Rumor? Dustin Penner signed to 3 year deal

Atleast according to this and Doug doesn't post bogus stuff..

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=7990

wasn't there a closed thread with all that "inside info" and sources?

"Parros, the most popular healthy scratch the league has seen in quite some time, signed a two-year contract. "

:biglaugh:

wasn't Penner a RFA?

wasn't Penner a RFA?

Yeppers! :)

If this rumor is true, than it is an excellent signing. Perfect amount with a perfect amount of years to complement it. :)

Looks like my source was correct.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=382782 (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=382782)

Looks like the kid line and the checking line are back -- now get to work on the McDonald line !!!

Looks like the kid line and the checking line are back -- now get to work on the McDonald line !!!

And the Giguere line.

The way I understand it...he signed the deal but it needed approval from the NHL and NHLPA before it was confirmed.

now get to work on the McDonald line !!!

Both Kunitz and Macdonald are signed. Only Teemu is unsigned and i don't think there's too much work to be done if he decides to come back. Teemu says a reasonable number and Burke says ok. Probably similar to this year but with a higher base salary and smaller bonuses.

Penner is worth about $2.3M per year while Getz made $714k and Perry made $684k?

No arbitration, no argument, just take the suitcase of money from Burke?

Hmm ....

Penner is worth about $2.3M per year while Getz made $714k and Perry made $684k?

No arbitration, no argument, just take the suitcase of money from Burke?

Hmm ....

It pretty much goes without saying that Getzlaf and Perry will receive healthy raises when their entry level deals expire.

The PPG line could be worth $9-mil. after '07-'08.
The checking line will be worth $4.3-mil.
McDonald and Kunitz will be worth maybe $5.5-mil.
Marchant, $2.6-mil.
Pronger, Niedermayer, and Beauchemin will be worth $14.7-mil.
Jiggy? $5.5-million?

13 core players, $41.6-mil.

The PPG line could be worth $9-mil. after '07-'08.
The checking line will be worth $4.3-mil.
McDonald and Kunitz will be worth maybe $5.5-mil.
Marchant, $2.6-mil.
Pronger, Niedermayer, and Beauchemin will be worth $14.7-mil.
Jiggy? $5.5-million?

13 core players, $41.6-mil.

That's reasonable, and not a problem. The rest of the team will propably be AHL-pluggers and prospects on entry-level contracts.

08-09 roster:

P-P-G
Kunitz-Mcdonald-Ryan
Checkers
Enforcer-Marchant-Plugger

Nieds-Beauch
Prongs-Huskins
Mitera/Mikkelson-Plugger

Giguere.
Hiller

Thats something like 45 mil.

i think 07-08 will be last year of Marchant's contract though.

The checking line will be worth $4.3-mil.


It won't be popular, but you trade one of these guys. Basically take the Colorado route and identify which are the 'core' guys and trade the other to another team who covets a vet with a Cup on his resume. Buy low and sell high.

Its too bad Rob Niedermayer is complicated by Scott. He's the guy I'd trade without that string attached. Given that, I'd really look at moving Marchant instead.

And before you jump on me, I love having both guys on my team. But to maintain the team as a championship contender you have to make hard choices. Maybe not this summer, but certainly next.

Nieds-Beauch
Prongs-Huskins
Mitera/Mikkelson-Plugger



In 08-09 Niedermayer won't be able to play 34 minutes a game. He looked bad doing it this year any time it happened a few games in a row. They need to start thinking about improving the #4 and #5 guy to account for the top two losing a step.

Someone has to say it... Braincramp: 1, mods: 0 ;)

Sorry to the mod in question :). I know that you were just doing your job, but the accuracy of the deal suggests that they did negotiate during the Playoffs. It may be board rules, but I don't feel that threads like that should be closed, at least not from respected posters.

i think 07-08 will be last year of Marchant's contract though.

Signed thru '08-'09. Hard contract to move.

It won't be popular, but you trade one of these guys. Basically take the Colorado route and identify which are the 'core' guys and trade the other to another team who covets a vet with a Cup on his resume. Buy low and sell high.

Its too bad Rob Niedermayer is complicated by Scott. He's the guy I'd trade without that string attached. Given that, I'd really look at moving Marchant instead.

