Devils Top 20 prospects

There are only two new additions to the New Jersey Devils Top 20 prospects list this time around, as Nicklas Bergfors, Matthew Corrente and Andy Greene remain atop the list.

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As is usually the case, in these the dog days of August where everyone is chomping at the bit for the season to start, there is a new compilation of the Top 20 prospects in the New Jersey Devils organization.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9847/devils_top20_prospects/

Only a couple new additions made the cut from the '07 draft class, but there was some significant movement up and down the list.

Also of note, please take the time to check out all the profiles on the Devils page, as they are all 100% completely up to date, including pictures and updated stats for every profile. It was an long process, but the page looks fantastic with the new site design and all the profiles up to date. In my 7 years of writing here, this is the first time the Devils page has looked this good!:D

Anyways, enough of my rambling.

Enjoy the article everyone! And please post all comments and thoughts in this thread:)

Jared (Calgary Devil)

As is usually the case, in these the dog days of August where everyone is chomping at the bit for the season to start, there is a new compilation of the Top 20 prospects in the New Jersey Devils organization.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9847/devils_top20_prospects/

Only a couple new additions made the cut from the '07 draft class, but there was some significant movement up and down the list.

Also of note, please take the time to check out all the profiles on the Devils page, as they are all 100% completely up to date, including pictures and updated stats for every profile. It was an long process, but the page looks fantastic with the new site design and all the profiles up to date. In my 7 years of writing here, this is the first time the Devils page has looked this good!:D

Anyways, enough of my rambling.

Enjoy the article everyone! And please post all comments and thoughts in this thread:)

Jared (Calgary Devil)

wow nice article man:handclap: i am assuming you wrote that? nice use of the word "plethora" i guess you are not a big fan of frazee?

cool to see Palmieri ranked so high. He's higher than Hoeffel.

The negative tone about our prospects in this article I'm not liking very much. The NHL.com article the other day was much more positive, with David Conte's comments and all. If anyone knows how our prospects are doing it's the draft-guru, David Conte. And when he's optimistic, I'm optimistic.

And you can't really say that Zharkov and Vasyunov struggled mightily, because they really didn't get an opportunity over there. Young players don't get much icetime in Russia, unless you're a Alex Ovechkin or Cherepanov. Put Zharkov and Vasyunov on any collegiate team or in the AHL and I guarantee you that we would see much more promising things from them

Nice arcticle, Well done.

Solid article. Thanks Jared for all the updates. Eager for camp to start so we can see some of these guys...

The negative tone about our prospects in this article I'm not liking very much. The NHL.com article the other day was much more positive, with David Conte's comments and all. If anyone knows how our prospects are doing it's the draft-guru, David Conte. And when he's optimistic, I'm optimistic.

And you can't really say that Zharkov and Vasyunov struggled mightily, because they really didn't get an opportunity over there. Young players don't get much icetime in Russia, unless you're a Alex Ovechkin or Cherepanov. Put Zharkov and Vasyunov on any collegiate team or in the AHL and I guarantee you that we would see much more promising things from them

I hope that I didn't come across as too negative. It's not that this isn't a decent group of prospects, it's just that the overall front end talent in the organization is lacking, and the majority of the prospects in the system at the moment don't have that "star potential". Just because a guy might only develop into 3rd line winger, or bottom pairing defenseman isn't a bad thing. You can't have a team full of superstars. If I came across as too negative, I apologize, because there is talent in the system. It's just not "superstar" talent.

And I did make note of the level of competition that Vasyunov and Zharkov played at in relation to their seasons last year, and I totally agree that they'd probably put up better numbers in North America. It's just harder to get an overall read on their play when they don't play enough.

The negative tone about our prospects in this article I'm not liking very much. The NHL.com article the other day was much more positive, with David Conte's comments and all. If anyone knows how our prospects are doing it's the draft-guru, David Conte. And when he's optimistic, I'm optimistic.

And you can't really say that Zharkov and Vasyunov struggled mightily, because they really didn't get an opportunity over there. Young players don't get much icetime in Russia, unless you're a Alex Ovechkin or Cherepanov. Put Zharkov and Vasyunov on any collegiate team or in the AHL and I guarantee you that we would see much more promising things from them

Uh, you expect Conte to say anything but positive things?

