OT:Alcohol banned at PNC arts center.

This for me really sucks when going to concerts their it is much like a good Devils CAA tailgate. It's too bad people can't control themselves and ruin things for everyone. I was at Ozzfest this week where the deaths of 2 people due to drinking and doing cocaine prompted the ban. The next time Im there which will be this weekend I guess I'll have to leave the Koolaid at home. I do have some plastic cups for some lager though.;)

blame it on the ****** mall metal kids

:lol:

blame it on the ****** mall metal kidsThey weren't kids that died one was 24 the other 26 but still eff the mall metal kids and those hip hop hipsters.:madfire:

Hah, hip hop hipsters

Hah, hip hop hipstersHad to think of something for those who aren't about to rock.;)

Had to think of something for those who aren't about to rock.;)

And therefore will not be saluted.

This for me really sucks when going to concerts their it is much like a good Devils CAA tailgate. It's too bad people can't control themselves and ruin things for everyone. I was at Ozzfest this week where the deaths of 2 people due to drinking and doing cocaine prompted the ban. The next time Im there which will be this weekend I guess I'll have to leave the Koolaid at home. I do have some plastic cups for some lager though.;)

It's a stupid but typical (nowadays) overreaction by the people at PNC to ban all drinking before events, even though a vast, vast majority of people there are able to drink responsibly before events. Probably just a matter of time before we see drinking banned before sporting events as well.

Yeah tailgating was the only reason I saw 311 there last summer, not going to lie. Free ticket+Free beer=Why not?.

I heard that security or some officials were drinking at Ozzfest, and that was gas on the fire.

Wow, I agree, what an overreaction! I was just there on Wednesday for Def Leppard and had a blast in the Parking Lot. Wow, this sucks big time.

I heard that security or some officials were drinking at Ozzfest, and that was gas on the fire.

At the Tool concert, my coworker thought he was being hassled by a bunch of drunk guys but quickly learned that they were uncovered state trooper trying to catch underage drinkers. When they were carded, the troopers were sober as can be. I will be at PNC this week. I will just put the beer in a plastic cup.

It is a bummer, because some shows are only good with a little pregame. Plus, the beer inside is like $7 each! Lines are ridiculous, and (i'm not sure if they're still doing this) but first you have to wait 20 minutes on line just to get stamped and a wrist band:thumbd:

This really ruins it for the "responsible" drinkers.... but from what I have been told, they still turn thier heads if you are of age and not making a scene.....


I wonder if kids will act like this during the camden ozzfest show this week...

The key word here is "cocaine". What part of that has to do with alcohol? They had a very deadly and very illegal drug and they decide to ban alcohol because these two yahoos died? What about the literally tens of millions of people who have been there over the years who have not died and who have not mixed in cocaine...

MASSIVE overreaction.

The key word here is "cocaine". What part of that has to do with alcohol? They had a very deadly and very illegal drug and they decide to ban alcohol because these two yahoos died? What about the literally tens of millions of people who have been there over the years who have not died and who have not mixed in cocaine...

MASSIVE overreaction.

You're not paying the insurance bills, though. That + the negative attention.
This will happen everywhere sooner or later. What kind of mass transit do they
have at the Arts Center? I'm going with "none", but I could be wrong. That's a
little troubling right there. Kinda like Giants Stadium, you hope they're stuck in traffic when they bump you, and not steaming the wrong down something or other.

Not that they shouldn't have seen something like this coming when you hold a
"free concert".

You're not paying the insurance bills, though. That + the negative attention.
This will happen everywhere sooner or later. What kind of mass transit do they
have at the Arts Center? I'm going with "none", but I could be wrong. That's a
little troubling right there. Kinda like Giants Stadium, you hope they're stuck in traffic when they bump you, and not steaming the wrong down something or other.

Not that they shouldn't have seen something like this coming when you hold a
"free concert".

What insurance bills and how does this incident affect them?

As for the negative attention, this incident would’ve just blown over in a couple of days. I’m not even sure if any group out there was calling for a ban on alcohol there. If anything, maybe they should just better enforce preventing underage drinking and the use of illegal drunks. Bottom line though, the idiots that still want to get out of control wasted there will still find a way – whether it’s doing coke or some other drugs like these guys did, or just drinking in the car or mixing strong drinks disguised in regular bottles – these guys aren’t all of the sudden just go to the events totally sober. The people this affects most are the people that can control their alcohol and just want to drink socially with some friends before the show and save some money rather than wait in lines and drop a ton of money on $7 beers inside the gates.

And what does the fact that this was a free concert really have to do with anything? I don’t get the connection.

They weren't kids that died one was 24 the other 26 but still eff the mall metal kids and those hip hop hipsters.:madfire:

24--26, they were kids

This ban is more proof at how much this state sucks and how moronic this state is. They'll listen to the one person complaining but never to the majority (the majority being in this case that these 2 people must have been morons).

If you have the money, do yourself a favor and get out of this state before it goes to hell. Because its coming.

Wow, I agree, what an overreaction! I was just there on Wednesday for Def Leppard and had a blast in the Parking Lot. Wow, this sucks big time.

Haha, Def Leppard...

people will just have to snort their coke outside and get ripped before the show. PHEW. i guess its just not the same though unless youre getting wasted in front of a Real Rock Band.

:sarcasm:

i wonder what Ozzy had to say about two people dying at his "fest"

What insurance bills and how does this incident affect them?

