OT:Michael Vick's career likely over

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Idiot threw away a brilliant career. They should let a pack of angry, rabid pits rip his ass apart!

Idiot

Sick ******* deserves it. The judge should give him the max.

Idiot threw away a brilliant career.

Brilliant career? I don't see how you can call his career brilliant. What has he done to merit that statement? He's a beast on his feet and there may never be a QB with that kind of agility, but he is no Peyton and was never on his way to a "brilliant career".

They should let a pack of angry, rabid pits rip his ass apart!


Agreed.

I think they should sentence him to be held under water until he swallows water and electrocute him like they did to the dogs... see how much fun and 'sporting' it is.

Clinton Portis can rot along with him for his statement too. Jerk.:rant:

What an idiot...all that money/talent and he threw it all away on dogfighting...

[QUOTE=CaptMessier11;10226961]Brilliant career? I don't see how you can call his career brilliant. What has he done to merit that statement? He's a beast on his feet and there may never be a QB with that kind of agility, but he is no Peyton and was never on his way to a "brilliant career".

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He blew a potential brillant career, I think thats what the poster meant. He's still only like 26 years old just about to hit his prime. What a shame.

Devilsfanatic should be here shortly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

I still hate PETA more than Vick.

Brilliant career? I don't see how you can call his career brilliant. What has he done to merit that statement? He's a beast on his feet and there may never be a QB with that kind of agility, but he is no Peyton and was never on his way to a "brilliant career".




Agreed.





he threw away tens of millions of dollars in contracts and endorsements

He should be tortured and killed, and I'd like to do the deed myself.
**** the NFL, and all the knuckel dragging thugs who infest it.

Scum






Bag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

I still hate PETA more than Vick.

abosolutly

who cares? lets talk hockey

Brilliant career? I don't see how you can call his career brilliant. What has he done to merit that statement? He's a beast on his feet and there may never be a QB with that kind of agility, but he is no Peyton and was never on his way to a "brilliant career".


Quoted for truth. Never anything special.

who cares? lets talk hockey

Agreed.

I am no fan of pits having been attacked (my jack russell as well) this past year, but to do this to animals the guy should be put in times square in a sewer grate and everyone that passes should spit on him and his crew.

Im not bad person, and have been told do not have a mean bone in my body, but this guy is trash. Its a real wonder how some people are given these gifts of talent fame and money and just are a$$holes.....bell, jones, tibbits, simpson, danton/jefferson all make me sick to my stomach, if I were ever in their postion I would make every second of my stardom count and do things fot the community and just really appreciate life.

Makes guys like Graves(the best ambassador for fans) even tough a ranger, saints in my book. Sorry for the rant but i hope vick never makes a penny again, *******:p:

who cares? lets talk hockey

ok very true, but please nobody ever support this guy

Vick will be back.

And he was a very good quarterback, at least last season. One of the most dynamic players in the game. He had **** for wide receivers.

Michael Vick is a piece of trash that deserves everything coming his way. He's a real tough guy, electrocuting and drowning dogs that don't live up to his standards. How about the next time he throws an incomplete pass we put him in a cage with three rabid pitbulls and see how he turns out?

All the talent in the world...he's a *******.

Its a real wonder how some people are given these gifts of talent fame and money and just are a$$holes.....bell, jones, tibbits, simpson, danton/jefferson all make me sick to my stomach, if I were ever in their postion I would make every second of my stardom count and do things fot the community and just really appreciate life.

I don't think I'd throw Danterson in with those guys. Sure he was crazy, but Frost is what made him that way. To be honest, I actually feel that Danton was the victim and he was reminded of that every day by having Frost around.

I don't think I'd throw Danterson in with those guys. Sure he was crazy, but Frost is what made him that way. To be honest, I actually feel that Danton was the victim and he was reminded of that every day by having Frost around.

yes that is true, but the thing that always got me was for sucha tough guy, he really showed no spine as for standing up to him....but I do back down on that one he must have been brainwashed something fierce....sad sad story

Michael Vick is a piece of trash that deserves everything coming his way. He's a real tough guy, electrocuting and drowning dogs that don't live up to his standards. How about the next time he throws an incomplete pass we put him in a cage with three rabid pitbulls and see how he turns out?

All the talent in the world...he's a *******.

i agree...i still stand behing my sewr grate in the cuty idea, and after all the spiting/pissing we can throw a couple of pits down there as well.

