Martin taken off roster on devil site...

http://devils.nhl.com/team/app?service=page&page=TeamPlayers&type=roster


a poster mentioned this on another site and i thought it was very interesting. he was there a couple days ago. could this be an error or is a trade in the works?

Probably a typo/error.

Although I remember when the Lindros trade was not official yet, people found hidden player pages for Jan Hlavac, Pavel Brendl, and Kim Johnsson on the Flyers' site.

Probably a typo/error.

Although I remember when the Lindros trade was not official yet, people found hidden player pages for Jan Hlavac, Pavel Brendl, and Kim Johnsson on the Flyers' site.

I hope it's just an error. Just seems odd that he's not there right after he signs.
If he is dealt, i sure hope we get a dman back.

Omg Oh Noez!!12@!!1!!!!1

Eklund hacked the Devils' website and removed Martin's player page, so people might actually start to believe his New Jersey/Edmonton rumor.

Eklund hacked the Devils' website and removed Martin's player page, so people might actually start to believe his New Jersey/Edmonton rumor.

VOUCH!! :biglaugh:

"The Devils have had some talks with the Oilers in the past 24 hours in a move that would send Martin and a 'big name' to Edmonton for Horcoff and two big time prospects." - Eklund

Yeah right.

Martin and Elias for Horcoff, Cogliano and Smid? LOL.

"The Devils have had some talks with the Oilers in the past 24 hours in a move that would send Martin and a 'big name' to Edmonton for Horcoff and two big time prospects." - Eklund

Yeah right.

Martin and Elias for Horcoff, Cogliano and Smid? LOL.

Cogliano sucks.

"The Devils have had some talks with the Oilers in the past 24 hours in a move that would send Martin and a 'big name' to Edmonton for Horcoff and two big time prospects." - Eklund

Yeah right.

Martin and Elias for Horcoff, Cogliano and Smid? LOL.

....or Robbie Schremp.

"The Devils have had some talks with the Oilers in the past 24 hours in a move that would send Martin and a 'big name' to Edmonton for Horcoff and two big time prospects." - Eklund

Yeah right.

Martin and Elias for Horcoff, Cogliano and Smid? LOL.


Elias will waive his NTC to go to Edmonton, especially in their current state,
around the same time I become overlord and ruler of the universe.

Elias will waive his NTC to go to Edmonton, especially in their current state,
around the same time I become overlord and ruler of the universe.

As well Edmonton only has about $3.7 million in cap space (according to NHLSCAP). They can't take on salary like Elias.

So let me get this straight. After signing a top pairing d-man who can play 24-25 minutes a night for a relatively low cap hit (only $3.83 million, if I recall correctly), Lou is going to trade him and a big name (Elias? Who else because it can't possibly be Brodeur?) for...Horcoff (a center), and two big time prospects (who are not sure things; hence, the term prospect). Despite that the Devils are well under the cap and can't possibly get fair value in return from Edmonton for those two. That's so nonsensical it might even never happen!

So let me get this straight. After signing a top pairing d-man who can play 24-25 minutes a night for a relatively low cap hit (only $3.83 million, if I recall correctly), Lou is going to trade him and a big name (Elias? Who else because it can't possibly be Brodeur?) for...Horcoff (a center), and two big time prospects (who are not sure things; hence, the term prospect). Despite that the Devils are well under the cap and can't possibly get fair value in return from Edmonton for those two. That's so nonsensical it might even never happen!

...the big name from the Devils could be Gionta or Zubrus. Edmonton does have Robbie Schremp...I'd like to see Lou get his claws into that kid. Smid is still a decent "prospect", I wouldn't mind him on this team.

This has been happening on the Caps site all summer. It might have something to do with the new streamlined NHL team sites.

On any given day there's about a 75% chance that any player will be on the Caps' website.

What two big time prospects do the Oilers have? Any Oilers fans in there help me out?

OMG LOOK WHAT I FOUND!:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=2189&hubname=nhl-oilers

Maybe it's true!!

OMG LOOK WHAT I FOUND!:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=2189&hubname=nhl-oilers

Maybe it's true!!

what?:amazed: no im just kidding a whole bunch of peole did that before in another thread, with like crosby and pronger etc....

So let me get this straight. After signing a top pairing d-man who can play 24-25 minutes a night for a relatively low cap hit (only $3.83 million, if I recall correctly), Lou is going to trade him and a big name (Elias? Who else because it can't possibly be Brodeur?) for...Horcoff (a center), and two big time prospects (who are not sure things; hence, the term prospect). Despite that the Devils are well under the cap and can't possibly get fair value in return from Edmonton for those two. That's so nonsensical it might even never happen!

considering they each have ntc and nmc it probabky wouldnt be them, (if it even happens) but probably gionta was who he was implying

what?:amazed: no im just kidding a whole bunch of peole did that before in another thread, with like crosby and pronger etc....

http://tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=279&hubname=nhl-devils

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OMG SHAQ IS A DEVILS OMG! YES!! NOW MESS WITH US!! :D::sarcasm::sarcasm:

http://tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=279&hubname=nhl-devils

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ahahhhahahha:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:........ or....shaq hahahahhaahahahahha:biglaugh::biglaugh:

Eklund hacked the Devils' website and removed Martin's player page, so people might actually start to believe his New Jersey/Edmonton rumor.

e5

http://tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=279&hubname=nhl-devils

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LOL. Just stick him in front of the net he's sure to get a few rebounds to pop in.

What two big time prospects do the Oilers have? Any Oilers fans in there help me out?

None really. Sam Gagner is probably the top prospect but he's not going to help NJD this season. Cogliano (contrary to what a poster above said) is a quality prospect with a nice range of skills but no one is going to deal Elias for him any time before his 40th birthday. They have some nice prospects who could end up being something (Trukhno, Gilbert, Jacques) but all 30 teams have those kinds of guys and they are usually picked up for a pick or maybe a 35-year old defender at the trade deadline.

So, no.

WARNING: This is ENTIRELY hypothetical and does not take into account players' desires to stay/leave, salary caps/contracts, I'm basically ignoring a lot of variables, but this is hypothetical and I'm kinda going to ramble.
Basically I'm going to try to use logic to explain why anybody would want to lose their #1 defenseman in a trade.
Don't jump all over me but I could see Martin+Zubrus OR Langs (Unless he has a NTC [I don't remember]) for Horcoff+Prospects but only IF we had stronger defense. With Martin being our de facto #1 in front of Colin White and a mostly unimpressive 5 or 6 behind him, it'd be a hard loss, unless the "prospects" remind us of either defensive Scott from our past (From Edmonton, probably not).

Think about it. We need a better 1st line center. We lost Gomez and replaced him with Zubrus, a good center but better RW. Zubrus is good, perhaps really good, but Gomez was great when he actually PLAYED (Playoffs of last season, for a quick example).
Assuming Zub went with Martin, Horcoff would fill in Zubrus's spot on the first line Center.
Assuming we let Langenbrunner go with Martin, you could put Zubrus on the RW of either the 1st or 2nd line with Gionta taking the remaining RW spot. In theory, the first two lines would look something like this:
Elias-Horcoff-Gionta/Zubrus
Parise-Zajac-Zubrus/Gionta
And that list makes me very happy.

But for that to hypothetically work IMHO, both prospects should be defensemen and particularly good at that. Even then, though, Martin seems like the plug in our leaky defense, and I don't think two band-aids could hold it down.

So a trade of Paul Martin, without most of the variables, still seems like a bad idea to me. I just attempted to see how it could make ANY sense.

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What? I've watched almost every game of his for a few years now. He's not that good of a player. He has less than average hockey sense and has no real clue what to do with the puck when he has it.

If he even makes it, which he should with his speed, he'll be a 3rd/4th line role player.

He is simply not what he was billed to be and hasn't progressed as he should have.

WARNING: This is ENTIRELY hypothetical and does not take into account players' desires to stay/leave, salary caps/contracts, I'm basically ignoring a lot of variables, but this is hypothetical and I'm kinda going to ramble.
Basically I'm going to try to use logic to explain why anybody would want to lose their #1 defenseman in a trade.
Don't jump all over me but I could see Martin+Zubrus OR Langs (Unless he has a NTC [I don't remember]) for Horcoff+Prospects but only IF we had stronger defense. With Martin being our de facto #1 in front of Colin White and a mostly unimpressive 5 or 6 behind him, it'd be a hard loss, unless the "prospects" remind us of either defensive Scott from our past (From Edmonton, probably not).

Think about it. We need a better 1st line center. We lost Gomez and replaced him with Zubrus, a good center but better RW. Zubrus is good, perhaps really good, but Gomez was great when he actually PLAYED (Playoffs of last season, for a quick example).
Assuming Zub went with Martin, Horcoff would fill in Zubrus's spot on the first line Center.
Assuming we let Langenbrunner go with Martin, you could put Zubrus on the RW of either the 1st or 2nd line with Gionta taking the remaining RW spot. In theory, the first two lines would look something like this:
Elias-Horcoff-Gionta/Zubrus
Parise-Zajac-Zubrus/Gionta
And that list makes me very happy.

But for that to hypothetically work IMHO, both prospects should be defensemen and particularly good at that. Even then, though, Martin seems like the plug in our leaky defense, and I don't think two band-aids could hold it down.

So a trade of Paul Martin, without most of the variables, still seems like a bad idea to me. I just attempted to see how it could make ANY sense.

Zubrus is not going anywhere....I understand the proposal I guess, but hes gotta at least play a season here, its just not Lou and co. MO

WARNING: This is ENTIRELY hypothetical and does not take into account players' desires to stay/leave, salary caps/contracts, I'm basically ignoring a lot of variables, but this is hypothetical and I'm kinda going to ramble.
Basically I'm going to try to use logic to explain why anybody would want to lose their #1 defenseman in a trade.
Don't jump all over me but I could see Martin+Zubrus OR Langs (Unless he has a NTC [I don't remember]) for Horcoff+Prospects but only IF we had stronger defense. With Martin being our de facto #1 in front of Colin White and a mostly unimpressive 5 or 6 behind him, it'd be a hard loss, unless the "prospects" remind us of either defensive Scott from our past (From Edmonton, probably not).