As for the negative attention, this incident would’ve just blown over in a couple of days. I’m not even sure if any group out there was calling for a ban on alcohol there. If anything, maybe they should just better enforce preventing underage drinking and the use of illegal drunks. Bottom line though, the idiots that still want to get out of control wasted there will still find a way – whether it’s doing coke or some other drugs like these guys did, or just drinking in the car or mixing strong drinks disguised in regular bottles – these guys aren’t all of the sudden just go to the events totally sober. The people this affects most are the people that can control their alcohol and just want to drink socially with some friends before the show and save some money rather than wait in lines and drop a ton of money on $7 beers inside the gates.

And what does the fact that this was a free concert really have to do with anything? I don’t get the connection.

The insurance that covers them, when jackasses drop dead on the property or, if
they hadn't dropped dead, had caused bodily harm or property damage to someone
else.

Your definition of "social drinking" and mine are two different things. I haven't been
to the Arts Center, but at the Meadowlands, some of the "social drinking" is pretty
damn scary, considering it's an "auto only" venue. It's not people knocking back a beer or two and having some burgers and brats, it's more like, "let's see who can drink a six pack in 15 minutes or a bottle of vodka first." They're just "pre-gaming"
so they don't spend $100 inside. Only $50. And then they leave and drive. Like
the guys who bronco it over the grass and unto 120, or my personal favorite, the guy
who needed to put down some Absolut while heading out of the parking lot. I'm actually surprised they still allow it at Giants Stadium after that girl was crippled by
someone on their way out, but I guess there's no way they can get their arms around it.

What's the punishment for getting caught drinking in the parking lot now? That's one way they could stop it. If it's "HEY, PUT THAT AWAY", yeah, well, then it doesn't accomplish much.

As for the price of the tickets, when I saw the "free" Ozzfest idea, I knew that was
going to be "interesting". Potential to be a big-time "lowest common denominator"
event. Actually surprised it went so "well".

And what it comes down to is, it's their parking lot, they can pretty much do whatever you want. If it upsets you that you can't drink in the parking lot, vote
with your feet.

I also heard they were arresting people that were dancing "too hard" (see video, if it works) and no I don't mean that queer pushing each other around retard ****. Does anyone know if there is any truth to that?

I, for one, never goto anything at the place anyway and if I did it'd probably be classic rock or something...but still, I think that's insane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va2it4Fd3L4

The insurance that covers them, when jackasses drop dead on the property or, if
they hadn't dropped dead, had caused bodily harm or property damage to someone
else.

I'm just curious to see what type of money (if any) they're going to have to pay as a result of this incident (whether insurance or PNC dishes it out). PNC didn't do anything wrong (since they were both over the legal drinking age, and it's tough to blame them for not stopping the guys from doing coke), but I wouldn't be surprised to see a lawsuit come out of this somehow.

Your definition of "social drinking" and mine are two different things. I haven't been to the Arts Center, but at the Meadowlands, some of the "social drinking" is prettydamn scary, considering it's an "auto only" venue. It's not people knocking back a beer or two and having some burgers and brats, it's more like, "let's see who can drink a six pack in 15 minutes or a bottle of vodka first." They're just "pre-gaming" so they don't spend $100 inside. Only $50. And then they leave and drive. Like the guys who bronco it over the grass and unto 120, or my personal favorite, the guy who needed to put down some Absolut while heading out of the parking lot. I'm actually surprised they still allow it at Giants Stadium after that girl was crippled by someone on their way out, but I guess there's no way they can get their arms around it.

I understand where you're coming from, but why not take this a step further and ban drinking in bars & restaurants? Plenty of people drive drunk leaving those establishments and harm innocent people as a result. Hell, people can get drunk at their own house (or a friend's place watching the game) and kill people on the roadway...why not just go back to prohabition and ban alcohol all together?

As for the people you're talking about at the Meadowlands, who's to say that they're the ones that are going to get behind the wheel anyway? I agree that people getting wasted at sporting events / concerts is a problem (beyond whether they get behind a wheel or not - many ruin the event for others by yelling at people, cursing, fighting, etc...just being all-around drunken a-holes.) but I think a different course of action can be taken than just banning alcohol all-together (though PNC still sells it). Perhaps more enforcement of tossing people that are out of control or something...or spot checking drivers as they leave the premises (most cars are just sitting in line barely moving anyway) to see if the driver is intoxicated. Though most of the drunken idiots stand out, I still think a vast majority of people are more responsible. It's just a matter of where you want to draw the line as surely many bars / restaurants / even regular houses have their fair share of people driving drunk on Sunday afternoons in the fall.

What's the punishment for getting caught drinking in the parking lot now? That's one way they could stop it. If it's "HEY, PUT THAT AWAY", yeah, well, then it doesn't accomplish much.

As for the price of the tickets, when I saw the "free" Ozzfest idea, I knew that was
going to be "interesting". Potential to be a big-time "lowest common denominator"
event. Actually surprised it went so "well".

And what it comes down to is, it's their parking lot, they can pretty much do whatever you want. If it upsets you that you can't drink in the parking lot, vote
with your feet.

You're right, they can do what they want...just like I can voice my displeasure with their decision. Maybe it will affect their attendance & bottom line in the future, maybe not. Personally, it's not going to affect me that much as I haven't been to PNC in at least 5 years and probably won't be going there anytime soon anyway (I don't care much for the venue and would rather see concerts in the city where I can take the train). Without being able to tailgate at Devils games anymore, there's even less of a chance something like this will affect me down the road.

Tailgating for the Devils means 40s on the PATH train now.

Tailgating for the Devils means 40s on the PATH train now.

How will you know the difference between a tailgate and a regular? :sarcasm: