal with it and quit badmouthing the player who brought the Stanley Cup to Anaheim.

Now you're just making up things to argue about, where did I say that I would force Scott Niedermayer to retire? I have stated, and I believe, that if his attitude towards picking what games he wants to play and what games he doesn't want to play is what it seems, then he should retire or at least step down from team captain because that's not the type of attitude that a professional should have regarding the game, his team, and his employers.

And yes Burke absolutely does have say in the matter, because until Scott Niedermayer retires, he is an employee and Burke is his boss. So retire, or show up for work, it's that simple.

There is a lot more going on behind the scenes that may or may not keep Scott and Teemu in Anaheim. I would gladly take Scott or Teemu back with some minor concessions that limit his playing time, travel or anything else that helps him stay on board.

If by "minor concessions" you mean miss games for health reasons, then I totally agree. But not because they don't feel like it. It's a job, they signed contracts, and for the money they receive to play a game that most of us pay to play for fun, they owe it to their team to give 100%

The Ducks will be stronger if either return to the club. Burke, Scott and Teemu deserve respect and support for their ultimate decision. Try to enjoy this year's Cup, it is a rare acomplishment - the odds will always be against a repeat.

Agreed

Niedermayer has given Burke plenty of options. In fact, it was Niedermayer who said he was likely going to retire and it was Burke who suggested he take his time to make sure the decision was the right one. You can't blame Niedermayer and ignore Burke's role in this. To do so shows a tremendous amount of ignorance. Burke knew that he might be put into this situation, and he clearly felt Scott Niedermayer was worth the risk.

The idea that Burke's hands were tied in this situation is laughable. Maybe you need to pay more attention before you start spouting crap.

Despite what you may think, blind insults don't make you seem smart or insightful

And dodging the simple question makes you seem guilty of the original inference. Face it you know very little about this situation to make judgements about these people.

Niedermayer really hasn't given Burke any other options has he?
My point - so you could could solve it with less patience?

I have stated, and I believe, that if his attitude towards picking what games he wants to play and what games he doesn't want to play is what it seems, then he should retire or at least step down from team captain because that's not the type of attitude that a professional should have regarding the game, his team, and his employers.

That is your naive understanding of professional sports. Burke and the Ducks are willing to make certain concessions for extra ordinary players. This is common place in modern sports - you really think Scott has a bad attitude? Perhaps Scott plans on returning in Novemeber and can not possibly play in London. Again, you have few relevant facts.

And yes Burke absolutely does have say in the matter, because until Scott Niedermayer retires, he is an employee and Burke is his boss. So retire, or show up for work, it's that simple.

No, they have a contract that states that Scott gets paid for showing up and playing in September which allows for retirement. Burke really has no say in the matter. There is no contractual obligation to inform a team of retirement.

If by "minor concessions" you mean miss games for health reasons, then I totally agree. But not because they don't feel like it. It's a job, they signed contracts, and for the money they receive to play a game that most of us pay to play for fun, they owe it to their team to give 100%.

Again Scott and Teemu are superstars with little motivation to play for the Anaheim Ducks. They have given more than their contractual obligations in blood, sweat, teeth and tears - it is not out of the realm of common practice for a professional sports team to keep their veterans happy with percs that make an 82+ game season a bit more liveable. Keep in mind both Scott and Teemu took this gig with reasonable discounts. Please, all players are not equal, nor should they be treated the same. Especially in this situation.


Hopefully, the Ducks will have this problem soon.

Niedermayer has given Burke plenty of options. In fact, it was Niedermayer who said he was likely going to retire and it was Burke who suggested he take his time to make sure the decision was the right one.

What other good options does Burke have aside from tell Scott Niedermayer to make sure he is making the right decision?

You think about that for a while and get back to me, before you start claiming that I'm "spouting crap"

You can't blame Niedermayer and ignore Burke's role in this. To do so shows a tremendous amount of ignorance. Burke knew that he might be put into this situation, and he clearly felt Scott Niedermayer was worth the risk.

The idea that Burke's hands were tied in this situation is laughable. Maybe you need to pay more attention before you start spouting crap.

Again, tell me of the plenty of other good options Burke had in this situation, because as it stands this is the only logical option Burke had when his team captain said he was "thinking" about retiring early

Scott will meet with friends and family this week and make his decision.
He plans to make announcement shortly thereafter.

Teemu's plans will influence the decision.

