Hypothetical: If signing Kariya brought back Teemu

Would that be ok by you?

here are my pros and cons
Pros

-It brings Selanne back for another year
-the transition ability of Kariya with McDonald and Selanne is interesting
-Shores up a need on LW and moves Kunitz down which in the process gives us four very good lines
-Should be a short deal for a reasonable amount of money in a free agent class that will be loaded with overpayments
-We won the cup without him my resentment towards him is much less than it use to be.

Cons
-He has not performed in the playoffs in recent years
-Will he play with enough grit to fit in and do some dirty work?
-I still have some resentment he would need to do some ass kissing;)
-Would probably lead to decreased production from Kunitz

The pros outweigh the cons to me only if it gets Teemu back, was just curious what you guys thought on the subject.

If Kariya signing convinced Teemu to return, I strongly urge Burke to sign him, if it can be done at a reasonable price. I don't care, what's done is done, and, we have to think in the now. Kariya is an elite forward, and, if signed for a reasonable price, there's little downside to it. This is heightened if it convinces Selanne to come back for a season or two.

It's also Kariya's chance for forgiveness. He stabbed this organization in the back, but, if he returns and leads the charge for a second cup, all is easily forgiven.

No, sorry. That's not a hypothetical I'd even engage, and thankfully, I think Teemu would be more of a pro than to make that a sticking point. And it's not just animosity towards Paul. He doesn't fit in on this team. Even the finesse forwards (which are really only Teemu and Mac when you get right down to it) get their noses dirty. That's not Paul's game. Never has been.

The second thing is that our top six (pending Teemu's decision) is already set. None of those guys are getting bumped to the fourth line. That isn't where Burke is going to spend money.

Re-sign Giguere. Look into bringing back or replacing O'Donnell and possibly Scotty. Save the cap room for a possible deadline deal.

And no, Kariya is not an elite forward. Tied for 34th in points, tied for 77th in goals scored, with nothing else to the table. He's a B-grade finesse forward now. That's it.

No thank you.

Blech.

Yeah. I thought the days of ***** hockey were behind us.

And no, Kariya is not an elite forward. Tied for 34th in points, tied for 77th in goals scored, with nothing else to the table. He's a B-grade finesse forward now. That's it.
Scoring leaders are slanted towards the east with a more up tempo offensive style, amongst west forwards he was 15th in points and alot of the players ahead of him are tandems(like Langkow/Huselius, Brunette/Sakic, McDonald/Selanne, Sedins) and maybe what stands out to me is about 2/3 of his points were at even strength(51 of 76) I don't think he's an elite forward but he's still a solid 1st liner/great second line scorer.

I dont want him.

I hate the dude, but I am going to be honest. I wouldn't mind seeing him back here, if it brings Teemu back. Otherwise I think there are many choices in the market that are better than Kariya.

Bring Kariya back home where he belongs!

Carlyle got Teemu to backcheck and not cherry pick so much. So if he can get Kariya to play defense and get into the trenches, do it for cheap, and if it brought Teemu back, then I might be OK with it. But since that seems pretty far-fetched, and Kariya's a rat, I'll pass.

And besides, I'm much more worried about our defensive depth. Scoring slack would be mostly taken up by our PPG line.

He simply doesn't fit in Carlyle system, he doesn't back-check and play no defence. He's a one dimensional player who doesn't show up in the playoffs.

No thanks, we also have no money for him.

Only if Kariya signed for the league minimum and was forced to wear a jersey with the lettering "IM A PANSY" for the season.

Then perhaps I'd consider it...

I definitely understand the Kariya dislike here on these boards, i have a bit of that going on right now for Scott Hartnell:rant:. Just thought i would post this, take it for what its worth.

2 things

a) IMO Kariya has improved a few facets of his game that, judging by your comments (i never saw much of the ducks when Kariya played for you), he never had in Anaheim. And i was not a Kariya fan before he arrived in Nashville, but playing for the preds he was quite proficient on the forecheck which shocked me. Also he often battled along the boards in the offensive zone and he attacked the net a lot more in Nashville than what i hear he did in Anaheim (i have heard he used to skate into the zone do some useless spin move and hurl the puck across the ice). Still didn't view him as a gritty player, obviously, but he definitely brought more to our lineup than i expected, minus the last 1/4 of this season. Just thought i would give you the view from a preds fans perspective, being someone who has seen him play quite a few times the last 2 years.

b) I would find it crazy to see Kariya in Anaheim if he signed with your team for $1.2 million. That'd be pretty ironic.

Anaheim should sign Kariya and let Selanne go.
Kariya is just so much better player than Selanne.

Anaheim should sign Kariya and let Selanne go.
Kariya is just so much better player than Selanne.

Please stop this.
I'm gonna puke.
It's gross.

:shakehead

Anaheim should sign Kariya and let Selanne go.
Kariya is just so much better player than Selanne.

My name is Luca...I live on the second floor...I live upstairs from you...yes I think you've seen me before...

:dainty:

My name is Luca...I live on the second floor...I live upstairs from you...yes I think you've seen me before...

:dainty:

Mr.kenabnrmal
are you under the influence of alchol?

if we sign him ill be a little pissed off, but i will get over it in about a week considering we would have just reunited Kariya And Selanne

Mr.kenabnrmal
are you under the influence of alchol?

that's a song from suzanne vega...but when I read your comment about Kariya being much better than Selanne, you are surely too young to know this song :D

Mr.kenabnrmal
are you under the influence of alchol?

The question is, are you? :amazed:

I think both of them are great players, but for the two last years I'd give an edge to Teemu...

It would be great to have them together again to end their careers in Anaheim so they can get their jerseys in the roof of Honda Center...

If they do, do you think it will be with the old Mighty Ducks jersey or with the current one? Would Kariya have the C and Selanne an A? (not on the ice I mean, but when they're jerseys been hanged up, if they will be)

Once again, it would be amazing to see them back together. Do you think Selanne would take a paycut if it would be needed to bring Paul here?

Once again, it would be amazing to see them back together. Do you think Selanne would take a paycut if it would be needed to bring Paul here?

I doubt he'd really need to, considering he made 1m last season. Question should probably be if Kariya would take a paycut to get to play with Teemu again.

I doubt he'd really need to, considering he made 1m last season. Question should probably be if Kariya would take a paycut to get to play with Teemu again.

That was the year before. He made $3.75 million last year, plus bonuses.

I doubt he'd really need to, considering he made 1m last season. Question should probably be if Kariya would take a paycut to get to play with Teemu again.

Uhhuh, Selanne's cap hit was SIX (6) millions last year, how much of the bonuses he collected is unknown. Base salary was 4M or so.

I don't hold grudges, so if Carlyle and Burke think he'll work here, I'm all for it. He's fun to watch play hockey, it doesn't matter that he's a ****head off the ice.

If the Ducks can get him somewhat cheap, I think I could get used to it. Obviously, it hurts to think about at first, but the more I think about it, if he realizes the mistake he made and he's willing to come back here and work within Carlyle's system to help bring another cup to Anaheim, I'd be open to it.

Kariya WAS the Ducks, before he threw it away. If he's willing to come and earn back what he lost, I don't think it'd be terrible.

To be honest, if Selanne's back I don't see where the fit is. I have zero problem with Kunitz as the left winger on that line, and the only other opening would be on the 4th line with Marchant. Granted, he'd get plenty of time on the pp, and it wouldn't be bad having him paired with Marchant to give us four lines that can produce, but at what cost? Grudge aside, I don't really see the sense.

I would love to have Kariya back in a Ducks uniform.
Imagine the possibilities of having Kariya-Mac-Selanne on the first line
that would be a top notch first line
and like someone stated, this can put Kunitz down a line which would generate more offense on either the 2nd or 4th line by dropping Penner to the 4th for Kunitz on the kid line

I would love to have Kariya back in a Ducks uniform.
Imagine the possibilities of having Kariya-Mac-Selanne on the first line
that would be a top notch first line
and like someone stated, this can put Kunitz down a line which would generate more offense on either the 2nd or 4th line by dropping Penner to the 4th for Kunitz on the kid line

Part of the reason that top line has been so successful, in my mind anyways, is the grit and physicality that Kunitz brings. The grit and banging Rucchin brought was a huge part of what made the "Dyanmic Duo" so dynamic. Taking our top line and swapping Kunitz out for Kariya eliminates that aspect.

I am all for it. Any resentment I had toward him was pushed out of my mind by a big silver tower thing.

They don't have to play with each other all the time...

I like this idea only because it would increase our forward depth and i'd get to see Selanne play 1 more season.

But imagine our forward depth:

I'm going to get a little creative here:

Kariya Marchant Selanne
Kunitz McDonald Penner
Thornton/May/Parros Getzlaf Perry
Niedermayer Pahlson Moen

Now thats sick to me...

but what the hell are we gonna do on defense?

They don't have to play with each other all the time...

I like this idea only because it would increase our forward depth and i'd get to see Selanne play 1 more season.

But imagine our forward depth:

I'm going to get a little creative here:

Kariya Marchant Selanne
Kunitz McDonald Penner
Thornton/May/Parros Getzlaf Perry
Niedermayer Pahlson Moen

Now thats sick to me...

but what the hell are we gonna do on defense?

Dear god no, no more enforcer Getz Perry line!!!!!!!!!

No no no, no more ****ing Kariya. I don't need to see that "I'm skating down the side as fast as I can slapshot from 40-feet out." No thanks.

Except for 2003, when he actually started backchecking and playing a little defense, the guy's always been a *****. I watched plenty of him in Nashville last year, and he's still a *****. We don't need guys like that in Anaheim, history be damned.

I am all for it. Any resentment I had toward him was pushed out of my mind by a big silver tower thing.

That's how I feel, honestly.

I kinda like the idea of Ducks fans, fresh off of reaching the pinnacle of hockey without him, saying with a sideways grin: "Sure Paul, c'mon back. I think we might have a spot somewhere in our top-12 forward for you."

That's how I feel, honestly.

I kinda like the idea of Ducks fans, fresh off of reaching the pinnacle of hockey without him, saying with a sideways grin: "Sure Paul, c'mon back. I think we might have a spot somewhere in our top-12 forward for you."

I love it.

And I only put a big body with Getzlaf and Perry becuase I think they are so good it would balance out the rest of the 3 offensive lines.

We'd have 3 legitimate and scary scoring lines on top of the shutdown line. We'd also have a grinder between selanne/kariya.

Honestly, I can't see what incentive Selanne has to return except bringing kariya back and/or defending cup w/ whole team in tact.

No no no, no more ****ing Kariya. I don't need to see that "I'm skating down the side as fast as I can slapshot from 40-feet out." No thanks.

Except for 2003, when he actually started backchecking and playing a little defense, the guy's always been a *****. I watched plenty of him in Nashville last year, and he's still a *****. We don't need guys like that in Anaheim, history be damned.

I'm inclined to agree, though his talent is indisputable. Any potential return would be contingent upon Burke and Carlyle feeling that he'd be committed to the system. Kariya's a smart hockey player, fast and extremely skilled. He's soft as butter, but if he commits to defense and the forecheck, he could be useful.

To be honest, if Selanne's back I don't see where the fit is. I have zero problem with Kunitz as the left winger on that line, and the only other opening would be on the 4th line with Marchant. Granted, he'd get plenty of time on the pp, and it wouldn't be bad having him paired with Marchant to give us four lines that can produce, but at what cost? Grudge aside, I don't really see the sense.
Kunitz can be effective on any line because of the way he plays. He would fit well with Getz and Perry or Marchant and whoever. Kariya would give us some added offensive spark and give us an incredible transition game on the first line(he's a better puck handler than Kunitz thats the big difference offensively). It's not like Kariya mooches off the PP he had 2/3 of his points at ES, but I would only be for it if it got Selanne back.

Kunitz can be effective on any line because of the way he plays. He would fit well with Getz and Perry or Marchant and whoever. Kariya would give us some added offensive spark and give us an incredible transition game on the first line(he's a better puck handler than Kunitz thats the big difference offensively). It's not like Kariya mooches off the PP he had 2/3 of his points at ES, but I would only be for it if it got Selanne back.

I hear ya, my point though was more that Kariya, while much more skilled than Kunitz, may not make that top line any better due to the loss of the grit Kunitz provides. Granted though, it's another top-end forward that adds to our overall skill level.

Considering Burke's comments regarding Kariya's departure, (when Burke was still with Van) I doubt he'd be interested in signing a player like that.

Even Teemu and Mac were all year willing to take hits (not necessarily dish them out) to make plays. Even McDonald started laying the body in the playoffs. You gotta do that stuff to win. EVERYONE ELSE ON THE TEAM WAS HITTING TOO. I don't see Paul doing that...

