WE "aren't playing too well"

190Octane
12-22-2003, 08:46 PM
I don't know what the hell the problem with this team is, but it needs to be fixed. This team shouldn't be 3 or 4 games below .500 right now. The piece of #&^$ no talent Kings are kicking our ass in the standings.

This is rediculous, I don't know how much more of this trash I can watch. At least before when we sucked it was expected.

soya_sauce_chicken
12-22-2003, 08:54 PM
well we lost...
there is still plenty of hockey left in the season...
all you gotta do is hope...

lux_interior
12-22-2003, 09:01 PM
That was pretty god-awful. We didn't deserve any points from that game.

We couldn't complete passes, couldn't attack the blue line with speed, couldn't get through the neutral zone with speed, couldn't finish, couldn't break out of our own zone.

Geezus, that was one of the worst games I've seen in a long time. Well, come to think of it, it's about as bad as any others this year. We just SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lyons71
12-22-2003, 09:06 PM
well we lost...
there is still plenty of hockey left in the season...
all you gotta do is hope...

It's over. This team can't skate worth a lick. No one hits or skates. And losing to SAN JOSE (a team lacking in talent) twice in a row thanks to a lack of effort shows how sucky the Ducks are.

Spankatola Jamnuts
12-22-2003, 09:08 PM
You guys sound like me.

I'm a freakin visionary I tell ya.

Ducksfan2035
12-22-2003, 09:16 PM
they better come out and play their bests against the panthers bc the last thing i need is to be sitting at the game watching the ducks get outplayed by a team they should beat..if we cant beat teams like SJ,Edm,Nashv then thats sad..makes me wonder if they'll even show up at the office depot center too..

Spankatola Jamnuts
12-22-2003, 09:19 PM
They haven't won on the road since Christ walked the earth. I wouldn't expect too much.

Ducksfan2035
12-22-2003, 09:22 PM
:shakehead !

lux_interior
12-22-2003, 09:23 PM
Just wait 'till next year. :mad:

Ducksfan2035
12-22-2003, 09:26 PM
its bad enough i only get to see them once a year and one thing i ask is a win out of it..

soya_sauce_chicken
12-22-2003, 09:27 PM
the ducks gave up in the 3rd period... san jose has been on a tear recently... we need some key losses as well now.. a-la kings, dallas, etc...

Ducksfan2035
12-22-2003, 09:29 PM
we need some key wins,thats what we need..how do u shut out the avs and stars but lose to sj :dunno:

lux_interior
12-22-2003, 09:31 PM
People were saying that these 4 games against the Sharks were a key to our season. Well, we went 1-3 in those 4 games. Bad sign.

Ducksfan2035
12-22-2003, 09:35 PM
you would think at least a split or something but 1-3??..i was thinking the ducks would win their home games and get at least one win in SJ then a lost or tie..

lux_interior
12-22-2003, 10:58 PM
The game in a nutshell was when Salei had the puck behind our own net. We spent about 15 seconds setting up to break out of our zone. Then Salei stepped out from behind the net, made a pass which didn't connect. The puck went the length of the ice for an icing call. Lovely. :shakehead

lux_interior
12-22-2003, 11:20 PM
You said it, not me.



Yeah, Palffy, Frolov, Cammalleri, Belanger, Klatt, Straka, Visnovsky, Miller, and Norstrom aren't talented. Damn I wish I had Fedorov, Sykora, and Prospal to score goals and lead MY team to the top of the division.

Yep, top of the worst division in the league. Talk to me when your team actually accomplishes something. You might start with being able to hang onto a 3 goal lead.

190Octane
12-23-2003, 12:16 AM
Don't even get me started. Your team is not nearly as talented as our team which is why you're doing backflips over blowing 3 goal leads and we're pissed that our team isn't 10 points ahead of your team at this point.

Dr_Gonz0
12-23-2003, 12:35 AM
Your team has one good line and a good two-way captain and that's it. There is a reason our team has been ahead of your team the whole season. We are just better than you guys. You guys were such a fluke in the playoffs last year that even your captain knew it and he jumped ship. We lead the all-time season series and once again this year we are going to beat you guys silly as you guys come up with excuses as to what happened and how lucky we got or how the ref screwed you guys over or something. We have more talent than you guys. Ask any unbiased fan and they will tell you the same thing.

Unbiased Oilers fan here. I think I would have to give the edge to LA, especially if Deadmarsh or Allison ever become part of the equation. In regards to futures, I think both teams have great top prospect depth, so that is a wash there. Just my $0.02.

Ender
12-23-2003, 07:57 AM
Very Biased Sharks Fan, The Ducks have a little talent, And the Kings have a little more. BUT the Sharks have the most. :teach:

MOOSE55
12-23-2003, 08:31 AM
I don't know what the hell the problem with this team is, but it needs to be fixed. This team shouldn't be 3 or 4 games below .500 right now. The piece of #&^$ no talent Kings are kicking our ass in the standings.

This is rediculous, I don't know how much more of this trash I can watch. At least before when we sucked it was expected.
Might have something to do with the fact that before the fluke 2nd half rally last season, the Ducks never had a winning team. And now that the team is resembling the team of old instead of the team of last years playoffs. Can you say the next Carolina??? :joker:

mmbt
12-23-2003, 08:42 AM
Wow, look at all the trolls come out. Surprising, considering the far worse meltdowns both LA and SJ have suffered in recent years.

Hockeyfan02
12-23-2003, 08:56 AM
Might have something to do with the fact that before the fluke 2nd half rally last season, the Ducks never had a winning team. And now that the team is resembling the team of old instead of the team of last years playoffs. Can you say the next Carolina??? :joker:

Actually the team made the playoffs in 97 and 99 so its safe to say they had a winning team before last years run. Last years run was awesome and it doesnt matter if it was a "fluke", it still doesnt take away from that run they made last year as a team.

As for the subject, were not plaing up to our stanards thats for sure. The Colorado game they played with a lot of intensity and they ended up winning. They showed flashes of that last night but ultimately lost. I'm still optimistic this team can make the playoffs. Were only a few points out of the playoffs despite how bad this team has underachieved. The offense needs to pick it up and score some goals because Gerber and Giguere have been covering most of our defensive mistakes to keep us in games we shouldnt be in. But the most important thing is that if they play with some intensity and some heart and actually look motivated they start to win. This team needs to get the lunch pales and start outworking teams. Theyre not going to win games by just talent like a Detroit. *sigh* Maybe the break and a Florida trip will do them some good.

Pwnasaurus
12-23-2003, 09:03 AM
Might have something to do with the fact that before the fluke 2nd half rally last season, the Ducks never had a winning team. And now that the team is resembling the team of old instead of the team of last years playoffs. Can you say the next Carolina??? :joker:

I would just like to point out my favorite piece of trivia:

No team with a European captain has ever won the cup...
Canadians just love when we mention that fact.

Ender
12-23-2003, 05:43 PM
Wow, look at all the trolls come out.

Trolls??? I resent that. At least I don't tell you to jump off the Ducks bandwagon and root for SJ. Always stay loyal to your team, even when they were named after a TV hockey team. :D

Surprising, considering the far worse meltdowns both LA and SJ have suffered in recent years.

What do you call this with the Ducks? Mabey Babcock should see how SJ almost sunk and have started to right their ship so he can try to advoid the problem before its too late.

kingbrath
12-23-2003, 06:36 PM
Yep, top of the worst division in the league. Talk to me when your team actually accomplishes something. You might start with being able to hang onto a 3 goal lead.


whats that, I cant hear you down there at the bottom of the worst division in the league :lol:


ps. If your at the bottom of the worst division in the league....wouldnt that make you the worst team in the league???? I think so

Hockeyfan02
12-23-2003, 07:32 PM
Honestly, what does anyone have to brag about standings wise right now when its not even mid season yet. Vancouver fans were talking alot of junk last season too but then Colorado came back and caught them. In no way am I saying the Ducks are going to win the division but isnt a bit early to be bragging about the standings?

kingbrath
12-23-2003, 07:37 PM
Honestly, what does anyone have to brag about standings wise right now when its not even mid season yet. Vancouver fans were talking alot of junk last season too but then Colorado came back and caught them. In no way am I saying the Ducks are going to win the division but isnt a bit early to be bragging about the standings?

whos bragging???? :dunno:

Hockeyfan02
12-23-2003, 07:44 PM
whos bragging???? :dunno:

Well not really bragging but trying to make points/jokes off the standings. Yeah I know Duck fans made the comment about the weakest division and frankly, its a bad argument from either side because each team in the Pacific could go on a run and make the division look better. Each team has the potential, just some teams dont feel like fulfilling it. (Ducks)

McDonald19
12-23-2003, 10:20 PM
wow lots of trolls on here...I can't believe how people notice a losing streak and decide to go to that team's board as soon as possible to say something stupid.

Wow as soon as LA loses 3 or 4 in a row(which will happen at some point) I will make sure to go over to their board and tell them how much their team sucks and waste my time as well as their time just like all these trolls have.

Chistov23
12-24-2003, 09:43 AM
The way we came out against colorado I thought maybe we were about to turn the corner, especially after jiggy got his first shutout. It just takes one game to turn the season around as we all saw last year when we went in to beat colorado 5-3 (ironically same game Andy got injured). Coming into the season I thought the pacific would be one of the toughest with dallas, anaheim, and l.a fighting for top spot. Also I thought either pheonix or san jose would also make a run to. I think Anaheim and L.A will make the playoffs, maybe even at the 3 and 6th seeds :) . I think we all must remember we have yet to hit the half way point in the season.

mmbt
12-24-2003, 10:26 AM
The way we came out against colorado I thought maybe we were about to turn the corner, especially after jiggy got his first shutout. It just takes one game to turn the season around as we all saw last year when we went in to beat colorado 5-3 (ironically same game Andy got injured).


No, it takes more than one game to turn things around. It's sustained excellence that gets you confidence. Every team has lots of, "big wins," during a season, but most of the time they end up not amounting to much.

I think we all must remember we have yet to hit the half way point in the season.

But the halfway mark is coming up awful fast.

lux_interior
12-24-2003, 12:26 PM
ps. If your at the bottom of the worst division in the league....wouldnt that make you the worst team in the league???? I think so

No, because Edmonton, Chicago and Columbus are all worse. I guess I wouldn't say the Pacific is the worst conference. I think LA is the weakest of the division leaders in the West. There are a couple of second place teams (Colorado/Vancouver and St. Louis) who are stronger than the Kings. But, one must give the Kings props for leading the division.

kingbrath
12-25-2003, 03:45 PM
wow lots of trolls on here...I can't believe how people notice a losing streak and decide to go to that team's board as soon as possible to say something stupid.

Wow as soon as LA loses 3 or 4 in a row(which will happen at some point) I will make sure to go over to their board and tell them how much their team sucks and waste my time as well as their time just like all these trolls have.


Maybe if you notice the initial post in the thread you would realize that it was a Duck fan who started all this by sayig the Kings have no talent...so basically your the one wasting your time..by posting something so blatenly stupid

Ducksfan2035
12-25-2003, 04:10 PM
booo hoo get over it

Randall Graves*
12-25-2003, 10:30 PM
Yet King fans were doing it last year but using injuries as an excuse,give me a break you hypocrites.

Spankatola Jamnuts
12-26-2003, 02:28 AM
It's only an excuse when your team is playing poorly.

Otherwise, there's nothing to excuse.

McDonald19
12-26-2003, 02:46 AM
so basically your the one wasting your time..by posting something so blatenly stupid

hmm...but going to a board of a team you dislike isn't a waste of time?

stick to your Queens board.

Jerky Leclerc
12-26-2003, 07:04 AM
Lets keep the subject on topic people.

Jerky

kingbrath
12-26-2003, 01:15 PM
hmm...but going to a board of a team you dislike isn't a waste of time?

stick to your Queens board.


obviously it was not a waste of time since it got such a rise out of you....some Ducks fans are just way to oversensitive

Let me remind visitors that trolling is a violation against the rules of HF. This is a warning.

Jerky

McDonald19
12-28-2003, 02:55 AM
Horrible performance today by the Ducks. What a shame.

wow can we have such a great comment every time the Ducks lose? I'll be sure to send an equally stupid comment over to you after each King's loss.

Kevin Forbes
12-28-2003, 08:54 AM
you guys all are acting like children, what's the point?

SuperSam, this isn't your board and you're being a pain
if I were you, I'd take my cue to leave before your behaviour gets the best of you

Spankatola Jamnuts
12-28-2003, 12:07 PM
I think Jerky rather enjoys his presence, actually.

Hockeyfan02
12-28-2003, 12:33 PM
I think Jerky rather enjoys his presence, actually.

Maybe he thinks we need a village idiot around here. :dunno:

Kevin Forbes
12-28-2003, 01:52 PM
we already have enough of those :p

Hockeyfan02
12-28-2003, 02:36 PM
we already have enough of those :p

True, sorry Semenko for forgetting about you.

lux_interior
12-28-2003, 03:06 PM
Maybe he thinks we need a village idiot around here. :dunno:

I enjoy SuperSam much more since I've put him on my ignore list.

Mr_Hockeytown19
12-30-2003, 02:39 PM
I don't know what the hell the problem with this team is, but it needs to be fixed. This team shouldn't be 3 or 4 games below .500 right now. The piece of #&^$ no talent Kings are kicking our ass in the standings.

This is rediculous, I don't know how much more of this trash I can watch. At least before when we sucked it was expected.
la has alot of talent,and are better coached by a more experienced coach.play gerber more and you might win games.jiggy let last year go to his head,and *edited by MOD* lol.sergei has been a bust so far,datsyuk is taking sergeis role and shoving it in sergeis face.i'd love to see him play defense vs detroit this week.
:lol: poor sergei= :cry:

This post is inappropriate. Warning sent via PM

Jerky Leclerc

McDonald19
12-30-2003, 02:48 PM
I see someone is upset that Sergei left his team.

Mr_Hockeytown19
01-02-2004, 10:05 AM
Actually the team made the playoffs in 97 and 99 so its safe to say they had a winning team before last years run. Last years run was awesome and it doesnt matter if it was a "fluke", it still doesnt take away from that run they made last year as a team.

As for the subject, were not plaing up to our stanards thats for sure. The Colorado game they played with a lot of intensity and they ended up winning. They showed flashes of that last night but ultimately lost. I'm still optimistic this team can make the playoffs. Were only a few points out of the playoffs despite how bad this team has underachieved. The offense needs to pick it up and score some goals because Gerber and Giguere have been covering most of our defensive mistakes to keep us in games we shouldnt be in. But the most important thing is that if they play with some intensity and some heart and actually look motivated they start to win. This team needs to get the lunch pales and start outworking teams. Theyre not going to win games by just talent like a Detroit. *sigh* Maybe the break and a Florida trip will do them some good.
i don't think a one year run to the finals equates to standards held by detroit,colorado,vancouver,new jersey.anyone reviewing the ducks yearly finishes realizes ownership wasn't committed until word leaked they wanted to sell.only in the last 2 years have they been anything close to aggressive trying to draft guys who might become nhl players.it was basically shut down kariya and selanne and you beat the ducks.a team isn't built in a year or 2 but over a stretch of 6 or 7 yrs of quality drafts combined with trades.murray becoming gm was the best move ducks have made in their history.around detroit the feeling is sergei will opt out of anaheim when he is able if the ducks fail to show progress.sergei likes to win,and the youth for the ducks needs to show more to keep the possibility of him leaving happening.many people fail to realize sergeis leaving had less to do with being mistreated as some posters here may assume than him wanting to be yzerman like and lead a team to a cup.my feeling is based upon his own comments,that he thought anaheim was a youthful and upcoming team,he may have misjudged what elements got anaheim to the finals,and dismissing detroits abundance of quality draftees and prospects playing with quality all star established players it appears so far to be true.given detroits injury troubles,10 regulars out at one point,datsyuks emergence,and the nhls longest serving captains revival-one can only wonder what sergei might do once his option to leave anaheim occurs.yes their is some promise in anaheim for youth but clearly detroit,which hasn't drafted 1st round since 1998 has an eye for talent that is unrivaled by any other team.i have gotten a few private messages concerning my comments that i am "flaming" the ducks or being insulting.the fact remains i follow a team that did the same thing in the 70s and my comments would be and have been the same toward that franchise.instead of being overly sensitive to remarks toward a team that hasn't shown as much heart as it did in the 2nd half of last season,i would myself wonder if perhaps the ducks made some poor moves-thomas,oates,kariya all keys to that 2nd half drive.in return you essentially got sergei fedorov,and prospal.yes the others were replaced with prospects although talented don't have the grit and grind of vets.i don't care if you disagree with my assessments,the fact is the ducks got a hot goalie at the right time of the year,a hot streak like jiggy had can hide alot of a teams defects.

Jerky Leclerc
01-02-2004, 10:26 AM
I don't think anyone is comparing the Ducks to the top clubs in the NHL (ie Detroit, Colorado, New Jersey, etc). But ownership and Bryan Murray have made a positive change and its a start. Everyone can agree to that. Just two years ago, the Ducks were a horrible team, finish second to last in the Western Conference. There was no depth on the team and no depth in the system. What we have now is a team with expectations to win.

Fedorov can opt out of his contract after the second or third year. He said that his agent wanted that in the contract but he never asked for it. Fedorov leaving Detroit is no surprise. His father all but admitted two years ago that Fedorov wanted out of Detroit. The guy has three Stanley Cup rings. He has tons of money and a high profile. Fedorov came to Anaheim because he felt he was slighted when Detroit took the 50 mil dollar contract off the table. IMO, it is all about respect. Say what you want about that but its all about pride. Detroit wouldn't have done the same thing with Yzerman and Fedorov believes he should be treated the same. Fedorov's ego was hurt and he went to Anaheim because the Ducks had the next best offer. Whether Fedorov would ever go back to Detroit. I highly doubt it. He left because he was hurt. I doubt he would forgive and forget.

Mr_Hockeytown19
01-02-2004, 10:55 AM
I don't think anyone is comparing the Ducks to the top clubs in the NHL (ie Detroit, Colorado, New Jersey, etc). But ownership and Bryan Murray have made a positive change and its a start. Everyone can agree to that. Just two years ago, the Ducks were a horrible team, finish second to last in the Western Conference. There was no depth on the team and no depth in the system. What we have now is a team with expectations to win.

Fedorov can opt out of his contract after the second or third year. He said that his agent wanted that in the contract but he never asked for it. Fedorov leaving Detroit is no surprise. His father all but admitted two years ago that Fedorov wanted out of Detroit. The guy has three Stanley Cup rings. He has tons of money and a high profile. Fedorov came to Anaheim because he felt he was slighted when Detroit took the 50 mil dollar contract off the table. IMO, it is all about respect. Say what you want about that but its all about pride. Detroit wouldn't have done the same thing with Yzerman and Fedorov believes he should be treated the same. Fedorov's ego was hurt and he went to Anaheim because the Ducks had the next best offer. Whether Fedorov would ever go back to Detroit. I highly doubt it. He left because he was hurt. I doubt he would forgive and forget.
when the owner delivers the contract to the players home personally,and its rejected i doubt the person slighted or hurt should be fedorov.its pretty clear fedorov needs to mature given some personal choices he made.afterall fedorov was paid well on his last contract and was given a major leadership role.its fine you dispute what is pretty much known here,he denied his fathers words time and again-he showed himself to not be certain what he wanted many times in his career.i doubt ilitch would want him back given the way sergei bad mouthed detroit referring to it as similar to leaving the iron curtain back in 1989.sergei is a very confused to think he could be held in the same regard as yzerman.anyone who can compare realizes yzerman gives his all every game.every respected nhl gm will tell you sergei is very talented but he allows his moods to control his game.the game vs detroit was a great example,he allowed a crowd to affect his play-the detroit announcer mickey redmond felt sergei didn't allow himself to use that as motivation to play better.whereever sergei goes i'm sure he will play reasonably well,i just think he won't ever be as good as he showed in detroit,a reasonable person would see that lesser developed talent surrounding him would see it would cause a dropoff in his production.i am only saying i don't see him sticking if there is no further development in the youth,his agents from img will push for that.his marketability will diminish on a losing team,therefore lessening his agents take.taking less money doesn't reflect a players desire to win less.the wings have signed several nhl stars for far less than market in order to win.my statement isn't designed to say sergei will return to detroit,just that not winning may make him wish to leave.its amazing how my comments are taken to the most negative point.i try to speak from the comments and stories that are written by hockey writers who covered sergei for 13 yrs and their points of view.certainly sergei may stay and not care either way,but i fail to see him not wanting to win cups.in an original hockey city,its the goal every year-don't paint the wings as the bad guy,not any owner in the nhl would have made sergei that offer personally.sergei wasn't thinking of the nhl economics,got pissed off and took another offer.had the wings advanced to the wcf or nhl finals,he would have been given the offer again.the fact that he was the man last year and was still unhappy shows a lack of maturity.in detroit we really don't miss him that much,and we have despite not having 1st draft picks have drafted better than alot of the nhl.

lux_interior
01-02-2004, 11:34 AM
That post was like one long run on sentence. But I think I was able to make sense of it.

Basically you are saying that Fedorov acted selfishly and that he won't stick around Anaheim if the team loses. Fedorov is not comparable to Yzerman, and Detroit won't miss him because they are above the curve in drafting.

Well, for one it sounds like sour grapes because Fedorov left Detroit. A lot of Anaheim fans have been sour (including me) about Kariya leaving. But when I am really honest with myself I realize that the Ducks would have been better off with Kariya still on the Ducks. The same is true for the Red Wings. Having Fedorov would make them a much better team.

Not to say that they cannot offset the loss with some of their younger players stepping up. They can to a certain extent. But, losing a player of Fedorov's quality cannot be ignored.

Fedorov does take some games off, floats on the perimeter sometimes. But I would definitely say that, on the whole, he improves the Ducks team.

It's yet to be seen whether or not Fedorov will stay on the Ducks. Just as it is yet to be seen if the Ducks will win or lose with Fedorov. The error in your logic is that you assume the Ducks will not win on the ice this year, nor in the next few years. Nobody can say that with certitude. And I think it is presumptous to claim to know whether or not Fedorov will remain on the Ducks team. So basically I see two errors in your logic. One, you assume that the Ducks will not win in the near future. And two, you assume that Fedorov and his agents will decide that Sergei would be better off somewhere else.