More information found: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=217154&hubname= :)

That wasn't a stress fracture that came from big minutes. It was a fracture that came from a blocked shot.
From what I remember, he hurt his foot blocking a shot but played with it for awhile until the playing made it worse. They didn't even realize it was broken until a couple weeks later. To me that sounds like the shot weakened it, and overplaying broke it. Maybe I'm just not remembering right.

That is your naive understanding of professional sports.
Oh, great and wise leader, let us bathe in your glory and wisdom

No, they have a contract that states that Scott gets paid for showing up and playing in September which allows for retirement. Burke really has no say in the matter. There is no contractual obligation to inform a team of retirement.
But there is a contractual obligation to play every game you can. Burke is the only one who has a say in whether Nieds can skip games or not.

Again Scott and Teemu are superstars with little motivation to play for the Anaheim Ducks.
The Ducks don't need guys with little motivation to play for the Anaheim Ducks. That's what soap has been saying all along, but i'm guessing you aren't gonna let that bother you with these insights


Who are you?

Some nobody bandwagon fan with no access to any relevant information pertaining to this situation? LOL

Who are you?

Some nobody bandwagon fan with no access to any relevant information pertaining to this situation? LOL

Thanks for the insight.
At least, I passed along the decision will be made around Friday.

Too bad so many people are willing to throw Scott and Teemu under the bus with few facts. Sounds like the Kings trolls are back on our threads.

More information found: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=217154&hubname= :)

Wow, kinda sounds like we're either going to get both or neither.

Wow, kinda sounds like we're either going to get both or neither.

There seems to be similar concerns for both players.
Since Burke says he is willing to do anything to make it work, perhaps we will hear good news soon.

Thanks for the insight.
At least, I passed along the decision will be made around Friday.
You have access to tsn.ca? I'm impressed with your connections.

You have access to tsn.ca? I'm impressed with your connections.

Yes Bonkers, no doubt I will keep you in the loop when time permits.
Maybe you can help us with the Ecklund stuff. :)

That wasn't a stress fracture that came from big minutes. It was a fracture that came from a blocked shot.

Not trying to argue that, but technically increased time increases the probability of blocking a shot like that which causes an injury just by virtue of being on the ice for more shots :teach: . That aside, having a guy like Schneider last season would have allowed Scotty to take time off instead of playing through the pain (weren't Pronger and Beauch out at the time?).

I'd love for both of them to be back obviously, but if they do both come back, then Burkey is going to have to trim the cap number. Easier said than done.

I'd love for both of them to be back obviously, but if they do both come back, then Burkey is going to have to trim the cap number. Easier said than done.

True. There won't be a lot of value coming back to the Ducks but I understand Burke has a plan should both players agree to return. Of course, not everyone will be happy.

What else is new?

True. There won't be a lot of value coming back to the Ducks but I understand Burke has a plan should both players agree to return. Of course, not everyone will be happy.

What else is new?

Lol, tis true. :)

How cool would it be to have them back?! :) :yo:

I would expect a Feds like salary dump trade, except with less coming back. (Obviously before we knew that Beauchemin was the real deal).

Not trying to argue that, but technically increased time increases the probability of blocking a shot like that which causes an injury just by virtue of being on the ice for more shots :teach: . That aside, having a guy like Schneider last season would have allowed Scotty to take time off instead of playing through the pain (weren't Pronger and Beauch out at the time?).

I don't deny that increased ice time does increase the probability, but I consider it a minor issue because Scott isn't much of a shot blocker. It's just not his game. In regards to Schneider taking some of the burden off, when Scott was injured, I agree completely. I won't deny that for a second, and as you pointed out Franky and Prongs were out at the time. Schneider could have been very helpful during that period of time where we lost Bryz, Jiggy, Prongs, Marchant, Franky, and Prongs.

Niedermayer has given Burke plenty of options. In fact, it was Niedermayer who said he was likely going to retire and it was Burke who suggested he take his time to make sure the decision was the right one.

What other good options does Burke have aside from tell Scott Niedermayer to make sure he is making the right decision?

You think about that for a while and get back to me, before you start claiming that I'm "spouting crap"

You can't blame Niedermayer and ignore Burke's role in this. To do so shows a tremendous amount of ignorance. Burke knew that he might be put into this situation, and he clearly felt Scott Niedermayer was worth the risk.

The idea that Burke's hands were tied in this situation is laughable. Maybe you need to pay more attention before you start spouting crap.

