Does Bobby Ryan play in the AHL Next season??

IMO, he needs a year in the AHL, its not like the team needs him right now. They should take their time with him simple so he isnt ruined by the NHL. He does have loads of talent (Obvioulsy), but his desire has been questioned. The AHL should help develop that.

That's the plan. But he definitely has an opportunity to make the team if he works hard enough. Burke has said he doesn't want him on the team if he isn't playing top-6 minutes though but Getzy, Perry and Penner were all eased into the lineup via the fourth line so I'd be real surprised not to see Ryan in Anaheim for a handful of games at the very least.

That's the plan. But he definitely has an opportunity to make the team if he works hard enough. Burke has said he doesn't want him on the team if he isn't playing top-6 minutes though but Getzy, Perry and Penner were all eased into the lineup via the fourth line so I'd be real surprised not to see Ryan in Anaheim for a handful of games at the very least.Getzlaf, Perry and Penner weren't making $2.0+ million per year on the fourth line, though.

Getzlaf, Perry and Penner weren't making $2.0+ million per year on the fourth line, though.

And neither will Ryan. He has a rookie contract of 850k and some bonus' obviously. But say Bobby makes the team and scores the requisite amount of points for those bonus' to kick in, do you think he'd still be on the fourth line?

Only the rather exceptional rookies can step into a top-6 role right away. All others get eased into the lineup, as they should. Now I don't think Bobby will make the team out of camp but it stands right now he'll be the most talented player going to Portland. If and when he gets called up next year, unless there is an injury in the top two lines, I'd say he'd be on the fourth line to start his NHL career.

And neither will Ryan. He has a rookie contract of 850k and some bonus' obviously. But say Bobby makes the team and scores the requisite amount of points for those bonus' to kick in, do you think he'd still be on the fourth line?

Only the rather exceptional rookies can step into a top-6 role right away. All others get eased into the lineup, as they should. Now I don't think Bobby will make the team out of camp but it stands right now he'll be the most talented player going to Portland. If and when he gets called up next year, unless there is an injury in the top two lines, I'd say he'd be on the fourth line to start his NHL career.Regardless of whether the bonuses are activated, Bobby Ryan will come with a fixed $2.2 million cap hit; it doesn't make sense to pay a player that kind of money to play on the third line, regardless of his talent. Burke recognizes that which is why he traded for guys like May and Moen. Fill out the bottom six with cheap character players, and you can spend big on the top six.

Regardless of whether the bonuses are activated, Bobby Ryan will come with a fixed $2.2 million cap hit; it doesn't make sense to pay a player that kind of money to play on the third line, regardless of his talent. Burke recognizes that which is why he traded for guys like May and Moen. Fill out the bottom six with cheap character players, and you can spend big on the top six.

I'm not saying Bobby should be a permanent fixture on the fourth line (our third is set in stone for two years) but merely when he gets called up and he will, he'll be plugged into the bottom of the lineup first. I don't envision him staying down in Portland all year simply wait until he can jump into the top two lines. The transition into the NHL isn't that easy. Unless your name is Crosby or Ovechkin at least.

i'd say he starts the year with portland if he has a so-so pre-season. he would get a ton of ice-time there.

I have no worries with ryan, we all have seen how can coach stuff approach young kids (PPG)
so I think we will see exact approach here with bobby

He plays in Portland....no time at all in Anaheim.

End of story

He plays in Portland....no time at all in Anaheim.

End of story

That's a bold statement, who knows how the season will progress. Are you telling me that if he's tearing up the A and the Ducks either have an underachieving forward or an injury that they won't call him up? How many people thought at this time last year that Tim Brent would see any time in Anaheim? I think he has to show a hell of a lot of progression to get himself into the lineup but the possibility is still there.

I have to agree with Wildcat. Ryan showed lots of progress this year from last, but is still pretty clueless at full speed. A year in the AHL to get his timing, maybe a callup mid to late year. He definitely has the skill but the timing at full speed isn't there yet. He also needs to learn how to use his big body to his advantage. Dineen will make a player out of him if he works hard on his strength on the puck and foot speed.

