TaiMaiShu
07-06-2007, 11:41 AM
http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=212929&hubname=nhl
7 yrs 50 mill :amazed: Does Buffalo Match?
7 yrs 50 mill :amazed: Does Buffalo Match?
Oilers sign Vanek to Offer Sheet, Sabres MatchTaiMaiShu 07-06-2007, 11:41 AM http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=212929&hubname=nhl 7 yrs 50 mill :amazed: Does Buffalo Match? Central Jersey Devil 07-06-2007, 11:42 AM Vanek to the Oil...$50 mill seven years per TSN.ca midg14* 07-06-2007, 11:43 AM Good. I hate them. TaiMaiShu 07-06-2007, 11:44 AM Beatcha by a minute! Central Jersey Devil 07-06-2007, 11:45 AM Beatcha by a minute! SOB!;) tmg 07-06-2007, 11:47 AM I'm now very worried about Parise. If Buffalo does match this, is anything stopping Lowe from pitching the same sort of offer at Parise? Devils9789 07-06-2007, 11:47 AM they have to or else theyre ****ed devsfan8 07-06-2007, 11:48 AM An absolutely absurd contract for a young player who has had one great season. This is madness. I understand the Oil have the Cap space and have yet to make a big splash but they are going to invest $7 mill a year and give up 4 FIRST ROUND PICKS for him? What is sad is that Buffalo will not match this offer. Whats funny is Eklund reports the Oilers were interested in offering Parise an offer sheet. I am now worried that someone will after this. This could hold up us signing Souray and getting Parise locked up quickly before we are forced to match a big offer. Richer's Ghost 07-06-2007, 11:50 AM An absolutely absurd contract for a young player who has had one great season. This is madness. I understand the Oil have the Cap space and have yet to make a big splash but they are going to invest $7 mill a year and give up 4 FIRST ROUND PICKS for him? What is sad is that Buffalo will not match this offer. :GULP: Hey Devsfan8 when/where did Gome$ say that quote in your signature? You should cite it to make it even more dramatic ;) Devilsfanatic 07-06-2007, 11:53 AM Get Parise's name on a contract NOW, don't waste time, just call him say, Zach, 6 years 24 million here you go, lets go play hockey. Mose Schrute 07-06-2007, 11:53 AM Who knows how many offer sheets Edmonton offered to players (including Parise), only that Vanek was the first to sign one/not tuen it down. 50mill is hard to turn down and they're obviously willing to give up the picks....and good ones they may be in the next couple years. Tough decision for Buffalo. Devils9789 07-06-2007, 11:55 AM An absolutely absurd contract for a young player who has had one great season. This is madness. I understand the Oil have the Cap space and have yet to make a big splash but they are going to invest $7 mill a year and give up 4 FIRST ROUND PICKS for him? What is sad is that Buffalo will not match this offer. Whats funny is Eklund reports the Oilers were interested in offering Parise an offer sheet. I am now worried that someone will after this. This could hold up us signing Souray and getting Parise locked up quickly before we are forced to match a big offer. THIS IS SPARTA! :rant: sorry i coulnt resist. Ricoche 07-06-2007, 11:56 AM Oh boy.. I hope buffalo doesn't match ... that way oilers don't have to turn to someone else such as parise .. devs are in trouble otherwise devsfan8 07-06-2007, 11:56 AM :GULP: Hey Devsfan8 when/where did Gome$ say that quote in your signature? You should cite it to make it even more dramatic ;) He said it after a game to Fishler. I cannot remember word for word what he said, but he definitely said he has to much respect for the organization that if things did not work out he would never sign with a rival like Philly or the Rangers. I Hate Tie DOMI 07-06-2007, 11:57 AM If Edmonton signs Martin to something like this, I'd say thanks for the four 1st round picks, but if it's Parise I'd rather have him at this point. Lou you better sign him and quick!!! As long as Buffalo doesn't announce they match will match it, Parise is safe since Edmonton must have there original picks to make an offer sheet and right now they are in limbo with Vanek. devsfan8 07-06-2007, 11:58 AM If we do not lock up Parise soon (as in TOP PRIORITY) then we could be the team falling