Parise and Martin in talks with Lou

http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/118421456132840.xml&coll=1

Both seem to be commanding $4 million per season. Seems alittle high right now for me when it comes to these two, but as long as they get signed.

http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/118421456132840.xml&coll=1

Both seem to be commanding $4 million per season. Seems alittle high right now for me when it comes to these two, but as long as they get signed.

Not steep at all for Parise IMO - considering the money Crosby just got... yes a bit high for Martin however. Depends on term of contract I guess. 2-3 years, that's high - longer, not so bad for budding talent.

Wow, $4M does seem a little high, though I wonder if the numbers are just speculation on Chere's part. Lou had just better get them locked up long-term.

I don't mind giving Parise 4 Million/year as stated in the article, however I have a big problem giving the same amount to Martin. I wouldn't go higher than 3 Million for Martin.

Chere also said that Souray to NJ was "imminent".

Wow, $4M does seem a little high, though I wonder if the numbers are just speculation on Chere's part. Lou had just better get them locked up long-term.

I'm thinking they are since Lou doesn't talk about anything, much less $$$.

That can't be true, dollar-wise I mean.......If that is true, the Devils would go right up against the cap again.

From the nhlscap site I figure the Devils starting roster is 39.8 right now not counting Parise nd Martin Dollars. If you have to pay them in the neighborhood of 8M this season you're right up to about 48M....Not a lot of wiggle room again.

Frankly I don't think lou will spend that much money on them. Compared to what Gionta is making vs the points he put up when he was contracted, I'm betting that Parise gets 3-3.5 mil with something like a 4-5 year contract and martin about 3 mil/yr for 2 years.

http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/118421456132840.xml&coll=1

Both seem to be commanding $4 million per season. Seems alittle high right now for me when it comes to these two, but as long as they get signed.

I would think 4M per for praise is decent

I would be shocked (and happy) if Parise signed for under $4M. He's just seen similar RFA's sign for $4M-$7M, I doubt he takes $3M. I'm sure he's asking for more than $4M.

I think Martin deserves between $3M-$3.75M. So, I think asking for $4M seems reasonable.

To be honest, $4M/year for each was about what I was anticipating. I'm more interested in the years.

I penciled in Parise at $4m, but was figuring about $3m for Martin. However, with Rafalski leaving it has become obvious that Martin is our #1 defenseman, and probably wants to be paid like one. Right now he's in the driver seat in the negotiations, knowing that the Devils really can't afford for him to accept an offer sheet somewhere else, since they'd be left without that potential #1 D-man.

If Lou signs Parise to a 4M$ contract it would be a nice bargain, knowing that Vanek hit the jackpot and Horton got around 4M$ also. There's just no way he's getting less the 4M$ I.M.O.

On the other hand, Martin is not worth 4M$. I like Martin alot but he's not 4M$ caliber unless he signs for 5 years or so. If it's a 2 year deal, Lou's overpaying according to me.

The thing is that Martin has the big peace of the bat in this whole situation. His agent knows that we are VERRRRRRRRRRRY thin when it comes to defensemens and that Martin is now are #1 d-men... by far. So we might have to overpay in order to keep him around.

Not steep at all for Parise IMO - considering the money Crosby just got... yes a bit high for Martin however. Depends on term of contract I guess. 2-3 years, that's high - longer, not so bad for budding talent.

I wouldn't compare Parise to Crosby...

Even if Parise makes 4 million IMO its still a bit pricey. Horton put up the exact same numbers on a much crappier team, and he's more physical. In a perfect world Parise would make between 3-3.5million but its not likely. Martin however hasn't earned a dime more than he was paid last season. That might be why he didn't elect to go to arbitration because they almost certainly wouldn't have given him 4 million.

So was it ever confirmed if Martin was given an offer sheet last year?

I'm always fearful of the Big Contract after only 1 good year....