What is he going to say? "Our prospects suck and we should've drafted other guys"? He works in the organization and is supposed to be positive in the media.

wow nice article man:handclap: i am assuming you wrote that? nice use of the word "plethora" i guess you are not a big fan of frazee?

I'm not totally sold on him yet, but he made good progress last year, and I'm optimistic that he can carry that over to this year when he takes the reins as the Golden Gophers top goaltender.

cool to see Palmieri ranked so high. He's higher than Hoeffel.

From all the information I gathered on those two, Palmieri just seems to have a higher offensive ceiling that Hoeffel does, which is why I had Palmieri ahead of him.

Could one of the mods please transfer this thread to this thread:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=411619

Thanks!

From all the information I gathered on those two, Palmieri just seems to have a higher offensive ceiling that Hoeffel does, which is why I had Palmieri ahead of him.

Plus, he's straight up better IMO than No Hands Hoeffel. Palmieri can be a real steal for you guys.

I'm not totally sold on him yet, but he made good progress last year, and I'm optimistic that he can carry that over to this year when he takes the reins as the Golden Gophers top goaltender.
Agreed, this year will tell us more about Frazee than pretty much his whole career prior.

Also, that NHL.com article was waaaay too positive, I like reading good things about our prospects as much as the next guy, but to say that our current stock of prospects is A+ is just plain wrong. Most of our prospects are boom or bust, there are very few sure things and even those that I thought were sure things in the past (Bergfors for one) are not developing the way I would have hoped.

Zharkov and Vasyunov both had very poor years development wise, neither saw much ice time so their development had to be pretty lateral.

The simple fact is that the AHL club is not developing players like it once did. Conte and crew have been producing solid NHLers through the draft, but how many have spent time in Albany/Lowell? Martin, Zajac, Parise (lockout), Gomez, Gionta (1/2 season), and Greene (there for cap reasons much of the year) are good examples from last year's team.

Then you look at the number of guys that have just stalled in Albany/Lowell and it's depressing.

Edit: I think a big part of it is just the lack of opportunity for guys to win roster spots out of camp. Going to our AHL team must look like a full time AHL gig to these guys sometimes.

I hope that I didn't come across as too negative. It's not that this isn't a decent group of prospects, it's just that the overall front end talent in the organization is lacking, and the majority of the prospects in the system at the moment don't have that "star potential". Just because a guy might only develop into 3rd line winger, or bottom pairing defenseman isn't a bad thing. You can't have a team full of superstars. If I came across as too negative, I apologize, because there is talent in the system. It's just not "superstar" talent.

And I did make note of the level of competition that Vasyunov and Zharkov played at in relation to their seasons last year, and I totally agree that they'd probably put up better numbers in North America. It's just harder to get an overall read on their play when they don't play enough.

On some of the players you did, but I guess it's all good. It's just that when you consider the position we're in every year, we really don't have a shot at any budding superstars out there. The Devils are always among the bottom 10 when draft day comes around, so we can't really expect much more than what we already have.

Considering the draft positions we've had over the past years, I'm really liking what we have in our organization now. The future looks bright.

Other than that the article was great and I love the great updates on talent analysis and stats of our prospects. Keep up the good work! :)

On some of the players you did, but I guess it's all good. It's just that when you consider the position we're in every year, we really don't have a shot at any budding superstars out there. The Devils are always among the bottom 10 when draft day comes around, so we can't really expect much more than what we already have.

Considering the draft positions we've had over the past years, I'm really liking what we have in our organization now. The future looks bright.

Other than that the article was great and I love the great updates on talent analysis and stats of our prospects. Keep up the good work! :)

Thanks!:)And that is a very good point. The price to pay for success! And all things considered, the Devils have done a good job considering the low draft positions they've had over the past few years. And the free agent signings of Greene, Clarkson and Pelley have helped as well.

Good stuff. I always look forward to your articles, because I try to keep up with our prospects but never seem to have the time to, so they're nice little updates. And the prospect pages look great :handclap:

Great job as usual.

Thanks JR, its always a good thing when we know whats going on with guys we really cant follow in other leagues/countryies...any news if the 2 russians form the draft a couple of years ago(Zharkov and Vasyunov) are going to come across the pond to NA. I would love to see them bring some excitment to Lowell, and maybe as most said get some more ice time....are there any possibilities of them actually seeing time in the Devils org?