apart. Devils9789 07-06-2007, 12:02 PM lowe is a jerk lol seriously is he that desperate to put out offer sheets? offer sheets = weakness edit: bad news: from ek SOURCES tell me Parise and Ryder are next. Drewr15 07-06-2007, 12:11 PM THIS IS SPARTA! :rant: sorry i coulnt resist. That was great! I feel bad for the Sabres. At this point do they just take the picks and completely rebuild or since they should have some more cap space, bite the bullet and keep the kid. They almost might have to so their fans don't wig out. Brooklyndevil 07-06-2007, 12:12 PM Lou, get Parise signed before a another nut comes along. What happened to my NHL. Geez, you can't even keep your kids anymore. ZZ Pops 07-06-2007, 12:12 PM Today is Panic Friday, it seems. Classic Devil 07-06-2007, 12:13 PM Lou, get Parise signed before a another nut comes along. What happened to my NHL. Geez, you can't even keep your kids anymore. If someone does come after Parise and offers him this sort of ridiculious contract, I sob, I cry, I mourn, and I let him go and take the four first rounders. Then, in 2009 when the team in question wins the lottery, I draft Tavares and laugh all the way to the bank. GentlemanOfLeisure 07-06-2007, 12:14 PM lowe is a jerk lol seriously is he that desperate to put out offer sheets? offer sheets = weakness edit: bad news: from ek SOURCES tell me Parise and Ryder are next. All Buffalo has to do is tell EDM they'll match the offer unless EDM throws in Bobby Schremp or Sam Gagner. What will EDM do? Say no? BUffalo has all the power. Nobody's worth 4 1st round picks but Crosby. ClaudeLemieux4HOF 07-06-2007, 12:16 PM no way buffalo matches that 1. vanek is not a 7 mil player right now 2. 4 first round draft picks for vanek? thats crazy, 4 first round picks for anyone not named crosby or brodeur is nuts JR#9* 07-06-2007, 12:17 PM Lou, get Parise signed before a another nut comes along. What happened to my NHL. Geez, you can't even keep your kids anymore. That's what happens when you install a hard cap, the only way players agree to it is for more freedom and now more than ever players have a choice as to where they want to play at a much earlier age and that means bad news for the less popular hockey cities as nobody wants to sign with them unless they get vastly overpaid as we just saw with the Oilers. Lowe had a ton of cap room but no top end UFA's want to play in Edm so he is forced to go another route to get a star player and we end up with RFA's getting poached from other teams. fortheloveof666 07-06-2007, 12:17 PM Vanek is awesome, but over 7 million a season for a 2nd year guy is an awful lot. IMO I don't see Buffalo matching it, and if someone offered Parise the same thing...I agree with Classic Devil. ClaudeLemieux4HOF 07-06-2007, 12:19 PM by the way isnt this why we started a cap, so teams cant throw money at players like this? way to handcuff ur financial freedom but you cant help but laugh that edm was one of the teams complaining they cant compete financially in the nhl not too long ago and now we have 1 small market team screwing over another fortheloveof666 07-06-2007, 12:20 PM Also, I know this has instilled some fear in a few of you about Parise. But honestly...I don't think he's a greedy player, and I truly think he buys into this team so he probably turned down Edmonton's offer already. I don't see it being about the money with him, honestly. I could obviously be wrong, but that's just my take on the kid. TaiMaiShu 07-06-2007, 12:26 PM As loyal as we think Parise is, no one would turn down that kind of money. Lou better be working on something right now. jkrdevil 07-06-2007, 12:29 PM If I'm Buffalo I have to take the picks. Edmonton is probably going to be a bad team (Vanek isn't going to make much difference) this season and possibly next season. Take the picks and probably get a high pick this year and possible in 2 year have a better shot at getting Tavaras. Plus if Buffalo takes the picks Edmonton then can't go after Parise because they won't have the compensation. Also if Buffalo matches this is going to completely screw with arbitration so Lou better get Parise locked up long term. Devilsfanatic 07-06-2007, 12:30 PM