if you dont want to get really angry/sad....

then dont turn on NBC in a little while.


ducks up 4-2. seeing Nieds being the first to raise the cup, in another team's jersey, will seriously probably almost make me cry

5-2 now.

Cue the waterworks, he scored that last one.

If there was one team in the league that I didn't want to see win the Cup, it's the Ducks. I'm still hoping, but it'll take a miracle for the Sens to come back.

5-2 now.

Cue the waterworks, he scored that last one.

That was Moen, I think. Neidermayer had the primary assist.

Ah, my bad then.

****ing piece of **** Traitormayer, screw crying, I'm gonna throw up.

Ah, my bad then.

I thought it was him too, at first, the way they were talking. I just double checked, because I though it said it was Moen on the screen, but I could have sworn they said Neidermayer.

haha wow vermette, that was pathetic

I'm going to try to be happy for him.

Emery was terrible tonight.

WOO WOO!!!!! DUCKS!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations Scotty, you deserve it. Super player, super captain.

Terrible...at least its not the Rangers

Remember Claude Lemieux in 1996. Very similar. I like Brian Burke and Dave Farrish used to be a Devils assistant coach. **** Niedermayer and O'Donnell. I hate them both and Selenne.

But Ottawa beat us. **** them too!

You guys are just mad because you know we'd be Ottawa and on the way to the Cup if he was here.

Eh, so does the hockey world forget about Niedermayer's New Jersey career now?

Eh, so does the hockey world forget about Niedermayer's New Jersey career now?

No not until he wins two more in Anaheim.

They just showed Carol Niedermayer and that made me more mad than anything.

There's the dagger.

the way the ottawa defense has played in this game reminds me a lot of the way our defense played in that series

No not until he wins two more in Anaheim.

They just showed Carol Niedermayer and that made me more mad than anything.
Agree. SHE really annoys me.

Hope Nieder gets that Conn Smythe that he was robbed of in 03.

then dont turn on NBC in a little while.


ducks up 4-2. seeing Nieds being the first to raise the cup, in another team's jersey, will seriously probably almost make me cry

Eh. What annoys me the most is that Ottawa, sans the grit guys and Alfredsson (although he didn't do any favors with his "shot"), folded like a cheap suit the first time they were in trouble the whole playoffs.

And we had them on the verge of an epic collapse in Game 1 and got up off them.
Another reason to do things differently from now on. If they had just gone for it and
not worried about matching up and just played free and loose, you never know.

I mean, this game, "collapse" doesn't do it justice. Everything down to the "son of Steve Smith" GWG.

Agree. SHE really annoys me.

At least she isn't your mom. I bet she blows smoke in Scott's face for not letting
Rob touch the Cup first. "BUT YOU WON IT ALREADY!"

This is the way I look at it, he helped us win three cups and we went to the Ducks to help his brother win his first, to me that's pretty noble.

Good for Scotty and his brother.

:rant: ****ing hell, where is the throw up emoticon.

I pray Michelin man doesn't get his 2nd undeserved Smythe.

This is the way I look at it, he helped us win three cups and we went to the Ducks to help his brother win his first, to me that's pretty noble.

Good for Scotty and his brother.

:handclap: Absolutely. I'm pretty damn sure the only reason he went there was to help his brother win a Stanley Cup. If Rob was here he'd never ever leave. Damn you Craig Button.

2 more ****ing years.

The Conn Smythe trophy goes to.....................................NIEDERMAYER !!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

Congrats on your Conn Smythe.

There Are No Hockey Gods, **** Everything. Im Gonna Lose 20 Pounds From Puking.

The Conn Smythe trophy goes to.....................................NIEDERMAYER !!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

I'm happy for him, but it really belongs to Parise. :)

i just threw up a little

At least he got the one he got cheated out of in 2003.

His ******* mother isn't even smiling. God she pisses me off.

Edit: Wow, Bettman annoys me too.

At least the name "Mighty Ducks" won't be on the Cup. Just Ducks.

Cold shiver down my spine, watching him lift the cup.

Form the Flying V!!!!!

Seeing Rob get the Cup 2nd over Selanne pisses me off.

Where's the puking smilie when you need it? Seriously, why the hell did Rob get the Cup second? That should have been Selanne's.

Cold shiver down my spine, watching him lift the cup.

He'll be a Devil again. Mark my words.

Cold shiver down my spine, watching him lift the cup.

Don't feel bad. We'll be back with people who WANT to be here. Not ******s like Niedermayer or Scott Gomez.