That's a bold statement, who knows how the season will progress. Are you telling me that if he's tearing up the A and the Ducks either have an underachieving forward or an injury that they won't call him up? How many people thought at this time last year that Tim Brent would see any time in Anaheim? I think he has to show a hell of a lot of progression to get himself into the lineup but the possibility is still there.
Tim Brent also played three years at the AHL level before getting recalled. Dustin Penner was two years into Cincinnati before getting his first taste of the NHL.

Ryan would really have to blow Burke and Carlyle away to get any ice time next season and I just don't see. He essentially would have to put on a show like Perry and Getzlaf did and do it by himself......while at the same time accomplish everything that Killerbeez mentioned.

Or we can always rush the Kid into the NHL and destroy any confidence he may have..:sarcasm:

time to go to work..

Tim Brent also played three years at the AHL level before getting recalled. Dustin Penner was two years into Cincinnati before getting his first taste of the NHL.

Ryan would really have to blow Burke and Carlyle away to get any ice time next season and I just don't see. He essentially would have to put on a show like Perry and Getzlaf did and do it by himself......while at the same time accomplish everything that Killerbeez mentioned.

Brent's still a questionable NHL player. Penner's a late bloomer.

Unless Ryan stinks, he'll probably get a cup of coffee in the NHL at some point. But that's about it. There's no way Burke goes into a season counting on Ryan for a 1st line role. Plus, Burke made it known he wants to see the Pirates do better next season, he's not going to treat the AHL merely like a feeder, he wants a winning environment for the kids.

Brent's still a questionable NHL player. Penner's a late bloomer.

Unless Ryan stinks, he'll probably get a cup of coffee in the NHL at some point. But that's about it. There's no way Burke goes into a season counting on Ryan for a 1st line role. Plus, Burke made it known he wants to see the Pirates do better next season, he's not going to treat the AHL merely like a feeder, he wants a winning environment for the kids.

I believe it is not really up to anyone but Selanne. Ryan will need the ice time so if Selanne stays, Ryan will be in Portland. If Selanne leaves, then Mac and Kuni move down to the 2nd line with Ryan as their new linemate before christmas. Either way, he will begin the year in the AHL.

Almost certainly. You want to develop a player like him properly, and the fact of the matter is he just isn't likely to get enough ice time in Anaheim this season to make it sensible. Even if Selanne retires, I don't see Carlyle giving Bobby Ryan those minutes, especially to an unseasoned rookie. In Portland he's going to get a lot of minutes, and he'll have his first taste of playing with men, rather than boys.

I have to agree with Wildcat. Ryan showed lots of progress this year from last, but is still pretty clueless at full speed. A year in the AHL to get his timing, maybe a callup mid to late year. He definitely has the skill but the timing at full speed isn't there yet. He also needs to learn how to use his big body to his advantage. Dineen will make a player out of him if he works hard on his strength on the puck and foot speed.
That is pretty much my take on him as well. I really hope he matures in to the player people think he is capable of being.

There is no reason to rush him. A year of seasoning in the AHL will definitley not hurt his developmet.

I'd agree as well. Start him off in Portland let him play 20+ minutes a game PP, PK, key situations.

Work on his deficiencies build his confidence.

Call him up and let him play with Marchant and Penner about midseason and see how he does.

Tim Brent also played three years at the AHL level before getting recalled. Dustin Penner was two years into Cincinnati before getting his first taste of the NHL.

Ryan would really have to blow Burke and Carlyle away to get any ice time next season and I just don't see. He essentially would have to put on a show like Perry and Getzlaf did and do it by himself......while at the same time accomplish everything that Killerbeez mentioned.

I agree but I disagree with the notion that he can't or won't. There's still three months until camp which is still a lot of time to get stronger and have a good camp. It took Getzy and Perry until their third camp to get their legs under them, they had the same knocks on their skating. But we don't know what kind of camp and season he'll have so it's foolish to assuming definitely any one scenario. Though it's likely he'll spend the whole year in Portland.

