this season's shutdown pair.......

since the defense is most likely set for this season, what do you all think the shutdown pair will be for this season??? i expect most to say white-martin, but i think it is gonna be martin-matvichuk.

I wouldn't mind something like that and Greene with White.

Martin-Matvichuk will be my pick to be out there when the game is on the line

although, Martin will most likely play with White for the most part since I cant see Matvichuk logging 22-25 minutes a night

since the defense is most likely set for this season, what do you all think the shutdown pair will be for this season??? i expect most to say white-martin, but i think it is gonna be martin-matvichuk.

They'd have to consider themselves lucky to get 50-60 games out of Matvichuk.
The minutes would kill him, and he's always one well-placed shot from being down
and out of the play.

It makes me nervous enough that he's going to have to kill penalties.

Martin and White and this really isn't a question. They were great as a shutdown pair in 05-06. As the previous poster said, Matvichuk cannot handle the rigor of top pairing minutes at this point in his career anyway.

Although I do like the possibility of a Greene - White pairing.

White-Martin is the easy choice, if only because White can handle 20+ minutes a game. At this stage of his career, I think Matvichuk is most effective if kept around 15 minutes per game.

If Andy Greene really pans out, I wouldn't be shocked to see Sutter break with Devils tradition (one stay at home paired with one puck mover) and pair Greene with Martin and White with either Matvichuk or Visnovski - one top puck moving pair and one top physical pair like Ottawa.

Martin and White and this really isn't a question. They were great as a shutdown pair in 05-06. As the previous poster said, Matvichuk cannot handle the rigor of top pairing minutes at this point in his career anyway.

Although I do like the possibility of a Greene - White pairing.

Agreed. People tend to forget how good they were after Lou took over for Larry in 2006. Just two of our many players who regressed under Julien.

I dont think White could even shut down a computer...so I voted for Matvichuk since there isn't a better option. :sarcasm:

Martin and White . I agree with what was posted about Matty no longer able to handle all those minutes. However, I do like a second pairing of Matty and Greene. Youth and experience, they'll have a good year.

I dont think White could even shut down a computer...so I voted for Matvichuk since there isn't a better option. :sarcasm:

:biglaugh::biglaugh:

Yeah I'd have to say Martin and Matvichuk in any crucial defensive situation.

I dont think White could even shut down a computer...so I voted for Matvichuk since there isn't a better option. :sarcasm:

LOL

Martin / White, Matty on the PK

Martin - White
Greene - Matvichuk
Rachunek - Vishnevski



Seems pretty obviousl to me :dunno:

I dont think White could even shut down a computer...so I voted for Matvichuk since there isn't a better option. :sarcasm:





haha good man!

I wouldn't mind something like that and Greene with White.

i know it kind of seems like a white raflaski pairing with white and greene but rafalski could make up for whites inevitable tunrovers and mistakes and im not sure if greene can handle that yet

but only time will tell

i think martin is the only person that can be paired with white

Martin - White
Greene - Matvichuk
Rachunek - Vishnevski



Seems pretty obviousl to me :dunno:

i want to see vish play more

so that in mind

white-martin
matvichuk-vish
rachunek-greene

not sure how rachunek and greene would do together though

:sarcasm:

I'd like to put Greene with Martin actually, or Oduya.

I'd like to put Greene with Martin actually, or Oduya.

i would like to put martin with greene but then who do we put with white? is going to make mistakes and cough up the puck and we need someone who can make up for than and i think the best guy to do that is martin

i would like to put martin with greene but then who do we put with white? is going to make mistakes and cough up the puck and we need someone who can make up for than and i think the best guy to do that is martin

White doesn't make too many stupid mistakes in his own end. He's fairly reliable. If anything Rafalski coughed up the puck in his own zone more last year.

Matvichuk was really great in the playoffs unlike white, so I'd take Martin- Matvichuk but the only thing that's worrying me is that Matvichuk is pretty old.

White doesn't make too many stupid mistakes in his own end. He's fairly reliable. If anything Rafalski coughed up the puck in his own zone more last year.

rafalski also handled the puck much more

it just seems like white is wondering around some times in the d-zone

Matvichuk was really great in the playoffs unlike white, so I'd take Martin- Matvichuk but the only thing that's worrying me is that Matvichuk is pretty old.

hes only 34, thats not REALLY old but, he does play like hes 40

just a little side not, i was looking at teh roster and we dont really have that many old players on teh team. im pretty sure Marty is the oldest.

Matvichuk was really great in the playoffs unlike white, so I'd take Martin- Matvichuk but the only thing that's worrying me is that Matvichuk is pretty old.

:help: Matvichuk is only 34. That does not define old

He is younger then Brian Rafalski! Which is why I a, elated that we did not sign Rafalski to a 6 year deal and let him walk.

If there is anything about Matvichuk to worry about it is if his back will hold up. But he had a 2nd consecutive solid and reliable post season.

White doesn't make too many stupid mistakes in his own end. He's fairly reliable. If anything Rafalski coughed up the puck in his own zone more last year.

Not only that, but I got so frustrated all season and in the playoffs when Rafalski's passes never hit the intended player. I think Rafalski is a terrible...terrrrrrrible passer. It always skipped over a skip or was turned over or off the mark.Just my observation. Martin can outlet pass, skate out of the zone, is a solid defender and is easily our top defenseman with Colin White.

If we had Rafalski this year I think Martin and White should still be our top defensive pairing.

Shutdown pair?? You have to be kidding me:biglaugh::biglaugh: So far we have only 3 Dmen who you know what you get when they hit the ice. Matvisuck is a 6'4" 220lbs fluffer. White if not injured 50% of the time could finally come into his own. Martin, is up and down lets see if he finally stays up. One thing about our D is they are going to be fun to watch. You'll never know what you'll get when they take the ice.

Shutdown pair?? You have to be kidding me:biglaugh::biglaugh: So far we have only 3 Dmen who you know what you get when they hit the ice. Matvisuck is a 6'4" 220lbs fluffer. White if not injured 50% of the time could finally come into his own. Martin, is up and down lets see if he finally stays up. One thing about our D is they are going to be fun to watch. You'll never know what you'll get when they take the ice.

Colin White has played 70 or more games every season of his career except of last season when he played 69. And I have a press release for you: Colin White has already come into his own. Ask all 30 GM's who would love to have him as one of their top 4 D-men. He blocks shots, is physical and WELL disciplined and is positionally sound and a good guy to have in the locker room.

Matvichuk again..is younger then a defenseman who on the 1st day of Free Agency this summer signed a 6 YEAR deal. Matvichuk is not an offensive weapon but is also a well trusted veteran defenseman in the shut down stay at home roll. Matvichuk has been our best post season D-Man for two consecutive seasons and makes a bargain $1.368 million.

We do know what we will get from Oduya and Martin and Rachunek and Vishnevski will have defined rolls.


Once again, Omen...you bring nothing to the table with your posts worth while. Go home.

I picked Other. I think Lou's idea is to roll all 3 lines continuously so no one line is vulnerable to being too tired and make a mistake. We're not gonna have a shut down line. Its just gonna be rotated.

I picked Other. I think Lou's idea is to roll all 3 lines continuously so no one line is vulnerable to being too tired and make a mistake. We're not gonna have a shut down line. Its just gonna be rotated.

:biglaugh:

With madden and pando? We are having a shutdown line.

Martin and White will be our go to guys (not counting how prospects turn out), if they are paired together or not. I see it as they will be at least for shut down.

:biglaugh:

With madden and pando? We are having a shutdown line.

Martin and White will be our go to guys (not counting how prospects turn out), if they are paired together or not. I see it as they will be at least for shut down.

Let me rephrase that.. We're not going to have a fixed Defense shutdown lines. Madden's lines will be there with a rotating D line. His line will still be a shutdown line but just the D will be rotating.

Let me rephrase that.. We're not going to have a fixed Defense shutdown lines. Madden's lines will be there with a rotating D line. His line will still be a shutdown line but just the D will be rotating.


i would rather have it be opposite to be honest........just roll the offense w/o matching up and have a set shutdown d pair.

It also really hinges on Andy Greene or Rachunek's development. The top O line is going to need an offense defenseman out there to help get them the puck. If green or rachunek can handle those kind of minutes and play well enough to support those lines in that situation, then Martin will proably get a share of shutdown duty. If not, Martin may need to play with the top O line more to help spark some offense.

White doesn't make too many stupid mistakes in his own end. He's fairly reliable. If anything Rafalski coughed up the puck in his own zone more last year.


Thank you! I was about to say that myself. Rafalski having to cover for White's mistakes? It was more the other way around. Whoever Raffy plays with has the roll of covering for his mistakes. The problem with White was, that while he's steady himself, he isn't really the smartest player (many of you will say understatement for sure) and didn't anticipate all that well what he should do to cover.

Matvichuk was really great in the playoffs unlike white, so I'd take Martin- Matvichuk but the only thing that's worrying me is that Matvichuk is pretty old.

As others pointed out, the problem isn't that Matty is old. THe problem, however, is that he is injury prone at this stage of his career.

So yeah, he's technically younger than Rafalski, but his body is very worn out (sort of like Leclair who went from great to crap at a young age because of back injuries). I really like Matty, but not at 20 minutes a game.