Again, tell me of the plenty of other good options Burke had in this situation, because as it stands this is the only logical option Burke had when his team captain said he was "thinking" about retiring early

So what you're saying is that Burke went with the logical decision, in giving his Captain time. Tell me, what else could Niedermayer have done to give Burke more options? He can either retire, stick around, or he can be uncertain about his decision. None of these increase Burke's options. If he retires, that frees up cap space, but Burke already brought in Schneider as a possible replacement. If he sticks around, Burke might need to move someone but he gets Scott. If he's uncertain, we get the situation we're in now. What other options are there? If you think Scott retiring suddenly takes a burden off Burke, you're absolutely kidding yourself. Burke is on a budget, and if Scott retires, he's sticking to that budget. If Scott doesn't retire it's possible that the Ducks spend more than they originally planned.

So what is there left for Burke? The crap you spouted had to do with options, and there really isn't much Scott could do to increase Burke's options, despite your claims to the contrary.

From what I remember, he hurt his foot blocking a shot but played with it for awhile until the playing made it worse. They didn't even realize it was broken until a couple weeks later. To me that sounds like the shot weakened it, and overplaying broke it. Maybe I'm just not remembering right.

A fractured foot is going to suffer from play, regardless of the minutes. In fact, we're probably lucky in that sense. What happens if they don't recognize the fracture until later in the season? Or worse, in the playoffs?

The way I look at it, Burke can't afford both of them back. In addition, both are probably good for just one more year if they do come back.

So, if you had to choose one or the other, I'd prefer Teemu over Neids. Both are great players, but you have to ask yourself what has been harmed the most so far, defense or offense?

With the defensmen we have now, it is still a premier defense and likely in the top 4 or 5 in the league, if not #1. As to offense, I see us currently in the middle of the pack. Bertuzzi has potential to repeat Teemu's numbers, but he's far more riskier than Teemu and his line. With Teemu back, I think we will have a well balanced team were both offense and defense share the top spots.

Any thoughts?

Timonen spoke to Teemu Selanne recently, but said the Anaheim winger remained undecided whether to retire, re-sign with the Ducks, or play somewhere else. "I think he will play, but where I don't know," Timonen said. . . . Holmgren reiterated that the Flyers don't have Selanne on their radar

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20070830_Timonen_got_right_answers_from_the_Flyers .html

Not sure really if one should read too much into this, but if this (especially the alleged quote) is taken at face value then it looks like Teemu's trials and tribulations over the Big Decision are still not over. What's more, this could suggest that BB is finally running out of time, patience or options, in whatever order, and has started to give out signals that Ducks may not be able to bring Teemu into fold after all, most likely due to budget constraints. Can't see of any other reason really why he would even consider other locations.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20070830_Timonen_got_right_answers_from_the_Flyers .html

Not sure really if one should read too much into this, but if this (especially the alleged quote) is taken at face value then it looks like Teemu's trials and tribulations over the Big Decision are still not over. What's more, this could suggest that BB is finally running out of time, patience or options, in whatever order, and has started to give out signals that Ducks may not be able to bring Teemu into fold after all, most likely due to budget constraints. Can't see of any other reason really why he would even consider other locations.

The only thing I can think of is that Selanne might not want to play with Bertuzzi.

The way I look at it, Burke can't afford both of them back. In addition, both are probably good for just one more year if they do come back.

So, if you had to choose one or the other, I'd prefer Teemu over Neids. Both are great players, but you have to ask yourself what has been harmed the most so far, defense or offense?

With the defensmen we have now, it is still a premier defense and likely in the top 4 or 5 in the league, if not #1. As to offense, I see us currently in the middle of the pack. Bertuzzi has potential to repeat Teemu's numbers, but he's far more riskier than Teemu and his line. With Teemu back, I think we will have a well balanced team were both offense and defense share the top spots.

Any thoughts?

I love Teemu, but I disagree to be honest. IMO, if you had the option you take the better player, especially when the player is Scott Niedermayer. You're right the offense is definitely weaker then our defense, and Teemu might get more points, but I think the team would be a better one with Niedermayer. Hopefully we can get both though. :)

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20070830_Timonen_got_right_answers_from_the_Flyers .html

Not sure really if one should read too much into this, but if this (especially the alleged quote) is taken at face value then it looks like Teemu's trials and tribulations over the Big Decision are still not over. What's more, this could suggest that BB is finally running out of time, patience or options, in whatever order, and has started to give out signals that Ducks may not be able to bring Teemu into fold after all, most likely due to budget constraints. Can't see of any other reason really why he would even consider other locations.

I wonder if other location could even mean outside the NHL? If he returns to the NHL, I really hope it is with Anaheim, I don't want to root against him at any point.