Considering Burke's comments regarding Kariya's departure, (when Burke was still with Van) I doubt he'd be interested in signing a player like that.

Even Teemu and Mac were all year willing to take hits (not necessarily dish them out) to make plays. Even McDonald started laying the body in the playoffs. You gotta do that stuff to win. EVERYONE ELSE ON THE TEAM WAS HITTING TOO. I don't see Paul doing that...

Before Carlyle came, Teemu and Mac were not those types of players. I have no doubt that Kariya would be forced to buy into this system if he wanted to play here.

Now, don't get me wrong, although I appear to want Kariya back, I honestly would just treat him like any other FA. I think he could be a good fit, but only for the right price. And, if he helped bring Teemu back, there's no doubt I'd want him.

He screwed this team over, but some of the things people are saying are laughable. People hate him because he's not loyal, yet, forget about #25 on this team. People say he's a jerk off-ice, yet, it's not like all the Ducks on this team are all great people. People say he's soft and one-dimensional, yet, we have guys like Teemu and Andy Mac(yeah, they've improved, but, face it, they aren't miles ahead of Kariya in those departments).

Considering Burke's comments regarding Kariya's departure, (when Burke was still with Van) I doubt he'd be interested in signing a player like that.

Even Teemu and Mac were all year willing to take hits (not necessarily dish them out) to make plays. Even McDonald started laying the body in the playoffs. You gotta do that stuff to win. EVERYONE ELSE ON THE TEAM WAS HITTING TOO. I don't see Paul doing that...

Exactly, and once teams start playing the body on Paul, he stops skating and his offense dries up. Not the kind of player we want during the playoffs.

Before Carlyle came, Teemu and Mac were not those types of players.

Wrong about both. Andy ran like he was on Duracells even before Carlyle. He was constantly getting his nose dirty in 2004. And Teemu has always used his size to get body position. And he hasn't been afraid to throw the occasional hit. Remember him taking a run at Pronger in the Olympics?

Paul has never been like that. He's too slight to play that sort of game. That, and he wears a skirt. The guy's a wuss.

I'd rather bring back Marty Mcinnis

I'd be very surprised if Burke signed him as well because of, as others have said, his 'soft player' reputation.

If Burke did sign him though, I wouldn't throw any fits because I trust him to put together the best team he can in order to remain contenders (or should I say to remain champs :D) and if he thinks adding Paul back is best for the team, then so be it.

Kariya would help in the shootouts at least. ;)

Considering Burke's comments regarding Kariya's departure, (when Burke was still with Van) I doubt he'd be interested in signing a player like that.

...

Yeah, but to play devil's advocate...Burke blasted Columbus for the Marchant contract.

i have heard he used to skate into the zone do some useless spin move and hurl the puck across the iceLOL, so you have seen him play before he went to the Preds. ;)


I'm all for still making fun of him, because the dude's taste in cars is the equivalent of a 55 year old retired woman, but I no longer hate him.

Still lots of great memories with him in a Duck jersey. If Carlyle is able to brainwash him into a more physical player, then great. Would welcome him with open arms.

But I have the same concerns Ken does, part of the success of the first line this year was Kunitz's willingness to go in hard on the forecheck and blow people up, and he was always the first one in on the scrums to protect Teemu or McDonald. I don't see the Princess ever doing that. There's no room for him on the current roster as it stands, unless playing 3 minutes a night on the 4th line is something he is willing to do to have another shot at the Cup ...

He played well for the Preds, and I think he can play somewhat physical
With 3 snipers on the first line, teams would not be able to handle all three of them imho

Doesn't he get hurt for half the season lol. I would seriously never sign that guy back. Downgrade the performance of your other players because of his ice time. That isn't to even mention that him going back would be kind of hard, for me at least, to respect him since I would think he is only doing it to get his name on the cup. He went to Colorado to win it with Selanne and didn't and went to Nashville instead to try to win it and didn't. Least Teemu came back and apologized for leaving, didn't he?

Doesn't he get hurt for half the season lol. I would seriously never sign that guy back. Downgrade the performance of your other players because of his ice time. That isn't to even mention that him going back would be kind of hard, for me at least, to respect him since I would think he is only doing it to get his name on the cup. He went to Colorado to win it with Selanne and didn't and went to Nashville instead to try to win it and didn't. Least Teemu came back and apologized for leaving, didn't he?

