OT: New Jersey MEANS New Jersey

So I heard on the radio that this Live Earth thing in New York is going to be a big thing tomorrow. Except for one thing...it's in New Jersey. They've labeled it New York but I believe its in Giants Stadium. I heard today also that NJ senators are trying to push to make a bill where everything that takes place in NJ must be labeled so, because it makes the state look bad, and I agree. Just wanted to see your opinions, because factoring in if this gets passed, the NFL teams will technically need to be called the NJ Giants and NJ Jets.

Oh god I hope so, so all the ******* Jets and Giant fans I know can stop with the "NEW YORK ****IN' JETS MAN NEW JERSEYS A DUMP JETS JEEEE EEEH TEEE ESSSS MAN NEW YORK ****IN JETS" crap.

Your team plays in Jersey, nah-nah-nah-nah deal with it!

Yeah its ridiculous...I was also thinking this new stadium they're building (for the giants and jets) I would assume that some of the monetary burden will fall upon the taxpayers and so the question is which?

If the answer is NJ and solely NJ because that's where it's located, then each respective team should be renamed. IMO. We pay for it, then it's our ****ing team and our stadium

It might not be a bad idea for certain events, but I don't like the idea for sports teams. I don't want the Giants to be associated with NJ.

Dave Matthews Band concerts at the Tweeter Center in Camden are always labeled as Philly too.

I always thought that wasn't quite right. If you play in NJ then you should be the NJ "whatever".

The Rangers 3rd Jersey has the Statue of Liberty on it which is in the water considered NJ territory. That is a disgrace.

The Giants and Jets play in NJ and should be labeled NJ.

If you play in the state of NJ then you should have the NJ label.

Should have happened 31 years ago.

Better late than never I guess.

Anyone who voted "no" either needs their head examined or just loves kissing NY's rear end.

I was born in New Jersey and grew up in New Jersey as a Giants season ticket holder. I was an employee of the New York Giants writing for in-house publications and the website. Under no circumstances should the Giants have NJ associated with the name. The team's history in New York is so deep and so crucial to the formation and success of the NFL, any kind of change would be an insult to the league, the fans and the owners. I understand the Jersey frustration, but don't even think about touching the Giants.

Then the Giants should have built a stadium in... wait for it...New York. Same for the Jets. Millions and Millions of state money is being spent on a stadium owned by 2 NY teams. Does that seem normal?

Then the Giants should have built a stadium in... wait for it...New York. Same for the Jets. Millions and Millions of state money is being spent on a stadium owned by 2 NY teams. Does that seem normal?
Uh, the Giants and Jets put up the money for the new stadium.

personally, i dont want New Jersey associated with a sport as monumentally boring and overhyped as football.

Give me one example of how changing the name of team from New York to New Jersey would personally make your life better. Tell me how it wouldn't make the state look like a bigger joke.

I'm from New York, and a Giants fan to boot, so....

But I always thought people from Jersey get a little touchy about this kind of stuff. Somebody brought up the fact that its the NEW YORK Giants and Jets and that it should be NJ. This seems kind of silly. The Giants played in New York for 2/3 of its existence. There the NEW YORK Football Giants for crying out loud :) I can see being a bit miffed if I lived in Jersey, but you got to face the fact that New Jersey has little sports relevance except for its relation and proximity to the New York City DMA which we all share (I'm from Long Island).

New Jersey's politicians (at least the smart ones) love having the Gian ts and Jets at the Meadowlands because of all the revenue its brings into the state 16 weekends a year, regardless of the letters on the helmet.

On a side note, I think the two teams are paying outright for the new stadium with no tax support.

I thnk NJ gov't officials should let the State of NY purchase the Meadowlands Sports Complex.
This way, NJ would receive a HUGE cash sum, then we can let NY send their State Police to patrol at Jets and Giants games, none of our tax money will ever have to go to support the swamp, and we will never have to debate the NY name in front of the Jets/Giants/Red Bulls. The Nets are moving to Crooklyn too, so the Meadowlands could be called the NY Meadowlands.
It really is a disgrace if this concert is being billed as NY instead of NJ. It makes me hate NY teams even more, if that is possible.

Smart and NJ politicians don't belong in the same sentence.

The state has done its best to screw up the new stadium deal from the start. They want the benefit of having a new state-of-the-art stadium without any responsibility whatsoever. The Xanadu fiasco was/is a joke.

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FYI, the whole whiny attitude comes off as a major inferiority complex. Take the time to think about this issue and realize there are much more effective ways to express your state pride.

FYI, the whole whiny attitude comes off as a major inferiority complex. Take the time to think about this issue and realize there are much more effective ways to express your state pride.

Yeah. like buying Devils tickets.

I was born in New Jersey and grew up in New Jersey as a Giants season ticket holder. I was an employee of the New York Giants writing for in-house publications and the website. Under no circumstances should the Giants have NJ associated with the name. The team's history in New York is so deep and so crucial to the formation and success of the NFL, any kind of change would be an insult to the league, the fans and the owners. I understand the Jersey frustration, but don't even think about touching the Giants.

The Giants official website Team History page mentions the Giants played home games in 3 different states and 4 different stadiums in the 1970s.

The History of Stadiums Giants have played in link from that page makes no mention of East Rutherford, the Meadowlands, or New Jersey. Apparently no issue is taken with being associated with the State of Connecticut (when the Giants played home games at Yale).

Typical accurate New York historians or embarrassed sell out New Jerseyan.

Sounds like the would be insulted have the inferiority complex.

Dave Matthews Band concerts at the Tweeter Center in Camden are always labeled as Philly too.

That's because we don't want to be associated with Camden and gave it to Philly. :sarcasm:

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Glendale Coyotes
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Auburn Hills Pistons
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Kanata Senators?

The Giants official website Team History page mentions the Giants played home games in 3 different states and 4 different stadiums in the 1970s.

The History of Stadiums Giants have played in link from that page makes no mention of East Rutherford, the Meadowlands, or New Jersey. Apparently no issue is taken with being associated with the State of Connecticut (when the Giants played home games at Yale).

Typical accurate New York historians or embarrassed sell out New Jerseyan.

Sounds like the would be insulted have the inferiority complex.
Where do you think they played from 1925 until the 1970s?

It's a flagship NFL franchise with deep roots in New York. It's a New York team, get over it.

Give me one example of how changing the name of team from New York to New Jersey would personally make your life better. Tell me how it wouldn't make the state look like a bigger joke.

To me, I think they should just be called the Giants. No state affiliation. That way everyone is pissed on both sides.

But in all honesty, the thing that makes me mad is the lack of respect that NJ gets when they call something like Live-Aid a NY event. **** that, man. That's in NJ. If they want it in NY, have it at MSG. It's just disrespecting the people of New Jersey to call it something that it isn't.

That would be like Bruce Springsteen considering himself a New Yorker because it's a bigger stage.

Orchid Park Bills
Glendale Coyotes
Uniondale Islanders
Auburn Hills Pistons
Foxboro Patriots
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All of those cities are suburban extensions of their original team homes and remain within state/province lines.

To me, I think they should just be called the Giants. No state affiliation. That way everyone is pissed on both sides.

But in all honesty, the thing that makes me mad is the lack of respect that NJ gets when they call something like Live-Aid a NY event. **** that, man. That's in NJ. If they want it in NY, have it at MSG. It's just disrespecting the people of New Jersey to call it something that it isn't.

That would be like Bruce Springsteen considering himself a New Yorker because it's a bigger stage.
The real problem is the lack of festival concert space in the metro area. Giants Stadium sucks and Randall's Island really sucks. For a huge event like Live Earth/Aid/whatever it doesn't really bother me. It's a major city event and Giants Stadium is a few miles from one of the biggest cities in the world. When the goal is to raise money and awareness for a worldwide cause, using the NY name is going to attract more attention.

Think of it this way. The Giants are the only New York team to not throw a ticker tape parade for championship teams. They realize they are a metro area team and don't want to leave out the NJ fans, but they also believe in tradition and history and wouldn't tarnish that by changing the team name/location.

Where do you think they played from 1925 until the 1970s?

It's a flagship NFL franchise with deep roots in New York. It's a New York team, get over it.

So in 20 years half of the Giants history will have been played in New Jersey unless they move back before then.

Why is everybody so afraid of admitting that they left New York?

That seems to be what needs getting over.