Even if Parise makes 4 million IMO its still a bit pricey. Horton put up the exact same numbers on a much crappier team, and he's more physical. In a perfect world Parise would make between 3-3.5million but its not likely. Martin however hasn't earned a dime more than he was paid last season. That might be why he didn't elect to go to arbitration because they almost certainly wouldn't have given him 4 million.

Amen Brother!!!!
He hasn't proved he can be the #1 guy. and frankly i dont think he will. We have all been waiting, and waiting, and waiting forhim to break out...Just don't see it happening. he will be a good #2-3 D man. I think even 3 mil is steep until he can show he is worth more.

On the loyalty front which we are kind of overlooking from last year....Both he and Gionta played exhibition wthout contracts so lou could get a handle on last years cap. Could be something factored into negotiations from the Martin camp. he made @2.5 last year, so i would hope Lou can sign him for 2.75-3.25, and no more

Lock Parise up for 4mil...as far as Martin is concerned 4mil is way high. I like him but he's not a $4mil a year guy

What on earth has Paul Martin done to earn 4M a season? If anything he regressed last season. And don't tell me it's the market and how D-man are really expensive now, because a guy like Brad Stuart who's done a lot more with his career so far is only earning 3.5M and he was a UFA. Martin is an awesome player and I see him being worth over 4.5-5 million in the upcoming years but at this moment I just can't agree with 4M a year unless of course it's a long term contract.

What on earth has Paul Martin done to earn 4M a season? If anything he regressed last season. And don't tell me it's the market and how D-man are really expensive now, because a guy like Brad Stuart who's done a lot more with his career so far is only earning 3.5M and he was a UFA. Martin is an awesome player and I see him being worth over 4.5-5 million in the upcoming years but at this moment I just can't agree with 4M a year unless of course it's a long term contract.
It has to be a long term contract. Martin is UFA at the end of next season if it's not.

I would give Parise the same contract Horton got (6 years at 4 million per) so as to bypass some of his UFA years. Zach is worth overpaying for due to his clutch scoring, hard work, blossoming leadership qualities, and still untapped potential. As big of an Elias fan I am and as much as I respect Brodeur, after Brodeur retires, Zach is going to be the face of this franchise. He will never be the flashy superstar like a Gretzky or Mario or Pavel Bure, but he will be one of the tier 1A stars like Sakic or Yzerman for a very long time. Hopefully just like Sakic and Yzerman, he's with one team for his entire career. :teach:

What on earth has Paul Martin done to earn 4M a season? If anything he regressed last season. And don't tell me it's the market and how D-man are really expensive now, because a guy like Brad Stuart who's done a lot more with his career so far is only earning 3.5M and he was a UFA. Martin is an awesome player and I see him being worth over 4.5-5 million in the upcoming years but at this moment I just can't agree with 4M a year unless of course it's a long term contract.
Brad Stuart limited himself to California teams and took a one year deal because he's coming off two poor seasons. He wants to try to raise his value before he signs long term.

If you cherry pick Stuart, I'll do the same with Hamrlik.

i dont know if somebody already said this but, right now martin is our best defencemen, givving him $4mil wouldnt be too bad if you look at the other teams #1 d-man.

now if lou is going to be getting an actual #1d-man then its a diffrent story, i would give him around $3mil

what do you guys think he wold have got if he went to arbitration?

im not sure if he would have gotten $4mil.

i dont know if somebody already said this but, right now martin is our best defencemen, givving him $4mil wouldnt be too bad if you look at the other teams #1 d-man.

now if lou is going to be getting an actual #1d-man then its a diffrent story, i would give him around $3mil

what do you guys think he wold have got if he went to arbitration?

im not sure if he would have gotten $4mil.