Well, Paul would also have that opportunity to come back, admit he was wrong, and move on as a lifer here. Also, I don't think he's missed a game, or at least many of them, since the Colorado season.

Also, to whoever said it, Selanne was very one-dimensional before. At times you would see flashes of physicality or whatever, but, for the most part, he wasn't very hard-nosed at all and not defensively responsible. Yeah, he made a hit on Pronger in the olympics, but that means little. Petr Sykora absolutely laid out Denis Gauthier in 2004, which caused him to be injured for the Flames' cup run that year, but that hardly means Sykora is anything but a perimeter player.

Brian Burke would not bring Kariya, or any player for that matter, into the fold unless they were going to commit to Carlyle's system. If Burke signs Karyia, which I doubt happens, for the record, don't expect the soft one-dimensional player we saw during the bad years.

Anaheim should sign Kariya and let Selanne go.
Kariya is just so much better player than Selanne.

thanks dude!

now tell me, are you sure that you took the right pills?

-We won the cup without him my resentment towards him is much less than it use to be.


Ya that's a good point.

Least Teemu came back and apologized for leaving, didn't he?

Teemu was traded from the Ducks to San Jose a couple of years prior to signing with Colorado with Kariya.

He did not need to apologize to the Ducks for anything. San Jose was glad he left. Tony Granato did not like him and when he signed with Colorado they were happy he left. If not mistaken I believe he was on the 4th line.

i think if we had Kariya in 06 we probably would have beaten Edmonton
again, ever since he left Colorado, he has been playing really well
didn't he lead the team in scoring and goals for the Preds?
during that same time Selanne was also rejuvenated

i think if we had Kariya in 06 we probably would have beaten Edmonton

Are you kidding? No chance.

i think if we had Kariya in 06 we probably would have beaten Edmonton...

Had they put Giguere in to start the series, they would've won.

Had they put Giguere in to start the series, they would've won.

I don't know about that, either, but when people look back in history, they're going to wonder about that. They'll probably think Jiggy was injured.

IMO Brnig him back - Yes

Which line??? Mac & Teemu, would be 3rd line, PPG #1, Checking line #2

BTW, IMO

2003, the Ducks went as far as they did, Kariya was demanded to play both ways..

and that was the reason he left the following season, doesn't want to play both ways...

Championship Teams = Forwards Play Both ends

Are you kidding? No chance.

Our chances would've likely been quite a bit better. We relied on one line that entire year, and Kariya would've definetely diversified our scoring and we might've been able to pop some in on Roli. Now, I have my doubts whether we would win or not, and, it worked out better anyway, but, really, our chances would've been a lot better against Edmonton in that year.

I can't see why people would think Kariya would make us worse. It would probably be expensive and unnecessary, but, it would most certainly make this team better.

(i have heard he used to skate into the zone do some useless spin move and hurl the puck across the ice).

LOL you heard right. Burst into the zone with the defenders backpedaling, do a little spin on the half boards, and wait for Teemu or flick a harmless shot into the goalie. Ah good times. Reminds me of a useless point guard on my favorite college team in 2000 or so. Dribble the ball straight to the right emblem (equivalent of the half boards), pick up the dribble, get swamped by defenders and lose the ball.

Before Carlyle came, Teemu and Mac were not those types of players. I have no doubt that Kariya would be forced to buy into this system if he wanted to play here.


Teemu somewhat, but absolutely not McDonald. He was pretty fearless, going into the corners and scrums. If anything, he's mellowed out a little following his concussion.

Teemu somewhat, but absolutely not McDonald. He was pretty fearless, going into the corners and scrums. If anything, he's mellowed out a little following his concussion.

Well, with Mac, even though I watched little of him prior to 03-04, I knew he was a pretty tenacious forechecker, but, I was talking in terms of defensive responsibility. Teemu as well, although he wasn't a great forechecker before.

From what I saw in Nashville, Kariya actually forechecked well enough. That's why I thought we were talking defensiveness, as Kariya was no slouch in terms of effort and whatnot these past two seasons(from what I've seen and heard, anyway).

Well, with Mac, even though I watched little of him prior to 03-04, I knew he was a pretty tenacious forechecker, but, I was talking in terms of defensive responsibility. Teemu as well, although he wasn't a great forechecker before.

