Jiggy doesn't want to be the highest paid goalie

mmbt
06-11-2007, 01:29 PM
Sounds like he'll test the market, but will probably stay as long as we offer him fair value. Which wouldn't be surprising since he did take a little less last time rather than hold out for every last cent. Paul Kariya he's not.

"I don't want to be the highest-paid goalie in this league," said Giguere, who made $3.99 million this season. "I don't think I deserve that. There's a lot of goalies that are better than me. But I think there's a market there and you've got to respect the market too. I have to do it for the other goalies, and I have to do it for myself."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ducks11jun11,1,5388849.story?coll=la-headlines-sports

caliamad
06-11-2007, 01:34 PM
Yeah I get the feeling he knows he's in a good situation and he just want to get close to market value. I think if they offered him between 5.25-5.5 million he'll resign.

The length maybe an issue though. I don't see burke signing him more than 3 years since everyone else is around 2 years at most.

Bank Shot
06-11-2007, 01:59 PM
Luongo-6.75
Khabibulin-6.75
Turco-5.7
Vokoun-5.7
Kolzig-5.45
Nabokov-5.375

I didn't include Brodeur because he's on a 7 year contract which isn't too likely.

Considering the rising cap I'd say market value for a goaltender like Giguere is about $5.5-6.0+.

His comments make it sound like he isn't looking to sign for below market value.

Davey Duck
06-11-2007, 02:46 PM
My biggest worry is the Kings. They can probably offer him more than us and makes it so he doesn't have to move if that is his concern. Hopefully he really just wants to stay with the Ducks and not neccesailry just be able to keep his SoCal home.

TheJoeMan
06-11-2007, 02:47 PM
But will he really turn down that kind of money? I think he is just being modest in regards what he thinks he deserves. But if Tampa, Florida or Detroit offer him over 6 mil do any you think he'll actually say no if the Ducks aren't offering as much? I sure hope so but I say I'm confident he will.

TheJoeMan
06-11-2007, 02:52 PM
My biggest worry is the Kings. They can probably offer him more than us and makes it so he doesn't have to move if that is his concern. Hopefully he really just wants to stay with the Ducks and not neccesailry just be able to keep his SoCal home.

They can't afford him though. They first have to do something with Cloutier and even then they won't have a lot of room to work with considering they have many other areas for improvement too. Sean Burke proved they just need adequate goaltending to be competitive. They need a play-making, two-way center that can log minutes on the PP and PK (Chris Drury) and a d-man that can QB their anemic PP (Sourray or Rafalski). If they break the bank on a goalie like Jiggy, they may take a huge step backwards.

That and Jiggy knows LA is where goalies go to die and he is smart enough to avoid that situation. :D

FissionFire
06-11-2007, 03:05 PM
His value won't be set until free agency starts. If a team out there offers his a 4-5yr deal at 7M-7.5M per year, that sets the market. Under those conditions he'd probably resign in Anaheim for a 5yr/6.75M per contract.

Tfighter
06-11-2007, 03:11 PM
I personally think its alright for Giggy to go. He's a great goaltender but i dont want to resign him that will handcuff the ducks future. By that i mean, if Getzlaf, Perry and Penner will ever get in to the Patrice Bergeron category (young players getting paid the big bucks). In addition, i see Bryz being a very capable goalie. We can use the extra money to grab, perferably, a solid defensemen.

Joe Canada
06-11-2007, 04:05 PM
In addition, i see Bryz being a very capable goalie. We can use the extra money to grab, perferably, a solid defensemen.

This is exactly what everybody said last summer, except instead of defensive needs, it was scoring to replace Lupul. We hung onto Giguere and did fine, I'd say.

Duck Fan
06-11-2007, 04:13 PM
Luongo-6.75
Khabibulin-6.75
Turco-5.7
Vokoun-5.7
Kolzig-5.45
Nabokov-5.375

Considering the rising cap I'd say market value for a goaltender like Giguere is about $5.5-6.0+.

His comments make it sound like he isn't looking to sign for below market value.

Jiggy is better than Khabibulin, Turco, Kolzig and Nabokov. I'm not sure about Vokoun. Certainly an offer below 6 million, IMHO, is a slap in his face.

lux_interior
06-11-2007, 04:28 PM
Yeah, I got the impression that Giggy will re-sign as long as the deal is reasonably close to market value. He also said that he needs to do this for other goalies. Like other ppl have said, the main sticking point will probably be the term of the contract. I don't see him getting more than 3 years.

Rickety Cricket
06-11-2007, 04:37 PM
i dont think giguere should be the highest paid goalie, he's a great goalie, but not the best. the kings might pose a big problem because they have a lot of cap room, and this is probably giguere's best chance to get a big pay day to really make sure his family will be finacially secure in retirement. the ducks brass need to make a descion, if giguere wants to sign for around 4.5-5 i can see him coming back, but if he wants more the ducks have bryzgalov, who if he can get his consistancy down, he'd be a good starter and have signed jonas hillar, who is considered to be one of the better european goalies

Vulak
06-12-2007, 01:05 AM
I'd assume Giguere is going to get 6 +/- millions from open market. He's top of cream and someone will pay that to get him.

I hope its not us tho as I wouldnt want us to spend that much cash on goalie, rather save it or spend it on cheaper players. I wouldnt mind spending 6 millions to get Ryan Smyth either. =) I would be confident to our goalies if we went into season with Bryzgalov+Miller combo.

ktulu98
06-12-2007, 03:02 AM
do you think we really need some strenghtening?
if teemu will not retire, we need maybe 1 solid D man, but I think jackman can stay and play as our 5th,6th Dman
and than we can give jiggy what he is asking for..
there would be no need for player like smyth

if teemu will retire, we need at least 35+ goal scorer and than we can't much afford jiggy 6+M salary or even that we can promote PPG line to our 1st line, andy mac to 2nd line with some solid 2line RW and keep jiggy


really Im not confident in bryz in net as our #1 goalie to play more than 60 games

bleuer
06-12-2007, 05:47 AM
really Im not confident in bryz in net as our #1 goalie to play more than 60 games

I don't really want him to play much more than 30...


edit: a bit OT...how long does it take for my Infraction to be erased again?

ktulu98
06-12-2007, 07:18 AM
I don't really want him to play much more than 30...

+1

Hank
06-12-2007, 11:11 AM
I don't really want him to play much more than 30...


+2

Joe Canada
06-12-2007, 11:25 AM
I'm still shaking my head because I see people who continue to surmise that 4.5-5 million is a reasonable figure, and if it's any more, Giguere should be considered expendable. He made 4 million this year, is $500K really enough of a raise when you just won the Cup?

And to the people that suggest it's too much to spend on a goalie, I have to wonder if these are the same people who thought that Giguere's salary entering 2006-07 was too much. I conjecture that teams who would rather spend less money on more players (quantity over quality) are the ones packing up prior to May. The rest of the teams are the ones competing for the Cup in the spring.

caliamad
06-12-2007, 01:31 PM
I think he'd take 5.5 but Burke is offering 5.

I think the biggest sticking point will be the length. I don't think Burke will want to tie up his assets more than 3 years, and Jiggy will easily get 5 years on the open market.

TheJoeMan
06-12-2007, 02:49 PM
I think he'd take 5.5 but Burke is offering 5.

I think the biggest sticking point will be the length. I don't think Burke will want to tie up his assets more than 3 years, and Jiggy will easily get 5 years on the open market.

Burke has got to be offering more than 5 because Jiggy will easily get more than that on the open market.

caliamad
06-12-2007, 05:59 PM
true but i think if jiggy want him to match the market he'll let him go.

I think the highest burke will go is 5.5 and thats assuming its a shorter (3 year) deal.

Bjindaho
06-12-2007, 07:26 PM
5.7 per for two years would be nice.

Any chance Burke could be convinced to bring Kariya in if the price was right and it would bring Selanne back. That might be the only to prevent Teemu from retiring on top. (on top and with one of your best friends in the world)

Lyons71
06-12-2007, 07:34 PM
5.7 per for two years would be nice.

Any chance Burke could be convinced to bring Kariya in if the price was right and it would bring Selanne back. That might be the only to prevent Teemu from retiring on top. (on top and with one of your best friends in the world)

NO on Kariya. Unless he takes 500k and plays on the fourth line, then maybe.

mmbt
06-12-2007, 09:20 PM
NO on Kariya. Unless he takes 500k and plays on the fourth line, then maybe.

I wouldn't even want him on the 4th line. Maybe he could be a stickboy or something.

mouser
06-12-2007, 09:46 PM
While Jiggy is the far and away #1 UFA goalie this offseason, there really don't seem to be that many teams out there prepared to back the dump truck up to his porch. It sounds like Hasek is going back to Detroit. Phoenix and Tampa are unlikely to have or spend that kind of money on him. Florida is the most obvious threat to go after him.

If I were a Ducks fan that wanted to keep him I'd be rooting for the NHLPA to waive the 5% cap booster again so teams that will spend to the cap like Toronto and Boston don't come into play.

snarktacular
06-13-2007, 03:24 AM
I wouldn't even want him on the 4th line. Maybe he could be a stickboy or something.
I wouldn't want him as the stick boy if it means he might get to raise the cup.

Muzzfan
06-17-2007, 03:17 PM
I listened to Burke be interviewed on Hacksaw just now. I'm a Kings fan here, not an ounce of me is in favor of the Ducks.

Burke said his payroll will come between 42 and 44 million next year and that he'd like to keep his team together. I looked at the numbers and think that caliamad has it right.... 5.5 is the max that Burke will go.

Burke also said that the figure and term had to be good for his club. He said that he could separate the business side in his negotiations. I have a feeling you'll all end up with Giguere in net again. I wonder if you'll have Selanne and S. Niedermayer moreso.

Congrats on the Cup victory.

Muzzfan

Go_Krog
06-17-2007, 04:59 PM
was thinking about the situation a little bit, and although he is without a doubt the best goalie on the market this year, i dont think there will be a lot of buyers, especially with hasek resigning.

phoenix, st louis, and florida (maybe, their board is saying belfour is likely back) are the only real buyers i can think of. everyone else is either set in net, or no cap room.

i could see any of those 3 teams deciding to let Anaheim take the larger contract with Giguere and try and trade for Bryz or Fernandez.

all i can hope for is that Giguere is back at a reasonable price. a contract wiht a cap hit of $5.7 (same as turco) would be ideal.

wildcat48
06-17-2007, 05:51 PM
If Burke has a budget at 44m with a salary cap @ 52m....I have a hard time thinking it will be difficult to re-sign Giguere at 5.5m-6.0m. He's going to command at least what Luongo is earning at 6.75m and maybe more.

With that said it would appear that Bryzgalov is opening his mouth again, firing the first shot over the bow of the USS Brian Burke.

"I am sure that either I or Giguere will be leaving the club soon, since Anaheim have signed a strong Swiss keeper, Jonas Hiller," said Bryzgalov. "Giguere had a nice season, and I think Anaheim can sign him.

"Though I have an existing contract with the Ducks ($1.8 million for '07-'08), and I have proven I deserve to be on the team, I am not the one who will decide. It all depends on our general manager, Brian Burke."

Ilya Bryzgalov expects to be gone (http://english.sport-express.ru/summary/1_1410/)

Who expects that Bryzgalov will say he was misquoted by the Russian media....:shakehead

Snap Wilson
06-17-2007, 06:19 PM
If Burke has a budget at 44m with a salary cap @ 52m....I have a hard time thinking it will be difficult to re-sign Giguere at 5.5m-6.0m. He's going to command at least what Luongo is earning at 6.75m and maybe more.

With that said it would appear that Bryzgalov is opening his mouth again, firing the first shot over the bow of the USS Brian Burke.



Ilya Bryzgalov expects to be gone (http://http://english.sport-express.ru/summary/1_1410/)

Who expects that Bryzgalov will say he was misquoted by the Russian media....:shakehead

That link doesn't go anywhere.

In any event, he's at least not saying what Brian Burke wants to do, but rather his own thoughts on what will happen.

But Bryz needs to follow Don Corleone's advice and not tell anyone outside the family what he's thinking. I can't tell if the kid lacks self-confidence or he just likes talking to the press.

TheJoeMan
06-18-2007, 12:02 AM
That link doesn't go anywhere.

In any event, he's at least not saying what Brian Burke wants to do, but rather his own thoughts on what will happen.

But Bryz needs to follow Don Corleone's advice and not tell anyone outside the family what he's thinking. I can't tell if the kid lacks self-confidence or he just likes talking to the press.

No, he's just oblivious to media scrutiny. In fact, he's a pretty weird bird all together. He totally speaks his mind but doesn't have an ego. He's really smart but kind of naive too. I seriously think he doesn't realize what kind of weight the things he says have. Oh well, his interviews crack me up.

bleuer
06-18-2007, 12:58 AM
Johnas Heeler

Lol...it's Jonas Hiller :D

Kimi
06-18-2007, 08:33 AM
If Burke has a budget at 44m with a salary cap @ 52m....I have a hard time thinking it will be difficult to re-sign Giguere at 5.5m-6.0m. He's going to command at least what Luongo is earning at 6.75m and maybe more.

With that said it would appear that Bryzgalov is opening his mouth again, firing the first shot over the bow of the USS Brian Burke.



Ilya Bryzgalov expects to be gone (http://english.sport-express.ru/summary/1_1410/)

Who expects that Bryzgalov will say he was misquoted by the Russian media....:shakehead
You see, I've not got any problem with what's been said here. He's just saying what we've been saying for ages. I'll never understand why telling people what you think is a bad thing. If he said anything else then I would call him an idiot.

Davey Duck
06-18-2007, 12:06 PM
You see, I've not got any problem with what's been said here. He's just saying what we've been saying for ages. I'll never understand why telling people what you think is a bad thing. If he said anything else then I would call him an idiot.

Exactly. You want your backup saying he thinks he can be our #1 guy. It's much better than eternal backups who never push themselves to be starter.

mmbt
06-18-2007, 12:28 PM
Exactly. You want your backup saying he thinks he can be our #1 guy.

No, you want your backup THINKING he can be the #1 guy, but that doesn't mean he has to say it to a reporter for public consumption.

190Octane
06-18-2007, 03:54 PM
No, you want your backup THINKING he can be the #1 guy, but that doesn't mean he has to say it to a reporter for public consumption.

I'm not really pissed about this though. The writing is pretty much on the wall in this case unlike last off-season.

BDubinskyNYR17*
06-18-2007, 04:00 PM
My biggest worry is the Kings. They can probably offer him more than us and makes it so he doesn't have to move if that is his concern. Hopefully he really just wants to stay with the Ducks and not neccesailry just be able to keep his SoCal home.

I think he has a better chance to win with the ducks and will take a hometown discout.

Randall Graves*
06-18-2007, 09:09 PM
take it for what it's worth but Eklund posted on his blog that it's 'more likely' JS will sign before the draft.

wildcat48
06-18-2007, 11:05 PM
I've heard the same thing. Should be done by the draft.

Also to add I'm hear the contract to be in the area of 3yrs @ 19.2 million.

Sam Beckett
06-18-2007, 11:17 PM
6.4 yr. sounds good to me.. more than fair for a Stanley cup winning goalie.. :D

Ducksforcup
06-18-2007, 11:30 PM
That is a fair bit of money. Still, I know that he deserves it. :) JIGGY!

Now that Burke (supposedly) is offering this amount of money, I have to think that possibly some money got freed up from another source. (Retirement(s)) I hope that is not the case, but 6.4 million is 900K over what Burkey wanted.

Hollander
06-18-2007, 11:49 PM
That is a fair bit of money. Still, I know that he deserves it. :) JIGGY!

Now that Burke (supposedly) is offering this amount of money, I have to think that possibly some money got freed up from another source. (Retirement(s)) I hope that is not the case, but 6.4 million is 900K over what Burkey wanted.

Love your avatar! Awesome picture :yo:

Snap Wilson
06-18-2007, 11:59 PM
Wildcat's usually solid, but I'm skeptical. If Giguere and his agent accept a deal for only three years, I'll be ****ing astounded. I mean astounded. I just can't fathom that.

Then again, I have no idea how the hell Burke got Bryz to ink a two-year deal when he could have been a UFA this offseason.

Ducksforcup
06-19-2007, 12:07 AM
Love your avatar! Awesome picture :yo:

:win::hockey::vhappy:It was posted in the HHOF Blog thread that is stickied. COOLNESS! :yo:

It is really bad quality, but the better quality image wouldn't fit and MS Paint is rather limited in what it can do (though I love it... :D).

Randall Graves*
06-19-2007, 02:59 AM
Wildcat's usually solid, but I'm skeptical. If Giguere and his agent accept a deal for only three years, I'll be ****ing astounded. I mean astounded. I just can't fathom that.

Then again, I have no idea how the hell Burke got Bryz to ink a two-year deal when he could have been a UFA this offseason.
Ditto, the yearly is a bit high but if it's for 3 years that is probably better than say a five year deal. Does anyone know what the payroll would be if this happens?(And subtracting Bryz's salary via trade makes this type of figure possible)

Mooseduck
06-19-2007, 04:21 AM
The Ducks would be in perfect position if the Kings sign him at $7M a season for four years. That would be great for Anaheim.

C'mon Kings lunkheads - we want a dynasty!!!

Glovehand high - GOAL!!!

iLau
06-19-2007, 04:51 AM
The Ducks would be in perfect position if the Kings sign him at $7M a season for four years. That would be great for Anaheim.

C'mon Kings lunkheads - we want a dynasty!!!

Glovehand high - GOAL!!!

Huh?

cmcdmania
06-19-2007, 03:27 PM
:win::hockey::vhappy:It was posted in the HHOF Blog thread that is stickied. COOLNESS! :yo:

It is really bad quality, but the better quality image wouldn't fit and MS Paint is rather limited in what it can do (though I love it... :D).

I can help you out: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9122/niedscupup1.jpg

Ducksforcup
06-19-2007, 05:31 PM
I can help you out: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9122/niedscupup1.jpg

:bow: Beautiful.

Randall Graves*
06-20-2007, 02:42 AM
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=8095

I'm on my way out the door but wanted to pass along information that will back-up what Ek has already reported. I met up with J.S. Giguere today and while he cannot disclose information about his negotiations with the Ducks I left the conversation very confident that he will re-sign with Anaheim.

wildcat48
06-20-2007, 04:14 AM
Ditto, the yearly is a bit high but if it's for 3 years that is probably better than say a five year deal. Does anyone know what the payroll would be if this happens?(And subtracting Bryz's salary via trade makes this type of figure possible)

That's the exact reason why it's three years and not five years. Originally, both would have liked a long term deal, but the money would have been outrageous - something like 31m to 36m so they back tracked on the number of years and now it's a case of fine tuning. If the hell doesn't freeze over I can't see why this isn't done by the end of this weekend.

As for Bryzgalov.....I am not so sure he'll get moved. His salary is prime right now for the Ducks and if they did deal him they would have to fine another goalie. Now I know many have mentioned Hiller, but I don't believe he will be in Anaheim this year. First, his cap hit is 3.2m and if Giguere gets the expected 6.4m that means close to 10m will spent just on the goaltending tandem. Especially if Giguere is going to get his normal number of starts pending injuries.

If they do trade him, I think the Ducks will bring in somebody else. I know they have been speaking to Esche's agent and have shown some interest there.

If not, they may just keep him and then deal him in a year for draft picks to a team that will sign him to a UFA deal and then bring up Hiller, McKee or who knows maybe LaVasseur will be ready.

Randall Graves*
06-20-2007, 04:25 AM
But why sign Hiller if he has a cap number you don't really want on the roster? especially with the glut of goaltending, remember while his cap hit is 3.2 it's what he actually makes that will determine his spot with the self imposed cap.

So say while he has a cap hold of 3.2 the Ducks may only have to pay him 1.2 or whatever it is he's due to make. If the team was close to the cap that might impact the decision more imo.

Snap Wilson
06-20-2007, 09:12 AM
That's the exact reason why it's three years and not five years. Originally, both would have liked a long term deal, but the money would have been outrageous - something like 31m to 36m so they back tracked on the number of years and now it's a case of fine tuning. If the hell doesn't freeze over I can't see why this isn't done by the end of this weekend.

Wildcat, how solid is this information? Give us a wc1 through wc5. :)

I'm not doubting you, and I'm glad that you explained your position on the Niedermayer situation. I trust you a hell of a lot more than I trust Eklund, but then I trust my stool a hell of a lot more than I trust Eklund so that isn't saying much.


Now I know many have mentioned Hiller, but I don't believe he will be in Anaheim this year. First, his cap hit is 3.2m ...

Are you serious? Why would they agree to sign that deal?

Thanks for all the info, WC.

Snap Wilson
06-20-2007, 09:28 AM
But why sign Hiller if he has a cap number you don't really want on the roster?

Good question. And that's a really high cap number for an unproven commodity. That doesn't sound like Burke to me. Where'd you get that number, WC?

Talking with Esche indicates to me that they intend to trade Bryz. If Jiggy is getting re-signed, that's the move that makes sense. He's probably worth a first round pick to some team.

Pepper
06-20-2007, 11:51 AM
I guess it's the same as with McKee, huge bonuses that resulted a huge cap hit despite him playing in the AHL.

But 3.2M cap hit per year?? There's no way he was given that much bonuses.

wildcat48
06-20-2007, 12:55 PM
Wildcat, how solid is this information? Give us a wc1 through wc5. :)

I'm not doubting you, and I'm glad that you explained your position on the Niedermayer situation. I trust you a hell of a lot more than I trust Eklund, but then I trust my stool a hell of a lot more than I trust Eklund so that isn't saying much.




Are you serious? Why would they agree to sign that deal?

Thanks for all the info, WC.

If I had to rate this I would say wc4.....:D

But, my take on Eklund is this. He's not all that bad, he does work extremely hard to make sure he can get the best information. However, at the end of the day he's either a hero or a villain, but in reality he's only as good as his information. That is the same thing with me. I'm only as good as my sources....If they tell me something worth reporting....I will and if not I won't, but in the end it could be bang on correct or I could be left looking like the biggest fool around. That's a risk I have to take when I post and I write an article.

Now back to the goalie situation. Hiller's cap number really is 3.2m....It was a little surprising when I found out too. His base salary is only 850K, but the remaining 2.35m is bonuses, which I am working on to find out what they are exactly and the thresholds are.

wildcat48
06-20-2007, 12:57 PM
I guess it's the same as with McKee, huge bonuses that resulted a huge cap hit despite him playing in the AHL.

But 3.2M cap hit per year?? There's no way he was given that much bonuses.

You win the prize!!:handclap:


That's the big reason...He'll earn his 850K anyway playing in Portland so if they can keep him off the books and playing in the system for this year then I think they will.

Remember they don't lose his rights....He's going to only be an RFA next year so he'll be back and most likely in Anaheim.

soya_sauce_chicken
06-20-2007, 01:52 PM
Jiggy is saying he doesn't want to be a high paid goalie, but he's asking for minimum 6 mil..??

adevandry
06-20-2007, 02:02 PM
They can't afford him though. They first have to do something with Cloutier and even then they won't have a lot of room to work with considering they have many other areas for improvement too. Sean Burke proved they just need adequate goaltending to be competitive. They need a play-making, two-way center that can log minutes on the PP and PK (Chris Drury) and a d-man that can QB their anemic PP (Sourray or Rafalski). If they break the bank on a goalie like Jiggy, they may take a huge step backwards.

That and Jiggy knows LA is where goalies go to die and he is smart enough to avoid that situation. :D

The Kings have more cap room than most teams in the league.

They dumped Norstrom, Conroy, and Sopel last year. Other than Blake (1 year left on his $6M deal), their most expensive player is (I believe) Frolov at around $2.5M.

LA has around $25 million to spend this offseason, not including raises to players like Cammalleri. They can EASILY overpay for Giguere.

If they got Giguere, Cloutier would spend the entire season in Manchester, where he would not count against the cap.

For discussion sake: Briere ($6M), Giguere ($6M), and Hannan ($3.5M) would leave plenty of room for the Kings to re-sign their guys and sign some filler players.

Frolov - Kopitar - Cammalleri
O'Sullivan - Briere - Brown
Willsie - Armstrong - Kostopoulos
Ivanans - Thornton - Zeiler

Blake - Jack Johnson
Visnovsky - Hannan
Miller (most likely re-signed) - Weaver/Dallman/Harrold/Petiot, etc.

Giguere
LaBarbara
Ersberg

And this team still has money to spend.

also, where do you come up with this "PP QB needed"? Visnovsky and Blake are two of the better QBs in the league.

caliamad
06-20-2007, 02:15 PM
I think the talk is that the kings won't be going after a goalie... instead their looking to upgrade their defense. There is talk of making a move w/ Philly and Pitkanen and/or the 2nd overall pick.

I like the Hannan and Briere/Drury idea though, I think they would all be a very good fit and make the team a playoff contender.

I don't think it would be wise for them to spend 7 mil on jiggy though.

It sounds like Burke and Giguere's camp are close. 3 year deal around 5.75 i'm guessing.

adevandry
06-20-2007, 02:23 PM
I think the talk is that the kings won't be going after a goalie... instead their looking to upgrade their defense. There is talk of making a move w/ Philly and Pitkanen and/or the 2nd overall pick.

I like the Hannan and Briere/Drury idea though, I think they would all be a very good fit and make the team a playoff contender.

I don't think it would be wise for them to spend 7 mil on jiggy though.

It sounds like Burke and Giguere's camp are close. 3 year deal around 5.75 i'm guessing.

The 2nd overall pick doesn't make sense for the Kings. They have #4 right now and will probably trade it for a later pick and take a defenseman.

Snap Wilson
06-20-2007, 02:24 PM
Jiggy is saying he doesn't want to be a high paid goalie, but he's asking for minimum 6 mil..??

But he's still not the highest paid goalie! :)

TheJoeMan
06-20-2007, 02:25 PM
also, where do you come up with this "PP QB needed"? Visnovsky and Blake are two of the better QBs in the league.

I watched a lot of Kings games this year and the PP wasn't pretty. Granted, it scored a number of goals but considering how talented Frolov, Cammalleri, Kopitar, Vishnovsky and Brown are, they should have scored a lot more. Blake is over-the-hill and doesn't have his old stuff anymore. Lubo is a great PP weapon but is better suited as a receiver rather than the QB, much like how we use Beauchemin. I think if the Kings add a d-man that can handle that load they could have one of the best PP in the league.

adevandry
06-20-2007, 02:32 PM
I watched a lot of Kings games this year and the PP wasn't pretty. Granted, it scored a number of goals but considering how talented Frolov, Cammalleri, Kopitar, Vishnovsky and Brown are, they should have scored a lot more. Blake is over-the-hill and doesn't have his old stuff anymore. Lubo is a great PP weapon but is better suited as a receiver rather than the QB, much like how we use Beauchemin. I think if the Kings add a d-man that can handle that load they could have one of the best PP in the league.

I don't blame the PP on the defensemen. The forwards couldn't score enough.

caliamad
06-20-2007, 02:46 PM
I actually think it wasn't enough traffic in front of the net.

Guys like Kopitar and Cammileri are terrific cycling the puck but I don't see them paying the price in front of the net like a Perry, Kunitz, Marchant, etc.

Brown seems like the guy to get it done, but don't know if he does it enough.

Randall Graves*
06-20-2007, 07:28 PM
Good question. And that's a really high cap number for an unproven commodity. That doesn't sound like Burke to me. Where'd you get that number, WC?

Talking with Esche indicates to me that they intend to trade Bryz. If Jiggy is getting re-signed, that's the move that makes sense. He's probably worth a first round pick to some team.
Well Bobby Ryan has a cap hit that's about the same, but I don't think the cap hit will determine Hillers spot. If we maintain the 42-44 mil Hillers 'cap number' doesn't mean a whole lot, its what he actually gets paid that will matter to the ducks.

Now if the team was close to the cap that may play a much bigger factor.

If he's the backup to Giguere I think it would be unlikely he makes all his bonus', he may make some but overall he is still affordable IMO.

caliamad
06-20-2007, 09:12 PM
I wonder what the bonus is based off of, but most likely its some stats of those for a #1 goalie.

If Giguere plays the lion share, he most likely won't meet them.

If Giguere gets hurt enough for him to meet them, we'd probably get some salary cap relief to compensate for the bonus.

But the real issue isn't the league's salary cup, but the economic one the ducks use, which is somewhere around 42-44 million.

cmcdmania
06-22-2007, 02:51 AM
"I am sure that either I or Giguere will be leaving the club soon, since Anaheim have signed a strong Swiss keeper, Jonas Hiller," said Bryzgalov. "Giguere had a nice season, and I think Anaheim can sign him.

"Though I have an existing contract with the Ducks ($1.8 million for '07-'08), and I have proven I deserve to be on the team, I am not the one who will decide. It all depends on our general manager, Brian Burke."
So Jiggy's been resigned and there's a big possibility that Bryz will be gone, looks like Bryz was expecting something like that. I'm gonna miss him.

Question though: do we currently have 4 goalies: Jiggy, Bryz, Hiller, & Caron?

Edit: make that 3 (with Bryz) - forgot Caron signed with Switzerland.

snarktacular
06-22-2007, 03:04 AM
So Jiggy's been resigned and there's a big possibility that Bryz will be gone, looks like Bryz was expecting something like that. I'm gonna miss him.

Question though: do we currently have 4 goalies: Jiggy, Bryz, Hiller, & Caron?

Burke said Bryz is pretty much as good as gone. Register article about signing Jiggy: (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/ducks/abox/article_1740197.php)“Ilya Bryzgalov has clearly established that he is capable of starting in the NHL,” Burke said. “I expect him to ask me to find him a new home.”

wildcat48
06-22-2007, 04:06 AM
Anaheim has Giguere, Bryzgalov, Caron, Hiller, McKee, Coleman, LeVasseur

Giguere - Signed Ducks #1 goalie

Bryzgalov - Has a year left on his deal, will most likely be traded.

Caron - Signed in Europe, but the Ducks still own his rights because he's an RFA....He could be brought back.

Hiller - Expected to be #1 goaltender in Portland, but will get a chance to make Anaheim.

McKee - Expected to play in Portland

Coleman and Levasseur - Will be in Augusta.

The Ducks are looking at Esche, MacDonald and Weeks as a possible back-up should they trade Bryzgalov.