Vanek, Pitkanen, Hemsky is a solid, solid foundation. Mose Schrute 07-06-2007, 12:30 PM they matched, per news conference. devildan 07-06-2007, 12:37 PM Oh ****. "Sabres Match Offer Sheet for Vanek...All Strategy with Oilers. SOURCES tell me Parise, Ryder, and Stepniak are next." -- Ecklund Devils9789 07-06-2007, 12:39 PM uh oh i guess you knows whos next and question, can a team re-up the offer or they just get one try? Classic Devil 07-06-2007, 12:40 PM Oh ****. "Sabres Match Offer Sheet for Vanek...All Strategy with Oilers. SOURCES tell me Parise, Ryder, and Stepniak are next." -- Ecklund Lowe has lost his mind. Classic Devil 07-06-2007, 12:41 PM uh oh i guess you knows whos next and question, can a team re-up the offer or they just get one try? Vanek is now signed by Buffalo for seven years because they matched. There's no second chance or negotiating. DEVILS ALL THE WAY 07-06-2007, 12:42 PM Lou, please sign Parise.... RIGHT THE **** NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW !!!!! Devilsfanatic 07-06-2007, 12:43 PM Seriously, Parise is not going to make the Oilers a contender, they could be lottery players again and the Devils would have a top 5 pick in a deep draft, never know when we will draft the next Niedermayer. fortheloveof666 07-06-2007, 12:43 PM Lowe is playing dirty...I think he did it to bloat the market so he can bottom feed on the RFA's that get too much money from arbitration. That's my take at least, because it's not as if he doesn't have the cap space right now. Elias to Parise 07-06-2007, 12:44 PM somehow I just dont feel bad for their fans..I wonder why? Ricoche 07-06-2007, 12:45 PM this week has been hell and its going to get worse... i'm dreading any NJD announcement now Elias to Parise 07-06-2007, 12:48 PM Not worried about Parise..not at all. AfroThunder396 07-06-2007, 12:48 PM Lou, you need to sign Parise RIGHT NOW Classic Devil 07-06-2007, 12:49 PM Seriously, Parise is not going to make the Oilers a contender, they could be lottery players again and the Devils would have a top 5 pick in a deep draft, never know when we will draft the next Niedermayer. I feel much the same. I love Parise, but those four first round picks could well give us shots at drafting like we did in the late 80's-early 90's with Scott Niedermayer and Brendan Shanahan and others. We haven't had top-10 draft picks in a long time. It would be nice for a change. Still, I'd rather Lou just sign Parise so we don't have to make that decision. Ricoche 07-06-2007, 12:51 PM somehow I just dont feel bad for their fans..I wonder why? Even though I am a devils fan, I do have to give credit where its deserved.. the oilers have great fans and they definitely deserve a good team year in and year out management f#$% everything up for them DevilFisch 07-06-2007, 12:53 PM Or an early first round pick could lead to the next Lance Ward. The Devils DO NOT tank. They didn't tank for Mario back in 1984, they made moves to move up in 1992 and 2003 and down in 1990 (I believe they moved down for Brodeur). I am ashamed to read that some would take 4 first round picks for Zach Parise. First round selections don't win games or Stanley Cups; players do. Proven players do that. Guys who can score 40+ goals at a young age are rare; just as much as guys who increase their production close to double of their second season. Those are guys you keep. I hope Buffalo keeps Vanek, the Devils keep Parise, and Edmonton gets jack squat. Which is what will likely happen anyway. Ricoche 07-06-2007, 12:53 PM I feel much the same. I love Parise, but those four first round picks could well give us shots at drafting like we did in the late 80's-early 90's with Scott Niedermayer and Brendan Shanahan and others. We haven't had top-10 draft picks in a long time. It would be nice for a change. Still, I'd rather Lou just sign Parise so we don't have to make that decision. parise is the next great player.. keep him and we're doing just fine with the draft .. we are taking a beating in the free agency market this year or it seems.. TB Sheets 07-06-2007, 12:53 PM I feel much the same. I love Parise, but those four first round picks could well give us shots at drafting