The real problem is the lack of festival concert space in the metro area. Giants Stadium sucks and Randall's Island really sucks. For a huge event like Live Earth/Aid/whatever it doesn't really bother me. It's a major city event and Giants Stadium is a few miles from one of the biggest cities in the world. When the goal is to raise money and awareness for a worldwide cause, using the NY name is going to attract more attention.

Sorry, if it's a lack of space maybe the ****ing city should get off it's ass and build a space for them. Either that or pay us massive sums to put their stinking name onto OUR events.

Sorry, if it's a lack of space maybe the ****ing city should get off it's ass and build a space for them. Either that or pay us massive sums to put their stinking name onto OUR events.
It's a worldwide charity event. Who gives a ****?

And as far as I'm concerned, the people putting up the money for the event can call it whatever they want. If it's so offensive to you, don't buy a ticket.

It's a worldwide charity event. Who gives a ****?

And as far as I'm concerned, the people putting up the money for the event can call it whatever they want. If it's so offensive to you, don't buy a ticket.

Nice job avoiding what I said there, champ.

It's a worldwide charity event. Who gives a ****?

And as far as I'm concerned, the people putting up the money for the event can call it whatever they want. If it's so offensive to you, don't buy a ticket.

It's the only event in North America and New York had to snag the association, because nobody would have known which continent it was on if it had billed as being in New Jersey right?

Today is supposed to be about peace and this thread is bringing me none.

Glad to see Roger Waters playing in New Jersey tonight.

Enjoy live earth every one.

There's a stage in DC too. Great point.

Nice job avoiding what I said there, champ.
So your completely logical solution is have the city or state of New York pay New Jersey when a promoter chooses to advertise a Giants Stadium show as a New York show?

That's really worth exploring.

So your completely logical solution is have the city or state of New York pay New Jersey when a promoter chooses to advertise a Giants Stadium show as a New York show?

That's really worth exploring.

Did you only read a select part of my post there? I mean, give me a break. You keep dodging my main point.

If NYC wants their name on things, they can build a bigger stadium to house it. End of story.

Stop dodging what I'm saying when you just don't want to admit that your point is wrong.

Did you only read a select part of my post there? I mean, give me a break. You keep dodging my main point.

If NYC wants their name on things, they can build a bigger stadium to house it. End of story.

Stop dodging what I'm saying when you just don't want to admit that your point is wrong.
Except the city/state isn't the one promoting these concerts. What you're trying to say has absolutely 100% nothing to do with the issue at hand.

There's a stage in DC too. Great point.

I got confused I thought that DC was a part of the greater NYC metropolitan area with them paying half of Jagr's contract or whatever.

The Giants and Jets, I understand since they do have a history of playing in NY (and in the case of the Jets, a brief wish to play there again).

For the New York Red Bulls, however, they really should be NJ. Actually at one point it was the NY/NJ MetroStars. Then just MetroStars before NYRB. But the team hasn't been really good at all so not many care.

I agree that teams who play in NJ should have some reference to NJ in it; but if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen.

That says, the block R should remain for Rutgers - which is already the State University of NJ.

The Giants and Jets, I understand since they do have a history of playing in NY (and in the case of the Jets, a brief wish to play there again).

For the New York Red Bulls, however, they really should be NJ. Actually at one point it was the NY/NJ MetroStars. Then just MetroStars before NYRB. But the team hasn't been really good at all so not many care.

I agree that teams who play in NJ should have some reference to NJ in it; but if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen.

That says, the block R should remain for Rutgers - which is already the State University of NJ.
Yeah, the NY/NJ Metrostars thing pissed me off the most. Same with NY/NJ in the '94 World Cup.

Rutgers is fine unless they start saying that the block R stands for "Rhode Island."

Hey, darbosh, what's your problem with this law and concerts? Big ****ing deal if the promoters can't use "New York," or have to pay to use it. Like you said, there's nowhere else for them to go. Are you trying to say that these festivals will just pass over the NY area because of this law? What exactly are you trying to say?

Yeah, the NY/NJ Metrostars thing pissed me off the most. Same with NY/NJ in the '94 World Cup.

Rutgers is fine unless they start saying that the block R stands for "Rhode Island."

Hey, darbosh, what's your problem with this law and concerts? Big ****ing deal if the promoters can't use "New York," or have to pay to use it. Like you said, there's nowhere else for them to go. Are you trying to say that these festivals will just pass over the NY area because of this law? What exactly are you trying to say?
Regarding concerts, I really don't care one way or the other. My main problem is with the suggestion that the sports teams should change in any respect.