So you're saying that Martin should get 4 million because we have to since he's our number 1 defenseman? I don't think so. To me our whole defense is consisted of #3 & #4 defensemen. I need to see a good season out of Martin before we give him $4 million (a la Gionta)

So you're saying that Martin should get 4 million because we have to since he's our number 1 defenseman? I don't think so. To me our whole defense is consisted of #3 & #4 defensemen. I need to see a good season out of Martin before we give him $4 million (a la Gionta)

im saying he is going to get the most play time

he will be on the pp and pk and all the key moments in teh game.

im saying if he is going to be getting #1d-man ice time than i wouldnt mind giveing him the extra mil

just my .02

if Lou can get Zach long term, i suspect it'll be a Nathan Horton-like contract. 6 years, starting at 3M, ending at 5.5M, averaging a cap hit of 4M. but give or take (probably give) .5M for Zach.

if it's a shorter term, like 2-3 yrs, then the cap hit will probably average lower, but it'll no doubt cost a lot to get him for another 2-3 years after that. so i'm betting Lou would love to get a 6yr deal inked.

for Paul, i'm guessing a Colin White type of deal, but probably trending like +.5M (so say a 3.5M cap hit) over the term, which i feel should be in the 4-5 year range.

just my .02

if Lou can get Zach long term, i suspect it'll be a Nathan Horton-like contract. 6 years, starting at 3M, ending at 5.5M, averaging a cap hit of 4M. but give or take (probably give) .5M for Zach.

if it's a shorter term, like 2-3 yrs, then the cap hit will probably average lower, but it'll no doubt cost a lot to get him for another 2-3 years after that. so i'm betting Lou would love to get a 6yr deal inked.

for Paul, i'm guessing a Colin White type of deal, but probably trending like +.5M (so say a 3.5M cap hit) over the term, which i feel should be in the 4-5 year range.:handclap:

Brad Stuart limited himself to California teams and took a one year deal because he's coming off two poor seasons. He wants to try to raise his value before he signs long term.

Fair enough.

i just hope Lou doesnt overvalue Martin and lock him up to a Ryan Whitney type deal. i think it would be a mistake to lock up Martin that long for that much. i agreed with another poster that said 2year $6 million neighborhood....Martin screams average right now, still alot to prove before going long term.

Parise no brainer longterm maybe 2.5, 3, 3.5, 3.75, 4.5, 4.5 6 year deal.

i just hope Lou doesnt overvalue Martin and lock him up to a Ryan Whitney type deal. i think it would be a mistake to lock up Martin that long for that much. i agreed with another poster that said 2year $6 million neighborhood....Martin screams average right now, still alot to prove before going long term.

How many defensemen out there compare favorably to someone who plays 25+ minutes, takes only 9 minor penalties all season, and plays against the opponents top lines on a regular basis? I'd love for lou to give Martin a 4 year deal averaging 3.5-3.9 mil per.

i just hope Lou doesnt overvalue Martin and lock him up to a Ryan Whitney type deal. i think it would be a mistake to lock up Martin that long for that much. i agreed with another poster that said 2year $6 million neighborhood....Martin screams average right now, still alot to prove before going long term.

Parise no brainer longterm maybe 2.5, 3, 3.5, 3.75, 4.5, 4.5 6 year deal.

hes goning to want more. he is going to be 28 when the contract is up and only making 4.5 the year before?

i mean that would be nice if he took that deal but lets be realistic, when he is 28 i would be happy if he is only making $6.5million

How many defensemen out there compare favorably to someone who plays 25+ minutes, takes only 9 minor penalties all season, and plays against the opponents top lines on a regular basis? I'd love for lou to give Martin a 4 year deal averaging 3.5-3.9 mil per.

I agree, and for those concerned over a "#3 or #4" d-man getting that much; I'd like to point out that Martin's average time on ice last season was second only to Brian Rafalski. He's a top pairing defenseman who plays top pairing minutes, he's worth the cash.

I agree, and for those concerned over a "#3 or #4" d-man getting that much; I'd like to point out that Martin's average time on ice last season was second only to Brian Rafalski. He's a top pairing defenseman who plays top pairing minutes, he's worth the cash.

thats what i said but some were disagreeing

Martin for 4m? Maybe 2.5. Parise definatley deserves 4m though.

nothing's too high for parise.. well maybe 10mil :)
i just hope he gets signed quick so i can start sleeping again