Thanks JR, its always a good thing when we know whats going on with guys we really cant follow in other leagues/countryies...any news if the 2 russians form the draft a couple of years ago(Zharkov and Vasyunov) are going to come across the pond to NA. I would love to see them bring some excitment to Lowell, and maybe as most said get some more ice time....are there any possibilities of them actually seeing time in the Devils org?

Well, with the new CBA in place, the Devils have to sign both Vasyunov and Zharkov before next year's draft, and I'm quite positive that the Devils will make every effort to bring them both over to North America once they are under contract. It would be very beneficial to both of them to get that much needed ice time in the AHL to help speed up their developments, but we will have to wait at least one more year for that.

alos odd to see Clarkson and pelley so low, unlike Philman and tallackson who didnt make a splash in little they spent witht he Devils, nothing but good things from those two.

i dont expect them to be top six guys but solid Devil players none-the-less, wonder if David will actually make the team like most posters are saying. Would they both be suited to playing big minutes in Lowell and letting Rupp and janssen grab the 12th and 13th spots on NJ's roster? I really think Cam's time here will be coming to an end, as we have too many players with grit and too many bodies for him to even grab a spot unlesswe are playing a tough team(Asahm and Rupp can both fight, and have a better well-rounded game than him)

Well, with the new CBA in place, the Devils have to sign both Vasyunov and Zharkov before next year's draft, and I'm quite positive that the Devils will make every effort to bring them both over to North America once they are under contract. It would be very beneficial to both of them to get that much needed ice time in the AHL to help speed up their developments, but we will have to wait at least one more year for that.

thanks again, I know this may be hard to find with translation, but have either of them expressed intrest of one day playing in the NHL or for that matter with the Devils?

thanks again, I know this may be hard to find with translation, but have either of them expressed intrest of one day playing in the NHL or for that matter with the Devils?

I don't have anything concrete nor have I read or found anything about them regarding the matter, but when I was at the draft in Vancouver in '06, they were both present at the proceedings, so to me, that shows that they at least have the desire to play in the NHL someday.

Well, with the new CBA in place, the Devils have to sign both Vasyunov and Zharkov before next year's draft, and I'm quite positive that the Devils will make every effort to bring them both over to North America once they are under contract. It would be very beneficial to both of them to get that much needed ice time in the AHL to help speed up their developments, but we will have to wait at least one more year for that.

Not quite true. They are Russian. No transfer agreement = them staying Devils prospects until there is one in place, AFAIK. I'm 99% sure that they do not lose their rights before next year's draft due to the lack of an agreement.

While it sucks that the clubs can hold them hostage to an extent, it's also good in a way since the right holding team can watch them develop longer than every other Euro prospect.

Mark Fayne is a pretty exciting prospect. I can't wait to see year 2 from Fayne. Same exact thing for Tulupov.

I honestly believe the NJ Defense prospect corp is vastly underrated.....I really think this group of Greene, Corrente, Fayne, Tulupov and Fraser is better than pretty good.

I'd bet all 5 have NHL careers....We'll see, but if you scan NHL teams prospects list, your not gonna find to many teams that have 5 defensemen that will make it to NHL. Greene and Fraser already have, Corrente most likely will be in the NHL at some point , Fayne and Tulupov have a lot to prove and they are still the question marks....But its looking very good for them so far.

That group of defensemen covers just about every style, has a great blend of size and skill....I think we'll look back at this group in 4 or 5 years and laugh at the 28th Ranking and the claims of lack of depth and top end talent

Can't wait so see them all develop and get chances to play. I love it when my friends say, "where the hell did _________ come from? I never heard of this guy and he is pretty good!" Never gets old. And speaking of old, that is how I am feeling as I am older than half of the prospects...ahh, times are changing...

Wow. Romano, Eckford and Fayne really seem to be steals. Can't wait to see more of these guys.

Excellent article as always Jared :handclap:

It's just a ranking a everything can change in a few months.
Thanks for the article, nice read as usual :)
But the lone truth is on the ice, so we'll see... There were a lot of players in our top-5 who never made it, same with other teams. :)

Mark Fayne scored 12 points as a Freshman on team that their leading point getter had 25 points...Pretty impressive.