Regarding the MetroStars/Red Bulls, they're moving to a new stadium in Harrison next year. Should they still be "New York" then?

I got confused I thought that DC was a part of the greater NYC metropolitan area with them paying half of Jagr's contract or whatever.

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By the by, the NEW YORK Nets changed their name to the NEW JERSEY Nets when they moved to New Jersey. The right thing to do, regardless of history in another state.

It is not a sensitivity issue, as I live and work in New York.

I am a huge Jets fan and season ticket holder... and think they should be called the New Jersey Jets if they play in Jersey. It is another state, not an extension of New York. Plain and simple. And if the Jets move back to New York, call themselves New York at that point.

Could care less about the "New York Football Giants", as I hate them.

By the by, the NEW YORK Nets changed their name to the NEW JERSEY Nets when they moved to New Jersey. The right thing to do, regardless of history in another state.

It is not a sensitivity issue, as I live and work in New York.

I am a huge Jets fan and season ticket holder... and think they should be called the New Jersey Jets if they play in Jersey. It is another state, not an extension of New York. Plain and simple. And if the Jets move back to New York, call themselves New York at that point.

Could care less about the "New York Football Giants", as I hate them.
That's because the Jets history is a joke, along with their trashy fanbase.

By the by, the NEW YORK Nets changed their name to the NEW JERSEY Nets when they moved to New Jersey. The right thing to do, regardless of history in another state.

It is not a sensitivity issue, as I live and work in New York.

I am a huge Jets fan and season ticket holder... and think they should be called the New Jersey Jets if they play in Jersey. It is another state, not an extension of New York. Plain and simple. And if the Jets move back to New York, call themselves New York at that point.

Could care less about the "New York Football Giants", as I hate them.

It is also because the Nets started in New Jersey and moved to New York after 1 or 2 seasons. Then back to NJ when the Meadowlands was completed.

It is also because the Nets started in New Jersey and moved to New York after 1 or 2 seasons. Then back to NJ when the Meadowlands was completed.

Aren't they moving back to New York now? So they will changing the name back to the New York Nets?

That's because the Jets history is a joke, along with their trashy fanbase.
Glad to see that you're continuing to add valuable substance to the discussion.

Aren't they moving back to New York now? So they will changing the name back to the New York Nets?

Perhaps moving - the deal isn't final yet to build the arena in Brooklyn.. they're trying to eminent domain a 'blighted' neighborhood that has some of the highest property value in Brooklyn and has been resurging... it's shady dealing with the city giving billionaires cut-rate real estate while the rest of us slobs pay exorbitant amounts -- double, even triple what it was ten years ago -- for simple basic property..

But they'd be Brooklyn Nets... not NY Nets.

I'm from New York, and a Giants fan to boot, so....

But I always thought people from Jersey get a little touchy about this kind of stuff. Somebody brought up the fact that its the NEW YORK Giants and Jets and that it should be NJ. This seems kind of silly. The Giants played in New York for 2/3 of its existence. There the NEW YORK Football Giants for crying out loud :) I can see being a bit miffed if I lived in Jersey, but you got to face the fact that New Jersey has little sports relevance except for its relation and proximity to the New York City DMA which we all share (I'm from Long Island).

New Jersey's politicians (at least the smart ones) love having the Gian ts and Jets at the Meadowlands because of all the revenue its brings into the state 16 weekends a year, regardless of the letters on the helmet.

On a side note, I think the two teams are paying outright for the new stadium with no tax support.

Okey-dokey so when the Baltimore Colts up and moved to Indianapolis in the middle of the night they should've continued to have been called the "Baltimore" Colts. Righty-o.

800 miles vs. 8 miles - you make the call :shakehead

I think its silly to tie civic pride into sports teams. New Jersey is a beautiful state, but for the purposes of media broadcasting (and by extension, sports) its a suburb of New York in the north and Philly in the South.

I root for the Devils (and always will) because I could watch them on TV. Period.

That says, the block R should remain for Rutgers - which is already the State University of NJ.

I'll step in here really quickly. The block R is a trademarked symbol, that specific R. Not all R's, we didn't go Paris Hilton and try to copyright the letter R.

I don't really understand this sentence fully so hopefully I got it right there. If not could you elaborate more?

All NY sports teams playing in NJ should be the "NY whatevers of NJ". Problem solved. :)

All events in NJ should mention New Jersey. We deserve representation on the world stage. We deserve equal respect from the Metro-area media.

NYC isn't the center of the ****ing universe.

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Glad to see the Live Earth performers and Al G. give props to New Jersey and New York onstage. They got it. They knew where they were. A big Thanks for the shout out to Trenton from Roger.

NYC isn't the center of the ****ing universe.

Um, kinda is. ;)

Um, kinda is. ;)

May your beliefs serve you more than you serve your beliefs.

I'll step in here really quickly. The block R is a trademarked symbol, that specific R. Not all R's, we didn't go Paris Hilton and try to copyright the letter R.

I don't really understand this sentence fully so hopefully I got it right there. If not could you elaborate more?

Oh, there was some talk on campus on putting a NJ inside the R, the thought being no one looks at the name Rutgers and thinks "Ah, that is the State University of New Jersey" or even "That is school is in NJ." I don't think it'll change - the block R is a lot better looking than the older Rutgers logos.

I was born in New Jersey and grew up in New Jersey as a Giants season ticket holder. I was an employee of the New York Giants writing for in-house publications and the website. Under no circumstances should the Giants have NJ associated with the name. The team's history in New York is so deep and so crucial to the formation and success of the NFL, any kind of change would be an insult to the league, the fans and the owners. I understand the Jersey frustration, but don't even think about touching the Giants.

Thank you.

The New York Giants & New York Jets are New York City based teams that just so happen to play their home games in New Jersey. Period.

The Mara & Tisch families along with Woody Johnson in no way, shape or form want to drop NY from their names and as owners, they have the right to keep it whether anyone likes it or not.

In the late 1960's/early 1970's when the Meadowlands/Giants Stadium was in the early planning stages, the goal was to lure the New York Giants to a new home becauase they were being bounced around from Yankee Stadium to the Yale Bowl in New Haven. In no way, shape or form did the plan include giving up the New York name. Everybody knew this, especially NJ politicians who promoted the creation of the Meadowlands in the first place. It wasn't an issue for many back then.

If New Jersey wants their own NFL team, they should put in a bid for an expansion franchise or move an existing team.

The Meadowlands/Brendan Byrne Arena was originally built for the sole purpose of luring the New York Knicks & NYR to New Jersey as they were in a dispute over the remodeling of MSG and were thereatening to move. They would have kept the NY name if they moved here and rightfully so.

If NJ wanted their own hockey and basketball teams, they would have lured exisiting teams to the state, which is exactly what they did. And no, the Nets started out playing in the Teaneck Armory in NJ before they moved to Long Island, so yes, they are originally a NJ team.

This is such a silly, non-issue that never seems to go away. :shakehead

All of those cities are suburban extensions of their original team homes and remain within state/province lines.

Landover, Maryland Redskins.

Thank you.

The New York Giants & New York Jets are New York City based teams that just so happen to play their home games in New Jersey. Period.

The Mara & Tisch families along with Woody Johnson in no way, shape or form want to drop NY from their names and as owners, they have the right to keep it whether anyone likes it or not.

In the late 1960's/early 1970's when the Meadowlands/Giants Stadium was in the early planning stages, the goal was to lure the New York Giants to a new home becauase they were being bounced around from Yankee Stadium to the Yale Bowl in New Haven. In no way, shape or form did the plan include giving up the New York name. Everybody knew this, especially NJ politicians who promoted the creation of the Meadowlands in the first place. It wasn't an issue for many back then.

If New Jersey wants their own NFL team, they should put in a bid for an expansion franchise or move an existing team.

The Meadowlands/Brendan Byrne Arena was originally built for the sole purpose of luring the New York Knicks & NYR to New Jersey as they were in a dispute over the remodeling of MSG and were thereatening to move. They would have kept the NY name if they moved here and rightfully so.

If NJ wanted their own hockey and basketball teams, they would have lured exisiting teams to the state, which is exactly what they did. And no, the Nets started out playing in the Teaneck Armory in NJ before they moved to Long Island, so yes, they are originally a NJ team.