The REALLY sad thing is im sure in jail this guy will have a new crew and really be treated ok, which is th e last thing he deserves

saying hes a good quarterback is not true

hes a great athelete..and was a good player. but he was NOT a good qb

He's a real tough guy, electrocuting and drowning dogs that don't live up to his standards.

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment...

Do you believe it's ok to kill a cow so you can use it for food, clothing, upholstery in your car, etc?

If so, why are you so outraged that Vick killed a dog. Do dogs have more rights than other animals? Should killing a dog be a punishable offense, while slaughtering cows, pigs, and chickens isn't?

Personally, I don't care what Vick did with his dogs...I'm just not an animal person...I love to eat animals but that's about it. But from what I have seen, a lot of dog owners are getting especially pissed about this and I think they're hypocrites. As a person who's on the outside looking in, and doesn't really favor either side, I believe you have to be pro or against killing animals. You can't just choose to join the cause when your favorite animal is involved.

saying hes a good quarterback is not true

hes a great athelete..and was a good player. but he was NOT a good qb

How was he not a good QB? The guy was the hardest player in the league to gameplan against. He didn't have the greatest accuracy but the dudes ability to run was generational for his position. He had a great arm. If he didn't have garbage for wide receivers (Atlanta continually drafted bust WRs like Michael Jenkins and Roddy White) his passing numbers would have been a bit better.

And before you say it, ability to scramble should not be discounted in the QB argument. I know you'll say something to the effect of, o, well he's a running back playing Quarterback. Not at all true. Each position has different dimensions - you don't see people saying Steve Jackson isn't as good a RB as advertised because he catches passes, a wide receivers job. It's all part of the overall package.

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment...

Do you believe it's ok to kill a cow so you can use it for food, clothing, upholstery in your car, etc?

If so, why are you so outraged that Vick killed a dog. Do dogs have more rights than other animals? Should killing a dog be a punishable offense, while slaughtering cows, pigs, and chickens isn't?

Personally, I don't care what Vick did with his dogs...I'm just not an animal person...I love to eat animals but that's about it. But from what I have seen, a lot of dog owners are getting especially pissed about this and I think they're hypocrites. As a person who's on the outside looking in, and doesn't really favor either side, I believe you have to be pro or against killing animals. You can't just choose to join the cause when your favorite animal is involved.
Is this a joke post?

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment...

Do you believe it's ok to kill a cow so you can use it for food, clothing, upholstery in your car, etc?

If so, why are you so outraged that Vick killed a dog. Do dogs have more rights than other animals? Should killing a dog be a punishable offense, while slaughtering cows, pigs, and chickens isn't?

Personally, I don't care what Vick did with his dogs...I'm just not an animal person...I love to eat animals but that's about it. But from what I have seen, a lot of dog owners are getting especially pissed about this and I think they're hypocrites. As a person who's on the outside looking in, and doesn't really favor either side, I believe you have to be pro or against killing animals. You can't just choose to join the cause when your favorite animal is involved.

Yes, killing domesticated dogs (in reprehensible ways) for no good reason differs from killing cattle for sustenance.

Vick will be back..
Sad but true...


the NFL is littered with quite a few colorful felons.

http://www.thephatphree.com/features.asp?StoryID=850&SectionID=2&LayoutT


Vick will get picked up by someone...when he gets out.

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment...

Do you believe it's ok to kill a cow so you can use it for food, clothing, upholstery in your car, etc?

If so, why are you so outraged that Vick killed a dog. Do dogs have more rights than other animals? Should killing a dog be a punishable offense, while slaughtering cows, pigs, and chickens isn't?

Personally, I don't care what Vick did with his dogs...I'm just not an animal person...I love to eat animals but that's about it. But from what I have seen, a lot of dog owners are getting especially pissed about this and I think they're hypocrites. As a person who's on the outside looking in, and doesn't really favor either side, I believe you have to be pro or against killing animals. You can't just choose to join the cause when your favorite animal is involved.

????

i hope you are no older than 12, yoour comparison lacks almost the same amount of judgement as the act itself:shakehead

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment...

Do you believe it's ok to kill a cow so you can use it for food, clothing, upholstery in your car, etc?

If so, why are you so outraged that Vick killed a dog. Do dogs have more rights than other animals? Should killing a dog be a punishable offense, while slaughtering cows, pigs, and chickens isn't?

Personally, I don't care what Vick did with his dogs...I'm just not an animal person...I love to eat animals but that's about it. But from what I have seen, a lot of dog owners are getting especially pissed about this and I think they're hypocrites. As a person who's on the outside looking in, and doesn't really favor either side, I believe you have to be pro or against killing animals. You can't just choose to join the cause when your favorite animal is involved.

1) We don't eat dogs in this country, but we do eat all the rest, DUMB reply

2) Dogs befriend humans and ask for nothing in return, the rest of those animals you named are can't even be kept as pets

OT:Michael Vick's career likely over

Good.


I hope the judge imposes a punishment where Vick is tied down in a cage and every dog in America can **** in his mouth until his death.

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment...

Do you believe it's ok to kill a cow so you can use it for food, clothing, upholstery in your car, etc?

If so, why are you so outraged that Vick killed a dog. Do dogs have more rights than other animals? Should killing a dog be a punishable offense, while slaughtering cows, pigs, and chickens isn't?

Personally, I don't care what Vick did with his dogs...I'm just not an animal person...I love to eat animals but that's about it. But from what I have seen, a lot of dog owners are getting especially pissed about this and I think they're hypocrites. As a person who's on the outside looking in, and doesn't really favor either side, I believe you have to be pro or against killing animals. You can't just choose to join the cause when your favorite animal is involved.

Yes, prior to eating our hamburgers and steaks, we often feed the cattle and let them into our homes, sit with us and interact with them - leaving them to depend on us and want to perform for us. Then, only after the cow has lost us money, we take it out back and hook the car battery to it and shock it for hours to torture it, and make it meaner. Then we dunk it under water for minutes to put it in a state of shock and fear. Then we slowly carve it up while it's still alive and begin to make yummy burgers out of it. Yeah that's how it all works.

You're right - we're all Vicks. Go join PETA - you're exactly what they're looking for.

**** him and his career. next step should be drowing his sorry ass, just like he did to those dogs. Burn in hell mother****er!

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment...

Do you believe it's ok to kill a cow so you can use it for food, clothing, upholstery in your car, etc?

If so, why are you so outraged that Vick killed a dog. Do dogs have more rights than other animals? Should killing a dog be a punishable offense, while slaughtering cows, pigs, and chickens isn't?

Personally, I don't care what Vick did with his dogs...I'm just not an animal person...I love to eat animals but that's about it. But from what I have seen, a lot of dog owners are getting especially pissed about this and I think they're hypocrites. As a person who's on the outside looking in, and doesn't really favor either side, I believe you have to be pro or against killing animals. You can't just choose to join the cause when your favorite animal is involved.


No offense, but animals are made to be eaten, not put in a ring to fight each other. They serve their purpose on the food chain. To say people who own animals and also eat them is hypocritical is totally wrong. They are two different things. Dogs are not made to fight one another and then be destroyed if they don't perform. Cows are mad in part to help us survive. Apples and oranges my friend.

No offense, but animals are made to be eaten, not put in a ring to fight each other. They serve their purpose on the food chain. To say people who own animals and also eat them is hypocritical is totally wrong. They are two different things. Dogs are not made to fight one another and then be destroyed if they don't perform. Cows are mad in part to help us survive. Apples and ornages my friend.

I disagree with that. Animals aren't made to be eaten. They are eaten because we domesticate them(slavery) and use them as food. They weren't made to be anything but part of nature. They do serve their purpose on the food chain, but then again, we're on the food chain for sharks, tigers, wolves, etc and you don't see us condoning that.

The point that animal rights people have is that it is ok to eat another animal as part of survival, but it is not ok to use them as sport for no reason other than gambling and entertainment. When people hunt a deer, they shoot it as humanely as possible to spare it any pain. When cows are slaughtered, they kill it fast.

When dogs are fighting each other, they are hurting and angry and scared. Thats no way to die. Thats what people have problem with.

Cows are mad in part to help us survive. Apples and ornages my friend.

So mad-cow disease does have a purpose. I'll take the apples and ornanges, please.

I disagree with that. Animals aren't made to be eaten. They are eaten because we domesticate them(slavery) and use them as food. They weren't made to be anything but part of nature. They do serve their purpose on the food chain, but then again, we're on the food chain for sharks, tigers, wolves, etc and you don't see us condoning that.

The point that animal rights people have is that it is ok to eat another animal as part of survival, but it is not ok to use them as sport for no reason other than gambling and entertainment. When people hunt a deer, they shoot it as humanely as possible to spare it any pain. When cows are slaughtered, they kill it fast.

When dogs are fighting each other, they are hurting and angry and scared. Thats no way to die. Thats what people have problem with.