I really wouldn't read much, if anything, into Timonen's comments.

I wonder if other location could even mean outside the NHL? If he returns to the NHL, I really hope it is with Anaheim, I don't want to root against him at any point.

If Selanne plays in the NHL, there's only one team for him.

Selanne won't play anywhere else in the NHL.

If Selanne plays in the NHL, there's only one team for him.

Selanne won't play anywhere else in the NHL.

What makes you think any of this? Because he said it?

Well, Hasek said that he would only play for Ottawa or would retire, and then he turned around and signed with Detroit once it became clear that Ottawa lacked the desire to sign him. What if Anaheim showed a similar lack of desire, due to salary cap constraints? Would Selanne then not start looking elsewhere?

And you can say, "well Selanne could always play for cheap". But what if he doesn't want to do that? Money is what NHL players are out for 98% of the time. Remember, Joe Sakic even once signed an offer-sheet to play for the Rangers, despite being their captain on a Stanley Cup winner and despite having played his entire career with that franchise. I think Sakic was much more strongly attached to the Avalanche franchise at that point in time than Selanne is to the Ducks franchise right now. But with Sakic, the money started talking. If The Ducks are only going to offer $1.0-$1.5 million, but another team will offer $3.5-$5.0 million, don't you think Selanne would strongly consider playing elsewhere?

What makes you think any of this? Because he said it?

Well, Hasek said that he would only play for Ottawa or would retire, and then he turned around and signed with Detroit once it became clear that Ottawa lacked the desire to sign him. What if Anaheim showed a similar lack of desire, due to salary cap constraints? Would Selanne then not start looking elsewhere?

And you can say, "well Selanne could always play for cheap". But what if he doesn't want to do that? Money is what NHL players are out for 98% of the time. Remember, Joe Sakic even once signed an offer-sheet to play for the Rangers, despite being their captain on a Stanley Cup winner and despite having played his entire career with that franchise. I think Sakic was much more strongly attached to the Avalanche franchise at that point in time than Selanne is to the Ducks franchise right now. But with Sakic, the money started talking. If The Ducks are only going to offer $1.0-$1.5 million, but another team will offer $3.5-$5.0 million, don't you think Selanne would strongly consider playing elsewhere?
What incentive does he have to play elsewhere?

What makes you think any of this? Because he said it?

Well, Hasek said that he would only play for Ottawa or would retire, and then he turned around and signed with Detroit once it became clear that Ottawa lacked the desire to sign him. What if Anaheim showed a similar lack of desire, due to salary cap constraints? Would Selanne then not start looking elsewhere?

And you can say, "well Selanne could always play for cheap". But what if he doesn't want to do that? Money is what NHL players are out for 98% of the time. Remember, Joe Sakic even once signed an offer-sheet to play for the Rangers, despite being their captain on a Stanley Cup winner and despite having played his entire career with that franchise. I think Sakic was much more strongly attached to the Avalanche franchise at that point in time than Selanne is to the Ducks franchise right now. But with Sakic, the money started talking. If The Ducks are only going to offer $1.0-$1.5 million, but another team will offer $3.5-$5.0 million, don't you think Selanne would strongly consider playing elsewhere?

Selänne is not Sakic or Hasek. He's a team player, always has been. If he plays, money isn't a factor, it's only for the love of the game. If Nieds continues with the ducks, look for Selänne to take a paycut and re-sign in the 450k-1m range. The Stanley Cup is worth more than money to some players.

Dont be naive...money is a big deal.

What makes you think any of this? Because he said it?


Well, mainly because he has said that repeatedly and Teemu's family loves it in Anaheim, his wife is pregnant, the kids are starting school etc.

Remember when Selanne was traded to Anaheim? He was so pissed off because his wife was pregnant back then, Teemu said he didn't want to cause any extra stress to his family.

Selanne has earned what $50M during his career, he doesn't have to play for money.

I'm 100% certain Teemu won't play anywhere else than Anaheim if he plays at all next season (in NHL that is).

Today is the day we should hear if Scotty is coming back or not right?

Today is the day we should hear if Scotty is coming back or not right?

What makes you think today is the day?

The way I look at it, Burke can't afford both of them back.
He can afford it if he moves some things around. Remember he can exceed the cap by 7.5% for bonuses as long as they are back below the cap by end of the season. So it would be easy to sign Selanne to $2M/yr + big bonuses provided that somewhere in the season Burke moves some players to keep us below the cap by the end of the season.