This is such a silly, non-issue that never seems to go away. :shakehead
That's fine, I concede the Giants and Jets...but what about festivals/big sporting events at the Meadowlands (which have nothing to do with the NFL) being labeled as "New York?" That's the issue.

That's fine, I concede the Giants and Jets...but what about festivals/big sporting events at the Meadowlands (which have nothing to do with the NFL) being labeled as "New York?" That's the issue.

Think about the whole picture. New York City is important not for just the United States, but for the world. Along with London, Hong Kong & Tokyo, is one of the financial capitals of the world. This importance is also what gives New Yorkers their pompousness & arrogance, but that's another story. ;) New York, especially Manahttan is well, New York...not Dubuque, Iowa. New York carries more sway for advertising dollars, promotion, publicity, for such an event that plays on the world stage as opposed to the local stage. Isn't that what this concert was all about?

Besides, almost everybody in North America and the rest of the world know the Meadowlands/Giants Stadium are in New Jeresy, and that the Giants and Jets are New York City teams that play there.

Think about the whole picture. New York City is important not for just the United States, but for the world. Along with London, Hong Kong & Tokyo, is one of the financial capitals of the world. This importance is also what gives New Yorkers their pompousness & arrogance, but that's another story. ;) New York, especially Manahttan is well, New York...not Dubuque, Iowa. New York carries more sway for advertising dollars, promotion, publicity, for such an event that plays on the world stage as opposed to the local stage. Isn't that what this concert was all about?

Besides, almost everybody in North America and the rest of the world know the Meadowlands/Giants Stadium are in New Jeresy, and that the Giants and Jets are New York City teams that play there.

I don't know why they cant simply say: "The NY Live Earth Event here in NJ."

Oh, there was some talk on campus on putting a NJ inside the R, the thought being no one looks at the name Rutgers and thinks "Ah, that is the State University of New Jersey" or even "That is school is in NJ." I don't think it'll change - the block R is a lot better looking than the older Rutgers logos.

Nah. They recently changed the look of the logo. It's kind of round and the R looks different. That's because Schiano has been trying to make the block R a symbol for Rutgers athletics. They won't change it, but it won't be the number 1 symbol for school as far as I know.

800 miles vs. 8 miles - you make the call :shakehead

I think its silly to tie civic pride into sports teams. New Jersey is a beautiful state, but for the purposes of media broadcasting (and by extension, sports) its a suburb of New York in the north and Philly in the South.

I root for the Devils (and always will) because I could watch them on TV. Period.


If those 8 miles means it crossed a state line, like it did here, than it absolutely does matter. :shakehead It's not like they moved from Manhattan to Queens.

if it's in NJ, the team should be NJ. simple.

May your beliefs serve you more than you serve your beliefs.

should have used the :sarcasm:

Besides, almost everybody in North America and the rest of the world know the Meadowlands/Giants Stadium are in New Jeresy, and that the Giants and Jets are New York City teams that play there.

Erh, if anyone in the rest of the world actually knows that Meadowlands/Giants Stadium is in New Jersey, which I doubt, they also know that New Jersey is a suburb of NYC.

And I'd say that most people in the rest of the world thinks that New Jersey is a town, more or less part of NYC.

Newark is well known as one of NYC's main airports, the fact that it's actually the capital of NJ is totally unknown (which is natural, how can a small suburb (New Jersey) have a capital?).

I can well understand, and even support, the anger and frustration, but life in the shadow of NYC, possibly one of the most well known cities/metropolitan areas on the planet, has it's effects.

Landover, Maryland Redskins.

Bad example. There are no competing sports teams in PG County Maryland vs DC teams like there are here in NJ vs NY. I lived down there for a few years, PG County Maryland borders DC, there is no river that separates it either.

Erh, if anyone in the rest of the world actually knows that Meadowlands/Giants Stadium is in New Jersey, which I doubt, they also know that New Jersey is a suburb of NYC.

And I'd say that most people in the rest of the world thinks that New Jersey is a town, more or less part of NYC.

Newark is well known as one of NYC's main airports, the fact that it's actually the capital of NJ is totally unknown (which is natural, how can a small suburb (New Jersey) have a capital?).