*Was the top scoring freshman defenseman in the league
*Named to the Hockey East All-Rookie Team
*Won Rev. Herman Schneider Most Valuable Freshman Award
*Won Ron Wilson Best Defensive Player Award
*Finished tied for seventh in Hockey East in scoring among all defensemen
*Played in all 36 games as a freshman defenseman

Thats one heck of a rookie season....And 6'3'' 220 :)


PS...I love the looks of his #4 on his jersey ;)

Mark Fayne is a pretty exciting prospect. I can't wait to see year 2 from Fayne. Same exact thing for Tulupov.

I honestly believe the NJ Defense prospect corp is vastly underrated.....I really think this group of Greene, Corrente, Fayne, Tulupov and Fraser is better than pretty good.

I'd bet all 5 have NHL careers....We'll see, but if you scan NHL teams prospects list, your not gonna find to many teams that have 5 defensemen that will make it to NHL. Greene and Fraser already have, Corrente most likely will be in the NHL at some point , Fayne and Tulupov have a lot to prove and they are still the question marks....But its looking very good for them so far.

That group of defensemen covers just about every style, has a great blend of size and skill....I think we'll look back at this group in 4 or 5 years and laugh at the 28th Ranking and the claims of lack of depth and top end talent

I agree 100% with that. The Devils addressed what was once a glaring weakness and turned into the strength of the organization. When Sean Zimmerman can't get into the Top 20, I think it shows just how much upcoming talent the Devils have on the blueline....

I agree 100% with that. The Devils addressed what was once a glaring weakness and turned into the strength of the organization. When Sean Zimmerman can't get into the Top 20, I think it shows just how much upcoming talent the Devils have on the blueline....

I also think Fraser is an underrated prospect. Som uch to the point I think he is a top 2 prosepect on the blueline (behind Corrente and above Zimmerman).


Fraser is an NHL ready defense man. He could not be any less of an impact then David Hale was and he is young, has good size and could be MAtvichuk's replacement after this season.

I think Fraser could see some time this season and if someone like MAtvichuk is dealt in a package or solely then Fraser will make the roster.


Great article as always.

Great article, suprised to see how much Romano jumped.

Zharkov and Vasyunov both had very poor years development wise, neither saw much ice time so their development had to be pretty lateral.


Zharkov actually played a regular shift in almost every game of the season with CSKA. I think he was a healthy scratch for only 2 or 3 games. So, I don't think you can compare him to Vasyunov, who hardly played.

Mark Fayne is a pretty exciting prospect. I can't wait to see year 2 from Fayne. Same exact thing for Tulupov.

I honestly believe the NJ Defense prospect corp is vastly underrated.....I really think this group of Greene, Corrente, Fayne, Tulupov and Fraser is better than pretty good.

I'd bet all 5 have NHL careers....We'll see, but if you scan NHL teams prospects list, your not gonna find to many teams that have 5 defensemen that will make it to NHL. Greene and Fraser already have, Corrente most likely will be in the NHL at some point , Fayne and Tulupov have a lot to prove and they are still the question marks....But its looking very good for them so far.

That group of defensemen covers just about every style, has a great blend of size and skill....I think we'll look back at this group in 4 or 5 years and laugh at the 28th Ranking and the claims of lack of depth and top end talent

Since the departure of Stevens and Neids, Lou and Conte have been reloading big time on D prospects. I agree completely that this group looks pretty darn good. I am huge Greene fan, and think he wil be Top 4 quality essentially right out of the gate (looking as much or more a "natural" as did Paul Martin when he arrived) and I think Corrente is going to be a stud as well.

These guys might not be Jack Johnson, but all the hype aside, the drop off in the actual NHL might be less than one might think...

Not so sure about Fraser, but folks keep saying "Colin White 2.0", so I'll wait and see. And Fayne and Tulupov seem very promising. Can't wait to see them play in person.

Also like all the power forwards in the organization. That certainly fills a need, as well.

We've got the goalie and fancy wingers for another 4-5 years, so it is very cool having these other roll players to slot in while Marty, Elias and Parise are still in their prime.

not that it really makes any difference at all (cuz I know who is going to be the better player :)) but what is the reasoning behind placing Corrente (7.0c) ahead of Andy Greene (7.0b)

Corrent has a higher ceiling. I guess Corrente should be 7.5C...