From what I saw in Nashville, Kariya actually forechecked well enough. That's why I thought we were talking defensiveness, as Kariya was no slouch in terms of effort and whatnot these past two seasons(from what I've seen and heard, anyway).
The post you quoted was talking about physicality. And that's my biggest concern with Kariya. As for defensive effort, well like I said earlier, if Carlyle can do to Kariya what he did to Selanne then he might be able to contribute. But if you think Carlyle can make anyone backcheck, Petr Sykora says hi.

Exactly, and once teams start playing the body on Paul, he stops skating and his offense dries up. Not the kind of player we want during the playoffs.
Here's my reasoning.

This off season due to the lack of true big fish, guys that are normally second tier players are going to get overpaid for the most part, is Chris Drury worth 7 mil a year for 4+ years? Not IMO, Same goes for Briere, Smyth is possibly looking at getting a 40 million dollar deal, again very good player but a second tier star who I don't think can live up to the contract.

Kariya by and large is getting overlooked and for some valid reasons, but a short term deal to see if he fits and can help us win is not that bad, if it's a one year deal like we would presume Teemu would have, we would then be able to go after some true stars who will be worth their contracts or close to it like Iginla, Thornton, Hossa etc.

I would not want him on any sort of long term deal but a short one will work I am more concerned about signing guys to long term deals if Selanne/Niedermayer retire when they aren't worth it.

He's still a good player a ppg the last two years, if he doesn't work on the top line you could always try him with Getzlaf and Perry and so on, I don't see much risk with him on a one year deal with Selanne back.

I remember I saw a couple of games with Nashville this past season. Kariya were playing just fine in both of those games, defensively as well. This might be the reason he have become more of an playmaker than a goalscorer.

I thought he was working quite good in both ends, you don't have to hit people to play a good game defensively...

I remember I saw a couple of games with Nashville this past season. Kariya were playing just fine in both of those games, defensively as well. This might be the reason he have become more of an playmaker than a goalscorer.

I thought he was working quite good in both ends, you don't have to hit people to play a good game defensively...

But he has to be willing to take hits along the boards to keep pucks alive. Many Ducks goals this post season were scored because of the willingness to take punishment.

But he has to be willing to take hits along the boards to keep pucks alive. Many Ducks goals this post season were scored because of the willingness to take punishment.

Except for Huskins, that kid could not take a hit.

Our chances would've likely been quite a bit better. We relied on one line that entire year, and Kariya would've definetely diversified our scoring and we might've been able to pop some in on Roli. Now, I have my doubts whether we would win or not, and, it worked out better anyway, but, really, our chances would've been a lot better against Edmonton in that year.


I think if Kariya was skating 18-20 minutes per game for us in the playoffs that year we wouldn't have lost to Edmonton. We would have lost to Calgary instead.

Remember how intense and physical that series was? Paul would have been a black hole. No, we wouldn't beat Edmonton either. The Oilers and Flames would do what the Devils did in 2003, what the Sharks did this past year. Bump Kariya hard every time he skates into a traffic area. When teams do that, guess what happens? He stops skating into traffic areas.

He doesn't have "diversified offense." He cherry picks, fires his weak-ass slapshot (which isn't low or heavy) on the rush or from the circles and fires centering passes from the wall. That's his offense.


I'm not saying he can't be a good player for the right team. He was fine for Nashville, and I can think of a few up-and-down teams in the East where he'd probably thrive (Buffalo, Ottawa, Pittsburgh). But those teams had better have other weapons come playoff time.

But he doesn't fit in on the Ducks. And frankly, I'm glad we have the sort of team that Paul doesn't fit in on any more.

I think if Kariya was skating 18-20 minutes per game for us in the playoffs that year we wouldn't have lost to Edmonton. We would have lost to Calgary instead.

Remember how intense and physical that series was? Paul would have been a black hole. No, we wouldn't beat Edmonton either. The Oilers and Flames would do what the Devils did in 2003, what the Sharks did this past year. Bump Kariya hard every time he skates into a traffic area. When teams do that, guess what happens? He stops skating into traffic areas.

He doesn't have "diversified offense." He cherry picks, fires his weak-ass slapshot (which isn't low or heavy) on the rush or from the circles and fires centering passes from the wall. That's his offense.


I'm not saying he can't be a good player for the right team. He was fine for Nashville, and I can think of a few up-and-down teams in the East where he'd probably thrive (Buffalo, Ottawa, Pittsburgh). But those teams had better have other weapons come playoff time.