like we did in the late 80's-early 90's with Scott Niedermayer and Brendan Shanahan and others. We haven't had top-10 draft picks in a long time. It would be nice for a change. Still, I'd rather Lou just sign Parise so we don't have to make that decision. I agree. But if EDM wants to offer up 4 first round picks for signing Parise, I say take 'em and bye-bye Zach. EDM isn't getting any better and those picks may be pretty decent picks. You could stock up a team for years to come between trading those picks away, using them and using your own. DEVILS ALL THE WAY 07-06-2007, 12:54 PM I feel much the same. I love Parise, but those four first round picks could well give us shots at drafting like we did in the late 80's-early 90's with Scott Niedermayer and Brendan Shanahan and others. We haven't had top-10 draft picks in a long time. It would be nice for a change. Still, I'd rather Lou just sign Parise so we don't have to make that decision. If I had to pick between Parise, who is a shire commodity and 4 first round picks, that might turn out ok.... I'm taking Parise. It's a no brainer wingmanpei 07-06-2007, 12:54 PM On one hand if I was Buffalo I would have taken the 4 draft picks, but I also think that perhaps they felt like they had to match that offer. Vanek did get 80+ points last year but that was playing on a team with Briere and Drury, I think it will be tough for him to put up those kinds of numbers without them. I don't think he is worth that kind of money and is really to going to tie Buffalo's hands if they want to go out and acquire free agents, not only this summer but in the next couple of years also. But after losing Briere, Drury and Zubrus I am sure their fans are already pretty steamed at how the off-season has gone for them so far. If they were to let another player walk away, I have a feeling many of their fans and season ticket holders would be walking away also. I wouldn't be surprised if Lowe made this kind of offer knowing that Buffalo would likely/possibly match so that it can set a market price for other restricted free agents like Parise. Elias to Parise 07-06-2007, 12:55 PM Even though I am a devils fan, I do have to give credit where its deserved.. the oilers have great fans and they definitely deserve a good team year in and year out management f#$% everything up for them I was talkin about Buffalo fan's(not all of them but a solid amount). Just way to cocky. devs4L 07-06-2007, 12:59 PM Lou!! Drop Whatever It Is You're Doing With Souray/markov/sutton And Sign Parise Now!! GentlemanOfLeisure 07-06-2007, 01:00 PM On one hand if I was Buffalo I would have taken the 4 draft picks, but I also think that perhaps they felt like they had to match that offer. Vanek did get 80+ points last year but that was playing on a team with Briere and Drury, I think it will be tough for him to put up those kinds of numbers without them. I don't think he is worth that kind of money and is really to going to tie Buffalo's hands if they want to go out and acquire free agents, not only this summer but in the next couple of years also. But after losing Briere, Drury and Zubrus I am sure their fans are already pretty steamed at how the off-season has gone for them so far. If they were to let another player walk away, I have a feeling many of their fans and season ticket holders would be walking away also. I wouldn't be surprised if Lowe made this kind of offer knowing that Buffalo would likely/possibly match so that it can set a market price for other restricted free agents like Parise. I'd take the picks. Zach will sign with the Rangers in four years anyway. DevFan-RU- 07-06-2007, 01:03 PM I'd take the picks. Zach will sign with the Rangers in four years anyway. Hating the Rangers runs in his family... I doubt it. PenzOil 07-06-2007, 01:04 PM Sorry to say but I think Parise is next. Lowe will probably offer 5.8M (2 1sts, 1 second and one third) for him (front loaded). Jersey should be able to match that. TaiMaiShu 07-06-2007, 01:05 PM **** Lowe. DevFan-RU- 07-06-2007, 01:05 PM Sorry to say but I think Parise is next. Lowe will probably offer 5.8M (2 1sts, 1 second and one third) for him (front loaded). Jersey should be