I think it may depend on if Selanne retires. Not that he would make the team out of camp, only that a slot would be easier to get later in the season.

I would like to see this guy play in the NHL next year. I think hell skip the AHL and play this year. Isnt there a space open were Shaun Thornton was?

I would like to see this guy play in the NHL next year. I think hell skip the AHL and play this year. Isnt there a space open were Shaun Thornton was?

No....that is Parros' spot and we will likely sign someone else. If Teemu doesn't retire, that spot is also filled. Ryan will spend all of next year in Portland and win the Calder in 08/09.

I would like to see this guy play in the NHL next year. I think hell skip the AHL and play this year. Isnt there a space open were Shaun Thornton was?
Why bother having a minor league affiliation??

He will be in Portland, he's not ready. He still has to learn how to play with men. He's needs to build his leg strength up.

I believe it is not really up to anyone but Selanne. Ryan will need the ice time so if Selanne stays, Ryan will be in Portland. If Selanne leaves, then Mac and Kuni move down to the 2nd line with Ryan as their new linemate before christmas.

Bertuzzi.

A simple fact is that currently theres no room for him. It takes an injury to a current top6 player before Ryan gets a shot.

Theres no point putting him on 4th line with Parros and May.

I am sure that Bobby will find his way into the lineup at least once or twice during the year.

A year in the AHL will really help him though. It certainly can't hurt either. No need to rush him.

With the current crowded situation amongst the forward lines, I'd say it'll be tough sledding for him to make the opening day roster. There's definitely a chance if he wants it bad enough but I'm sure there isn't a spot waiting for him. If he works hard enough he can get it. As unpopular the notion is of him being on the fourth line I guarantee that's where he'll start, either at the beginning of the season or otherwise. That's where all of our rookie forwards broke in at.

He does need to build up his leg strength but I think he's making good progress. I watched him today at the prospect camp and his skating has improved since last September. Once he gets going his skating is fine, it's just his first step isn't that powerful yet but it's getting there. But the kid has sick hands. He was head and shoulders above everyone else today as far as skill is concerned. All the deft little passes he was making were great and he was burying a lot of his shots.

A year in Portland would definitely do him some good but I'll be damned if he spends the whole year there. The kid should be wearing a Ducks jersey at some point next season for sure.

A simple fact is that currently theres no room for him. It takes an injury to a current top6 player before Ryan gets a shot.

Theres no point putting him on 4th line with Parros and May.

Well I am guessing Bert plays 50 games at the most next season, back problems have a habit of returning.

Getzlaf and Perry made the team initially, but stumbled at the NHL level. Getzlaf and Perry then were sent down to Portland where they decimated the opposition in the AHL. They had to be promoted back to the NHL level. Even then, they were limited to minutes.

So Ryan hasn't shown the same talent that Getz and Perry demonstrated individually in the junior levels nor does Ryan have someone paired with him to share the growing pains and joys. I would be surprised to see Ryan at the NHL level on a consistency. If Ryan had the chance to stay with the team, then he would have demonstrated that during the playoffs and been able to stick with the team throughout. Let the boy grow.

In the junior level Getzlaf was widely criticized, especially his last season. Bobby is very very talented he has some holes but those are fixable.

As an Attack season ticket holder I have to say you guys have one hell of a prospect so I hope you guys don't mess him up... I'm still haunted by Jamie Storr...

Anyway, the guy is so good with the puck, and can dominate the game with his big body, yet has soft hands and excellent playmaking ability... Obviously his skating needs improvement, but it makes sense for him to spend a year in the A and get a cup of coffee in the NHL before he joins your team, especially considering your cap situation and the way your top 6 is right now with or without Selanne.

In the junior level Getzlaf was widely criticized, especially his last season. Bobby is very very talented he has some holes but those are fixable.

Yeah, I was going to say... Getzlaf wasn't exactly touted as an incredible talent. Not to the degree that he's being seen at in the NHL.

Well, the general concensus would suggest that Ryan would play in the AHL come next season but it depends on whether or not he has a good training camp.