Think about it. We need a better 1st line center. We lost Gomez and replaced him with Zubrus, a good center but better RW. Zubrus is good, perhaps really good, but Gomez was great when he actually PLAYED (Playoffs of last season, for a quick example).
Assuming Zub went with Martin, Horcoff would fill in Zubrus's spot on the first line Center.
Assuming we let Langenbrunner go with Martin, you could put Zubrus on the RW of either the 1st or 2nd line with Gionta taking the remaining RW spot. In theory, the first two lines would look something like this:
Elias-Horcoff-Gionta/Zubrus
Parise-Zajac-Zubrus/Gionta
And that list makes me very happy.

But for that to hypothetically work IMHO, both prospects should be defensemen and particularly good at that. Even then, though, Martin seems like the plug in our leaky defense, and I don't think two band-aids could hold it down.

So a trade of Paul Martin, without most of the variables, still seems like a bad idea to me. I just attempted to see how it could make ANY sense.

also Im assuming the D prospect would be a Smid, anything else to give up our "#1", which he is questionable at anyway would never hear a dial tone on lou's part

He has less than average hockey sense and has no real clue what to do with the puck when he has it.

He is simply not what he was billed to be and hasn't progressed as he should have.

He lead his team in scoring playing 2nd fiddle. I read the same crap from you a year ago in a "oshie vs Cogliano" thread. You have no clue what your talking about, sorry.

Your opinon on him is one thing but to say he hasn't progressed is beyond stupid.


2003-04 St. Michael's OPJHL 37 26 46 72
2005-06 U. of Michigan NCAA 39 12 16 28
2006-07 U. of Michigan NCAA 38 24 26 50

Isn't almost doubling your point outpoint called progression?

http://tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=279&hubname=nhl-devils

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Not too far fetched with the size increase we have been looking for.

Martin and Elias for Horcoff, Cogliano and Smid? LOL.

What exactly would be funny of that trade?

What exactly would be funny of that trade?

Is this a real question?

What exactly would be funny of that trade?

Trading Elias (the team captain and top offensive player) and Martin (arguably the team's top defenseman) for a player who has only scored 20 goals once (Horcoff), an unproven prospect (Cogliano) and a defenseman (Smid) with only one year in the NHL under his belt is not funny. It is ridiculous actually.

The reason why it is ridiculous and doesn't make sense from a Devils standpoint is because they are not gaining much age-wise and are giving away 2 proven talents for a proven under-achiever and 2 unproven players.

What exactly would be funny of that trade?

Not bad value at all in my opinion. But I see Gionta being involved instead of Elias. He does have that NTC. Not saying he wouldn't waive it to go to Edmoton, but he does have a girlfried who's a model and most models are based in NYC, plus to fly to Eastern Europe is much shorter from the East coast.

The thing about having either Elias or Gionta in that trade is that I think it will make our top 2 lines even thinner for the upcoming season. No offence to Horcoff but I don't think he is a top 6 forward player and IMO I think that the Devils need another top 6 forward instead of taking one away.

http://tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=279&hubname=nhl-devils

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Lou must like Shaq, he let him keep his #32.

Guess this means Steve Thomas doesn't make the rafters at The Rock.:D

http://tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=279&hubname=nhl-devils

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Finally, the first line center we have been waiting for...

Elias - Shaq - Gionta

Nice! In Lou we trust!!

Finally, the first line center we have been waiting for...

Elias - Shaq - Gionta

Nice! In Lou we trust!!

Honestly, that doesn't look too bad. Do you think Lou will take the "A" away from White and give it to Shaq this next season?

OMG! We are done!! I knew we had to give someone up for Shaq, but the season is over now!!

http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?name=Martin+Brodeur&hubname=nba-heat

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:walrus:

OMG! We are done!! I knew we had to give someone up for Shaq, but the season is over now!!

http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?name=Martin+Brodeur&hubname=nba-heat

I thought goaltending was illegal in basketball. :help: ;)

http://tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=279&hubname=nhl-devils (http://tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=279&hubname=nhl-devils)

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I was going to put GEorge Bush on the devils--but shaq works for me to make a point

At this point I think there is more of a chance Shaq is a Devil by opening day then Martin being dealt.

I see Martin have a career season with 40+ points, a plus 8 and continue to excel at forechecking.

As do I. I highly doubt that any more changes will be made to the team before the start of the season. It seams like, as usual, the intangibles of new jersey devils hockey will be one of the main reasons for their success.

http://tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=279&hubname=nhl-devils

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haha it must be a 3way which means the oilers r sending some players to the miami heat.

Martin was put back on the site

he's back on the roster.
training camp can't come soon enough. i hope clarkson makes the team out of camp.

Martin is not going anywhere, get over it already.