If S.Nieds does come back but does not go to London, the team could suspend him for that and his salary for those games would not count against the cap by the end of the season.

Today is the day we should hear if Scotty is coming back or not right?

I doubt it. He's been taken hostage...oh wait....:sarcasm:

He can afford it if he moves some things around. Remember he can exceed the cap by 7.5% for bonuses as long as they are back below the cap by end of the season. So it would be easy to sign Selanne to $2M/yr + big bonuses provided that somewhere in the season Burke moves some players to keep us below the cap by the end of the season.

If S.Nieds does come back but does not go to London, the team could suspend him for that and his salary for those games would not count against the cap by the end of the season.

Bonuses can be applied to next seasons cap if a team can't fit the entire bonus under this years cap. The 7.5% cap overage rule applies to matching offer sheets on a teams own RFA's only, and that team must get back below the salary cap before the start of the NHL season.

What incentive does he have to play elsewhere?

Other teams are also very legit contenders AND have the cap room to sign him. For example, Detroit's 5 million below the cap, in the market for a top 6 winger, has a player who works close with Selanne in the offseason (Filppula), and has a couple great centers in Datsyuk and Zetterberg he could play with. Not saying he's going to Detroit or any other team, but there are certainly incentives to play elsewhere for him.

If S.Nieds does come back but does not go to London, the team could suspend him for that and his salary for those games would not count against the cap by the end of the season.

He also wouldn't get paid the portion of his salary while he's suspended. Suspended players don't get paid while suspended, so he might not be too thrilled at coming back, going through camp, then not getting paid for the first week. Why open that can of worms to save a couple hundred thousand on the cap?

If I had to choose between the two I would have to take Scott. Defense wins games, thats proven. Pluse having Scott out there makes Rob play better. Rob is about worthless without his brother.

next week yet?

:)

Bonuses can be applied to next seasons cap if a team can't fit the entire bonus under this years cap.
I left that bit out because I was too lazy to explain it.

But with the necessity of signing Perry and Getz next season there is no way the Ducks can really afford a Salary Cap penalty next season.

The 7.5% cap overage rule applies to matching offer sheets on a teams own RFA's only, and that team must get back below the salary cap before the start of the NHL season.
I think you are confusing the allowable cap overage over the summer with the overage rule for Bonuses. In the summer rule, they are allowed to exceed the cap with salaries + max possible bonuses but need to back under by the begining of the season. In this case they have to be under the cap by the beginning of the season, there is no penalty the following year if they exceed because they are not allowed to exceed it.

The bonus cap overage exception allows them to exceed the cap at any time before or during the season provided that: 1) the sum of all base contracts is less then the cap and 2) the base + max possible bonus salaries do not exceed cap + 7.5%. But they need to be back under the cap by the end of the season or be penalized the following season by the amount they exceeded the cap.

If I had to choose between the two I would have to take Scott. Defense wins games, thats proven. Pluse having Scott out there makes Rob play better. Rob is about worthless without his brother.

you're right, I totally forgot how worthless the checking line was this past year whenever Scott Niedermayer wasn't on the ice with them.:sarcasm:

Rob wears an "A" for a reason, and that reason isn't because his brother wears the "C"

I took a risk and picked up Selanne from the free agency listing in my Fantasy League. I sure hope he comes back in the League even if it's for another team.

Although the chances are slim, It will be great for my fantasy team if he doesn't retire. :)

If I had to choose between the two I would have to take Scott.

Maybe I'm mean, but I'd take them both and trade Schneider.

Maybe I'm mean, but I'd take them both and trade Schneider.

Or take them both, and keep Schneider as well, dumping Marchant in the process.

schnieder stays so scotty can play reduced minutes

you're right, I totally forgot how worthless the checking line was this past year whenever Scott Niedermayer wasn't on the ice with them.:sarcasm:

Rob wears an "A" for a reason, and that reason isn't because his brother wears the "C"

Rob played better hockey when his brother was on his team. Not necessarily on the ice with him.

If it werent for Scott. Rob probably would have been traded away a while ago.

Rob played better hockey when his brother was on his team. Not necessarily on the ice with him.

If it werent for Scott. Rob probably would have been traded away a while ago.

Doubtful.

Maybe I'm mean, but I'd take them both and trade Schneider.

I'd rather have Selanne and Scotty, too, but isn't clear that, at most, you'll get one more year out of each of them? Schneider's older, but, barring injury, he'll be around for a few years.

As for the for the poster who posted right after you, I'll never understand why so many of you are always ready to part with Todd Marchant: he's a great skater, our best short-handed scorer, solid defensively and a good faceoff man. If his "hands" were a little better, he would been an All-Star.

I know it has become a cliche to talk about how he is overpaid; I'm just not sure it's true anymore.

I'd rather have Selanne and Scotty, too, but isn't clear that, at most, you'll get one more year out of each of them? Schneider's older, but, barring injury, he'll be around for a few years.

As for the for the poster who posted right after you, I'll never understand why so many of you are always ready to part with Todd Marchant: he's a great skater, our best short-handed scorer, solid defensively and a good faceoff man. If his "hands" were a little better, he would been an All-Star.

I know it has become a cliche to talk about how he is overpaid; I'm just not sure it's true anymore.

I think most ducks fans agree Marchant is a great contibutor on our team. He does many things as u mentioned in your post. All are pretty much spot on. I think the main reason people would like to entertain the thought of trading him is because he getting paid pretty high for a line 4 player. If the Ducks need to shed some salary due to the possible additions to Scotty or Teemu, i think Marchant (or Bryz) is the most logical choice without breaking up the teams core. I mean if u think of it, who would you rather trade away, barring our off-season acquistions?

schnieder stays so scotty can play reduced minutes

:handclap:

What makes you think today is the day?

I thought I head that we'd hear by Friday? Guess not.:shakehead

Happy Birthday Scotty! :)

Thanks for the Stanley Cup !!! :D

I'd rather have Selanne and Scotty, too, but isn't clear that, at most, you'll get one more year out of each of them? Schneider's older, but, barring injury, he'll be around for a few years.

As for the for the poster who posted right after you, I'll never understand why so many of you are always ready to part with Todd Marchant: he's a great skater, our best short-handed scorer, solid defensively and a good faceoff man. If his "hands" were a little better, he would been an All-Star.

I know it has become a cliche to talk about how he is overpaid; I'm just not sure it's true anymore.
And what's wrong with getting another year out of each and having a shot at winning another cup?

And what's wrong with getting another year out of each and having a shot at winning another cup?

I think he's worried about the year after having a shot at winning the Cup. If you assume Selanne and Niedermayer would be gone after that one more year, and you ditch Schneider... well, the team would be hurting a bit. On top of that, you might hurt future chances of getting a good UFA if you deal Schneider immediately after signing him. It's not considered good practice, business or not.

If I had to choose between the two I would have to take Scott. Defense wins games, thats proven. Pluse having Scott out there makes Rob play better. Rob is about worthless without his brother.

Yeah but if Scott retired....we'd be able to trade his overpaid ass(Rob).:D

Yeah but if Scott retired....we'd be able to trade his overpaid ass(Rob).:D

You want to trade a third of the best checking line in the league? He doesn't put up points, but Rob Nieds is an extremely effective checker and defensive player.

Rob has earned his money in the playoffs going back to 2003. He's nothing but clutch for us. I'd certainly pick him over Marchant.

The Ducks are a way better team with him, the NHL is for North America, I would not want to go to London either too play two games.


what about the FANS? who payed lot of money to see NHL on their own eyes?
to see NHL team and not AHL team?

nothing?****** on them or what?

if you would be in the charge of NHL you would even prohibit NHL broadcast to world coz it is just for NA

:shakehead


I certainly not payed some 800$ + some $ for spending in London to see just 1 or 2 guys from ducks

It's the end of the week already. Will this be closed now? :sarcasm::handclap:

what about the FANS? who payed lot of money to see NHL on their own eyes?
to see NHL team and not AHL team?

nothing?****** on them or what?

if you would be in the charge of NHL you would even prohibit NHL broadcast to world coz it is just for NA

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I certainly not payed some 800$ + some $ for spending in London to see just 1 or 2 guys from ducks

Exactly my point :handclap:

what about the FANS? who payed lot of money to see NHL on their own eyes?
to see NHL team and not AHL team?

nothing?****** on them or what?

if you would be in the charge of NHL you would even prohibit NHL broadcast to world coz it is just for NA

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I certainly not payed some 800$ + some $ for spending in London to see just 1 or 2 guys from ducks


Yes, because clearly without Scott Niedermayer the Ducks are an AHL team.

Yes, because clearly without Scott Niedermayer the Ducks are an AHL team.

Thats not what he meant at all.....

Yes, because clearly without Scott Niedermayer the Ducks are an AHL team.

as Scoringlegend08 sayed..

than everyone can do as scotty - JS,bryz,bertuzzi,pronger,schneider,mcdonald,teemu. .and we will see half of the team from AHL ect..

tou know what I meant?we want see NHL stars

so....you rather see Scotty retire and see all the Ducks in London than having the team without Scott for 2 games, and then with him? I'm sorry, but that sounds stupid to me...

Go Ducks Go>>we Will Have One Back!! I Promise Youuu

as Scoringlegend08 sayed..

than everyone can do as scotty - JS,bryz,bertuzzi,pronger,schneider,mcdonald,teemu. .and we will see half of the team from AHL ect..

tou know what I meant?we want see NHL stars

Yes, but Scotty hasn't been saying "I'm not going to London because it's a long trip, and I really don't want to go." has he? It looks to me like he's saying "I don't think I'll be ready by then, and that time could be better spent getting ready for the other 80 games."

Professionals do not pick and choose when they want to play/work, this whole situation is a distraction and potential locker room cancer. I want Scott to come back no matter what the circumstances, however, I wish he was a little more professional about the it. Selanne seemed almost certain about retirement as well, was he training just incase? He sure was.

Professionals do not pick and choose when they want to play/work, this whole situation is a distraction and potential locker room cancer. I want Scott to come back no matter what the circumstances, however, I wish he was a little more professional about the it. Selanne seemed almost certain about retirement as well, was he training just incase? He sure was.

I don't recall Selanne ever saying that he was almost certainly retiring. Niedermayer, on the other hand, did.

You can't honestly be suggesting that Scotty, trying to make sure he's in game shape, could be a cancer in the locker room. That's ridiculous. The team loves him, and the players have nothing but respect for him. You want proof of that? Listen to their interviews. The players will see this decision for what it is... a player who wants to make sure he's ready for the season.

I don't recall Selanne ever saying that he was almost certainly retiring.

Wasn't there a Finnish article not too long ago saying he just hasn't found the desire to go back onto the ice?

Professionals do not pick and choose when they want to play/work, this whole situation is a distraction and potential locker room cancer. I want Scott to come back no matter what the circumstances, however, I wish he was a little more professional about the it. Selanne seemed almost certain about retirement as well, was he training just incase? He sure was.

Teemu stated that he had no motivation to train and his workouts were below average efforts. He hasn't been on the ice during the summer. Golf in Finland doesn't count. If he wanted to return, he should have notified Burke earlier in the season since he doesn't have a contract with the Ducks!

Scott has a contract with the Ducks and let Burke know days after winning the Cup and Conn Smythe during an exit interview. Burke told him to take as much time as needed and Burke is willing to make things work out. Why should have Scott trained this summer? He said he was leaning to retirement - besides he did train and did take the ice - so there.

I hope Teemu lands a nice job somewhere so we can present his ring to him on some Wednesday night. Otherwise, thanks for the memories, I doubt the jersey gets retired without the Anaheim scoring records.

I am pleased with Bert and Snied so far, they are looking strong thus far.

BTW, locker room cancer? LOL - All the Ducks want Scott back - all of them!!!

Wasn't there a Finnish article not too long ago saying he just hasn't found the desire to go back onto the ice?

Selanne came out and said that he made no such comments.

so....you rather see Scotty retire and see all the Ducks in London than having the team without Scott for 2 games, and then with him? I'm sorry, but that sounds stupid to me...

well you still don't know what I mean..

nevermind, some guys here knew what I meant

well you still don't know what I mean..

nevermind, some guys here knew what I meant

I see what you mean...but honestly...just be happy that you can see the Ducks! For me, the fact that the best defensemen in the league may decide to skip 2 games <<<<<<<<<<< see the Ducks with improved chances for another cup!

Teemu stated that he had no motivation to train and his workouts were below average efforts. He hasn't been on the ice during the summer. Golf in Finland doesn't count. If he wanted to return, he should have notified Burke earlier in the season since he doesn't have a contract with the Ducks!

Scott has a contract with the Ducks and let Burke know days after winning the Cup and Conn Smythe during an exit interview. Burke told him to take as much time as needed and Burke is willing to make things work out. Why should have Scott trained this summer? He said he was leaning to retirement - besides he did train and did take the ice - so there.

I hope Teemu lands a nice job somewhere so we can present his ring to him on some Wednesday night. Otherwise, thanks for the memories, I doubt the jersey gets retired without the Anaheim scoring records.

I am pleased with Bert and Snied so far, they are looking strong thus far.

BTW, locker room cancer? LOL - All the Ducks want Scott back - all of them!!!