able to match that. What if Parise doesn't accept? What if he says... "nahh, ill sign with NJ for less" Elias to Parise 07-06-2007, 01:06 PM **** Lowe. +1 PenzOil 07-06-2007, 01:07 PM What if Parise doesn't accept? What if he says... "nahh, ill sign with NJ for less" that would be awesome for you guys. You can never tell though you have your Smyths and you have your Iginlas. If the contract is front loaded ~8M for the first 2 years Parise will think long and hard before rejecting it and accepting NJ's 4M\year Classic Devil 07-06-2007, 01:09 PM Sorry to say but I think Parise is next. Lowe will probably offer 5.8M (2 1sts, 1 second and one third) for him (front loaded). Jersey should be able to match that. Lowe's hands are probably tied for the next few days. Unless Buffalo has already filed the papers stating that they have matched, all they've done is given their intent to match. Lowe can't file another offer sheet until this one is resolved - meaning that we probably have until Buffalo officially matches (they have a week to do so) before we need to start worrying. Brooklyndevil 07-06-2007, 01:15 PM That's what happens when you install a hard cap, the only way players agree to it is for more freedom and now more than ever players have a choice as to where they want to play at a much earlier age and that means bad news for the less popular hockey cities as nobody wants to sign with them unless they get vastly overpaid as we just saw with the Oilers. Lowe had a ton of cap room but no top end UFA's want to play in Edm so he is forced to go another route to get a star player and we end up with RFA's getting poached from other teams. But isn't ironic that the cap was implemented to help teams like the Oilers and he now goes out destroys any salary structure we might have had for young players. Brooklyndevil 07-06-2007, 01:16 PM Lowe's hands are probably tied for the next few days. Unless Buffalo has already filed the papers stating that they have matched, all they've done is given their intent to match. Lowe can't file another offer sheet until this one is resolved - meaning that we probably have until Buffalo officially matches (they have a week to do so) before we need to start worrying. And I'm sure Dracy will wait until the very last minute of the week to file. John Flyers Fan 07-06-2007, 01:17 PM Lowe's hands are probably tied for the next few days. Unless Buffalo has already filed the papers stating that they have matched, all they've done is given their intent to match. Lowe can't file another offer sheet until this one is resolved - meaning that we probably have until Buffalo officially matches (they have a week to do so) before we need to start worrying. Vanek signed the contract with Buffalo at 12:15 PM. Edmonton isn't tied up and are free to look for the next target. Hemsky is a gangsta 07-06-2007, 01:17 PM buffalo said they signed vanek already Classic Devil 07-06-2007, 01:21 PM Vanek signed the contract with Buffalo at 12:15 PM. Edmonton isn't tied up and are free to look for the next target. Bah. Can Regeir do anything right? This should be fun. Something else to worry about. Devilsfanatic 07-06-2007, 01:23 PM Vanek signed the contract with Buffalo at 12:15 PM. Edmonton isn't tied up and are free to look for the next target. Alright John, they'll make a offer to Parise, he'll sign and probably walk.......and we'll get Edmonton's picks when they'll be really high in the draft. Then the next season we're going to sign Jeff Carter to a RFA offer sheet, and give you our first round picks that'll be bottom 5. So it will look like this: Parise + 4 1st round picks in the bottom 5 for Carter + 4 1st round picks in the top 5-10. I think as Devils fans, we like that deal very much so :) John Flyers Fan 07-06-2007, 01:27 PM Alright John, they'll make a offer to Parise, he'll sign and probably walk.......and we'll get Edmonton's picks when they'll be really high in the draft. Then the next season we're going to sign Jeff Carter to a RFA offer sheet, and give you our first round picks that'll be bottom 5. So it will look like this: Parise + 4 1st round picks in the bottom 5 for Carter + 4 1st round picks in the top 5-10. I