I can well understand, and even support, the anger and frustration, but life in the shadow of NYC, possibly one of the most well known cities/metropolitan areas on the planet, has it's effects.
Newark isn't actually the capital of NJ, Trenton is. But I don't expect most people to know that, I probably wouldn't know that if I wasn't from Jersey.

Newark isn't actually the capital of NJ, Trenton is. But I don't expect most people to know that, I probably wouldn't know that if I wasn't from Jersey.And our ECHL farm team is Trenton and I hope Im not the only one who will be there.

I have to admit, either I am drinking too much or the wording of the poll is confusing, but I voted wrong. I voted for NY, not NJ.

It is absurd that an event in NJ says "New York, NY" on a worldwide stage. How is this possible? The event is NOT taking place in NY, NY.

And this may come as a complete shock to some of you, but many people outside the U.S. actually know where NJ is.

Brand is important. If NJ wants to be known as NY's backyard, and have all the Newark airport jokes made, I guess it is ok to have the concert claim that it is NY. But if NJ wants its own identity, it should make that known that the concert was in NJ.

People who say it is unimportant are the ones with the inferiority complex.

Bad example. There are no competing sports teams in PG County Maryland vs DC teams like there are here in NJ vs NY. I lived down there for a few years, PG County Maryland borders DC, there is no river that separates it either.

Actually, it's a good example in response to this previous comment:

All of those cities are suburban extensions of their original team homes and remain within state/province lines.

Besides, I don't think they should be called the Landover Redskins in the first place. They are a Washington D.C. team that happens to play their home games in Landover, Maryland. Just like the New York Giants & New York Jets who are New York City teams that play their home games in the state of New Jersey. As I've said before, if New Jersey wants their own NFL team, they should apply for an expansion franchise or move an existing team here.

Mutt- if you are talking about a team like the Giants or Jets that moves from NY to NJ, that is one thing, and I agree with you.

But let's look at the facts here. The Jets play in that stadium and so do the Giants. But the NEW JERSEY Devils and the NEW JERSEY Nets also play there.

On an international stage, that should not be going out to the world as a concert from NYC. If NYC was able to pull together a stadium, then they could have that right. Otherwise, they should at a minimum, call it NY/NJ. Or NJ/NY.

Otherwise its like NJ doesn't even exist.

Mutt- if you are talking about a team like the Giants or Jets that moves from NY to NJ, that is one thing, and I agree with you.

But let's look at the facts here. The Jets play in that stadium and so do the Giants. But the NEW JERSEY Devils and the NEW JERSEY Nets also play there.

On an international stage, that should not be going out to the world as a concert from NYC. If NYC was able to pull together a stadium, then they could have that right. Otherwise, they should at a minimum, call it NY/NJ. Or NJ/NY.

Otherwise its like NJ doesn't even exist.

O.K. fine.

Put it this way: It was a New York planned, New York based & New York promoted concert that just so happened to have taken place for a few hours in New Jersey.

Live Earth is a sham. Good concert... terrible cause.

It doesn't matter who organized it. It took place in NJ, and that should be stated.

Maryland and Virginia donated the land that is Washington DC, not such a big deal to give DC some more land for a stadium or arena. I'd rather see the Redskins change their team name than their city name.

And NYC, NJ works for me.

I'm sure the Lenni Lenape would approve.

Live Earth is a sham. ... terrible cause.

New Jersey's Governor, legislators, and business leaders disagree: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/07/nj_signs_on_to_curb_greenhouse.html

It doesn't matter who organized it. It took place in NJ, and that should be stated.

New York City comedians and waste management have no problems recognizing and acknowledging NJ. Concert promoters and sports teams owners could learn something from them.

Meh, someone sounds jealous of NY. Was this jealousy the reason you tried to steal the statue of liberty from us?:sarcasm:

There are x millions of people in New York City/Long Island. As far as the jets and giants are concerned, from a marketing standpoint, it makes sense to call it New york simply because more people live in New York. All you people do by complaining about it is get these events moved out of your state. Not really sure why you'd want that.

New Jersey's Governor, legislators, and business leaders disagree: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...reenhouse.html

New York City comedians and waste management have no problems recognizing and acknowledging NJ. Concert promoters and sports teams owners could learn something from them.

1. Corzine is an idiot, as are most of our politicians.
2. Live Earth, like any huge concert event is bad for the environment in that it produces tons of waste (which fills our landfills) and burns tons of fuel. And for what? Nothing!

Meh, someone sounds jealous of NY. Was this jealousy the reason you tried to steal the statue of liberty from us?:sarcasm:

There are x millions of people in New York City/Long Island. As far as the jets and giants are concerned, from a marketing standpoint, it makes sense to call it New york simply because more people live in New York. All you people do by complaining about it is get these events moved out of your state. Not really sure why you'd want that.

We didn't steal the Statue, she already belonged to us.

2. Live Earth, like any huge concert event is bad for the environment in that it produces tons of waste (which fills our landfills) and burns tons of fuel. And for what? Nothing!
DevFan...c'mon give me a break, do you honestly think that?

There was some sort of concert?:sarcasm:

Live Aid cured world hunger, so say goodbye to global warming. Our work here is done.

Meh, someone sounds jealous of NY. Was this jealousy the reason you tried to steal the statue of liberty from us?:sarcasm:

There are x millions of people in New York City/Long Island. As far as the jets and giants are concerned, from a marketing standpoint, it makes sense to call it New york simply because more people live in New York. All you people do by complaining about it is get these events moved out of your state. Not really sure why you'd want that.

There are x millions of people in New Jersey....

The same argument will exist years from now when what once was New York City is renamed New Beijing and New Jersey becomes New Hebei. The New Beijing Giants will play in New Hebei, New China to the disdain of the New Hebeians.

If I was from NJ I'd be glad that sham of an event wasn't associated with my state.

There was some sort of concert?:sarcasm:

Live Aid cured world hunger, so say goodbye to global warming. Our work here is done.

You left out Live 8, which solved every problem in Africa ever and forever.

Meh, someone sounds jealous of NY. Was this jealousy the reason you tried to steal the statue of liberty from us?:sarcasm:

There are x millions of people in New York City/Long Island. As far as the jets and giants are concerned, from a marketing standpoint, it makes sense to call it New york simply because more people live in New York. All you people do by complaining about it is get these events moved out of your state. Not really sure why you'd want that.

Hey Sean, don't try to lump in Long Island with NYC. North Jersey is much closer to Manhattan too.
And, lay off the roids Sean!

Hey Sean, don't try to lump in Long Island with NYC. North Jersey is much closer to Manhattan too.
And, lay off the roids Sean!

lol, so true. Much of Northern NJ is closer to almost all of the important cultural institutions & tourist attractions that are all primarily located in Manhattan. Much of Central & Eastern Nassau County & the rest of Long Island are very far away from Manhattan when compared to a large portion of North Jersey.

Orchid Park Bills
Glendale Coyotes
Uniondale Islanders
Auburn Hills Pistons
Foxboro Patriots
:sarcasm:

Some more:

Landover Redskins
Irving Cowboys


Can't think of any others at the moment.

Some more:

Landover Redskins
Irving Cowboys


Can't think of any others at the moment.

I help you out.

Newark Devils

...formerly the East Rutherford Devils.

I help you out.

Newark Devils

...formerly the East Rutherford Devils.

Umm, both of which are in New Jersey.


Last I checked, Landover, MD is not in Washington, DC and Irving, TX is not in Dallas, TX.

Umm, both of which are in New Jersey.


Last I checked, Landover, MD is not in Washington, DC and Irving, TX is not in Dallas, TX.

The Devils aren't in the NFL either and the sun is yellow.

Landover is a little late to the party as Muttley beat you to it.

Irving falls under "suburban extension of city that does not cross state/province lines".

If you read the entire thread you would be up to speed.

The Devils aren't in the NFL either and the sun is yellow.

Landover is a little late to the party as Muttley beat you to it.

Irving falls under "suburban extension of city that does not cross state/province lines".

If you read the entire thread you would be up to speed.

Guess you missed the point of mine and "Marty's Better"'s & Muttley's, who I apparently missed, posts; the name game is stupid. You could go through every league and find a boatload of teams that don't play in the city or state they're named for, and nobody cares.

The complaining that Live Aid or the Jets and Giants not using New Jersey is just incessant whining. The tax money goes to Jersey now and it still will when they build the new stadium - with no money coming out of our pockets. Sounds like a sweet deal to me as an NJ taxpayer.

When it comes down to it, do you really expect the NFL or anyone else to copy MLS or the XFL and name their team NY/NJ?