We agree then.

So mad-cow disease does have a purpose. I'll take the apples and ornanges, please.

Huh? Mad Cows disease? What does that have to do with anything. My point was that eating an animal and killing it because it didn't perform well in a dog fight are two different things. The second is inhumane.

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment...

Do you believe it's ok to kill a cow so you can use it for food, clothing, upholstery in your car, etc?

If so, why are you so outraged that Vick killed a dog. Do dogs have more rights than other animals? Should killing a dog be a punishable offense, while slaughtering cows, pigs, and chickens isn't?

Personally, I don't care what Vick did with his dogs...I'm just not an animal person...I love to eat animals but that's about it. But from what I have seen, a lot of dog owners are getting especially pissed about this and I think they're hypocrites. As a person who's on the outside looking in, and doesn't really favor either side, I believe you have to be pro or against killing animals. You can't just choose to join the cause when your favorite animal is involved.

You can't be serious.

Yes, prior to eating our hamburgers and steaks, we often feed the cattle and let them into our homes, sit with us and interact with them - leaving them to depend on us and want to perform for us. Then, only after the cow has lost us money, we take it out back and hook the car battery to it and shock it for hours to torture it, and make it meaner. Then we dunk it under water for minutes to put it in a state of shock and fear. Then we slowly carve it up while it's still alive and begin to make yummy burgers out of it. Yeah that's how it all works.

You're right - we're all Vicks. Go join PETA - you're exactly what they're looking for.

Uhhh, go join PETA? If you read any of my previous posts, you would have known that I hate PETA. Also, I specficially gave the disclaimer "allow me to play DEVILS ADVOCATE for a moment." before I made my comment.

Allow me to clarify so I you guys don't think I'm a total wackjob. I love to eat animals, but that's where the love ends. I'm not a pet person, I just don't find it appealing to let some disgusting animal hop into bed with me, walk around my house, and have to pick up its crap. That "dogs are a man's best friend" crap...I don't buy it. Domesticated or non-domesticated, I believe animals are animals. They're all equally smelly and annoying, but some of them have a plus side, and that is they're delicious. Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting Vick here. I could care less about him. Every year he's in the news for doing something stupid, and I came to the conclusion that he was a ******* long before this dog-fighting thing happened.

One of the greatest Fantasy Football Qb's ever...as far as real results were concerned...not so much.
The fact that his passing game was below average and his receivers dropped balls like it was New year's didn't really help...
However all of that is now irrelavant since he is one of the worst human beings I've ever heard of.

Huh? Mad Cows disease? What does that have to do with anything. My point was that eating an animal and killing it because it didn't perform well in a dog fight are two different things. The second is inhumane.

Sorry, should have added a :D. Just trying to lighten up a depressing subject.

I got your point and agree with you. I was just having fun with your spelling.

Some people keep pigs as domesticated pets and consider them to be more sentient and sapient than dogs. Some cultures eat monkeys, horses, cats, and dogs. How humans use animal resources deserves ethical consideration.

Torturing and killing animals for sport, money, or sadistic purposes is at a lower level on the (in)humanity continuum, than killing animals for the food industry when other non-animal protein sources are readily available. While certain portions of the human population may require animal protein based on their blood type, there are certainly more people eating meat than need to as a daily requirement.

I'm a vegetarian with cheese who wears footwear made out of dead animal skin.

Boycott foie gras! :)

I don't believe in cruelty to any animal. But, if you don't understand the importance of the domestication of the dog for human evolution, then you're lost. We've essentially evolved side by side for the last 100,000 thousand years or so. Neither would be where we are today without the other. Hunting, protection, companionship... all allow for social expansion and acceleration of human evolution.

Why couldn't it have been Eli Manning's career?

:(

Btw, I hear dogs are better protein than Beef. Used to have a dog meat shop across the street from where I lived in Taipei.

How was he not a good QB? The guy was the hardest player in the league to gameplan against. He didn't have the greatest accuracy but the dudes ability to run was generational for his position. He had a great arm. If he didn't have garbage for wide receivers (Atlanta continually drafted bust WRs like Michael Jenkins and Roddy White) his passing numbers would have been a bit better.

And before you say it, ability to scramble should not be discounted in the QB argument. I know you'll say something to the effect of, o, well he's a running back playing Quarterback. Not at all true. Each position has different dimensions - you don't see people saying Steve Jackson isn't as good a RB as advertised because he catches passes, a wide receivers job. It's all part of the overall package.





he has a career completion percentage of 54% (awful for a QB) and a career QB rating of 76 (also terrible)...tell me how he is a good QB? dont give me the "he had crap around him" garbage...Crumpler is one of the best TEs in the league and warrick dunn is one of the most underrated players in NFL history. QBs have done 10000x more with less in the past

like i said, hes a great athelete, and a good player, but a terrible QB.

he has a career completion percentage of 54% (awful for a QB) and a career QB rating of 76 (also terrible)...tell me how he is a good QB? dont give me the "he had crap around him" garbage...Crumpler is one of the best TEs in the league and warrick dunn is one of the most underrated players in NFL history. QBs have done 10000x more with less in the past

like i said, hes a great athelete, and a good player, but a terrible QB.

Absolutley correct. Too bad he threw it all away by being a ****ing punkass *****.

I wouldn't go too far on the talent portion. He could throw the ball really far and he could run. That's about it.

Sick f---. Boot him from the league forever and throw his @$$ in jail.

I specficially gave the disclaimer "allow me to play DEVILS ADVOCATE for a moment." before I made my comment.


If the devil had advocates like you, there would be no hell.

Sad but true...


the NFL is littered with quite a few colorful felons.

http://www.thephatphree.com/features.asp?StoryID=850&SectionID=2&LayoutT


Vick will get picked up by someone...when he gets out.

Well I difference with this is that this involves illegal gambling. Vick not only bet on these dogfights but he bankrolled and was at the head of an illegal gambling ring. Given the current climate of gambling in sports with the NBA ref and Tocchet the NFL has no choice but to give him a long suspension after he gets out of jail. I wouldn't be surprised if they throw him out of the league for good like the NHL will probably do with Tocchet. And all of this doesn't even take into account the barbaric nature of Vick's actions.

he has a career completion percentage of 54% (awful for a QB) and a career QB rating of 76 (also terrible)...tell me how he is a good QB? dont give me the "he had crap around him" garbage...Crumpler is one of the best TEs in the league and warrick dunn is one of the most underrated players in NFL history. QBs have done 10000x more with less in the past

like i said, hes a great athelete, and a good player, but a terrible QB.

Because the guy won games for his team. You can't judge Vick like you do with other QBs. What he did with his legs makes up for any shortcomings with accuracy or decision-making. Once again, you cannot separate his passing/running game (just as you have to consider receiving ability for a running back). He was a very good QB who was the most dynamic player in the game.

Crumpler is a top five TE, maybe. He's pretty good. Dunn is far from one of the most underrated players in NFL history - he was a good back, but didn't make the players around him monumentally better. Vick had absolute garbage for WRs. When the likes of Brian Finneran or a run down Peerless Price are you top options, your passing stats will take a hit.

And please list some of the QBs who have done more with less. He had arguably the worst receivers in the game, a top 15 running back, and a top five TE.

Warrick Dunn has rushed for close to 9500 yards in his career....good for 22nd ALL TIME.

and just because you win games doesnt mean youre a great QB. Trent Dilfer won the Super Bowl....does that mean he was a great QB?


and dont hate on Finneran...Villanova Represent!! haha

Warrick Dunn has rushed for close to 9500 yards in his career....good for 22nd ALL TIME.

and just because you win games doesnt mean youre a great QB. Trent Dilfer won the Super Bowl....does that mean he was a great QB?


and dont hate on Finneran...Villanova Represent!! haha

No but Dilfer had a great defense and a solid running attack. His supporting cast was much better than Vicks.

I'm not saying he isn't a good back. But using all-time rushing yards as a bench-mark isn't very fair, considering so many great backs call it quits earlier on in their careers. Through a quick eye ball of his career stats, it looks like he averaged 1000yrd/season and 4.2ypc. Solid but not terrific.

I don't believe in cruelty to any animal. But, if you don't understand the importance of the domestication of the dog for human evolution, then you're lost. We've essentially evolved side by side for the last 100,000 thousand years or so. Neither would be where we are today without the other. Hunting, protection, companionship... all allow for social expansion and acceleration of human evolution.

I was lucky enough to have a dog growing up.

I'm on the canine bus.:yo:

this thread is a complete mess. i feel like ive walked into walmart.

.....quietly backs away from thread

Self pwnage. Gotta love it, especially since we're not talking about an average Joe. ggnorekthx. :razz:

vick is a poor excuse for a human being... anyone that can cause that kind of harm to animals.......

rot in that cell you *******