And before you jump on me, I love having both guys on my team. But to maintain the team as a championship contender you have to make hard choices. Maybe not this summer, but certainly next.

Why move anybody? The cap is going up and profits are up. Those guys' contracts are set for the next two years, no reason to move any of them. Plus after next year a lot of things will change. If Teemu plays this year, he more than definitely won't play after that so his contract will be off the books. Kunie has one more year left and as much as I love Kunie, I can see Burke letting him walk.

That line is as important to this team as any other and maybe even more so. Considering how crucial they are, we've got them at a bargain.

Why move anybody? The cap is going up and profits are up. Those guys' contracts are set for the next two years, no reason to move any of them.

Same reason O'Brien got traded, depth plus a high return equals good trade.

In trading Marchant you open the door for Carter or Brent or can sign a mid-level UFA to be the fourth line center. In trading Niedermayer, a guy like Drew Miller would get a shot.

Also, the cap doesn't necessarily equate to the budget.

Plus after next year a lot of things will change. If Teemu plays this year, he more than definitely won't play after that so his contract will be off the books. Kunie has one more year left and as much as I love Kunie, I can see Burke letting him walk.

Selanne's money go to will pay Getzlaf and Perry in their next contract. Both are looking at 2-3 million.

Kunitz has a bargain contract, but if he does walk you still need a top 6 forward.

That line is as important to this team as any other and maybe even more so. Considering how crucial they are, we've got them at a bargain.

Would the wheels fall of the bus if the line became Miller-Pahlsson-Moen. Not at all, the Ducks would keep rolling along.

I don't think anybody thinks for a second they can keep this team together for more than 2-3 years. This team has so much talent it's going to get expensive very fast. At the same time, what is truly important? Winning the cup or making a good trade? You just don't downgrade your team when within the cup window, even if the return would be better down the line. When Scotty Nied's contract is up, reload the team around Pronger and Getzlaf. For now, pull out all the stops to win.

Edit. And you must be kidding me about Miller and Rob being interchangeable. Robbie was a monster all playoffs.

Yeah i'm sorry but Drew Miller is nowhere near Rob Niedermayer, he always performs in the playoffs I can't see Burke breaking up the best checking line in hockey.

I concur about Robbie being a monster in the playoffs, not to mention how solid he was the whole season. Drew Miller might turn out to be a regular NHLer, maybe. But Robbie is a bona fide checking forward. There's no pressure to alter that line right now. In fact, there's no pressure to altar that line until their contracts are up (which coincidentally is at the same time).

The only player that, if push comes to shove, needs to be moved would be Marchant and that won't even be until after next season. Marchy is awesome but his spot could be filled, albeit not nearly as well, with a cheaper, younger option. So say Getzy and Corey have big years and command huge raises than Todd will probably have to go. But this year we're solid, even if we retain Jiggy and Teemu. The only cap casualty for this coming season might be OD. Unless he takes at least 25% paycut he's probably gone. OD is great but he'll probably decline in performance each year here on out and he might try to seek a long-term deal somewhere else (ala Ruslan Salei).

Just to clarify... the rumor about Penner is not true. I didn't read the whole thread closely so if someone already mentioned this then i'm sorry.

Someone has to say it... Braincramp: 1, mods: 0 ;)

Sorry to the mod in question :). I know that you were just doing your job, but the accuracy of the deal suggests that they did negotiate during the Playoffs. It may be board rules, but I don't feel that threads like that should be closed, at least not from respected posters.

I will eat crow and live with it. lol However, I was just following the rules. But I'm sure that's what many Nazi guards said at those concentration camps.

No biggie. I was just trying to pass along some interesting news; I should have posted it on the Rumors thread. And what does "Arbeit macht frei" mean, anyway?

And what does "Arbeit macht frei" mean, anyway?
Work will set you free / work sets you free.

Those nazi guards were sick. They would not only lock threads based on ruomors on HitlersFuture.com, they would shoot the one responsible for that rumor.

Just to clarify... the rumor about Penner is not true. I didn't read the whole thread closely so if someone already mentioned this then i'm sorry.

here we go again

Doug Stolhand is pretty legit. Doensn't the guy write for NHL.com?

No, he does the Puck Podcast. I really don't know about this one. Hope Penner stays but yeah, we might need Teemu's salary if he does decide to call it quits.

I'm sure it's right. A lot of signings seemed to have leaked out before officially announced and now this is whole separate source reporting this. That and the contract sounds right.

I'm going with Braincamp/Wildcat on this one.

I concur about Robbie being a monster in the playoffs, not to mention how solid he was the whole season. Drew Miller might turn out to be a regular NHLer, maybe. But Robbie is a bona fide checking forward. There's no pressure to alter that line right now. In fact, there's no pressure to altar that line until their contracts are up (which coincidentally is at the same time).

The only player that, if push comes to shove, needs to be moved would be Marchant and that won't even be until after next season. Marchy is awesome but his spot could be filled, albeit not nearly as well, with a cheaper, younger option. So say Getzy and Corey have big years and command huge raises than Todd will probably have to go. But this year we're solid, even if we retain Jiggy and Teemu. The only cap casualty for this coming season might be OD. Unless he takes at least 25% paycut he's probably gone. OD is great but he'll probably decline in performance each year here on out and he might try to seek a long-term deal somewhere else (ala Ruslan Salei).
I think we have the potential to have a kickass 4th line next year if Selanne returns and we sign a top six LW

?-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Getzlaf-Perry
Moen-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
Kunitz-Marchant-?(Thornton/May/Miller/Ryan?)

Having a good 4th line next year will be huge that way we can monitor the top 3 lines minutes easier. Of course if Kunitz is on the first line I won't complain as long as Teemu is back, but getting some depth this off-season is huge, ideally guys hungry for a cup to help keep the room motivated.

I think we have the potential to have a kickass 4th line next year if Selanne returns and we sign a top six LW

?-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Getzlaf-Perry
Moen-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
Kunitz-Marchant-?(Thornton/May/Miller/Ryan?)

Having a good 4th line next year will be huge that way we can monitor the top 3 lines minutes easier. Of course if Kunitz is on the first line I won't complain as long as Teemu is back, but getting some depth this off-season is huge, ideally guys hungry for a cup to help keep the room motivated.

I actually liked Kunitz on the first line, he was the most physical player on that line and seemed to have good chemistry with Selanne and Andy.

I remember a lot of us putting Kunitz on the 3rd or 4th line before this season started (except for TheJoeMan), but I think its safe to say that he played an important role on that first line. That being said, we have to wait for Teemu's decision before making any changes.

I think we have the potential to have a kickass 4th line next year if Selanne returns and we sign a top six LW

?-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Getzlaf-Perry
Moen-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
Kunitz-Marchant-?(Thornton/May/Miller/Ryan?)

Having a good 4th line next year will be huge that way we can monitor the top 3 lines minutes easier. Of course if Kunitz is on the first line I won't complain as long as Teemu is back, but getting some depth this off-season is huge, ideally guys hungry for a cup to help keep the room motivated.

Yeah I'd keep Kunitz on 1st line and put penner on the 4th. I think just about anyone w/ decent size (May Thornton... even Parros) could do well with the kids and Marchant/Penner would give us a legitimate 3rd scoring line to go w/ the checking line. If we can sign another top 6 forward, great, but i'd rather use that money to re-sign giguere and improve our defensive depth... i don't like niedermayer & pronger playing 30 minutes during regular season again.

What acquiring Brad May proved is you need a fourth-liner to play on the fourth line. Someone cheap but has a lot of heart and plays with a lot of grit. Basically if Brad May doesn't re-up, we need another, maybe younger version of him on the fourth line.

Kunie was great on the top line and his pressence was sorely missed during his time he was out in the playoffs. If Teemu comes back or not I think Kunie is still on that line with Mac. But even if Teemu comes back I think the PPG line will become our top line next year anyhow.

?-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Getzlaf-Perry
Moen-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
Kunitz-Marchant-?(Thornton/May/Miller/Ryan?)


Where's Parros? I heard that 'stache has signed to 2 year deal? :handclap:

Where's Parros? I heard that 'stache has signed to 2 year deal? :handclap:

He's a "4th line as necessary" guy just like this year, which means he deserves to be one of those slash guys too.

The salary's high given the team's scale. Look at what Kunitz and Beauchemin were signed for, and both were coming off better years than Big Pens last year. Yes, he scored 29 goals, but he still has a lot of holes in his game. Granted, in three years, this contract could look amazingly good.

I don't think anybody thinks for a second they can keep this team together for more than 2-3 years. This team has so much talent it's going to get expensive very fast. At the same time, what is truly important? Winning the cup or making a good trade?

"But to maintain the team as a championship contender you have to make hard choices. Maybe not this summer, but certainly next."

When Scotty Nied's contract is up, reload the team around Pronger and Getzlaf. For now, pull out all the stops to win.

"Reload" is just another term for sucking for a few years while you build back up. The point should be not needing to reload, eg maintain a high level.

Edit. And you must be kidding me about Miller and Rob being interchangeable. Robbie was a monster all playoffs.

Never said that. But the team is good enough to make it a non-issue. They lost Marchant to an extended injury and didn't miss a beat. As soon as Marchant came back they lost Kunitz and again didn't miss a beat.

"But to maintain the team as a championship contender you have to make hard choices. Maybe not this summer, but certainly next."



"Reload" is just another term for sucking for a few years while you build back up. The point should be not needing to reload, eg maintain a high level.



Never said that. But the team is good enough to make it a non-issue. They lost Marchant to an extended injury and didn't miss a beat. As soon as Marchant came back they lost Kunitz and again didn't miss a beat.

I don't agree with that. I think Marchant' absence was huge, losing such a good defensive hurt us to the point of not playing our 4th line for the last 1/2 of the season.

And did you notice how much better the 4th line was once he was centering it again... I don't know why Marchant is so undervalued.

I don't agree with that. I think Marchant' absence was huge, losing such a good defensive hurt us to the point of not playing our 4th line for the last 1/2 of the season.

And did you notice how much better the 4th line was once he was centering it again... I don't know why Marchant is so undervalued.


The 4th line without Marchant wasnt very effective for sure, but if Miller and Carter are ready in then I could see them moving Todd. He'd be a valuable asset to another team looking for a 3rd line center, who can move up to the top 2 lines if necessary.

I agree though Marchant is undervalued.

I will eat crow and live with it. lol However, I was just following the rules. But I'm sure that's what many Nazi guards said at those concentration camps.Yeah, I know how that works and that you were just doing your job. I'm glad that you took it as friendly ribbing, as it was intended.

I don't agree with that. I think Marchant' absence was huge, losing such a good defensive hurt us to the point of not playing our 4th line for the last 1/2 of the season.

And did you notice how much better the 4th line was once he was centering it again... I don't know why Marchant is so undervalued.

You can balance that with wingers better than Shannon and Parros. Keeping May and getting a guy that can play hockey better than big George would have been near the top of my TODO list.

What is the deal? Did Penner get signed, or is it just a rumor that he signed for 3 years?

What is the deal? Did Penner get signed, or is it just a rumor that he signed for 3 years?

bump.. Has it been confirmed yet?

Its done...it just hasn't been announced yet

I actually liked Kunitz on the first line, he was the most physical player on that line and seemed to have good chemistry with Selanne and Andy.

I remember a lot of us putting Kunitz on the 3rd or 4th line before this season started (except for TheJoeMan), but I think its safe to say that he played an important role on that first line. That being said, we have to wait for Teemu's decision before making any changes.
yes but during the playoffs we could not get any mileage out of the 4th line. And it's not a normal 4th line it's still going to play plenty of minutes, during the off season the 4th line has to be a point of emphasis we need a guy who can hit and score goals, that's why I pegged Kunitz there but like I said I wouldn't mind him on the first either if Selanne comes back.

What is the deal? Did Penner get signed, or is it just a rumor that he signed for 3 years?
It's not on file with the NHL as of the 19th - but that could just be a processing issue with Central Registry or they may have some other reason for not filing it yet.

And the Giguere line.

andc the blueline

still no word, what's going on with this?

still no word, what's going on with this?
Probably had to take a back seat to the Jiggy signing...