Great read as always Jared.

Good point about the collegiate guys...that seems to be the future.

Are Bergfors and Corrente really better than Greene?

Are Bergfors and Corrente really better than Greene?

*Potentially* yes.

Interesting, I don't know much about either, but I do know Greene has been a nice surprise for us

*Potentially* yes.

True. They could both either be top-tier players or end up unable to hold Greene's jock strap.

Looking over the drafts from 1999-2003 are for the most part pretty brutal in retrospect
really all we got was Martin, Parise, Jannsen, and hopefully Tallackson and Vrana...It really seems like the scouts do better with undrafted players than late round picks

True. They could both either be top-tier players or end up unable to hold Greene's jock strap.

I think Greene has that certain something, we need to see more but I think its there....I don't know what to call it, maybe poise? Maybe hockey sense???...Call it what you will, but it's obviously there.

It's what will get him through the learning curve and make him a mainstay on the Devils blueline...

Sometimes pure skill is less important than those intangibles.

I think Greene has that certain something, we need to see more but I think its there....I don't know what to call it, maybe poise? Maybe hockey sense???...Call it what you will, but it's obviously there.

I call it a 97 mph slap shot which could end up being a dangerous PP weapon and a smart and disciplined mentality which was observed in 4 years as Captain of Miami, OH and his brief stint with NJ last season.

Andy Greene is the real deal and could give Martin a run for top line defenseman.

Looking over the drafts from 1999-2003 are for the most part pretty brutal in retrospect
really all we got was Martin, Parise, Jannsen, and hopefully Tallackson and Vrana...It really seems like the scouts do better with undrafted players than late round picks

You have to look at in context...

From 1999-2003 the Devils were arguably the best team in the NHL with 2 Stanley Cups and 3 Finals appearences....You don't pick very high in under those circustances...When you are picking bottom 5 of every round for every year selecting blue chips is impossible.

You say, "All we got"......

All we got during those years is 4 100 point season - 5 straight 40+ win seasons and 4 of those seasons were 45+ wins -- 2 Stanley Cups -- 3 Finals Appearences and produced sublemental players to a championship quality team while adding 4 core players in Madden, Rafalski, Martin and Parise.

New-Jersey Devils 82 47 24 11 0 105 248 196 1355
New-Jersey Devils 82 45 24 8 5 103 251 203 1313
New-Jersey Devils 82 48 19 12 3 111 295 195 1235
New-Jersey Devils 82 41 28 9 4 95 205 187 1010
New-Jersey Devils 82 46 20 10 6 108 216 166 938

.........And how can underplay the fact that we got Parise during that time period??? And you left out the fact that they Added Rafalski and Madden during that period as well!

You pick up players of the quality of Martin and Parise every 5 years, and win two Cups during the same time period; Your organization is doing something right.

Can't wait till we get a chance to see Vasyunov, he seems to be very exciting

Also like all the power forwards in the organization. That certainly fills a need, as well.

We've got the goalie and fancy wingers for another 4-5 years, so it is very cool having these other roll players to slot in while Marty, Elias and Parise are still in their prime.

Red Wings fan here. Reading the article, the one thing that struck me was the amount of power forwards in your system. I must say that already before the new rules interpretations, David Conte and his staff have been ahead of the curve. After the 2006 playoffs it was apparent that the most desirable assets are big players who can skate. With no legal means to obstruct them, their value has went through the roof.

But what kind of a player is the most capable in containing the power forwards in front of the net? The kind of defenceman you guys have been drafting since 2004. D-men like Fraser, Fayne, Zimmerman and Tulupov all have size and the skating to impose their will effectively. Your team is likely to become a real force to be reckoned with in the east. In Bob Gainey's Montreal there are similar qualities, but their most impactful prospects still have a long way to go.

As a conclusion I thought I'd post a quote about this issue. From June 2006:
It seems to me that, in reading about free agency and the upcoming draft, certain players are rated higher because they have a lot of speed and skill, even though they're tiny. Claude Giroux and Bryan Little are two draftees like this. Watching the playoffs, and especially the Finals, it seems clear to me that the combination that is more important than any other is size and speed. Look at a guy like Fernando Pisani. The guy has good size and good speed, but he's not a sniper or a stickhandling wizard by any means. And he's got something like 13 goals in the playoffs.