Who I really feel bad for is Edmonton.

just when things cant get worse, he gets the smythe. blaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:cry::cry::cry::cry:

Safe to say Selanne retires?

Who cares? Pronger was the guy that put them over the top anyway. He hasn't been a Devil in three years time to move on guys. Oh and there were about five different guys that could have won the Conn Smyth for Anaheim. Giguere would have won it if he didn't steal it in 2003.

Don't feel bad. We'll be back with people who WANT to be here. Not ******s like Niedermayer or Scott Gomez.

I try to not hold signing with the Ducks against Neidermayer, but I agree. I'd rather have a team of players who wanted to play for us, not players who are with us because of a contract, or because we offered the most.

"You don't win this thing without great goaltending. I know this very well"

-Scott Niedermayer

Just a classy player giving props to Marty in his own way. The hate here is ridiculous. I understand it hurts to see him win because so many thought the Devils were the reason he won. But be happy for him, he didn't leave for money, he left for family and there's no better cause than that. I'd do it for my brother.

Oh gosh, and they're going to interview Scott and Rob after this commercial.

Seeing Rob get the Cup 2nd over Selanne pisses me off.

The two "A's" R. Neidermayer and Pronger were 2nd & 3rd ... Selanne rightly was the first player without a letter to raise the Cup.

wow pronger's wife was hot...

why would he cheat on her? haha

The two "A's" R. Neidermayer and Pronger were 2nd & 3rd ... Selanne rightly was the first player without a letter to raise the Cup.

Exactly. Kind of silly and ignorant to bash them for that.

he didn't leave for money, he left for family and there's no better cause than that.

Which is why I respect his leaving more than I'd respect a player who left for money. If you play, it shouldn't be for money, it should be because you love the sport. If you make a lot of money, then that's a bonus, but I really don't have respect for players who just sign with the higest bidder, no matter what the situation is. I don't like the fact that he signed just to make his mom and brother happy, but it's better than being greedy.

wow pronger's wife was hot...

why would he cheat on her? haha

I can see why she wanted out of Edmonton.

She doesn't look like a Western Canada kind of girl, does she?

I can see why she wanted out of Edmonton.

She doesn't look like a Western Canada kind of girl, does she?

She looks like a ********* **** kind of girl.

Just a classy player giving props to Marty in his own way. The hate here is ridiculous. I understand it hurts to see him win because so many thought the Devils were the reason he won. But be happy for him, he didn't leave for money, he left for family and there's no better cause than that. I'd do it for my brother.

I just don't get it either man, like we both have said he did it for family, not greed.

Would have rather seen Holik win it. At least he gave props for his time in New Jersey not laugh and thumb his nose for what we taught him.

its really not that big of a deal. I'm happy for him.

Good for you Scotty. All the haters on this thread should grow the hell up. This is how the world works, it's full of decietfullness and zero loyalty.

Would have rather seen Holik win it. At least he gave props for his time in New Jersey not laugh and thumb his nose for what we taught him.

Neids never did that. He never spoke bad about the Devils or his time here.

I can see why she wanted out of Edmonton.

She doesn't look like a Western Canada kind of girl, does she?

LOL, no, she sure doesn't.

Holik is a greedy SOB, but he paid homage. I don't know, I'm not really pissed he won it, I'm just pissed it makes Lou and us look bad.

This is the way I look at it, he helped us win three cups and we went to the Ducks to help his brother win his first, to me that's pretty noble.

Good for Scotty and his brother.

Exactly. I'm still a big Niedermeyer fan - the first real superstar that the Devils drafted (followed quickly by Brodeur, but still the first). The Devils first Calder Trophy winner, their first and only Norris Trophy winner. The guy will probably go into the Hall of Fame in a Devils sweater.

Good for him. Congratulations to the best defenseman in the NHL and the best defenseman that I have ever, personally, seen play.

You shouldn't be pissed that Niedermeyer can win a Cup without the Devils.

Holik is a greedy SOB, but he paid homage. I don't know, I'm not really pissed he won it, I'm just pissed it makes Lou and us look bad.

How so? It was his choice, it's not like we elected to have him leave and then said "Oh that was such a stupid move on our part". Lou wanted dearly for him to stay. I guess it's all about perspective.

I'm happy for Nieds.

I just cannot believe some people on this board...

I honestly did not believe he'd be able to get it done (get his brother's name on the Cup) and he did, and in short time. That is amazing. Now that mission is accomplished and he needs to get his ass back over here so WE can retire his number.

He'll always be missed and respected by me.