think as Devils fans, we like that deal very much so :) We actually get our players signed prior to July, 1. :p: ddnow2000 07-06-2007, 01:28 PM I like Parise , but I like the idea of getting 4 first round draft picks better. Devils9789 07-06-2007, 01:28 PM according to eklund, this was all a strategy for the oilers...vanek was not the target at all...read up http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=8505 Devilsfanatic 07-06-2007, 01:28 PM We actually get our players signed prior to July, 1. :p: Oh yeah? Do they even have the money to match, I believe the Flyers are EXTREMELY close to the 50.3 John Flyers Fan 07-06-2007, 01:29 PM Bah. Can Regeir do anything right? This should be fun. Something else to worry about. Nope. Darcy has butchered the Drury, Briere, and Vanek thing so badly its funny. He could have had all three signed to about $16 million per year total if he was proactive. or He culd have let Drury and Vanek walk, keep Briere (who wanted to stay and is better than Vanek) and have saved $650K per year and had four #1 choices from the Oilers. PenzOil 07-06-2007, 01:31 PM But isn't ironic that the cap was implemented to help teams like the Oilers and he now goes out destroys any salary structure we might have had for young players. It does help teams like the oilers. Hopefully now the big spenders like rangers will ensure that they sign the RFAs before throwing crazy $$ at UFAs. Because of lowe's move NJ wont be going after Souray before getting Martin and Parise under contract leaving Souray for smaller teams like edmonton. Alright John, they'll make a offer to Parise, he'll sign and probably walk.......and we'll get Edmonton's picks when they'll be really high in the draft. Then the next season we're going to sign Jeff Carter to a RFA offer sheet, and give you our first round picks that'll be bottom 5. So it will look like this: Parise + 4 1st round picks in the bottom 5 for Carter + 4 1st round picks in the top 5-10. I think as Devils fans, we like that deal very much so :) Doubt that Lowe will offer the same contract to Parise. It'll more likely be front loaded 5 year 29M. (only 2 first rounders, 1 second and 1 3rd). 8M, 6M, 5M, 5M, 5M John Flyers Fan 07-06-2007, 01:31 PM Oh yeah? Do they even have the money to match, I believe the Flyers are EXTREMELY close to the 50.3 We have everyone signed at the moment except for possibly an enforcer. We about a million below the cap. We have enough players coming off the books that Richards, Carter and Coburn will be signed with a problem. drew5580 07-06-2007, 01:32 PM on a side note vaneks agent talked about when gionta signed his deal and encouraged him to not sign long term w the devils and he pointed out that if bertuzzi is worth $4 million he thinks gionta is worth alot more, so brcae yourself because in 2 years this agent is looking to cash in on you too Brooklyndevil 07-06-2007, 01:33 PM Bah. Can Regeir do anything right? This should be fun. Something else to worry about. He must of been so pissed that he wasn't thinking straight. Brooklyndevil 07-06-2007, 01:35 PM It does help teams like the oilers. Hopefully now the big spenders like rangers will ensure that they sign the RFAs before throwing crazy $$ at UFAs. Because of lowe's move NJ wont be going after Souray before getting Martin and Parise under contract leaving Souray for smaller teams like edmonton. Doubt that Lowe will offer the same contract to Parise. It'll more likely be front loaded 5 year 29M. (only 2 first rounders, 1 second and 1 3rd). 8M, 6M, 5M, 5M, 5M If Lowe want's to pay Souray 6 million, go right ahead, because I doubt the Devils will. PenzOil 07-06-2007, 01:49 PM If Lowe want's to pay Souray 6 million, go right ahead, because I doubt the Devils will. Lowe probably wants to pay Souray 4M but all the free spending teams wont let that happen. With this krazy move he has indirectly brought some sanity to the UFA world. too bad there is no one good left on the open market. NJ is one of the better teams who have lost some great Dmen dues to the new cap world. Rangers on the other hand deserve an offer sheet or 2. GentlemanOfLeisure 07-06-2007, 01:54 PM The only thing is... Unless you're