So, I'm thinking, whilst other teams are looking for fast, skilled guys in the draft, and taking little guys higher than they would in other years because there is a perception that the rule changes have leveled the playing field, the Wings should be able to stock up on guys that are big and fast, but who might not necessarily have the numbers or the puck skills that the little guys have.

Watching the little guys get crushed in the playoffs just makes me think that if you've got a team full of big, fast guys and a team full of little, fast guys, the big guys are going to win. If your big fast guys can keep the little guys away from your net, then you're going to make that other team look just like the Wings looked in the last 3 playoffs - soft, small, and slow. It doesn't matter how skilled your players are if they can't get the puck in a situation where they can put that skill to good use.

And it seems like strong players have been given a huge advantage with the rule changes. Now that hooking and holding is down, it's about who has the strength to keep the puck and take it away. Little guys can't get by with the little tugs that have enabled them to play effective D in the past. This is one major reason why Lidstrom is not as effective as he once was - he has no strength to speak of, so when push comes to shove, he gets pushed and shoved. And he doesn't have the speed to make up for it.

IMO the Wings should load up on guys that are big and fast and hit hard, because they've got more than enough skilled players to get it done. They need bruisers to open up space for their skilled forwards, and bruisers to take away the space for the opposition's forwards. With the common conception being that the smaller, more skilled player has the advantage now, I believe the Wings should strike as hard as they can and get as big and fast as possible. That's the way the game is headed - it's not tilting toward small, fast players, it's tilting to the big, fast players.

Just a quick 'good job' to Jared for getting the profiles updated. They're the unsung heroes of the site, and it's nice to see them done so thoroughly.

Mark Fayne scored 12 points as a Freshman on team that their leading point getter had 25 points...Pretty impressive.


*Was the top scoring freshman defenseman in the league
*Named to the Hockey East All-Rookie Team
*Won Rev. Herman Schneider Most Valuable Freshman Award
*Won Ron Wilson Best Defensive Player Award
*Finished tied for seventh in Hockey East in scoring among all defensemen
*Played in all 36 games as a freshman defenseman

Thats one heck of a rookie season....And 6'3'' 220 :)


PS...I love the looks of his #4 on his jersey ;)

He's a hell of a player dude...I saw him play us (UNH) twice last year and just that was enough to impress. Barring anything out of the ordinary, he will make the NHL.

Agreed, this year will tell us more about Frazee than pretty much his whole career prior.

Also, that NHL.com article was waaaay too positive, I like reading good things about our prospects as much as the next guy, but to say that our current stock of prospects is A+ is just plain wrong. Most of our prospects are boom or bust, there are very few sure things and even those that I thought were sure things in the past (Bergfors for one) are not developing the way I would have hoped.

Zharkov and Vasyunov both had very poor years development wise, neither saw much ice time so their development had to be pretty lateral.

The simple fact is that the AHL club is not developing players like it once did. Conte and crew have been producing solid NHLers through the draft, but how many have spent time in Albany/Lowell? Martin, Zajac, Parise (lockout), Gomez, Gionta (1/2 season), and Greene (there for cap reasons much of the year) are good examples from last year's team.

Then you look at the number of guys that have just stalled in Albany/Lowell and it's depressing.

Edit: I think a big part of it is just the lack of opportunity for guys to win roster spots out of camp. Going to our AHL team must look like a full time AHL gig to these guys sometimes.

i agree with you 100 % here and have been saying this a long time. and yes any article (Nhl.com) that speaks highly of Barry Tallackson really has no clue.

I call it a 97 mph slap shot which could end up being a dangerous PP weapon and a smart and disciplined mentality which was observed in 4 years as Captain of Miami, OH and his brief stint with NJ last season.

Andy Greene is the real deal and could give Martin a run for top line defenseman.

I totally agree. For all the pool junkies, Andy Greene is a major, major sleeper. I'm calling a 40 point season for him....

Just a quick 'good job' to Jared for getting the profiles updated. They're the unsung heroes of the site, and it's nice to see them done so thoroughly.

Thank you:D It definitely was a long progress, but now that it's done, the team page looks great....