Watching him lift the Cup - gave me flashbacks to the absolute unstoppable team we had from 1999-2003... oh the nostalgia.

i obviously wish niedermayer was still a devil but he's an amazing hockey player and i have to respect that

Exactly. I'm still a big Niedermeyer fan - the first real superstar that the Devils drafted (followed quickly by Brodeur, but still the first). The Devils first Calder Trophy winner, their first and only Norris Trophy winner. The guy will probably go into the Hall of Fame in a Devils sweater.


There's a lot of things wrong here
1) Brodeur was drafted 20th overall in 1990 so he's the first drafted super star as Niedermayer was drafted 3rd overall in 1991.
2) Niedermayer never won the Calder trophy.
3) They don't retire people in the hall of fame wearing sweaters. That's baseball and it's hats.

Would have rather seen Holik win it. At least he gave props for his time in New Jersey not laugh and thumb his nose for what we taught him.

Guh? I wish Holik was forced to give his Cups and his Championship rings BACK!

Holik made a cash grab and his career from that point since has been exactly what it should be. Not to mention he's probably one of the least likeable people around. A world-class weirdo, and a guy who always makes sure to use the word "we" in an interview even when the question is directed at "him". When Peluso went pyscho and McKay had to stand up for Bobby, I wish Randy pulled a WWE and turned on Bobby. They both should have pummelled his ass.

He is easily my least favorite Devil. Ever. His last act as a Devil was real damn fitting too. Stupid penalty that sunk them in Game 5 against the 'Canes when they had *all* the momentum.

Good at what he does, but a gigantic ass.

Niedermayer did nothing except decide to play with his brother after playing for the Devils for many a year. Maybe he wanted to see what the grass on the other side of the fence was. Worked out pretty well for him.

Nieder contributed to 3 cups in red, black, and white, which means as fan's he helped give us many great memories, that I for one will never forget. That said, I couldn't ask for anything more from him. The bottom line is he didn't leave us for money, as Lou offered more. He left to help deliver a Stanley Cup to his brother. If he had left to do so, before his job in Jersey was done it's one thing. But after 3 cups, he did more than enough. Congrats to Nieds.

There's a lot of things wrong here
1) Brodeur was drafted 20th overall in 1990 so he's the first drafted super star as Niedermayer was drafted 3rd overall in 1991.
2) Niedermayer never won the Calder trophy.
3) They don't retire people in the hall of fame wearing sweaters. That's baseball and it's hats.

1) Niedermeyer was on the NHL team first - which is what I meant. He was the first superstar (that we drafted - didn't "aquire") to play for the Devils.

2) I realized after I posted that he didn't win the Calder - he was a finalist (and lost to - wait for it - Teemu Sellane), but he was the Devil's first finalist for any major award, and was named to the Rookie Team.

3) Again, I meant that he'll be known as a Devil when his career is done, not as a Duck.

Nieder contributed to 3 cups in red, black, and white, which means as fan's he helped give us many great memories, that I for one will never forget. That said, I couldn't ask for anything more from him. The bottom line is he didn't leave us for money, as Lou offered more. He left to help deliver a Stanley Cup to his brother. If he had left to do so, before his job in Jersey was done it's one thing. But after 3 cups, he did more than enough. Congrats to Nieds.

:handclap: I'm glad the class is starting to arrive in this thread.

Exactly. I'm still a big Niedermeyer fan - the first real superstar that the Devils drafted (followed quickly by Brodeur, but still the first). The Devils first Calder Trophy winner, their first and only Norris Trophy winner. The guy will probably go into the Hall of Fame in a Devils sweater.

Good for him. Congratulations to the best defenseman in the NHL and the best defenseman that I have ever, personally, seen play.

You shouldn't be pissed that Niedermeyer can win a Cup without the Devils.

Because many here believe he should've stayed here and brought his brother over, not the other way around.

I'm just happy the Stanley Cup clinching game was "won" with the Chris Phillips own goal. Poor, poor Ottawa!

I don't begrudge the Neidermayers or the Ducks. Winning the Stanley Cup is a very difficult task and the fact they have done it against a very good Ottawa Senators team is proof that they are deserving of their prize. OK, so it sucks that Scott went to Anaheim; as mentioned earlier, Scott was a big reason this team has two more than Anaheim. Can we get over it already?

Exactly. I'm still a big Niedermeyer fan - the first real superstar that the Devils drafted (followed quickly by Brodeur, but still the first). The Devils first Calder Trophy winner, their first and only Norris Trophy winner. The guy will probably go into the Hall of Fame in a Devils sweater.

Good for him. Congratulations to the best defenseman in the NHL and the best defenseman that I have ever, personally, seen play.
You shouldn't be pissed that Niedermeyer can win a Cup without the Devils.



You mean you never saw Scott Stevens play??:)


i am bitter about this whole thing, it hurts to see scott lift the cup not wearing a devils jersey, but then again it pains me to see any team besides the devils win the cup. I guess congrats are in order for scott and the ducks, they really did deserve to win the cup, they completely dominated the sens and pretty much every other team they ran into this post season.....LETS GO 07/08 DEVILS!!!


man what am i gunna do without hockey:shakehead

Done and done.

Because many here believe he should've stayed here and brought his brother over, not the other way around.

Well he didn't and everyone needs to get over it.

people saying that those who hate him are "classless" need to really relax. we have legitimate reasons to hate him and i dont see the problem. calling other people out on it is even more childish than hating him to begin with, IMO....

The reason I hate Niedermayer is simple. He let lou out to dry for 5 days in Aug of 2005 instead of just stating the obvious that he didn't want to be here. Meanwhile we lost out on other FA and signed Malakhov.


At least Gomez tells everyone who will listen he doesnt want to be here and we wont even offer him a contract or waste our time. have more respect for him.

The reason i hate seeing Scott win it is not because he left but the way he left. you can say blah blah he went to get his brother a cup ******** but i'm prettys ure in my mind that he had his mind already made up prior to free agency. And his wait screwed us over big time sure we recovered but look at the position he put us in. If he made the decision in the beginning i wouldh ave no problem with Scott but because he waited i just hate him. I think he made up his decision to go play with his brother but waited it out. We are god damn lucky that Rafalski actually has some heart for this organization otherwise he would have left and signed else where and we would have been in even more trouble besides just the 3 M's. That's my feeling and why i hate him now. The only thing that will piss me off more is when he goes to the HOF is if he wears a Ducks uni.

edit* if he would have just left in the beginning without waiting i would have no hard feeling for him but his decision was made up and he waited too long which screwed us over.

The reason i hate seeing Scott win it is not because he left but the way he left. you can say blah blah he went to get his brother a cup ******** but i'm prettys ure in my mind that he had his mind already made up prior to free agency. And his wait screwed us over big time sure we recovered but look at the position he put us in. If he made the decision in the beginning i wouldh ave no problem with Scott but because he waited i just hate him. I think he made up his decision to go play with his brother but waited it out. We are god damn lucky that Rafalski actually has some heart for this organization otherwise he would have left and signed else where and we would have been in even more trouble besides just the 3 M's. That's my feeling and why i hate him now. The only thing that will piss me off more is when he goes to the HOF is if he wears a Ducks uni.

edit* if he would have just left in the beginning without waiting i would have no hard feeling for him but his decision was made up and he waited too long which screwed us over.

Makes you appreicate real Devils like Madden, Brodeur, and Daneyko.

And even Elias.

Makes you appreicate real Devils like Madden, Brodeur, and Daneyko.

And even Elias.


SARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason I hate Niedermayer is simple. He let lou out to dry for 5 days in Aug of 2005 instead of just stating the obvious that he didn't want to be here. Meanwhile we lost out on other FA and signed Malakhov.


At least Gomez tells everyone who will listen he doesnt want to be here and we wont even offer him a contract or waste our time. have more respect for him.

That's not his fault. That's his infallible former GM's fault. I never understood that.
It's as if he stole Lou's pen, laptop, fax machine and phone and wouldn't give it back
until he made up his mind, but he had already made up his mind and was just ****ing with him. It takes two.

You want something to be bitter about, be bitter about the stupid pointless lockout that turned into a dick-waving contest, over what? A $50 million+ salary cap? Busted out franchies in Alberta that are making money hand over fist now? Protecting salaries for the top 1% of NHL players, who usually don't bring what it takes to the table and are dogs who don't play a factor in who wins, unless it's in a negative way?

That's what took the year away where they could have negotiated, where they could have gotten his brother, if you're stuck on that, where they could have moved him at the deadline for a whole load of stuff from someone that needs him. Then again, that goes against our GM's instinct, so we probably would have lost him for nothing anyway. Just like we'll lose Gomez for nothing when we could have easily sold him at the deadline.

Makes you appreicate real Devils like Madden, Brodeur, and Daneyko.

And even Elias.

So what do you think about Stevens signing an offer sheet at first opportunity. Man, you must hate him.

Take the Devils-colored glasses off or you're going to get really hurt. Because now everyone's going to go UFA and you're going to lose players. There's no more "indentured servant" RFA's until 31 anymore. That's where you got the loyalty from. Most of them got traded before they were 31 anyway.

I mean, Mr. Devil Madden, I didn't see him taking his fair market RFA value when Lou botched up his status, right?

That's not his fault. That's his infallible former GM's fault. I never understood that.
It's as if he stole Lou's pen, laptop, fax machine and phone and wouldn't give it back
until he made up his mind, but he had already made up his mind and was just ****ing with him. It takes two.

You want something to be bitter about, be bitter about the stupid pointless lockout that turned into a dick-waving contest, over what? A $50 million+ salary cap? Busted out franchies in Alberta that are making money hand over fist now? Protecting salaries for the top 1% of NHL players, who usually don't bring what it takes to the table and are dogs who don't play a factor in who wins, unless it's in a negative way?

That's what took the year away where they could have negotiated, where they could have gotten his brother, if you're stuck on that, where they could have moved him at the deadline for a whole load of stuff from someone that needs him. Then again, that goes against our GM's instinct, so we probably would have lost him for nothing anyway. Just like we'll lose Gomez for nothing when we could have easily sold him at the deadline.



1) LOU OFFERED NIEDS THE MAX FROM THE START. how is that lou's fault that he left?

2) trade gomez at the deadline? are you serious? this was a team that was a serious cup contender, as it is nearly every year. you want them to trade their #1 center just b ecause theyd get nothing back for him?

who cares, neids screwed the devs and went elsewhere, which he knew he was going to do. im not sad to see him raise the cup, i was dissapointed to see him win the conn smythe, seemed an odd choice.

So what do you think about Stevens signing an offer sheet at first opportunity. Man, you must hate him.

Take the Devils-colored glasses off or you're going to get really hurt. Because now everyone's going to go UFA and you're going to lose players. There's no more "indentured servant" RFA's until 31 anymore. That's where you got the loyalty from. Most of them got traded before they were 31 anyway.

I mean, Mr. Devil Madden, I didn't see him taking his fair market RFA value when Lou botched up his status, right?

Please don't muddle the hysteria here with facts. ;)

I think I've said ad nasuem on these boards that its really childish to pretend you even had a clue what was going through Scott Niedermayer's mind when making the biggest decision of his career. Nobody knows if his mind was made up, you want to be upset that he left fine but stop with the BS accusations that he knew all along and screwed the Devils. We all know how sharp Lou is, do you think if Lou really felt Nieder wasn't staying he would have waited it out? I'm sure Lou felt he had a good chance to get him back the whole time.

That said, as happy as I was for Scott and I'm glad he got the Conn Smythe he deserved in 2003, after he handed the Cup to his brother and the moment was over, I did yell, ok mission accomplished, come back to NJ now.

1) LOU OFFERED NIEDS THE MAX FROM THE START. how is that lou's fault that he left?

2) trade gomez at the deadline? are you serious? this was a team that was a serious cup contender, as it is nearly every year. you want them to trade their #1 center just b ecause theyd get nothing back for him?

Exactly, and when Lou offered that and it wasn't immedaitely accepted then that told Lou all he needed to know, especially since he offered the max prior to him reaching UFA status when Lou was the only GM who could negotiate with him.

Once he offered the max and Scott said he still was going to test the market it was over and Lou should've moved on but he realized just how valuable Nieds was and wanted to try and CHANGE his mind to come back and resign with the Devils so can everybody stop acting like Lou was being strung along and was shocked when he went elsewhere because Lou knew prior to July 1st he was probrably gone but was just trying to somehow convince Nieds to change his mind.

Which is why I respect his leaving more than I'd respect a player who left for money. If you play, it shouldn't be for money, it should be because you love the sport. If you make a lot of money, then that's a bonus, but I really don't have respect for players who just sign with the higest bidder, no matter what the situation is. I don't like the fact that he signed just to make his mom and brother happy, but it's better than being greedy.

Exactly! thats the way I feel too. I think Scott deserved this cup. He showed he's good no matter where he plays and I think he will someday be back with the devils.

Exactly! thats the way I feel too. I think Scott deserved this cup. He showed he's good no matter where he plays and I think he will someday be back with the devils.

3 more years... and then what will he be? Old, overpaid...

If you go to TSN and watch the interviews, rob eludes to what scott leaving the devils in brother act
also if you watch the 1 on 1 with the neidermayers scott talkes about learning from Scott Stevens.

During alot of Scott or Rob's interviews they give mention to the Devils.

While some of us may not agree with him leaving the Devils, we cant deny his on ice talents and abilities. Scott Niedermayer is a lock for the Hall of fame.

So what do you think about Stevens signing an offer sheet at first opportunity. Man, you must hate him.

Yeah, I would love to hear all the anti-Neidermayer crowd take on this one, great point.

If you go to TSN and watch the interviews, rob eludes to what scott leaving the devils in brother act
also if you watch the 1 on 1 with the neidermayers scott talkes about learning from Scott Stevens.

During alot of Scott or Rob's interviews they give mention to the Devils.

Scott has always been very respectful of the Devils in every interview I have ever heard or read. He said the hardest thing he ever had to do was call Lou and tell him his decision to sign in Anaheim and I, for one, believe him.

Pretty impressive...

Win baby win, that's all Niedermayer has ever known. Aside from his three previous Cup rings in New Jersey, the 33-year-old native of Cranbrook, B.C., had done it all: world junior gold, Memorial Cup title, men's world championship gold, Olympic gold and World Cup of Hockey title - the only player in hockey history to have won all six titles.

3 more years... and then what will he be? Old, overpaid...


I don't care. even if we get a shadow of his former self playing on the 3rd defensive line, it will still feel good to have him retire as a devil.

i still have all the respect for niedermayer, i think he belongs to play with his brother and i'm very happy for him. i can still cherish the good memories of him with the devils.

Once he offered the max and Scott said he still was going to test the market it was over and Lou should've moved on but he realized just how valuable Nieds was and wanted to try and CHANGE his mind to come back and resign with the Devils so can everybody stop acting like Lou was being strung along and was shocked when he went elsewhere because Lou knew prior to July 1st he was probrably gone but was just trying to somehow convince Nieds to change his mind.

:teach:

He said the hardest thing he ever had to do was call Lou and tell him his decision to sign in Anaheim and I, for one, believe him.

I also believe him. Can't wait till he comes home next year even if it is in the visiting uni. I'll try and get tix for that game.

I also believe him. Can't wait till he comes home next year even if it is in the visiting uni. I'll try and get tix for that game.

I am so there for that one too.

This is the way I look at it, he helped us win three cups and we went to the Ducks to help his brother win his first, to me that's pretty noble.

Good for Scotty and his brother.

I with you Lou. I was happy to see a former great Devil lead his team to the cup.

Lou should retire his jersey when he retires and I hope and think that Nieds goes into the Hall of Fame as a Devil.

If they where going to retire his jersey they wouldn't have given away his number already.

Exactly, and when Lou offered that and it wasn't immedaitely accepted then that told Lou all he needed to know, especially since he offered the max prior to him reaching UFA status when Lou was the only GM who could negotiate with him.

Once he offered the max and Scott said he still was going to test the market it was over and Lou should've moved on but he realized just how valuable Nieds was and wanted to try and CHANGE his mind to come back and resign with the Devils so can everybody stop acting like Lou was being strung along and was shocked when he went elsewhere because Lou knew prior to July 1st he was probrably gone but was just trying to somehow convince Nieds to change his mind.

No matter what, he was born and bread a Devil and no one can take that away from the our organization. And I love how every Ranger fan knows what was in the mind of Lou and our UFS's, going back to Holik, Nieds and now Gomez. :shakehead

If they where going to retire his jersey they wouldn't have given away his number already.

He's still playing. They can always retire is number when he hangs them up.

LOL, no, she sure doesn't.

AND HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU GUYS KNOW?

AND HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU GUYS KNOW?

She looked like she was all dressed up for a B movie roll call.

Bottom line Scotty is an absolute winner. He's got an amazing resume and I know he'll retire a Devil.

1) LOU OFFERED NIEDS THE MAX FROM THE START. how is that lou's fault that he left?

2) trade gomez at the deadline? are you serious? this was a team that was a serious cup contender, as it is nearly every year. you want them to trade their #1 center just b ecause theyd get nothing back for him?

You have to rebuild sometime. Can't keep losing everyone for nothing. I also
question whether any team that was relying on our D could be considered a
serious cup contender.

It's not Lou's fault that he left. But it's not Nieds fault that we ended up with
garbage because Lou waited him out. That's Lou's fault.

It's not Lou's fault that he left. But it's not Nieds fault that we ended up with
garbage because Lou waited him out. That's Lou's fault.

Exactly, I don't think Nieder called Lou and said "Hey Lou, sign Malakhov and McGillis they'll be amazing for you, I promise."

rebuild?! dfkgjdfhgdf GOMEZ IS 27! you are making no sense dude...


and who exaclty did you want lou to sign once Nieds told him he wasnt coming back? there was nobody left, which is what led to the panic signings of the M's

You have to rebuild sometime. Can't keep losing everyone for nothing. I also
question whether any team that was relying on our D could be considered a
serious cup contender.

It's not Lou's fault that he left. But it's not Nieds fault that we ended up with
garbage because Lou waited him out. That's Lou's fault.

When is the last time a team that won their Division rebuilt?

The Devils only care about winning.

Lou could have given Niedermayer an ultimatum for the betterment of the team by deciding by a certain date what he was going to do but he also understood the toughness of the decision Scott has to make. This I agree with but Lou had to act on Crisis Management after doing everything he could to keep Scott Niedermayer (offering Max Salary) and when he looked at the situation he signed two players he felt were the best available. The salaries were just truly absurd. I give Lou a pass because after all of it we won the Atlantic for 2 consecutive seasons and swept the Rangers only to lose to the eventual Cup champs last season and a team that was overdue to get to the Finals at minimum this year and were clearly better. This is after losing Stevens, Niedermayer and adjusting to the New rules of the NHL while managing a tight Cap limit.



I have absolutely ZERO problems with Scott Niedermayer and his decision. It was a tough decision to make and it is selfish for anyone to think otherwise. It is almost not even an opinion that anyone has the right to make to say he should not have left the Devils hanging for as long as he did. He had to choose between an organization that drafted him and he became the player he is today with winning 3 Cups, and taking less money and flying across the country with the incentive of playing with his brother and close to immediate family. I am very admirable of him and will stat a NIED-ER-MAYER chant even if I am the only one the next time he is in NJ.

Congrats Scotty on Cup #4.

I also am convinced without any shadow of a doubt that the ONLY other team he would play for other then Anaheim would be NJ. And do not be surprised once his contract is up with Anaheim and Rob is long retired and Scott is 37 if he signs a 1 or 2 year deal to retire with NJ.


the only anger I have today is that it is an absolute embarrasment to the integrity of Hockey that a team named the Ducks won the Cup.

The reason I hate Niedermayer is simple. He let lou out to dry for 5 days in Aug of 2005 instead of just stating the obvious that he didn't want to be here. Meanwhile we lost out on other FA and signed Malakhov.


At least Gomez tells everyone who will listen he doesnt want to be here and we wont even offer him a contract or waste our time. have more respect for him.

If he did not want to be here he would have told Lou sooner. If a guy is classy enough to sign for less money considering family first while turning down the max salary he could possibly make, then he is classy enough to not leave the Devils out to dry.

His intentions were not to burn NJ. He had a tough decision to make.

I would think there was something wrong with him if he RE-signed in NJ right away and if he signed with Anaheim right away without weighing his options.

I really don't know what to think of this. It's bittersweet. On one hand, I have nothing against him personally. He is arguably the best defeseman of our generation. He soldified this team when we only had three true stars (I love Dano, but you really can't call him a 'star'). I don't blame him for helping his brother out.

On the other hand, it's still painful to see him in another jersey. I can't believe that only 4 years ago, he was hoisting that cup for us. Especially knowing that the only thing we needed was a great puckmoving defenseman.

I guess I'm happy for him, but I'm sad for myself.

I really don't know what to think of this. It's bittersweet. On one hand, I have nothing against him personally. He is arguably the best defeseman of our generation. He soldified this team when we only had three true stars (I love Dano, but you really can't call him a 'star'). I don't blame him for helping his brother out.

On the other hand, it's still painful to see him in another jersey. I can't believe that only 4 years ago, he was hoisting that cup for us. Especially knowing that the only thing we needed was a great puckmoving defenseman.

I guess I'm happy for him, but I'm sad for myself.


We needed a little more than a puck moving defenseman. We needed size up front and a bigger shot from the back.

It's like watching your ex-girlfriend date another guy.

You remember the good times, and in a way they still can make you smile. But the minute you see her again and she's happy, it just makes you miserable. In an alternate universe, Scotty would be our captain, guiding us thru the playoffs, but it is not to be.

Im gonna go take another shower, i feel dirty.

rebuild?! dfkgjdfhgdf GOMEZ IS 27! you are making no sense dude...


and who exaclty did you want lou to sign once Nieds told him he wasnt coming back? there was nobody left, which is what led to the panic signings of the M's

Gomez might be 27, but probably 75% (according to the "source" here, it's 100%) likely will not be 27 for the Devils next year.

There comes a time where you have to move someone you're not going to keep. Gomez would have been a halfway decent player to move. What I don't get here, is
almost everyone on the boards is down on Gomez. So what would be the big deal if he left in February instead of July?

We got jobbed on Nieds. But it wasn't Nieds fault. It really wasn't Lou's fault, either. It was the lockout which left us with no value for a very valueable piece.

I know I botch context alot, but you have a damn hard time reading for it.

What I said was, if Lou could be blamed for anything, it would be that he could be blamed for waiting out on what was a pipe-dream at the time. If you offer the guy
everything that can be offered, and he still wants to test the market...

Exactly, I don't think Nieder called Lou and said "Hey Lou, sign Malakhov and McGillis they'll be amazing for you, I promise."

He probably did say that, the dirty traitor. :sarcasm:

I'm so glad that ***** Alfredson didn't get to touch that Cup!

Good job, Scotty!! :handclap:

Gomez might be 27, but probably 75% (according to the "source" here, it's 100%) likely will not be 27 for the Devils next year.

There comes a time where you have to move someone you're not going to keep. Gomez would have been a halfway decent player to move. What I don't get here, is
almost everyone on the boards is down on Gomez. So what would be the big deal if he left in February instead of July?

We got jobbed on Nieds. But it wasn't Nieds fault. It really wasn't Lou's fault, either. It was the lockout which left us with no value for a very valueable piece.

I know I botch context alot, but you have a damn hard time reading for it.

What I said was, if Lou could be blamed for anything, it would be that he could be blamed for waiting out on what was a pipe-dream at the time. If you offer the guy
everything that can be offered, and he still wants to test the market...






see, theres this thing called the Stanley Cup, and the goal of hockey is to WIN that trophy. and trading your #1 center away during a season in which you place 2nd in your conference is NOT going to help you win said trophy.

How would some of you react if Niedermayer did not help you guys win cups???

Hollllllllyyyyyyyyyy:biglaugh:

I don't remember him leaving on bad terms (unlike Keenan/Luongo fiasco). Still... I do not hold as much hate as this thread:amazed:

see, theres this thing called the Stanley Cup, and the goal of hockey is to WIN that trophy. and trading your #1 center away during a season in which you place 2nd in your conference is NOT going to help you win said trophy.

Give me a break. 95% of the people here would have gone into spontaneous orgasm if Gomez got traded. I can't wait to see the reaction when he walks. Better have yours right.

But, you still can't read between the lines worth ****. This isn't about Gomez, it's about Nieds. All I said was that Gomez was a good candidate to be moved at the deadline. Would it have had the best consequences for this playoff? Depends what
we got. Would if have had the best consequences for the future? Definately, if he's going to walk.

And, BTW, depending on Brad Lukowich is not going to help you win said trophy either. They were going to be the bug to someone's windshield down the line.

Give me a break. 95% of the people here would have gone into spontaneous orgasm if Gomez got traded. I can't wait to see the reaction when he walks. Better have yours right.

But, you still can't read between the lines worth ****. This isn't about Gomez, it's about Nieds. All I said was that Gomez was a good candidate to be moved at the deadline. Would it have had the best consequences for this playoff? Depends what
we got. Would if have had the best consequences for the future? Definately, if he's going to walk.

And, BTW, depending on Brad Lukowich is not going to help you win said trophy either. They were going to be the bug to someone's windshield down the line.

95% of people here wanted to give up on winning a cup in March?

We got jobbed on Nieds. But it wasn't Nieds fault. It really wasn't Lou's fault, either. It was the lockout which left us with no value for a very valueable piece.



So true. It's easy to forget that Neids still had a year left on his contract going into the lockout.

95% of people here wanted to give up on winning a cup in March?

They would have had to reconcile it with themselves.

I think over the Devils on-line universe, Gomez is the most disliked and dismissed Devil (of course, that has some stature, I don't think the Steve Kelly or Ken Klee fan club is bursting at the seams).

There would be a great many who would have been happy if he was out on his
ass back when Julien was coaching the team. Remember, it was him and Patty,
not Julien, that was botching up the offensive play. Right? Well, not really, but
that was a pretty popular sentiment. Now, he has a very good playoff, for him,
and suddenly he's an irreplaceable playoff god and we would have lost in the playoffs without him. (Oh, wait) BUT, still, the same people that feel that way want him out of town, wouldn't put out the cash, if they were Lou, and once he is gone, will
treat him far worse than Nieds. Zajac is a future star center, Parise can just move over there even though he's a better wing, and Patty plays like a center off the wing, whenever he defers to someone, anyway! :sarcasm:

So, yeah, basically, they have to reconcile their position.