from Edmonton, why would you wanna sign there???? Souray is actually from Alberta, but his wife aint going to be feeling western Canada. He'll sign with the Islanders for around 5 mil. Drewr15 07-06-2007, 01:55 PM Lowe probably wants to pay Souray 4M but all the free spending teams wont let that happen. With this krazy move he has indirectly brought some sanity to the UFA world. too bad there is no one good left on the open market. NJ is one of the better teams who have lost some great Dmen dues to the new cap world. Rangers on the other hand deserve an offer sheet or 2. How is he bringing sanity to the market? Any RFAs up for arbitration that are even remotely comparablet to Vanek just jumped for joy. This was not about bringing sanity to the market, it was about pushing other teams to the brink so they couldn't afford players and would have to move them. It may hamper the second tier UFAs still without contracts but overall it just made things harder going forward. PenzOil 07-06-2007, 02:18 PM The only thing is... Unless you're from Edmonton, why would you wanna sign there???? Souray is actually from Alberta, but his wife aint going to be feeling western Canada. He'll sign with the Islanders for around 5 mil. whats wrong with signing in edmonton? how is edmonton different from Calgary or Colorado? How is he bringing sanity to the market? Any RFAs up for arbitration that are even remotely comparablet to Vanek just jumped for joy. This was not about bringing sanity to the market, it was about pushing other teams to the brink so they couldn't afford players and would have to move them. It may hamper the second tier UFAs still without contracts but overall it just made things harder going forward. things will get harder for teams that throw crazy money at UFAs on July 1st. They'll think twice about doing that if they have unsigned RFAs. I agree that RFAs will now get more $$ but will now give smaller teams a better chance of picking up UFAs. Drewr15 07-06-2007, 02:23 PM whats wrong with signing in edmonton? how is edmonton different from Calgary or Colorado? things will get harder for teams that throw crazy money at UFAs on July 1st. They'll think twice about doing that if they have unsigned RFAs. I agree that RFAs will now get more $$ but will now give smaller teams a better chance of picking up UFAs. But here is the fault in that logic. Now that the RFAs are all going to get hefty raises as this trickles through the system, they are the future UFAs, and will be getting to that point younger and more in their prime. Do you think they are going to take paycuts when they become UFAs? No way. They will demand even more at the UFA stage, and the smaller market teams will have to settle for signing the second tier guys that they can afford. trickster 07-06-2007, 02:32 PM lowe is a jerk lol seriously is he that desperate to put out offer sheets? offer sheets = weakness edit: bad news: from ek SOURCES tell me Parise and Ryder are next. Can't blame Lowe for competing at all... Oilers have every right to do whatever they want within the rules... Just like starting Clemmenson in the last game of the season to rest Brodeur... It might be unpopular with fans of other teams, but you do what you think is best for your club! Ryder is not worth an offer sheet in my opinion, but that Parise kid has loads of potential, and could conceivably get the same offer Vanek did. PenzOil 07-06-2007, 02:34 PM But here is the fault in that logic. Now that the RFAs are all going to get hefty raises as this trickles through the system, they are the future UFAs, and will be getting to that point younger and more in their prime. Do you think they are going to take paycuts when they become UFAs? No way. They will demand even more at the UFA stage, and the smaller market teams will have to settle for signing the second tier guys that they can afford. If u rewind back a year. Lets say Lowe offered 7 year 50M contract to Gionta in 2006. Do you think rangers wouldve signed Drury and Gomez to these ridicilous contracts before getting Prucha and Lundqvist signed? If anything the smaller market teams will now be able to sign the big name players. Drewr15 07-06-2007, 02:41 PM If u rewind back a year. Lets say Lowe offered 7 year 50M contract to Gionta in 2006. Do you think rangers wouldve signed Drury and Gomez to these ridicilous contracts before getting Prucha and Lundqvist signed? If anything the smaller market teams will now be able to sign the big name players. Yes he would have because RFAs can still give you back first round picks, and you can still retain them by matching, UFAs you can't. All he has done is up the RFA numbers hoping that some teams will be willing to walk away from arbitration. This is what went on for years before the cap that helped salaries escalate to begin with, give one guy a crazy contract and suddenly everybody is using him as a benchmark. Ricoche 07-06-2007, 03:08 PM Yes he would have because RFAs can still give you back first round picks, and you can still retain them by matching, UFAs you can't. All he has done is up the RFA numbers hoping that some teams will be willing to walk away from arbitration. This is what went on for years before the cap that helped salaries escalate to begin with, give one guy a crazy contract and suddenly everybody is using him as a benchmark. this is what I fear will happen with parise PenzOil 07-06-2007, 03:21 PM Yes he would have because RFAs can still give you back first round picks, and you can still retain them by matching, UFAs you can't. All he has done is up the RFA numbers hoping that some teams will be willing to walk away from arbitration. This is what went on for years before the cap that helped salaries escalate to begin with, give one guy a crazy contract and suddenly everybody is using him as a benchmark. ok lets see NJ sign one of Souray\Markov\Sutton before talking to Martin. Souray cant benchmark himself with Rafalski anymore. He'll get what a team with limited budget can offer him. Teams like NYI and EDM had money to spend but could not attract quality UFAs. Now if NJ attracts\signs Souray they'll risk losing Martin for a couple of first rounders. Drewr15 07-06-2007, 03:33 PM ok lets see NJ sign one of Souray\Markov\Sutton before talking to Martin. Souray cant benchmark himself with Rafalski anymore. He'll get what a team with limited budget can offer him. Teams like NYI and EDM had money to spend but could not attract quality UFAs. Now if NJ attracts\signs Souray they'll risk losing Martin for a couple of first rounders. For a couple of first rounders to a weak team or they can match it and trade him to somewhere else. Either way they will get assets back. While you may be making them make a choice in some situations, it won't lower UFA salaries at all. taunting canadian 07-06-2007, 07:24 PM by the way isnt this why we started a cap, so teams cant throw money at players like this? way to handcuff ur financial freedom but you cant help but laugh that edm was one of the teams complaining they cant compete financially in the nhl not too long ago and now we have 1 small market team screwing over another Revenue linkage. 54-57%. :teach: (I'm shortening my posts on this topic, because otherwise I'd have to spend all day typing. :sarcasm:) ClaudeLemieux4HOF 07-06-2007, 07:35 PM Revenue linkage. 54-57%. :teach: (I'm shortening my posts on this topic, because otherwise I'd have to spend all day typing. :sarcasm:) touche' forgot about that part DEVILS ALL THE WAY 07-06-2007, 09:50 PM But here is the fault in that logic. Now that the RFAs are all going to get hefty raises as this trickles through the system, they are the future UFAs, and will be getting to that point younger and more in their prime. Do you think they are going to take paycuts when they become UFAs? No way. They will demand even more at the UFA stage, and the smaller market teams will have to settle for signing the second tier guys that they can afford. ... And that's the reason why you need a HARD CAP that won't allow any teams to have 4 guys worth 38M$. But owners and players would never agree to this idea !!!! crashlanding 07-06-2007, 09:54 PM ... And that's the reason why you need a HARD CAP that won't allow any teams to have 4 guys worth 38M$. But owners and players would never agree to this idea !!!! They did, the NHL has a hard cap. | ||