But he doesn't fit in on the Ducks. And frankly, I'm glad we have the sort of team that Paul doesn't fit in on any more.
nothing is going to change your mind which is fine
but the fact that Kariya led Nashville that year in 2003 was a great feat

If he was on the same line as Mac and Selanne, then neither Calgary nor Edmonton would have been able to stop all 3 of them at once

If they stop Kariya, than Mac and Selanne can score
If they stop Selanne, than Mac and Kariya can score

Had they put Giguere in to start the series, they would've won.
Jiggy played horrible that year
Bryz was one of the reasons we made it that far int he playoffs

Bring Kariya back home where he belongs!


I just threw up a little in my mouth! That Rat deserves nothing. He's a soft player and Burke will not tolerate that.

Please stop this.
I'm gonna puke.
It's gross.

:shakehead

umm your wrong teeemu is the man and kariya is only learning

Kariya by and large is getting overlooked and for some valid reasons, but a short term deal to see if he fits and can help us win is not that bad, if it's a one year deal like we would presume Teemu would have, we would then be able to go after some true stars who will be worth their contracts or close to it like Iginla, Thornton, Hossa etc.

Answer these questions: Scott Hartnell just got $4 million per year. Do you think Kariya is going to get less than that? Is he worth more than that? Be realistic here.

It's a moot point, anyway. Burke isn't going to sign him. The top six is already set. We're not paying Penner $2.3 million or Kunitz over one million to sit on the fourth line. Hell, for my money, Kunitz is a better player than Kariya at a quarter of the price. He scored just as many goals in less playing time and with less power play time, and aside from racking up assists, he's better at every other facet of the game.

Extra money will be spent on Giguere and Scotty's potential replacement, which is where it should be spent.

If he was on the same line as Mac and Selanne, then neither Calgary nor Edmonton would have been able to stop all 3 of them at once


Kind of like how the Ducks had no chance of stopping Alfredsson, Spezza, and Heatley, right? ;)

Kind of like how the Ducks had no chance of stopping Alfredsson, Spezza, and Heatley, right? ;)

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Kind of like how the Ducks had no chance of stopping Alfredsson, Spezza, and Heatley, right? ;)

Then on the other hand, the Ducks probably have the best shut down line in the world...

k so if kariya comes back

kariya big mac selanne
Kunitz Getzlaf Perry
Checking line
Penner marchant parros/may

maybe keep the same lines kariya could be a good replacement for the shutdown line imagine a big player who shuts downs other big players

Kind of like how the Ducks had no chance of stopping Alfredsson, Spezza, and Heatley, right? ;)
do both of you guys really think they had the checking line like we do?
no
i don't think so

I love Paul Kariya. He's the reason I switch from being a Kings fan to a Ducks fan. I first saw him play with U of Maine in an exhibition game at the Forum where he scored a hattrick way back when. I was hurt when he left but am totally over it. And yes, a part of me is sad that the Ducks won the Cup without Kariya.

Having said all that, we don't need him. Penner and Kunitz are our top two LW and they've earned it. Combined they'll make less than Kariya alone and score a lot more goals. I feel Kariya could fit in on this team, regardless of how physical he plays. Think about it, Ryan Shannon played 55 games and like 11 playoff games this year. You think Burke would keep Ryan Shannon on this team and not Paul "I got 27 goals to Shannon's 2" Kariya? That's a total non-issue. You play on this team if you can skate and/or play physical. Kariya can skate. Better than most.

But again, we don't need him. Only if Teemu actually stipulates, which I thoroughly doubt, having Kariya on the team do I actually see it happening. Kariya can make more money and get a longer contract elsewhere with teams that can win the Cup (I reccomend Pittsburgh).

k so if kariya comes back

kariya big mac selanne
Kunitz Getzlaf Perry
Checking line
Penner marchant parros/may

maybe keep the same lines kariya could be a good replacement for the shutdown line imagine a big player who shuts downs other big players

With Kariya I'd like:

Kariya - McDonald - Selanne
Kunitz - Getzlaf - Perry
Moen - Pahlsson - R. Niedermayer
Penner - Marchant - Thornton/May


Without Kariya:

Kunitz - McDonald - Selanne
Penner - Getzlaf - Perry
Moen - Pahlsson - R. Niedermayer
Isbister - Marchant - Thornton/May