It was stated that Selanne was working out just incase he decided to come back, I know he wasn't on the rink but atleast he was keeping himself in shape.

Selanne's jersey will be retired in Anaheim no matter what the outcome of this offseason.

so when are we gonna hear the news

I see what you mean...but honestly...just be happy that you can see the Ducks! For me, the fact that the best defensemen in the league may decide to skip 2 games <<<<<<<<<<< see the Ducks with improved chances for another cup!

damn Im not talking about not seeing scotty

I was replying on and his logic about players going to EU/not going to EU

Originally Posted by Fuhr86
The Ducks are a way better team with him, the NHL is for North America, I would not want to go to London either too play two games.

damn Im not talking about not seeing scotty

I was replying on and his logic about players going to EU/not going to EU

Originally Posted by Fuhr86
The Ducks are a way better team with him, the NHL is for North America, I would not want to go to London either too play two games.

True... I really dont see why they are even going to London in the first place. Its not the WORLD hockey league.

True... I really dont see why they are even going to London in the first place. Its not the WORLD hockey league.

Funny, but it's not the NORTH AMERICAN hockey league either. Last I checked it's the NATIONAL hockey league, which makes no sense at all when you are talking about it spanning two countries. Which nation is it "national" for? If it's not a world hockey league, why are players being scouted, drafted, and signed from places like Sweden, Finland, Russia, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, and Poland? Don Cherry wants to know these things!

Teemu stated that he had no motivation to train and his workouts were below average efforts. He hasn't been on the ice during the summer. Golf in Finland doesn't count. If he wanted to return, he should have notified Burke earlier in the season since he doesn't have a contract with the Ducks!

Scott has a contract with the Ducks and let Burke know days after winning the Cup and Conn Smythe during an exit interview. Burke told him to take as much time as needed and Burke is willing to make things work out. Why should have Scott trained this summer? He said he was leaning to retirement - besides he did train and did take the ice - so there.

I hope Teemu lands a nice job somewhere so we can present his ring to him on some Wednesday night. Otherwise, thanks for the memories, I doubt the jersey gets retired without the Anaheim scoring records.

I am pleased with Bert and Snied so far, they are looking strong thus far.

BTW, locker room cancer? LOL - All the Ducks want Scott back - all of them!!!
This post is ridiculous, you lose all credibility with your Selanne won't get his jersey retired without the team records remark.

True... I really dont see why they are even going to London in the first place. Its not the WORLD hockey league.

yeah we are not fans(EU,rest of the world), just people in NA are true fans right?
who cares about fans outside NA

Burke has already said that Selanne will have his jersey retired. There is no question that it will happen.

Burke has already said that Selanne will have his jersey retired. There is no question that it will happen.

Althought I agree with you 100%, I'd be careful at trusting only Burke's word on anything.

Just because Burke said, "We will not be players in the free agent market" and then days later signs schnieder and bert... doesn't mean the man ain't got credibility.

Infact, I don't mind if my GM tells me he isn't going to sign anyone, and then does. That's called good lying.

I don't think Burke has made any bad lies to the players/fans.

Otherwise, thanks for the memories, I doubt the jersey gets retired without the Anaheim scoring records.


LOL!!! The most ridiculous post I have ever seen:handclap:

Just because Burke said, "We will not be players in the free agent market" and then days later signs schnieder and bert... doesn't mean the man ain't got credibility.

Infact, I don't mind if my GM tells me he isn't going to sign anyone, and then does. That's called good lying.

I don't think Burke has made any bad lies to the players/fans.

During his stint in Anaheim he's been pretty good. Your above mentioned quote, plus his "We'll match any offer for Penner" and his "We won't trade Fedorov" are just a couple examples. His time in Vancouver however was not quite so tame. While he's an excellent GM, only a fool would take what he says as law.

yeah we are not fans(EU,rest of the world), just people in NA are true fans right?
who cares about fans outside NA

So players are forced to play anywhere the team goes. Come on now.

If I signed a contract to play for the Ducks I would expect all my home games to be in Anahiem and all my away games to be in NA.

If I had to go to Europe to play a regular season game, there is no way I would go.

The league could have asked players if they wanted to go to Europe for an exhibition game but to force a regular season game is ridiculous.

I'm in a weird spot here re: Niedermayer.

I'm a Sharks fan, so I'd rather not see him in a Ducks jersey next season. :)

But I have Nieds on my fantasy keeper league, and he's a fantastic fantasy player.

Don't tell my fellow SJ fans, but I hope he comes back. My fantasy team needs him. :naughty: