WC: May 6 GDT - Russia vs. Switzerland

http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_07/output/WS/hydra.iihf.com/113/

Alexander Ovechkin does not belong to hockey :sarcasm:

A really ugly tackle from Ovechkin. He did not try to hit anything but Wirz's head with his shoulder. :shakehead

lol, game misconduct for Ovechkin...
41 penalty minutes in 4 games... the guy is an enforcer :)

That's the problem with Ovechkin. That is how he plays in NHL too. He is not disciplined.
I remember the game when he had a very dirty hit on Daniel Brier and was ejected from the game.

I hope Bykov kicks his star butt after this game.

BTW, where is everyone? Russian fans from north america are still in bed? :sarcasm:

lol... 3 seconds after swiss 5-mintes PP is over the 2:0

:handclap: Kovalchuk, baby!
What a beauty

That's the problem with Ovechkin. That is how he plays in NHL too. He is not disciplined.
I remember the game when he had a very dirty hit on Daniel Brier and was ejected from the game.

I hope Bykov kicks his star butt after this game.

Ah, cmon. The thing with Briere was an accident.. and the check against the swiss guy... i wanna see Kyle McLaren with one of his nasty hip checks... the IIHF would probably ban him for lifetime

That's the problem with Ovechkin. That is how he plays in NHL too. He is not disciplined.
I remember the game when he had a very dirty hit on Daniel Brier and was ejected from the game.

I hope Bykov kicks his star butt after this game.



Errr... Ovechkin was skating perpendicularly to the path of Wirz. He had little, if any, intention of hitting him. I hate how the penalty get called, and the extent of the penalty gets changed after the fact depending on the "condition" of the player who suffered the hit - this almost encourages simulation.

Ah, cmon. The thing with Briere was an accident.. and the check against the swiss guy... i wanna see Kyle McLaren with one of his nasty hip checks... the IIHF would probably ban him for lifetime

I don't think it was an accident with Brier. and that was just an example. I paid attention to Ovechkin and noticed he likes sneaky hits from the back.
I agree on IIHF rules though. Today's hit would be simply ignored if it was NHL game and all of the NHL tough guys would be banned for life not just McLaren. :biglaugh:

Haha, Kovalchuks face and gesture to the swiss defenceman "Hey, dude, wanna stress?"

I don't think it was an accident with Brier. and that was just an example. I paid attention to Ovechkin and noticed he likes sneaky hits from the back.
I agree on IIHF rules though. Today's hit would be simply ignored if it was NHL game and all of the NHL tough guys would be banned for life not just McLaren. :biglaugh:

Well, Ovi seems to like it from behind :sarcasm: Dont judge him!

Much better played 1st perioud for team Russia compared to the previous game and that was with 9 minutes of penalty time.

Errr... Ovechkin was skating perpendicularly to the path of Wirz. He had little, if any, intention of hitting him. I hate how the penalty get called, and the extent of the penalty gets changed after the fact depending on the "condition" of the player who suffered the hit - this almost encourages simulation.

well, i thought at first that it was a clean check. but the camera from behind the penalty box showed another truth. ovechkin's elbow went intentionally to the head of wirz and that's a game misconduct, no doubt about it.
but i think the ref did not see the elbow and that's why he decided to give a penalty that is depending on the condition of wirz.

That's a BS call. That was not a penalty, but because of the swiss players condition, the ref blew the whistle.

EDIT: Anyone got a picture of Ovechkin hitting the swiss with his elbow? It looked like he where hitting him with his shoulder, IMO.

Either way, I hope he isn't suspended for future games.

but i think the ref did not see the elbow and that's why he decided to give a penalty that is depending on the condition of wirz.

I personally did not see any replay angle that showed an elbow, but the referee did, in fact, tell the Russian bench that he did not see the incident.

omg, the swiss captain's name is Wichser... which means ****** on german.. poor guy

omg, the swiss captain's name is Wichser... which means ****** on german.. poor guy

Yeah, ive noticed. Wa*To much spare time*... ;)

I was about to say 2-nd period was boring, and it was until this moment.
Another great goal... :handclap:

Nice patience by Schastlivy.:handclap:

After scoring 3rd goal russians changed the name of this game from hockey to figure skating. Too much individual game buy their forwards skating around and trying to pass all 5 swiss players. :rant:

Great save from Hiller on Frolov during a Russian powerplay.


And goal from Streit on a Swiss powerplay. Although Malkin should not have been penalized alone.

oh boy the ref sucks big time :help:

oh boy the ref sucks big time :help:

Another softy by a Russian Goaly

:shakehead Referee sucks indeed

someone gave him glasses or something?

Where is the referee from?

And by the way superb game from russia :handclap:

it was not a softie , see the replay again Wilka !

ref's chech

And by the way superb game from russia :handclap:

not really... at times we show great offensive skills, however...
our PP sucks second game in a row.
Our goalie allowed a soft goal, our defence still sucks and if Swiss weren't sooooooooooooooo slow the score board would be different and not in favor of Russia.

Another softy by a Russian Goaly


Our goalie allowed a soft goal.


No... The goalie cannot stop it! Good shoot by Streit and Ruthemann make the very perfect screen on the russian goalie view. KOSHECHKIN cannot see where was the puck.

not really... at times we show great offensive skills, however...
our PP sucks second game in a row.
Our goalie allowed a soft goal, our defence still sucks and if Swiss weren't sooooooooooooooo slow the score board would be different and not in favor of Russia.


oh please if not that swiss goalie it would be 5:1 or more ........ our defence is ok today

not really... at times we show great offensive skills, however...
our PP sucks second game in a row.
Our goalie allowed a soft goal, our defence still sucks and if Swiss weren't sooooooooooooooo slow the score board would be different and not in favor of Russia.

:shakehead

Yes imo, Russians are playing well. No doubts about this.

oh please if not that swiss goalie it would be 5:1 or more ........ our defence is ok today

Swiss goalie is average at best. I am not diminishing the skills of our offensive guys. They are great when they aren't trying to do everything individually.
Swiss has had a lot of luck today not allowing more goals.
Our defence sucks admit it. Swiss had too many breakaway chances and the only reason it didn't turn into anything dangerous because they are the slowest team i ever.
3rd period in game with Finland showed that when opposing team starts playing fast hockey our defence breaks apart.
The only reason it is "OK" today because swiss are not skilled to play at this level.

The Russians are dangling like there was no tomorrow, it's like shinny out there. I'm not complaining though, the entertainment factor is pretty high. There was also some diving from both sides in the second period.

What's the score?

There we go... Finally a PP goal:handclap:
And a good team play
Score 4-1

Do i need to provide any more proof about our pityful defence?
:biglaugh:
4-2

Russia's playing awesome !!! Don't forget this is the team that beat canada 2-0( talking about swiss)

when? Olympics?

Onslought

Frolov has so much bad luck this game and he finally said "Screw you all" i am playing alone and he did. At the end score changed to 5-2 :handclap:

Great game

Great game
Yeah, against weak and lousy opponent... We shall see and watch their play against Sweden

Where is the referee from?

Czech Republic.

Although still not great.....the defense is looking A LOT better than it was early in the tourney.

Grebeshkov having an impressive game.

Finally when there's nothing at stake we are playing Soviet Hockey...That's what I like to see!!!

and another soft goal, Gonchar effed up majorly too

Zinovyev is not playing. Is he injured?

3 goals allowed against such a crappy team....3 goals against sweden, or Canada = LOSS

Zinovyev is not playing. Is he injured?

Play by play announcers guessing that he might be hurt, but they don't know, there wasn't any announcement.

it's kinda too late to ask Nabby to come too...:(

3 goals allowed against such a crappy team....3 goals against sweden, or Canada = LOSS

Yep...:cry:

14 shots against and 3 allowed goals... Koshechkin sucks :)

Why Gonchar and Markov are paired together...I don't know.:help:

Why Gonchar and Markov are paired together...I don't know.:help:

Simple logic - they are both from NHL... Same reason Malkin Frolov adn Kovy are together

Why Gonchar and Markov are paired together...I don't know.:help:

Too many offensive d-men: Kondrat'ev, Gonchar, Markov, Grebeshkov...Markov is good overall though

Only one competative game for Russia this tournamnet against Finns...Not so good, I think

Russian broadcasters r so horrible, boring and anoying!

Win is a win, we shell be ready for tomottow!!!

Tomorrow's game will be the litmus for team Russia.

I sure hope Sweden loses to Finland. They also will be more tired than us tomorrow. I hope Finns will show them a piece of their mind. I always pull for Finland when those two are playing. :)

this game was entertaining. russia played clever, showed some real good hockey at times and they seemed to have fun. swiss played better than expected, they did what they are able to do.

and i have not seen a picture of ovechkin's elbow yet. but i hope there will be some or even a youtube vid. and is has to be from behind the penalty box otherwise you won't see his elbow and it's looks like a shoulder to head thing. i don't think it'll be a suspension.

Ovechkin hit: http://media9.filewind.com/g.php?filepath=11024

and i have not seen a picture of ovechkin's elbow yet. but i hope there will be some or even a youtube vid. and is has to be from behind the penalty box otherwise you won't see his elbow and it's looks like a shoulder to head thing. i don't think it'll be a suspension.

http://www.yle.fi/urheilu/mediasali/mmjaakiekko/2007/paivanvideot/fi/id74652.html

There's a clip. And that's probably the best we are going to get. Really hard to say. Personally I think it's not an elbow. Anyway, the real problem is that he's coming out of the penalty box. Unfortunate incident.

Now the situation becomes does Ovechkin get 3 games or not?

if he does'nt...........................questions are going to be asked.

What a stupid Rtr Sport.. We won't see Canada - Czech and Sweden - Finland :pb:

Now the situation becomes does Ovechkin get 3 games or not?

if he does'nt...........................questions are going to be asked.

bla bla bla

Now the situation becomes does Ovechkin get 3 games or not?

if he does'nt...........................questions are going to be asked.

nah, i don't think so. IMO it was a 5+ penalty, but that's it. it should be an automatic suspension for one game if i'm right. so he'll sit against sweden and will be ready for the quarterfinals. the game tomorrow is not that important. russia looked dominant and i really liked what i see. they seem to have everything to win the cup.

I dunno, I don't think it was even suspension worthy.

http://www.yle.fi/urheilu/mediasali/mmjaakiekko/2007/paivanvideot/fi/id74652.html

There's a clip. And that's probably the best we are going to get. Really hard to say. Personally I think it's not an elbow. Anyway, the real problem is that he's coming out of the penalty box. Unfortunate incident.


It was not an elbow, but shoulder. The problem is that he hit the head directly without any other body contact, so it is very hard to call that an unfortunate incident. He could have made real tackle instead of this, but chose the way of a lazy player.

it should be an automatic suspension for one game if i'm right.

That's what I thought too, but it seems to be up to the directorate meeting tonight to decide. They gather each time there's a game misconduct. At least J. Ruutu was not suspended.

That's what I thought too, but it seems to be up to the directorate meeting tonight to decide. They gather each time there's a game misconduct. At least J. Ruutu was not suspended.

hmm, then they should decide that no suspension is needed.

did anyone know how wirz is doing? did he come back to play? didn't see him after this incident. to me he looked a bit confused and could have a small concussion.

It was not an elbow, but shoulder. The problem is that he hit the head directly without any other body contact, so it is very hard to call that an unfortunate incident. He could have made real tackle instead of this, but chose the way of a lazy player.

I'm sure that your opinion is valid. But since we have video clips about it, people can make up their own minds. I really don't think it's worth arguing. The bottom line is that the only thing that matters is what the directorate thinks.

Sorry for being so vague but what I meant by ´unfortunate incident´ is that we could have lived without it.

Ovechkin hit: http://media9.filewind.com/g.php?filepath=11024

thank u. 22 seconds in, I can see it's a shoulder, not an elbow. Clean hit, stupid refs.

thank u. 22 seconds in, I can see it's a shoulder, not an elbow. Clean hit, stupid refs.

Great. Thats what ive said all along.

Ridiculous, what else can you say?

thank u. 22 seconds in, I can see it's a shoulder, not an elbow. Clean hit, stupid refs.

Hits to the head are ALWAYS a penalty. Even if he does it with his butt.
It was a shoulder but clearly with the intent to check. No accident there.

Play by play announcers guessing that he might be hurt, but they don't know, there wasn't any announcement.

It is fairly common knowledge that he has been suffering from an old bicep injury. The commentators, completely oblivious to this, repeatedly wondered why Zinovjev was not taking any faceoffs during the course of the last two games.

I just watched the video in slow motion and pausing... It definitely wasn't the shoulder.
At the moment of contact Obi had a subtle move with his hand and i think he intentionally hit the Swiss player. I don't think he meant to hit his head or cause any injuries, he didn't see what he was hitting. But this episode is so much like several that Ovi had this past NHL season. I am repeating myself but he likes little dirty tricks like this one.

Definitely not the shoulder.

Similar to Weber's imho, a hit that personally I belive to be legal but with the hit to the head rules, apparently is not.

I can't see how he doesn't get at least 3 games like Weber. Oh wait... yes I can.

Cheap hit by Ovy and he deservedly got a match penalty. Shoulder or no shoulder, hits to the head are against the rules in basically all hockey but in NHL.

At this point I am not sure anymore if 3 games without AO will be a disaster or blessing :(

Pure headhunting...

thank u. 22 seconds in, I can see it's a shoulder, not an elbow. Clean hit, stupid refs.
Clean hit???? Maybe under NHL rules but under IIHF rules it is a clearly a penalty:
540 – Checking to the Head and Neck Area.
a) A player who directs a check or blow, with any part of his body, to the head and neck area of an opposing player or ”drives” or ”forces” the head of an opposing player into the protective glass on boards, shall be assessed at the discretion of the Referee a:
- Minor penalty + Automatic Misconduct penalty (2’+10’)
or
- Major penalty + Automatic Game Misconduct penalty (5’+GM)
or
- Match Penalty (MP)

b) A player who injures an opponent as result of checking to the Head and Neck Area
shall be assessed, a
- Match Penalty (MP)

Ovenchicken was lucky not to be assessed a match penalty as the player was injured (concussion).

Great. Thats what ive said all along.

Ridiculous, what else can you say?
What can you say?

Under IIHF rules it is a penalty as a hit to the head. This is not the NHL which allows head shots.

One game suspension for Ovie

No AO, and most importantly, no Zina for tomorrow. This sucks.

No AO, and most importantly, no Zina for tomorrow. This sucks.

Not for Sweden it doesn't. :)
Even still, you allways wan't to beat the best team possible. This probably means more icetime for Kovalchuk. :(

Just have reviewed all goals in our net.
Koshechkin has made no mistakes!!!!!
Maybe his 1'st goal but there was a swiss guy who closed the vision to him.

2'nd and 3'rd were annoying ricochet from the skates of our def's!

So Great respect to our goalie Koshechkin!

Clean hit???? Maybe under NHL rules but under IIHF rules it is a clearly a penalty:

Stupid IIHF rules, that's all I can say.


Ovenchicken was lucky not to be assessed a match penalty as the player was injured (concussion).

That swiss boy was lucky twice:
1. AO did not really hit him as hard as he usually hits (if u don't believe me ask gonchar)
2. It wasn't Scott Stevens.

No AO, and most importantly, no Zina for tomorrow. This sucks.

I would not say it sucks that much, Den, simply because I think tomorrow's game is meaningless for team Russia.

As i suspected........he did'nt get 3 games.

can't take away the golden boy in front of the hometown crowd eh?


God help us if that had been a Canadian player doing that.

Aside from all the 'Canada are goons' talk that would go on.................he'd GET 3 games.

different rules for different players and teams.

That's the IIHF for you!!!


Sorry,i meant the EIHF.

As i suspected........he did'nt get 3 games.

can't take away the golden boy in front of the hometown crowd eh?


God help us if that had been a Canadian player doing that.

Aside from all the 'Canada are goons' talk that would go on.................he'd GET 3 games.

different rules for different players and teams.

That's the IIHF for you!!!


Sorry,i meant the EIHF.


As I suspected... you still haven't seen the video of the hit.

Otherwise you wouldn't write this rubbish..

As i suspected........he did'nt get 3 games.

can't take away the golden boy in front of the hometown crowd eh?


God help us if that had been a Canadian player doing that.

Aside from all the 'Canada are goons' talk that would go on.................he'd GET 3 games.

different rules for different players and teams.

That's the IIHF for you!!!


Sorry,i meant the EIHF.
Boohoo, cry me a ****in river
Why don't you go back to your boring playoff hockey?

As I suspected... you still haven't seen the video of the hit.

Otherwise you wouldn't write this rubbish..

I saw it.

And now i realise why you write the rubbish you just wrote.

he plays on the team you cheer for.

but isn't that always how it goes?

No way was he going to get 3 games...............golden boy playing at home.

And he's not Canadian.

nice going EIHF!!

Boohoo, cry me a ****in river
Why don't you go back to your boring playoff hockey?

I'm not crying...........just want the standards on hits to the head called straight down the middle.

That's not a lot to ask from that federation.

enjoy your break!!.................it was an undeserved one.

:shakehead

Guys, why do u even bother arguing with a guy who can't tell the diff between human body prarts (shoulder/elbow)?:)

I saw it.

And now i realise why you write the rubbish you just wrote.

he plays on the team you cheer for.

but isn't that always how it goes?

No way was he going to get 3 games...............golden boy playing at home.

And he's not Canadian.

nice going EIHF!!

Yes, I cheer for Russia. Sorry, I haven't realised that you are an impartial observer. Now that I know it, I believe you.

Seriously, can't you see the difference? :shakehead But CCCP is right, it is not important.

Like i said,it's ALWAYS different when it's Russia.

I suppose malkin's business today is differnt too eh?

Imagine if these two guys were Canadian..................big field day for you guys>

wow....................bias personified.

no-one does it quite like you guys.

cyclops
Should I remind you of the bias toward Canada when a tournament is played on your home soil? I wouldn't know where to start honestly...

you don't have to remind me of anything.

I see it every day here!!

Just like i see your fans unwavering "way of seeing things" every day here.

it's always very interesting.

Like i said,it's ALWAYS different when it's Russia.

I suppose malkin's business today is differnt too eh?

Imagine if these two guys were Canadian..................big field day for you guys>

wow....................bias personified.

no-one does it quite like you guys.

What now, Malkin should be suspended? For what? Did he hit someone in the head like Weber did? Has any Russian did it this championship? If yes, please tell me whose elbow hit who. And provide a video, please.

And what about this allerged anti-Canadians bias from referees? Give us more examples, please. Maybe you are talking about Bobby Clark being suspended for slashing Kharlamov? Oh, wait...

The Canadian referee penalised Radulov for unbuckled helmet yesterday when Radulov was already skating to the bench. The same referee missed a boarding call when two Swedes threw Morozov against the board head first in the game before. Missed tripping of Kovalchuk in front of Swedes net, etc etc. Do you hear us going on about anti-Russian bias?

you don't have to remind me of anything.

I see it every day here!!

Just like i see your fans unwavering "way of seeing things" every day here.

it's always very interesting.

If you haven't noticed there's just as many Canadian yahoos posting garbage as anybody else - just read some of these threads.

Good job....you've hijacked another interesting thread and needlessly turned it into a Canadian/Russian flame fest.:clap::shakehead

What now, Malkin should be suspended? For what? Did he hit someone in the head like Weber did? Has any Russian did it this championship? If yes, please tell me whose elbow hit who. And provide a video, please.

And what about this allerged anti-Canadians bias from referees? Give us more examples, please. Maybe you are talking about Bobby Clark being suspended for slashing Kharlamov? Oh, wait...

The Canadian referee penalised Radulov for unbuckled helmet yesterday when Radulov was already skating to the bench. The same referee missed a boarding call when two Swedes threw Morozov against the board head first in the game before. Missed tripping of Kovalchuk in front of Swedes net, etc etc. Do you hear us going on about anti-Russian bias?

LOL.

I never said malkin should be suspended,i was pointing out he was playing with no class.

I said Ovechkin should have been suspended for 3 games.But of course he was'nt.

Bobby clarke?................what's something from pre-historic history have to do with the clear get out of jail free card your teams player got here? Is there any new material you guys can finally come up with 30 odd years later? Cmon!!!

Cleared up?

If you haven't noticed there's just as many Canadian yahoos posting garbage as anybody else - just read some of these threads.

Good job....you've hijacked another interesting thread and needlessly turned it into a Canadian/Russian flame fest.:clap::shakehead

I have'nt highjacked anything and you know it.....................the thread was dead until i simply commented on the fact Ovechkin got away with what Weber got nailed for.

Don't see why that bothers you,Unless the truth does.

and i think that's what it is.
Nothing wrong with saying Ovechkin was given leniency because of who he is and where the tournament is being played..........and nothing wrong with saying Russian fans can't admit to it.When Weber got suspended they were all in agreement he got what he deserved.

but now that the shoe should have been on the other foot....................excuses.

But like i said,this is expected from them.

That's not highjacking anything.

You still haven't told us why Ovi and Weber should have had the same length suspensions for different kind of hits...

You mean i have to explain it to you?

why?

what aspect of this deal eludes you?

I guess such aspects as blatently deliberate elbow into the head vs shoulder hit with a tucked elbow means nothing to you.

Anyways, this conversation is going nowhere.

As i suspected........he did'nt get 3 games.

can't take away the golden boy in front of the hometown crowd eh?


God help us if that had been a Canadian player doing that.

Aside from all the 'Canada are goons' talk that would go on.................he'd GET 3 games.

different rules for different players and teams.

That's the IIHF for you!!!


Sorry,i meant the EIHF.

Common Cyclops, there is a huge difference between the Weber hit and the Ovechkin hit. If you compare these two, the Weber hit was much more violent. Of course hits to the head are always suspension but you have to admit that deliberately elbowing players and what Ovy did were two different things.

Common Cyclops, there is a huge difference between the Weber hit and the Ovechkin hit. If you compare these two, the Weber hit was much more violent. Of course hits to the head are always suspension but you have to admit that deliberately elbowing players and what Ovy did were two different things.

I don't see how 2 hits to the head (and that's what both those two hits were0 can be seen as being distinct from one another.

I saw the hits and in both instances guys were left looking around wondering where they were.Actually.........hannula's hit on crosby last year was not as bad as Ovechkins and he got 3 games also!!

On what criteria is the IIHF basing this stuff?.

hey,i don't think either of them should have gotten 3 games,but Weber did....and Ovechkin did'nt.

and that does'nt make any sense considering the law had already been laid down in Webers case what head shots were going to get punished with.

if that makes sense to you,i guess we're done talking.

Why the benefit of the doubt for ovechkin? i saw his hit.............it was a head shot and the opponent got nailed and hurt bad......................same dealas Weber.

Weber got 3 games.....................so,the standard has been set right?

But it was'nt.

Hmmm.

I don't see how 2 hits to the head (and that's what both those two hits were0 can be seen as being distinct from one another.

I saw the hits and in both instances guys were left looking around wondering where they were.Actually.........hannula's hit on crosby last year was not as bad as Ovechkins and he got 3 games also!!

On what criteria is the IIHF basing this stuff?.

hey,i don't think either of them should have gotten 3 games,but Weber did....and Ovechkin did'nt.

and that does'nt make any sense considering the law had already been laid down in Webers case what head shots were going to get punished with.

if that makes sense to you,i guess we're done talking.

Why the benefit of the doubt for ovechkin? i saw his hit.............it was a head shot and the opponent got nailed and hurt bad......................same dealas Weber.

Weber got 3 games.....................so,the standard has been set right?

But it was'nt.

Hmmm.

Ovy didn't get the benefit of the doubt; his hit simply wasn't as vicious/reckless as Weber's.
Your argument seems to be "since they were both head shots, they deserve the same punishment"........well, I'm sorry it doesn't work that way. Intent and recklessness should be looked at. There IS a difference between a head shot with your elbow down as opposed to a WWE style flying elbow at full speed.

BTW, although not as vicious, Hannula's hit got 3 games because it was after the play was over.


But I guess if this furthers your anti-Russian agenda go ahead. I mean there must be a secret conspiracy against Canada by the IIHF, right? Yup.....right in line with aliens and bigfoot.

*** are yout alking about zine?.....aliens and bigfoot?.

This from one of the scores of guys who think there was a big conspiracy about CC 87.

give me a break!!

It does'nt work that way eh?...........tell me about it!!


Weber got 3 games and Ovechkin got 1.

I already know it does'nt "work that way"

what way does it work? A Canadian non -star not playing in front of a home crowd get's 3 and a superstar playing at home get's 1

For the same damn thing..............a head shot.

that's how it works.....................and the length of suspensions back ME up.........not YOU.


Degrees of viciousness.............riiiiight.


Give it up.

Degrees of viciousness.............riiiiight.


Give it up.

Why is Betruzzi get suspended for a season when other guys who hit from behind may not get a suspension at all? Because of the degrees of viciousness, intention, etc.. Don't tell us you can't comprehend it..

cyclops,
Dude, let...it...go, why can't you never let things go...

Why is Betruzzi get suspended for a season when other guys who hit from behind may not get a suspension at all? Because of the degrees of viciousness, intention, etc.. Don't tell us you can't comprehend it..

He comprehends this perfectly - it's just when forced to confront this fact his assertion falls apart.

Like you said, it's no different in the NHL. All checks from behind, cheap shots, etc. aren't penalized the same.....they're all influenced by degrees of viciousness, intention, etc.


.......but, but, but, they were both headshots.:tmi: :biglaugh:

Theres nothing to give up and no assertion that breaks down.

Turn the players and plays around and you're all here calling for Weber to be given 3 games.

We all know the drill.

and not a single one of you has faced up to that truth yet.

but i knew you could'nt.

Don't forget this the next time the roles are reversed.

It may even happen next year when the tourney's over here.

Theres nothing to give up and no assertion that breaks down.

Turn the players and plays around and you're all here calling for Weber to be given 3 games.

We all know the drill.

and not a single one of you has faced up to that truth yet.

but i knew you could'nt.

Don't forget this the next time the roles are reversed.

It may even happen next year when the tourney's over here.


blah, blah, blah

Are you gonna debate the actual technicalities of both hits?..........or are you just gonna continue spewing garbage generalizations and hypotheticals about other country's fans?

cyclops you're not stupid, please back up your assertion in an intelligent manner. Considering Weber's hit was much more reckless and vicious than Ovechkin's (obvious for all to see), why should his suspension be = or <Ovy's?

Weber hit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0e7bJhUXAw

AO hit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvg_3jwqGMo

Still on this?


I already have given my reasons........you just refuse to accept them,nothing more i can say.

Who cares anymore anyway?...........you're out.


I don't care anymore.

good luck in your game tommorow.....................i've got bigger fish to fry.

Gold medal game coming up for us.....................gonna be a tough one too!!

Love the Finn and Canadian teams over here this year.

Tons of heart/grit and talent.


should be a doozy.

Still on this?


I already have given my reasons........you just refuse to accept them,nothing more i can say.

Who cares anymore anyway?...........you're out.


I don't care anymore.

good luck in your game tommorow.....................i've got bigger fish to fry.

Gold medal game coming up for us.....................gonna be a tough one too!!

Love the Finn and Canadian teams over here this year.

Tons of heart/grit and talent.


should be a doozy.

hmmmm.....no answer, just as I predicted.;)

Either way, you guys have played a good tourney. Good luck with Finland.

lOL......as you wish.

Thanks for the wish of good luck.

This will be a tough game........................but either way it should be a real good if not great game.